tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post2550053779256682692..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: "I now pronounce you MAN and STRANGER..."Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-41788532024271812552009-01-23T21:17:00.000-08:002009-01-23T21:17:00.000-08:00I will tell him Parev but he's going to have to as...I will tell him Parev but he's going to have to ask his mom what it means. I'll let you know the response.<BR/><BR/>And, although not Armenian, I wasn't spared in the world of long, unpronounceable names when it came to my maiden name. It's not easy not being named Smith or Jones ;-)cubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788126579896276199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-59297107407772587322009-01-23T20:04:00.000-08:002009-01-23T20:04:00.000-08:00Sue, your story about your folks really touched me...Sue, your story about your folks really touched me.<BR/><BR/>No, most people will never know that, will they..that feeling of honoring your vows, doing right by your children and your spouse, the sweetness of having lived a life together. SEVENTY years...that is QUITE incredible. Thanks for sharing that...Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50376192856553623052009-01-23T18:31:00.000-08:002009-01-23T18:31:00.000-08:00z - Speaking of high divorce rate, I've had the id...z - Speaking of high divorce rate, I've had the idea for some time now that a major reason for divorce currently is<BR/>that women are more independent than they used to be and a large percent work. They have nothing to hold them back from leaving an unhappy marriage.<BR/><BR/>My mother was not independent of my dad, although after her kids were raised she did work. I know that things were not always perfect in their marriage, but when my dad died last April, they were going on 70 years - of sticking together and loving and caring for each other. So many people will never know that.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-47781159192005427312009-01-23T16:52:00.000-08:002009-01-23T16:52:00.000-08:00Cube, you might have been saved QUITE a name!!! :-...Cube, you might have been saved QUITE a name!!! :-) <BR/>Thanks for coming and letting me know..xxx Tell him PAREV!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-32813940661389977162009-01-23T16:38:00.000-08:002009-01-23T16:38:00.000-08:00Mr. Cube is Armenian on his mother's side :-)Mr. Cube is Armenian on his mother's side :-)cubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788126579896276199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83191425805658925822009-01-23T15:48:00.000-08:002009-01-23T15:48:00.000-08:00Pat...I'm really not sure...excellent question.If ...Pat...I'm really not sure...excellent question.<BR/><BR/>If someone was a fine man, well raised, kind, ...well, there'd be a LIST!, then maybe... Dignified, respectful, a family that was well known and admirable in the community? Those things are important to me.<BR/>Would I prefer sexy and tall and handsome? Ya, probably! (Smile)<BR/><BR/>BOTH? SIGN ME UP! OH, but I GOT HIM!!!! I MARRIED HIM!<BR/><BR/> heh heh (just put that in for Mr. Z....I'M KIDDDDIINGGGG!!! HAHAHA!)<BR/><BR/>Seriously....these are different times...but I do put LOTS of store on family and respectability and dignity and class....If they'd presented me with a man like that..back then.........sign me up.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-78199231300356293432009-01-23T09:28:00.000-08:002009-01-23T09:28:00.000-08:00z how would you of felt being arranged? (of course...z how would you of felt being arranged? (of course i am assuming you haven't been)Pat Jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18142174423986806144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-75712441497997197082009-01-23T08:53:00.000-08:002009-01-23T08:53:00.000-08:00There was only one undesirable Muslim candidate an...There was only one undesirable Muslim candidate and he was too old and, yes, very undesirable, but there was only one of him as opposed to half a dozen of the Jewish candidates of quite a variety of personalities. <BR/><BR/>Mr. Muslim Right came along on the very next try and he's this gorgeous young guy. Mr. Jewish Right who was only found after a lot of family friction, the girl's almost leaving home, and the intervention of her Muslim friend. wasn't so handsome but "has a kind face" as his bride says. <BR/><BR/>Anyway she loves him, and the message is that you can love your arranged spouse -- as long as you get to choose him.