tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post1096904524457458104..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: The Patriot ActZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73356629259326557142011-02-16T13:56:16.083-08:002011-02-16T13:56:16.083-08:00Ron Paul believes America is at fault for 9/11. Th...Ron Paul believes America is at fault for 9/11. That's all we need to know about him to keep us from voting for him.<br /><br />Or don't you remember this?<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuX73IxqtbgMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79821456822924592332011-02-13T19:31:55.042-08:002011-02-13T19:31:55.042-08:00"We want legitimate police work where the pol...<b><i>"We want legitimate police work where the police, and other such agencies, exist to protect the public both individually and collectively."</i></b><br /><br />Sorry to disagree but self protection is left to the individual:<br /><br /><b><i>"“We don’t need Ammunition, we have a Police Force for protection.”<br />No. In accordance with the SCOTUS decision in Warren VS DC, among other cases, it is not the duty of the police to provide protection. They exist to enforce the laws and have no obligation to protect any individual unless under a particular and specific arrangement to that individual, for example, taken into protective custody"</i></b><br /><br />Buy your protection while you can....extended magazines....auto shotguns...AR15's and civvie M4's.<br /><br />Do it..before the bastards nullify the 2nd Amendment and we're living in a place like NY with a dictator like the little Hermens like Bloomberg / Nazi disarms all of America.<br /><br />Take a close look at this little bastard as opposed to Jan Brewer.RedWoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73112218336845017102011-02-11T09:08:26.528-08:002011-02-11T09:08:26.528-08:00Tyrants invariably USE existing laws to aid the in...Tyrants invariably USE existing laws to aid the in their quest to dominate and subjugate a given society. One firmly ensconced in power they are sure to adopt the attitude of Louis XIV who said, <i>"L'etat c'est moi"</i> (I.e. "I am the state.")<br /><br />So, yes, you are right. All I am trying to say is that given any would-be tyrant's propensity to abuse existing laws and distort their intended meaning to suit the the tyrant's ambitions, <i><b>the last thing we need to do is put laws on that books that make it easier for the despots to achieve the absolute power they seek by cloaking their nefarious activities with any semblance of legitimacy</b></i>.<br /><br />Thugs will be thugs. Killers will be killers. I am suggesting we ought to suspend the civil rights and revoke the citizenship of those who are positively KNOWN to belong to Organized Crime and any group or movement that seeks to USURP or OVERTHROW our legitimate form of government. <br /><br />That's pretty radical, I know, but it's also pragmatic. Why anyone caught with a proverbial "smoking gun" in his hand should be given the privilege of due process I can't imagine.<br /><br />I think we may safely assume that Islamists, members of the Mafia, the Communist party, and those who play the role of professional agitators and troublemakers are, indeed GUILTY. They must of course be given the opportunity to PROVE THEMSELVES INNOCENT -- if the can. <br /><br />KNOWN killers, traitors and subversives do not deserve to be protected by the Bill of Rights.<br /><br />The rest of us most emphatically DO.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-24385848900219598282011-02-11T08:48:19.829-08:002011-02-11T08:48:19.829-08:00The difference between legitimate police work and ...The difference between legitimate police work and a police state is the function of the police. We want legitimate police work where the police, and other such agencies, exist to protect the public both individually and collectively. In a police state they exist to protect the government form the "proles". Obama and his cronies are more threatened by We-The-People than terrorists.<br /><br />As far as the Patriot Act goes it is a good thing in the hands of the right people who would use it properly. In the hands of people like Obama it could easily be used, not to track terrorism, but to find out if someone is eating too much fried food or smoking somewhere. Any power, even the most legitimate, can be abused and, unfortunately, power by its very nature attracts those most likely to abuse it.shoprathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05265612188236394307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-74388441427086736902011-02-11T07:17:29.447-08:002011-02-11T07:17:29.447-08:00If you're dealing with a tyranny, the rules do...If you're dealing with a tyranny, the rules don't matter anyway. Patriot Act or not. <br /><br />Pay attention to how this administration has ignored two federal court rulings. Do you think if there was no Patriot Act it would matter to this administration?