tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post2611372425805639048..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Illegals are suing Citizens...how long did YOU think this would take to happen?Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-46603290968162648532010-05-29T11:28:53.375-07:002010-05-29T11:28:53.375-07:00I never have -- and never could -- hate anything a...I never have -- and never could -- hate anything about you, Faith. At least that much is true.<br /><br />We may disagree, and occasionally get peeved with one another, but extreme dislike would be impossible. I have always doubted we are as far apart as you may believe. <br /><br />I am quite sure that WE need GOD, but I am not at all sure the HE needs US.<br /><br />Like many other species that have become extinct we too may pass from this earth eventually, but GOD will ALWAYS be. There is joy in acknowledging His Omnipotence, Omniscience and Omnipresence. <br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-7793038638625242102010-05-28T21:28:48.490-07:002010-05-28T21:28:48.490-07:00FT, I'm sure you are quite sincere and your be...FT, I'm sure you are quite sincere and your beliefs are pretty consistent too, but I'm sorry to say utterly at odds with God's revelation. You have NO idea what the gospel of salvation is all about - and that has to be because you reject so much of what the Bible has to say in favor of the parts you happen to like personally. <br /><br />Embrace it ALL. You say it takes humility to follow God, right? The first step of humility is to admit HE's right, I'M wrong, no matter what it costs and it can cost a lot, as Jesus Himself says -- "take up your cross and follow Me" and Matthew 10:37-38: "He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."<br /><br />Most of today's church doesn't seem to know this, unfortunately, as they are into a God who seeks to please US and fulfill US and take care of US rather than a God who demands everything FROM us for His own sake. <br /><br />We all have to go through this giving up of self -- it's a real loss, a real death, -- even the "circumcision" of the fleshly life, and it hurts. But it's the narrow way and the strait gate and the only way to Christ. It costs us many of our most cherished beliefs to submit to His rule. But oh the vistas that open and the comforts that descend when you do.<br /><br />Of course I know you hate my doctrine as much as I hate yours.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-87500505482414195762010-05-28T15:38:47.131-07:002010-05-28T15:38:47.131-07:00Faith,
I agree that it would be much better if pe...Faith,<br /><br />I agree that it would be much better if people woke up and realized how vain and foolish most of the things they think they "have" to have really are.<br /><br />And I agree completely that a PUBLIC CONSCIOUSNESS and RECOGNITION of God's Presence was a vital factor in our development, even as I believe we ALWAYS fell far short of the professed ideals.<br /><br />Not even to PROFESS those ideals any longer -- out of deference to non-believers -- puts us in a very weak position, indeed.<br /><br />It is not "hypocrisy" to aim high, even though we know we are bound always to fall short. <br /><br />If we do not TRY to reach God we will only fall deeper and deeper into the trough.<br /><br />However, it is entirely possible that all the travails and transgressions we lament today MAY only be the tiniest blip on the horizon from the perspective of Eternity.<br /><br />God's time is so different from ours we cannot begin to imagine how it must be for Him. "A thousand ages in Thy sight are but an evening gone."<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-82323931837499477602010-05-27T21:20:14.781-07:002010-05-27T21:20:14.781-07:00Well, I think the nation needs to repent. At leas...Well, I think the nation needs to repent. At least the churches should do this since our leaders have abandoned that job, call for days of fasting and prayer and repentance on behalf of the nation. Oh yes we USED to be a Christian nation, oh yes we did. Even our Presidents called for fasting and prayer for the nation, and recognized the danger of being out of God's will. But now at least the churches should do it -- ALL the true churches. Then I think we'd see things change for the better. Not until.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-61747134499656741202010-05-27T17:53:17.465-07:002010-05-27T17:53:17.465-07:00You could be right, Faith. I am not sure, but ther...You could be right, Faith. I am not sure, but there certainly seems to be some kind of Natural Law of Retribution at work. And we must not forget that NO Civilization has lasted very long in the great scheme of things, and that no society ever achieved perfection.<br /><br />If we ever were in touch with God and truly obedient to the law as written in the Bible, we certainly have lost touch with that kind of purity, but I doubt any segment of humanity ever achieved that state of blessedness <i>en masse</i>. Just a few rare individuals here and there.<br /><br />While I'm piling up clichés, I'll add that I believe "virtue is its own reward," and vice versa.<br /><br />Most of our troubles as a species comes from WILLFULNESs and the desire to DOMINATE others. <br /><br />Those very human failings set up "waves" of action and reaction that last millennia and cause great pain and suffering for countless millions. <br /><br />In a very real sense life is like the ocean, itself, which never rests, never ceases and allows for no stability ever.<br /><br />It can't be fought, so perhaps, it's best to let the currents take you wherever they will trusting all the while that God ALWAYS puts you where you OUGHT to be no matter what your situation may FEEL like?<br /><br />We make ourselves desperately unhappy trying to make life something it was very likely never intended to be.<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-21070503370070787012010-05-27T17:53:00.487-07:002010-05-27T17:53:00.487-07:00You could be right, Faith. I am not sure, but ther...You could be right, Faith. I am not sure, but there certainly seems to be some kind of Natural Law of Retribution at work. And we must not forget that NO Civilization has lasted very long in the great scheme of things, and that no society ever achieved perfection.