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12607815145291672164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71798445596222256552009-01-23T08:39:00.000-08:002009-01-23T08:39:00.000-08:00CUBE! Mr. Cube is half Armenian? I didn't know t...CUBE! Mr. Cube is half Armenian? I didn't know that!! WHAT A LUCKY WIFE YOU ARE (Smile!) You know I am, right?<BR/><BR/>CJ...Ah, the Muslim girl finally has to help the Jewish girl.......typical. Your recap is excellent and telling. Tell us, were the Muslim groom candidates as unattractive as you say the Jewish prospects were? I'd really like to know.<BR/><BR/>I think your last paragraph sums it up for lots of people. Well said.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73283212542452477852009-01-23T08:19:00.000-08:002009-01-23T08:19:00.000-08:00Since Ducky mentioned the movie "Arranged" and I h...Since Ducky mentioned the movie "Arranged" and I happened to have it already in my Netflix queue, and it was also available for "Instant Play" over the computer, I watched it last night. <BR/><BR/>It's a pleasant little low-budget propaganda film that denies there's anything in Islam itself to explain terrorism and overall is selling a low-key "Can't We All Get Along" message, but it held my interest for most of it. <BR/><BR/>We are taught about Orthodox Jewish customs and Muslim customs as a Jewish girl and a Muslim girl who both teach at a Brooklyn elementary school become friends. They are both being set up for marriage by their families, the Muslim girl by her father, the Jewish girl by her mother who has a matchmaker arrange dates for her. The dates run the gamut of unattractive Jewish male personalities, which are supposed to be funny but after half a dozen of them I was detecting something on the verge of anti-semitism, though I'm sure I must be wrong. Meanwhile, the Muslim girl is introduced to one man who is too old for her.<BR/><BR/>They both protest to their families about the first bad choices and eventually Mr. Right is found through the proper and customary channels. The Muslim girl's dream man shows up on the very next attempt, but in the case of the Jewish girl her Muslim friend has to intervene to get her together with the man she's attracted to.<BR/><BR/>The last scene shows them chatting together on a park bench with baby carriages beside them, presumably happily married to their respective arranged partners. Arranged for them but not completely arranged.<BR/><BR/>For myself I suppose I'd have to say nobody could have done a worse job of arranging my relationships than I did.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12607815145291672164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-74324953242927241022009-01-23T07:53:00.000-08:002009-01-23T07:53:00.000-08:00Mr. Cube's grandparents on his Armenian half had a...Mr. Cube's grandparents on his Armenian half had an arranged marriage and it lasted a very long time.<BR/><BR/>Of course, people were more stoic back then and didn't spend their lives navelgazing and complaining about the slightest little inconvenience.cubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788126579896276199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79757131942213665322009-01-23T07:45:00.000-08:002009-01-23T07:45:00.000-08:00Thanks, Sue. I see and I agree. Marriage really i...Thanks, Sue. I see and I agree. Marriage really is a sham when those things are done ... you're right.<BR/><BR/>The high rate of divorce is a symptom of something so deeply wrong and sad and irreparable in the West...<BR/><BR/>I believe divorce is necessary sometimes, don't get me wrong, but young people entering into marriages, having 2 kids, then leaving because "she's not happy every day" (something someone in my own family divorced her husband for~!), or "I just have to be FREE", etc......is a sign of the times.<BR/>No sacrifice, little discipline, marriage because of physical attraction and not giving much thought to other attributes (or faults).<BR/><BR/>Well...whatever. <BR/><BR/>I.H.S. said his own daughter is not averse to an arranged marriage; this is the kind of child who wants to build a relationship built on mutual respect, shared faith, shared respect for family, shared values, etc. How many times have we heard from arranged marriages "the love developed and grew because the spouse was so kind, so giving...."...I have.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-49207181985217730802009-01-23T05:06:00.000-08:002009-01-23T05:06:00.000-08:00z - I'm not suggesting that people not marry. I'm ...z - I'm not suggesting that people not marry. I'm only saying that I do not consider marriage to be a sacrament if the couple lives together before, has premarital sex, cheats during, etc and the wedding ceremony is a sham if these things are done.