<br /><br />Pay attention to how the Constitution doesn't matter to this administration. Obama has dismissed and chided the Supreme Court. <br /><br />The Congress refused to debate and pass Cap and Trade, and yet, this administration is going ahead with their regulations through the EPA, anyway, and Obama had the audacity to announce they would.<br /><br />HHS is active in going ahead with healthcare regulations in spite of the court. If we pay attention to all that's being done by this administration, we have to realize that we are witnessing anarchy from the top down.<br /><br />The law doesn't matter to these people. Does anyone here really believe that the fact these elements in the Patriot Act did not pass, will matter to the Obama administration?<br /><br />Do not listen to what they say, watch what they do.<br /><br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-41605264019186879122011-02-10T22:18:52.157-08:002011-02-10T22:18:52.157-08:00Insensitive and Unduly Provocative? A Mosque's...<b>Insensitive and Unduly Provocative? A Mosque's Call to Prayer Amid Oxford's Spires</b><br /><br />January 2008<br /><br />One of the joys of being in Marrakesh, or a Muslim city anywhere, is hearing the morning call to prayer. There is unquestionably something moving about this haunting, age-old invocation to worship.<br /><br />One might admittedly sometimes be irritated by being woken up in the early hours: calls to prayer in Muslim countries are often amplified on a loudspeaker, and can be heard at a great distance.<br /><br />So what? If the inhabitants have no problems with the noise levels, an outsider is hardly in a position to object.<br />Why, then, am I queasy about the proposal that the enormous new Oxford Mosque, when it is finally completed in nine months or so, should have a call to prayer amplified by a loudspeaker? ...<br /><br /><br /><br />Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-510059/Insensitive-unduly-provocative-A-mosques-prayer-amid-Oxfords-spires.html#ixzz1Dd0xgdMVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-7041247929363809072011-02-10T21:56:55.601-08:002011-02-10T21:56:55.601-08:00Anonymous...OXFORD has a minaret? They're hav...Anonymous...OXFORD has a minaret? They're having calls to prayer?<br /><br />what?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-76861913938350751262011-02-10T21:32:22.644-08:002011-02-10T21:32:22.644-08:00Again maybe I'm simplistic. My concern is that...<i>Again maybe I'm simplistic. My concern is that if one day some internal political movement is declared "terrorist", Tea Party, left wing party, whatever, then it's too easy to apply those rules to them.</i><br /><br />Brother, you sure got that right. Once the mechanism enabling tyranny is in place anyone in power can decide to pick on ANY group or individual it does not like for ANY reason -- or for NO REASON at ALL -- and engage in systematic PERSECUTION. It won't matter that you've done nothing wring or have nothing to hide if you happen to belong to the WRONG group -- <i>as defined by the tyrant</i>.<br /><br />Of course MUSLIMS ARE the WRONG GROUP and should be given the choice of either abandoning their so-called religion or being told to get out of the West. <br /><br />Britain's Oxford is today being treated to the howling whining call of the MUEZZIN. The church bells there have already been DROWNED OUT by this darkly aggressive, subversive, menacing, FOREIGN element.<br /><br />In tolerating intolerance we have virtually signed our own death warrant as a people, as a culture as a nation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-24097284701971665292011-02-10T15:38:07.092-08:002011-02-10T15:38:07.092-08:00I'm just spitballin' here, but I think an...I'm just spitballin' here, but I think anything Obama's people are for, there must be something wrong with it. I stand 100% against anything of which Obama is in favor.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14273997831531466212011-02-10T15:25:29.641-08:002011-02-10T15:25:29.641-08:00FB, as you know, cops can pull anybody in Paris ov...FB, as you know, cops can pull anybody in Paris over and look in their car; that's fine with me if it keeps me safe. I have nothing to hide. <br />And, I remember feeling safer when I'd look at the skyline and see the glint of a gun from sharp shooters on the tops of buildings on the Champs Elysee, too :-)<br />And yes, I know there's a fine line between my rights and my safety..<br /><br />there's no good answer, that's the problem; and I believe jihadists are counting on that.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-55461188678435930742011-02-10T14:35:02.770-08:002011-02-10T14:35:02.770-08:00FB, so how do we justify a cop's yanking a cel...<i>FB, so how do we justify a cop's yanking a cell phone from someone who's really suspicious or someone he has information about which spurs him to do this? And why the H would he want MINE?, just for fun?</i><br /><br />Is he suspicious or has he committed a crime? <br /><br />I guess one could compare the cell phone search to a car search. But then why not allow cops to search in a house without warrant? It still is a privacy and private property issue.