tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post1055436665552628175..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Sunday Faith BlogZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger87125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-36004657720162838892013-04-29T20:29:27.833-07:002013-04-29T20:29:27.833-07:00Bob, I agree. We're to be good stewards and n...Bob, I agree. We're to be good stewards and not for heaven, for EARTH.<br />not sure what Ducky means by 'my theme'...he's known me for about 15 years and still doesn't know me.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26248205899647173662013-04-29T14:04:35.387-07:002013-04-29T14:04:35.387-07:00Ducky said, " I do believe that a religion fo...Ducky said, "<b> I do believe that a religion focused on the after life and not the here and now is a false guide.</b>"<br /><br />I agree in part. It gets tiresome to hear about the bye-and-bye if it is to the exclusion of our responsibilities in this life. Jesus didn't neglect this aspect, either. I don't agree that Christianity is all about going to heaven. We cannot get out of this life alive, so we might as well do for others as we can.<br /><br />Have a good week.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-8992622815380421192013-04-29T12:29:01.722-07:002013-04-29T12:29:01.722-07:00@Bob ---
Perhaps Ducky doesn't believe in a l...@Bob --- <br />Perhaps Ducky doesn't believe in a life after death. <br /><br />---<br />I don't particularly want to but I do believe that a religion focused on the after life and not the here and now is a false guide.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57733310818576471832013-04-29T12:27:20.393-07:002013-04-29T12:27:20.393-07:00Well, Waylon, you're correct that Hess was an ...Well, Waylon, you're correct that Hess was an original thinker who certainly believed that mans consciousness can shape history.<br /><br />Whether that is in opposition to z's theme I leave to you.<br />Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18937018809686237332013-04-29T07:37:17.965-07:002013-04-29T07:37:17.965-07:00this was terrific...thanks, All!
CI, if you like ...this was terrific...thanks, All!<br /><br />CI, if you like to discuss anything Roman, I wish you could sit in on the classes where I work; amazing information. That's just the history class.<br />Then there's the Latin class, where the kids also learn a ton.<br />Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67244365043947614672013-04-29T05:22:46.294-07:002013-04-29T05:22:46.294-07:00Bob: Well said!
ElBro: Well said!Bob: Well said!<br />ElBro: Well said!Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3095587927342681642013-04-29T04:33:03.886-07:002013-04-29T04:33:03.886-07:00I enjoyed it too CI. I always learn somethingI enjoyed it too CI. I always learn somethingelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83467672564677193292013-04-28T22:04:25.262-07:002013-04-28T22:04:25.262-07:00EB - I had to duck out to go work out, but I appr...EB - I had to duck out to go work out, but I appreciate the dialogue. It was thought provoking....good points made......and I'm definitely a sucker for any discussion involving Rome.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-1863873496781582922013-04-28T21:41:46.851-07:002013-04-28T21:41:46.851-07:00Good points Bob, science cannot answer all our que...Good points Bob, science cannot answer all our questions ...where am I going, whats the meaning if life etcelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35500549613597649242013-04-28T20:34:28.482-07:002013-04-28T20:34:28.482-07:00Bob, your excellent input is greatly appreciated a...Bob, your excellent input is greatly appreciated and the fact that you look forward to my Sunday posts means a LOT to me, thank you.<br /><br />Luther said "Only Scripture, Only Grace, Only Faith" He was so right..if ONLY all would hear :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-60378725573298846672013-04-28T20:20:04.470-07:002013-04-28T20:20:04.470-07:00I am not sure who Ducky was talking to when he com...I am not sure who Ducky was talking to when he commented, "<i>Justification by faith (justification by a little internal conversation)? Dogma.</i>", but it got my attention.<br /><br />Of course "justification by faith" is dogma. That's the definition of religious beliefs. Where I think Ducky runs astray is that he, like many other people, don't understand Christianity. Salvation is achieved by faith, not by good works, or by flagellation. That's what Martin Luther's realization was all about when he pondered the meaning of Romans 1:17 way back in the 15th century.<br /><br />Christians don't stand on street corners selling flowers and stuff to earn salvation. Salvation is a gift from God, and that fact is one of the hardest things for people to understand. My favorite quote is from Ephesians 2:8, "... it is a gift of God". Jesus explained it simply, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."<br /><br />The idea is so simple, it turns some people off. The trick is living the life.<br /><br />Perhaps Ducky doesn't believe in a life after death. That's understandable, since we cannot show that such exists. Believing in the existence of God brings the same problem. We cannot prove it, nor can we disprove God's existence. <br /><br />But, I also did not create myself, and I don't believe that life will appear from a mash-up of chance happenings. I don't even believe in randomness. I believe in a deterministic world.<br /><br />If Ducky believes in Science, he has driven his ducks to a bad market. Science is forever changing, and those scientific truths we hold today, may be overturned tomorrow. Science is a fickled deity, and will turn on you.<br /><br />Thanks for the Sunday faith blogs, Z. I always look forward to them.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-70084378742876261142013-04-28T18:59:26.933-07:002013-04-28T18:59:26.933-07:00Funny how when I comment from my phone it appears ...Funny how when I comment from my phone it appears to take and later is not there.