<BR/><BR/>Marriage is still better than not, but it's just not sacred for those who choose to break the rules. <BR/><BR/>The high divorce rate - even among Christians - speaks for itself.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-46920387562993748792009-01-22T22:11:00.000-08:002009-01-22T22:11:00.000-08:00Hi, Sue.Most people use 'shacking up' as I did, I ...Hi, Sue.<BR/>Most people use 'shacking up' as I did, I think...living together before marriage. I don't understand your statement there...by 'don't get married', you mean NEVER? Making the difference "shaking up" ONLY IF you soon marry?<BR/>I think shacking up is just plain living together instead of getting married, no matter if there are marriage plans, etc...anyway, that's the way I take it.<BR/><BR/>I know what you mean. It sure takes the beauty out of a wedding when there's a big white production with a white wedding dress, etc., and the couple's been living together for 3 years. "who cares about this NOW? Big white wedding for what?" <BR/><BR/>You mean it's hard to criticize people who live together instead of ever marrying, or you mean it's hard to criticize people who never marry? I don't criticize either...but I do wish we could get back to the good old days and people honored marriage more and ..<BR/><BR/>well...I don't know what to say. We have a different society these days and I don't feel we're benefiting from it. I'm reading GUILTY by Ann Coulter. Love or hate her, she's SO right about single mothers, for example. Such damage is being done to the children..there is so much championing single motherhood as if it's a badge of honor these days. Even Mr. Bush made speeches with "And, in the audience is Sally Jones, a SINGLE MOTHER from Indiana who......."<BR/><BR/>WHO CARES? It's so predominant and so unholy and so bad for society...SO terrible for children. <BR/>There are even BOOKS on how it's easier to raise your child without a man! There are SO many books championing single motherhood I didn't even know about!<BR/><BR/>OBVIOUSLY, there are single moms from divorce or they've been widowed, but I'm talking about "I just feel like having a baby.." single moms. Day care, kids exposed to tons of 'dates', abandonment feelings because a father never was in their life.<BR/><BR/>I'm sounding like a relic from the nineteenth century, I guess. I just don't see where this behavior is healthy for Western societies...not at all.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64388595569490273062009-01-22T21:21:00.000-08:002009-01-22T21:21:00.000-08:00z - I just noticed that you used the term 'shack u...z - I just noticed that you used the term 'shack up' about people that don't get married. Isn't living together before marriage a 'shack<BR/>up?' And how do you negate that by a marriage ceremony?suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79486139114646506122009-01-22T21:18:00.000-08:002009-01-22T21:18:00.000-08:00z - my remarks were not meant to suggest giving up...z - my remarks were not meant to suggest giving up on marriage. But I do mean what I say. What is sacred about marriage when premarital sex is predominant, living together before marriage, cheating. These are things that to me make marriage less sacred. I'm repeating myself, but this is what bothers me. I know that people will continue to have extravagant and costly weddings, but to celebrate what. They've already done everything before. <BR/><BR/>When these things exist, I find it hard to criticize people who choose not to marry. <BR/><BR/>But I'm not saying that marriage should not take place. I just don't see it the way I used to.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-78559207938136925412009-01-22T19:29:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:29:00.000-08:00But, Sue, do we give up and have the BILLIONS of d...But, Sue, do we give up and have the BILLIONS of dollars of problems from single motherhood (chosen) and just have people live with others, propagate, have nobody responsible for whatever children come from that shack up, etc.?<BR/><BR/>People just don't HAVE the discipline and sacrifice they used to have. Do we give in?<BR/><BR/>xxxZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-406480386210247452009-01-22T19:23:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:23:00.000-08:00the expense and hoopla associated with weddingsthe expense and hoopla associated with weddingssuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-16144350393219079312009-01-22T19:22:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:22:00.000-08:00In the last few years my thoughts about marriage h...In the last few years my thoughts about marriage have changed - I'm talking about the kind of 'choosing your own partner' - not arranged.