<br /><br />I don't know the legal aspects of all that stuff so maybe I'm talking out of my rear end.<br /><br />But again, I'm very cautious with investigating people just on suspicion.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-34919526002173221472011-02-10T14:30:07.071-08:002011-02-10T14:30:07.071-08:00How would you suggest we follow these sources of a...<i>How would you suggest we follow these sources of aggression?</i><br /><br />1/ If it's all over the world, then the Patriot Act can't be applied to foreign countries. So now it's a different matter.<br />2/ Here, they can try to infiltrate networks, be smarter, have spies. Maybe I'm simplistic but I'm sure those techniques are still applied and still work. If you want to prevent attacks, you have to be part of them. It's like the mob.<br /><br />Again maybe I'm simplistic. My concern is that if one day some internal political movement is declared "terrorist", Tea Party, left wing party, whatever, then it's too easy to apply those rules to them.<br /><br />Let's be honest, the NSA already intercept communications. Did we really need the Patriot Act to add to it? Do we really need rules as to martial law in this country?FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26543145816793862622011-02-10T14:26:02.724-08:002011-02-10T14:26:02.724-08:00FB, so how do we justify a cop's yanking a cel...FB, so how do we justify a cop's yanking a cell phone from someone who's really suspicious or someone he has information about which spurs him to do this? And why the H would he want MINE?, just for fun?<br /><br />Ticker, if I didn't know your friend was watching, I don't know what I'd do. <br />And, by the way, I'm not scared at all.<br /><br />And I still think these are extraordinary times which do call for extraordinary actions, like them or not.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73910367863183982142011-02-10T13:46:35.971-08:002011-02-10T13:46:35.971-08:00Ft and FB. I agree it's a fine line to walk, a...Ft and FB. I agree it's a fine line to walk, and in the wrong hands, it can be abused. Anything can.<br /><br />However, when we hear on the news that Al Qaeda is close to getting a dirty bomb we have to weigh these things, and consider the consequences of both.<br /><br />We are dealing with a different sort of enemy, which is scattered the world over. It's not a nation state we're up against, it's a mobile movement of terrorists.<br />How would you suggest we follow these sources of aggression?<br /><br />The activities of the intelligence community re the Patriot Act is overseen by the intelligence committee in Congress. <br /><br /> <br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71021472173373768082011-02-10T11:11:43.183-08:002011-02-10T11:11:43.183-08:00I wrote about the same thing today and posed the q...I wrote about the same thing today and posed the question as to was it all bad to eliminate some of the language. I offered a reason perhaps along with the idea that perhaps someone in Congress finally actually read a bill before they voted. <br />Frankly the Patriot Act was a "knee-jerk" bill passed in a moment of panic , seriously flawed and now stands in need of revision.<br /><br />Z as to leaving us vunerable--Hogwash young lady. We have been "listening" for years with and without any such laws. We will continue to do so with or without a Patriot Act and you can be assured that if those listening and those receiving the reports of what is said are on the ball we will continue to be safe. Unfortunately we have an idiot in charge of DHS but hopefully the information will bypass "stupid" or at least be held up until the "bad guys" are grabbed. We know for a fact that DHS delays and delays.<br /> <br />My friend says to tell you that you are safe in your bed tonight. He's listening and watching.Tickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500388925461726862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-40538741997274627082011-02-10T09:59:01.266-08:002011-02-10T09:59:01.266-08:00Patriot Act inspires some local laws that are scar...Patriot Act inspires some local laws that are scary. In CA for example, cops can now seize your cell phone without any warrant to look into its data or the call logs. And a judge ruled that constitutional. To me it's fascism at work. Sorry.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-8727719310359764862011-02-10T09:56:44.870-08:002011-02-10T09:56:44.870-08:00And Conservatives or GOP people who are for small ...And Conservatives or GOP people who are for small and limited gov, yet have no problem with the Patriot Act, need to look into their contradictions.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-87668117128991528622011-02-10T09:55:19.279-08:002011-02-10T09:55:19.279-08:00I don't like the Patriot Act. Some of it is to...I don't like the Patriot Act. Some of it is too dangerous. Martial law, all that stuff. Privacy issues.<br /><br />I'd take freedom over too much safety.<br /><br />FT is right. What if one day we have a despot? What if one day we're so sick and tired of our government and we can't rise up?<br /><br />If America wants to remain exceptional, it will have to do away with those measures.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-15072481324569468672011-02-10T08:58:33.529-08:002011-02-10T08:58:33.529-08:00Pris,