<br />If a Creator is not the guarantor of or rights, there's no appellate to protect them. Evolution seems to protect only the strongest. Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39612381099422790272013-04-28T17:25:53.705-07:002013-04-28T17:25:53.705-07:00we're definitely equal on this earth, that is ...we're definitely equal on this earth, that is FOR SURE.<br /><br />I figured you didn't mean chemicals gave us rights but wanted to make sure! :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-51671668435289104362013-04-28T17:22:08.559-07:002013-04-28T17:22:08.559-07:00PS, we're equal at the end. As in you can'...PS, we're equal at the end. As in you can't take it with you.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44349788521182485102013-04-28T17:18:03.687-07:002013-04-28T17:18:03.687-07:00I personally don't believe in a collection of ...I personally don't believe in a collection of chemicals. But I just wanted to point out that regardless, every individual has these rights. They don't come from any other individual. King, butthead, whatever.<br /><br />We're equal at the start.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-34812953621917478762013-04-28T17:12:59.347-07:002013-04-28T17:12:59.347-07:00Kid! But you think a 'collection of chemicals...Kid! But you think a 'collection of chemicals', if that's "the creator", gives us RIGHTS?<br /><br /><br />Law and Order...bliss; you're right. I'm glad you had such a nice experience.<br />Different than sharing a first-run movie, or sharing a dinner in a good restaurant. I guess a question could be "WHY?" What makes it so different...just sitting there...?"<br /><br />I think we know.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-40388592052196208422013-04-28T17:08:15.590-07:002013-04-28T17:08:15.590-07:00Z,
I went to Mass with my son and daughter-in-law ...Z,<br />I went to Mass with my son and daughter-in-law today. Great experience. Nothing is as good as sharing faith with your children. Happy Sunday. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-48807504795473303422013-04-28T16:53:06.187-07:002013-04-28T16:53:06.187-07:00Apparently Ducky believes that Karl Marx was an or...Apparently Ducky believes that Karl Marx was an original thinker, an original in his evil ways. I hate to disabuse you Ducky but it seems clear that Marx and Engels had someone who got to them and provided them with his thinking which they adopted.<br /><br />"Moses Hess quickly transformed young Marx into a freemason, a socialist agitator and his minion. Marx was still no communist.<br /> <br />He wrote in Rheinische Zeitung, which he edited during the years 1842-43:<br />"Attempts by masses to carry out Communist ideas can be answered by a cannon as soon as they have become dangerous..."<br />He then believed these ideas to be impracticable. Moses Hess essentially corrected all these opinions. He became the grey eminence behind Marx, intensively guiding and influencing his protégé's work."<br /><br />"Karl Marx's worship of violence was strengthened by a Frankist communist whom he met in 1841, when he was 23 years old. This man was called Moritz Moses Hess. Moses Hess was born on the 21st of June 1812 in Bonn, the son of a wealthy Jewish industrialist. He died on the 6th of April 1875 in Paris and is buried in Israel. It can be mentioned that he founded the German Social Democratic Party."<br /><br />"Engels had also expressed Christian ideas in his youth:<br />"I thirsted for a connection with God. My religion was and is a peaceful and blessed world and I should be pleased with it if it were to be with me also after my funeral. I have no reason to suppose God should take it away from me. Religious persuasion is a thing of the heart. I pray every day, indeed almost all day, for truth.<br /> <br />I seek the truth everywhere, even where I hope to find just a shadow of it. Tears are welling forth as I write this. I am moved through and through, but I feel I will not be lost. I will come to God, for whom my whole soul longs."<br />(Marx and Engels, "From Early Works", Moscow, 1956, p. 306.)" <br /><br />From that Engels turned and became something more sinister accompanied by Marx. A devout early Zionist, Moses Hess shows some fire not only for Zionism but for "the proletariat".<br /><br />"In his "Red Catechism for the German People", Moses Hess revealed:<br />"The socialist revolution is my religion."<br /><br />"Moses Hess wrote to the Jewish socialist leader Ferdinand Lasalle:<br />"I use the sword against anyone who opposes the struggle of the proletariat."<br /><br />""Whoever denies Jewish nationalism is not only an apostate, a renegade in the religious sense, but also a traitor to his people and to his family."<br />(Moses Hess, "Selected Works", Cologne, 1962.)"<br />Waylonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08533895509055020394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-4053003563981237082013-04-28T16:12:56.827-07:002013-04-28T16:12:56.827-07:00your not you'reyour not you're<br />elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-24905904991318141432013-04-28T16:12:30.976-07:002013-04-28T16:12:30.976-07:00Well duhkkky if Edersheim had only mentioned homos...Well duhkkky if Edersheim had only mentioned homosexuality you might have a point, but he also brought up abortion, marriage, the use of slaves, the degradation of those who were not of the elite class...etc...<br /><br />the mercenaries bit is a straw man, because I didn't mention it doesn't mean I don't think it could have contributed.<br /><br />As for submitting to God if you'd care to read past the Sermon on the Mount you might find you're answer. The Ten Commandments as I mentioned in a comment here were summarized by Christ in to two...<br /><br />Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul, mind and strength.<br /><br />Love your neighbor as yourself.