tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post1551376844819818466..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Waterboard Feinstein??Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-74569581973107219582014-04-08T16:10:46.116-07:002014-04-08T16:10:46.116-07:00Bob, you certainly could be right. Just expressing...Bob, you certainly could be right. Just expressing my opinion.<br /><br />I know we can detect the heck out of radioactive material for example so that one is we are doing something right. I have to believe that having no martyrs showing up at malls on shooting sprees is not the result of anything we doing. So we're both right.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-48857697655174668512014-04-08T09:43:00.525-07:002014-04-08T09:43:00.525-07:00Many wish that CIA agents could become Superheroes...Many wish that CIA agents could become <a href="http://youtu.be/outtgGygx-s" rel="nofollow">Superheroes</a> and protect America from every conceivable threat. I propose that we continue to "bound them" (limited government) by Law, and be satisfied with their remaining mere "mortal" heroes.<br /><br />There will be further "tragedies" as a result. But to expect (and/or "authorize") MORE, would be tantamount to selling their soul's, and our own, into darkness. A kiss from the rose on our own graves.<br /><br /><i>Exeunt the fool</i><br />-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16745768408538827278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12152827027063512862014-04-08T06:27:30.234-07:002014-04-08T06:27:30.234-07:00...the "late" "Mr. Wayne" (fro......the "late" "Mr. Wayne" (from Dark Knight Rises)? ;)-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16745768408538827278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-9272679882850072832014-04-08T06:23:10.026-07:002014-04-08T06:23:10.026-07:00Thersites. our CIA wasn't developed to be &quo...<i>Thersites. our CIA wasn't developed to be "vigilantes".</i><br /><br />Whatever you say, <a href="http://farmersletters.blogspot.com/2014/04/ego-ideal-vs-superego.html" rel="nofollow">Harvey</a>. Or should I call you "Mr. Wayne?"-FJ the Dangerous and Extreme MAGA Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16745768408538827278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3863022295333698872014-04-08T02:37:21.139-07:002014-04-08T02:37:21.139-07:00Bob - "I don't think SOFA was part of the...Bob - "I don't think SOFA was part of the primary military or follow-on operations against guerrilla forces in Iraq. The fact remains that we won the fight, but yielded to the home based pressure to surrender our hard gotten gains."<br /><br />This doesn't jive with the timeline. First, the SOFA negotiations began with the insurgency still in high gear. But when you say that Obama 'lost the war' and that we yielded to pressure......remember that the SOFA negotiations began and the withdrawl date set, during the previous Administration.<br /><br />"What was an obvious bad move before the fact was Obama's mission to get ALL military out as soon as possible. That decision and action is having a negative effect in our dealings with IRAN."<br /><br />That case can certainly be made, as the move comes with risk. But equal risk is incurred by keeping forces in a nation where we do not have the primary tenet of COIN - a legitimate host government. How long should we expend American blood to prop a corrupt regime, while handicapping our ability to destroy al Qaeda?<br /><br />Regarding Iran, fears of not having forces in the region [and taking continued casualties] must be tempered with the fact that our invasion of Iraq removed the regional counterweight to Iranian power in the gulf, and gave them a friendly neighbor.<br /><br />Regarding the original topic, I am entertained by characterizations of waterboarding, by those who have not gone throught the Resistance Lab in SERE.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-38603713389674471132014-04-07T21:05:37.079-07:002014-04-07T21:05:37.079-07:00@Kid : "I still maintain the Boston bombings ...@Kid : "I still maintain the Boston bombings showed just how incompetent event security is in the USA."<br /><br />No offense taken, Kid. <br /><br />I agree with you, but what I meant is that we haven't seen any more airplanes crashing into buildings, bombs going off in malls, and many of the other acts of terrorism we see around the world. It may be that we've been lucky, and I could believe that. But, I also think that somewhere, somehow, all this sneaky stuff we do has put a kink into some terrorist plan. I have no proof, just an unsupported belief.<br /><br />Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-36244604331815217212014-04-07T19:06:08.255-07:002014-04-07T19:06:08.255-07:00Go Huskies !!Go Huskies !!Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-68071443145208704372014-04-07T18:24:41.758-07:002014-04-07T18:24:41.758-07:00tHERSITES, TERROISTS do not have integrity. They ...tHERSITES, TERROISTS do not have integrity. They are dunked in water, knowing that we will not kill them...it's a big horrid long gulp of water, holding one's breath; enough to get them to squeal. That's fine with me, pal.<br /><br />Ducky...what? there is no 'meme' on Arabs and weakness? I'm sorry, I really DID think you'd lived somewhere in Arabia, and it's so well known (and you can't bs me on this one, this is something I know about) that weakness is pounced on. A slight show of worry or disarray is weakness. No matter what you say, trust me.<br />It's a weakness because NONE of our enemies debate ANYTHING in public. GET IT, DUCKY? They don't allow it; they don't admit it. Our enemies are laughing their BUTTS off and, if the left understood this, MAYBE they'd back down on the America-hating ...ya think?<br /><br />Thersites. our CIA wasn't developed to be "vigilantes".<br />Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-54114205587692969342014-04-07T18:12:47.035-07:002014-04-07T18:12:47.035-07:00...but if you'd prefer to live in a society wh......but if you'd prefer to live in a society where vigilantes are given free reign to save your world, <a href="http://farmersletters.blogspot.com/2014/04/ego-ideal-vs-superego.html" rel="nofollow">go right ahead</a>. As for me, I prefer to hold Batman as responsible for his own actions, as I would the<a href="http://youtu.be/u8PxG5zvgOM" rel="nofollow">Joker</a>.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53088526759155843362014-04-07T17:45:09.007-07:002014-04-07T17:45:09.007-07:00In other words, Z, there are no easy answers that ...In other words, Z, there are <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EQQYeRAT3o" rel="nofollow">no easy answers</a> that can be written down to cover every circumstance.<br /><br />Sometimes, we need to rely on the integrity inherent in individuals AND in "the system". But for THAT to occur, the system itself must have "integrity". But when the system situationally authorizes torture, the integrity of individuals is no longer possible, for the "system" itself becomes corrupted.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44358528202572389812014-04-07T17:41:57.836-07:002014-04-07T17:41:57.836-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-81061123270916332692014-04-07T17:27:05.293-07:002014-04-07T17:27:05.293-07:00Keep torture illegal and let us "Jessups"...Keep torture illegal and let us "<a href="http://youtu.be/t7EksvnO9hI" rel="nofollow">Jessups</a>" keep BOTH our consciences clear AND a healthy respect for the Constitution/ Law.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64406675641816066432014-04-07T17:22:08.978-07:002014-04-07T17:22:08.978-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Thersiteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15751286903359745316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-16636669811520321852014-04-07T16:53:56.688-07:002014-04-07T16:53:56.688-07:00Torture....... You folks realize the TSA can stri...Torture....... You folks realize the TSA can strip and body cavity search you on the road without giving a reason. Please.<br /><br />I'd rather be water boarded for an equal length of time.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50253242744283904042014-04-07T16:45:11.514-07:002014-04-07T16:45:11.514-07:00PS, the dems and the media are pouring the republi...PS, the dems and the media are pouring the republicans are evil meme gearing up for the next election. All it is.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-22985199900957571872014-04-07T16:44:25.917-07:002014-04-07T16:44:25.917-07:00Bob, with great respect for you, I have to take is...Bob, with great respect for you, I have to take issue with the idea that "we [obama adminsitration, TSA, etc] must be doing something right.<br /><br />I still maintain the Boston bombings showed just how incompetent event security is in the USA.<br /><br />It is my belief, including those bozos, that the only people in the USA trying to perpetrate a terrorist incident are mostly incompetent moslem individuals incapable of igniting some Propane tanks inside a car 99 time out of 100.<br /><br />If we had serious/competent/martyr type terror people here we'd be seeing stuff all over the place. Malls etc. ala Mumbai or BaliKidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3448873276850816062014-04-07T16:37:36.598-07:002014-04-07T16:37:36.598-07:00"The laughter must be amazing."