Generally I agree with you, but have you co...Pris,<br /><br />Generally I agree with you, but have you considered what these extraordinary extra-legal powers could -- and would -- do if they fell into the hands of a would-be despot? <br /><br />When one of "our" people is in power, it might be all right, but when one of "their" people takes the driver's seat it would not be all right.<br /><br />Safety is important, but liberty trumps safety every time -- IF you believe in our Constitution that is.<br /><br />Keeping all aspects of government power in acceptable balance is a continual tightrope walk over the Abyss.<br /><br />As I said in my earlier post, I think outright, up front, <i>unapologetic discrimination against known troublemakers</i> -- and those who want to coddle them -- would be a better solution than making all of us vulnerable to any old tyrant who happens to spring up during one of these manufactured "crises."<br /><br />FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-52905123585043425202011-02-10T06:59:44.351-08:002011-02-10T06:59:44.351-08:00"However, as i stated the measures in the Pat..."However, as i stated the measures in the Patriot Act (disgraceful name) often do absolutely nothing to advance security but do manage to give agencies intrusive power."<br /><br />Ducky you say this as if you have personal knowledge as to how effective this act has been regarding national security. <br /><br />Unless you're privy to classified info, you know very little if anything, as do the rest of us.<br /><br />We do know terrorist plots have been foiled though, don't we. Those we've been told about. What about those we haven't been told about? <br /><br />Details aren't released for public consumption because to release them to the public is to release them to the enemy.<br /><br />To hear a leftist like you refer to intrusive power, is such a joke. What do you think this administration is up to, except intrusive power over every aspect of our lives. <br /><br />You have no credibility whatsoever.<br /><br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-60366238920625376482011-02-09T23:04:36.094-08:002011-02-09T23:04:36.094-08:00Ducky,
Tell us what it is to be in fear.
Why are...Ducky,<br /><br />Tell us what it is to be in fear.<br /><br />Why are you leftists pissing yourselves afraid of putting Khalid Sheikh Muhammad on trial in a federal court?(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-61907421321584976142011-02-09T23:01:45.507-08:002011-02-09T23:01:45.507-08:00I think we should suspend its provisions during De...I think we should suspend its provisions during Democrat administrations so people wanting to download pirated digital movies, music, software, and video for personal use can be left alone and more attention be paid to actual terrorist communications and Wikileaks hacker attacks.<br /><br />Cassette recording killed the music industry. Get over it.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-51118228663633575772011-02-09T19:49:36.846-08:002011-02-09T19:49:36.846-08:00which "reason" is that, DUcky, and do yo...which "reason" is that, DUcky, and do you think that's not insulting?<br /> I'm REALLY tired of it and hope to never have to start deleting you again.<br />Yes, I come back at you pretty hard, but we could actually have a conversation without insults if you'd stop. You will note you rarely write a comment without an insult.<br /><br />I think it is patriotic to protect your country and I don't think that the safeguards are negligible.<br /><br />And I wonder how we can straddle safety with political correctness for terrorists, which seems to be so important to liberals, and the freedom we all have enjoyed the last 250 years. Very tough times but, if you honestly think we have no worries ("straw man?" A simple question with astonishing relevance to the topic is a straw man?), then good for you. Sleep well in your bubble of hopefulness.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-43634624755932062292011-02-09T19:38:06.110-08:002011-02-09T19:38:06.110-08:00Straw man, z. Of course we face threats. However, ...Straw man, z. Of course we face threats. However, as i stated the measures in the Patriot Act (disgraceful name) often do absolutely nothing to advance security but do manage to give agencies intrusive power.<br /><br /> Your unease is not an excuse for abandoning reason so easily.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-85877508176379585292011-02-09T18:17:01.087-08:002011-02-09T18:17:01.087-08:00I'll ask you again "Hey, you think we fac...I'll ask you again "Hey, you think we face NO threats ever, right? That's what you're always implying? Tell us why, we'd all love to know. (See you next week, of course, when you dare come back)"<br /><br />thanks.<br /><br />"Right wingers get scared"? are you thoughtless?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.com