<BR/><BR/>With so many people living together before, premarital sex, then the amount of cheating on both sides during, plus the expense and hoopla associated with marriage, I think now days marriage isn't quite the sacrament it used to be - only for a special few.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-41992123017979386982009-01-22T16:23:00.000-08:002009-01-22T16:23:00.000-08:00Not to be contrary, but I know of two situations w...Not to be contrary, but I know of two situations where couples lived together for a long time --- one for eleven years the other for seven before they finally decided to make it official.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Very sadly in the first case the eleven-year union ended abruptly less than six months AFTER they tied the knot. <BR/><BR/><BR/>I knew the man involved very well, and he, himself could never explain why going through a marriage ceremony spoiled what had, apparently, been a wonderful relationship.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The second couple --- the two who first lived together for seven years without benefit of clergy --- got married, had a daughter, who turned out to be a brilliant over-achiever and are still very much together. They've been a pair for nigh onto fifty years now.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>"Who can explain it? Who can tell you why?" Fools give you reasons;wise men never try."<BR/><BR/><BR/>"One man's meat is another man's poison."</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>"Truth is stranger than fiction."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Very stimulating topic!<BR/><BR/>~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53733611997012502822009-01-22T16:12:00.000-08:002009-01-22T16:12:00.000-08:00Thanks, IHS. I was going to use that quote. It was...Thanks, IHS. I was going to use that quote. It was hammered into my head growing up. Women under-value themselves. So do men.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73569168387632662512009-01-22T15:15:00.000-08:002009-01-22T15:15:00.000-08:00Wonderful input, everyone..thanks.Ducky, thanks fo...Wonderful input, everyone..thanks.<BR/>Ducky, thanks for the movie recommendation..sounds really good.<BR/><BR/>FT...reading your comment is like being back in better times..words like respect, etc.....makes me feel odd; like we can't get something SO GOOD back. I love that your grandparents loved opera together!!<BR/><BR/>TONYC...REALLY good one!<BR/><BR/>Pinky..you GO, girl. That's the way it should be.<BR/><BR/>My own VERY dear friend got married recently after having lived some months with his lover; he finally said "I can't DO this...I just have to get married, it feels wrong" They're married!!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17049243969896277142009-01-22T15:11:00.000-08:002009-01-22T15:11:00.000-08:00Pinky, you said,"I'm thinking...if he's not willin...Pinky, you said,"I'm thinking...if he's not willing to marry, why be with him? I consider myself HIGHLY VALUABLE, and anyone who doesn't needs to move on."<BR/><BR/>BRAVO! Now, if evry woman said and meant it I believe you would find that the majority of guys don't want to get married. <BR/><BR/>I mean really why buy the cow when you're getting all the milk you want for free.<BR/><BR/>Blessings.I.H.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03861841487009504207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-65904534219456312502009-01-22T14:59:00.000-08:002009-01-22T14:59:00.000-08:00We read quite a few primary sources in class and a...We read quite a few primary sources in class and a lot of them are about everyday people. As some have said happiness was not something that was written about too extensively. <BR/><BR/>I believe people had a very strong sense of duty that precluded other less important feelings. Probably that strong Puritan work ethic thing. <BR/><BR/>Arranged marriages is certainly an interesting topic. My great grandparents were an arranged marriage, both from Germany, she from Koblenz, he from Saxony. She emmigrated in 1885, he in 1887 and they were married in 1888. My grandfather was born in 1889.<BR/><BR/>Interesting times.Law and Order Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11069306257334186404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57459217074104818342009-01-22T13:52:00.000-08:002009-01-22T13:52:00.000-08:00Arranged marriage would probably kill me.Living to...Arranged marriage would probably kill me.<BR/><BR/>Living together prior to marriage scares me as a woman. I'm thinking...if he's not willing to marry, why be with him? I consider myself HIGHLY VALUABLE, and anyone who doesn't needs to move on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com