That&..."The laughter must be amazing." <br /><br />That's what I'm sayin, no what um sayin?<br /><br />We've been a banana country since Jan 22, 2009. It's getting worse.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30318235233334310642014-04-07T16:34:57.015-07:002014-04-07T16:34:57.015-07:00z, why does debating whether we are a civilized so...z, why does debating whether we are a civilized society that does not use torture a weakness?<br /><br />And where did you get them meme about Arabs and weakness, Patai?<br />Seems to me it applies to any state or people.<br /><br />Odd that you bring up Bosnia. That has been reasonably successful.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-32368354061949869442014-04-07T16:10:02.261-07:002014-04-07T16:10:02.261-07:00CI: I don't think SOFA was part of the primary...CI: I don't think SOFA was part of the primary military or follow-on operations against guerrilla forces in Iraq. The fact remains that we won the fight, but yielded to the home based pressure to surrender our hard gotten gains. <br /><br />Agreed, nation building was a mistake, but that is an easy observation after the fact. What was an obvious bad move before the fact was Obama's mission to get ALL military out as soon as possible. That decision and action is having a negative effect in our dealings with IRAN.<br /><br />Without any forces in the region, we have no influence on the Iranians, and I have a hard time understanding why this was not one of our goals in just being in Iraq.<br /><br />What we did in Afghanistan was OK, but was once again screwed up by Obama. We need a presence there, and now we will not have it. The Taliban were run out of the country, and Osama Bin Laden was marginalized to the extent that not even his death made any difference in the war on terror.<br /><br />We may have wanted out of those countries, altogether, and we may have problems with dealing with corrupt leaders, but there are still reasons to have a military presence there. <br /><br />It may be damned if you do, and damned if you don't. I would rather see us with a military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to bracket Iran. Now, we are no threat to that regime.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14760294233905016082014-04-07T15:03:10.224-07:002014-04-07T15:03:10.224-07:00by the way, if you thought my comment sounded defe...by the way, if you thought my comment sounded defensive, maybe I AM letting things get to me!<br />Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71709261782641357692014-04-07T15:02:47.015-07:002014-04-07T15:02:47.015-07:00thanks, Krabby!
hope to see you here soon....thanks, Krabby!<br />hope to see you here soon....Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-77635447924238649272014-04-07T14:56:49.377-07:002014-04-07T14:56:49.377-07:00Mrs. Z:
That's all I meant. I was not being d...Mrs. Z:<br /><br />That's all I meant. I was not being disparaging at all.<br /><br />chaioT Krabbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-15142275902004414082014-04-07T14:48:21.957-07:002014-04-07T14:48:21.957-07:00krabby...no breaks from me, thanks.
Nobody's g...krabby...no breaks from me, thanks.<br />Nobody's getting to me. I'm the same ol' passionate blogger I've always been so I wonder at your remark, but I thank you for caring :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-77164222138287691582014-04-07T14:45:24.110-07:002014-04-07T14:45:24.110-07:00Mrs. Z:
Time to take a well deserved break? Looks...Mrs. Z:<br /><br />Time to take a well deserved break? Looks like they're getting to you?T Krabbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-25369828177345466582014-04-07T13:47:05.587-07:002014-04-07T13:47:05.587-07:00Thersites, FJ, etc...
I couldn't disagree with...Thersites, FJ, etc...<br />I couldn't disagree with you more and I'm the last person who'd want to torture for torture sake. I don't know anybody but our enemies who WOULD, frankly.<br /><br />What would you suggest instead? Keep the steak off their dinner that night? just serve halal mashed potatoes and string beans with no meat? Give them pork instead? Maybe they'll talk? What's your idea?<br />I'm giving you a hard time, sorry...but I KNOW you can handle it!<br />Or OFF with your HEAD :-)<br /><br /><br /><br />Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.com