<br /><br />If it were just acts duhkkky Christ came for nothing, as the Pharisees performed all the right 'acts'. <br /><br />I used no such homosexual screed. <br /><br />Interesting that you mentioned justification by faith...it dominates Paul's writings to the Romans. <br /><br />Do you know what justification means?<br /><br />Justification is the legal act where God declares the sinner to be innocent of his or her sins. It is not that the sinner is now sinless, but that he is "declared" sinless. This declaration of righteousness is being justified before God. This justification is based on the shed blood of Jesus, "...having now been justified by His blood..." (Rom. 5:9) where Jesus was crucified, died, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor. 15:1-4). God imputed (reckoned to our account) the righteousness of Christ at the same time our sins were imputed to Christ when he was on the cross. That is why it says in 1 Pet. 2:24, "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed." Also, 2 Cor. 5:21 says, "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." Additionally, we are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1) apart from works of the Law (Rom. 3:28).<br /><br />As for your moral relativism, I dare say it's getting quite old. Casting pearls before swine gets old.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67442188631562228572013-04-28T16:00:08.101-07:002013-04-28T16:00:08.101-07:00Well, Elmo, I still don't know why you expect ...Well, Elmo, I still don't know why you expect the secular state to implode. Marx's "withering away" of the state sounds a good deal less traumatic.<br /><br />You don't seem to accept the influx of mercenaries into the Roman army (much like our Middle East experience) as a cause for the fall.<br />Well, let's just blame the homos. That seems a handy catch all.<br /><br />Still, the question of what it means to "submit to God" hasn't been explained. It has to be more than the Ten Commandments since much of the Commandments are present in other early legal systems. Some predate the Commandments and some developed later but without contact.<br /><br />No, it has to be more and an description without the usual homosexuality screed would be useful witness. There really isn't anyplace to go with this obsession over controlling people's sexuality.<br /><br />Calvinistic predestination? Dogma.<br />Justification by faith (justification by a little internal conversation)? Dogma.<br /><br />No it has to come down to acts and a good deal more than narrowly prescribed sex acts.<br /><br />Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5398699585240238692013-04-28T15:33:33.063-07:002013-04-28T15:33:33.063-07:00"Endowed by our Creator"
Regardless if y..."Endowed by our Creator"<br />Regardless if you believe Our Creator is a God - an individual entity - or a concept of nature, or even a bio-electrical instance that occurred in a collection of chemicals, Endowed by Oor Creator means that Each of us has certain unalienable rights.<br /><br />The right to protect our life and those others we choose. The right to operate within a legal communal framework that gives us the right to achieve what anyone else can achieve or not but cannot be tread upon by others with powers taken by or given to them.<br /><br />Idealistic? yes. But also realistic. Who gives up their responsibility for self-protection? I don't. Not in the sense of dealing with other individuals on the personal level, or dealing with the evil from other cultures or countries on the national/world level. For that I pay taxes to support a militia capable of dealing with those threats.<br />Before I get to far off the point, the point is I don't personally need or wish to have the protection of a local police force. To give up that level of responsibility is the first step to giving up all such responsibility and therefore passing it over to "Others" who now have the precedent to claim they need to do X in order to step in and take over Your Own responsibility for protection.<br /><br />You're screwed now. You've given up your rights endowed by your creator by giving up the responsibilities that come with those rights.<br /><br />The consequences are and will become more and more a part of your daily life. This is not an abstract. This is the stuff that knocks on your front door and stops you on the road as you travel from point A to point B.<br />Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66576330922677931302013-04-28T15:23:50.600-07:002013-04-28T15:23:50.600-07:00though correlation does not necessarily mean causa...though correlation does not necessarily mean causation, our government tries to quantify it all the time...e.g. poverty rates, divorce rates etc. <br />elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-61156578417220671322013-04-28T15:18:02.777-07:002013-04-28T15:18:02.777-07:00In response to other comments, ie Ed. Yes sir. G...In response to other comments, ie Ed. Yes sir. God's greatest gift to mankind is free will and it is not up to us to judge everything that people do. Only when it impacts others in a negative way do we gather at a court of law and judge. Otherwise, none of my business.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-76392195000893500152013-04-28T15:15:38.101-07:002013-04-28T15:15:38.101-07:00To be sane, you have to believe you are a part of ...To be sane, you have to believe you are a part of a larger entity. Community, country, culture, planet, universe.<br />If you do believe that then in my opinion, you must accept the responsibility for maintaining that environment - whatever that means to you and your own conscience.<br />For me that means opposing evil at every opportunity.<br /><br />Maybe that equates to submitting yourself to God. I don't know, but I'm happy being on this side of the constant struggle between good and evil.<br />Evil may kill me someday but I'll never be afraid of it. It doesn't deserve the drama.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.com