<br /><br />If we ever were in touch with God and truly obedient to the law as written in the Bible, we certainly have lost touch with that kind of purity, but I doubt any segment of humanity ever achieved that state of blessedness <i>en masse</i>. Just a few rare individuals here and there.<br /><br />While I'm piling up clichés, I'll add that I believe "virtue is its own reward," and vice versa.<br /><br />Most of our troubles as a species comes from WILLFULNESs and the desire to DOMINATE others. <br /><br />Those very human failings set up "waves" of action and reaction that last millennia and cause great pain and suffering for countless millions. <br /><br />In a very real sense life is like the ocean, itself, which never rests, never ceases and allows for no stability ever.<br /><br />It can't be fought, so perhaps, it's best to let the currents take you wherever they will trusting all the while that God ALWAYS puts you where you OUGHT to be no matter what your situation may FEEL like?<br /><br />We make ourselves desperately unhappy trying to make life something it was very likely never intended to be.<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-42830065749809205822010-05-27T15:14:22.060-07:002010-05-27T15:14:22.060-07:00I look at it merely as a question of fact and prac...I look at it merely as a question of fact and practicality. If this is God's judgment then fighting it isn't going to get us very far much as I sympathize with the desire to fight it. <br /><br />I found out that some were ethically opposed to our acquisition of the land at the time but I haven't found out more.<br /><br />If we paid a reasonable price for it or if the war were just (there is such a thing) then we wouldn't be under God's judgment -- not all land transactions are stealing, of course -- but I don't know those things in this case, and was shocked when I heard it from that preacher that it might not have been fair.<br /><br />In any case I've needed an explanation for how all this got so out of hand, how we can have so many in our midst who hate this nation and are allowing this kind of encroachment and calling it just. It's so crazy it needs a supernatural explanation.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-56762140353823888632010-05-27T13:58:28.867-07:002010-05-27T13:58:28.867-07:00As for the "We stole Mexico from the Mexicans...As for the "We stole Mexico from the Mexicans, so therefore it's only right that god judge us harshly" argument, we'd have to then to say that <b>EVERY SINGLE SQUARE INCH oF TERRITORY in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY TODAY was at one time or another STOLEN from SOMEONE who had previously STOLEN it from SOMEONE ELSE</b>.<br /><br />The tradition of evil usurpation goes all the way back to Cain and Abel and Joseph and his Brothers -- and probably MUCH earlier.<br /><br />So I have formed the opinion that ALL the suffering and hideous injustice perpetrated EVERYWHERE is in effect God's Judgment on the hopelessly flawed motivations and actions of the entire human race since the beginning of time.<br /><br />So, I agree with you, Faith, but more from the perspective of Eternity than any localized bit of history.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-75276739438780590972010-05-27T13:50:22.969-07:002010-05-27T13:50:22.969-07:00What's disgusting?
The PICTURE of all that fi...What's disgusting?<br /><br />The PICTURE of all that filth and garbage for one thing. The very fact that an ILLEGAL ALIEN is ABLE to sue ANY UNITED STATES CITIZEN for anything is another.<br /><br />The thread moved very far away from the topic presented.<br /><br />And, as you said, dear Faith, the misunderstandings are so thorny and prolific it's too exhausting even the think of sorting them out.<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83181395200020630542010-05-26T19:15:09.021-07:002010-05-26T19:15:09.021-07:00I did find this statement about that war:
As late...I did find <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War" rel="nofollow">this statement about that war</a>:<br /><br /><i>As late as 1880 the "Republican Campaign Textbook" by the Republican Congressional Committee[62] described the war as "Feculent, reeking Corruption" and "one of the darkest scenes in our history - a war forced upon our and the Mexican people by the high-handed usurpations of Pres't Polk in pursuit of territorial aggrandizement of the slave oligarchy."</i>Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-70881976686647712202010-05-26T19:00:54.557-07:002010-05-26T19:00:54.557-07:00This is getting out of control, Z. The misunderst...This is getting out of control, Z. The misunderstandings are just proliferating. I could try to sort them out but it's probably best just to drop the whole thing. <br /><br />However, I do know about the preacher that he isn't a liberal. Conservative preachers also recognize when the nation needs repentance, and a few of them preached repentance at 9/11 too, recognizing it as God's judgment. <br /><br />But he is the only one I've ever heard suggest that we were unfair to Mexico in that exchange and I'd still like to know more about that piece of history. The illegal aliens problem WOULD be eye for an eye in that case, don't you agree? <br /><br />I guess I'll go research it.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67723591186733241982010-05-26T17:50:10.388-07:002010-05-26T17:50:10.388-07:00Faith, I do not take umbrage with an eye for an ey...Faith, I do not take umbrage with an eye for an eye, please read my comment again...I only think the MX situation is not one which is straightforward enough for God to get upset, it's liberal crap that we stole, we FOUGHT WARS for that land, mostly.........and I'd say that, with abortion and other very unbiblical stuff going on today, God's got much more important things to talk about than Mexico.<br />I also think that pastor sounds like one of those SOCIAL JUSTICE jerks, don't you? That theme is their mantra, that MX v the BIG HORRID AMERICA (which pays for every MX who wants a hand out, which I'd have thought God might think was a very sweet thing to do?) (if you don't really know Scripture, but I know you do :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-56413177326384333592010-05-26T15:26:57.123-07:002010-05-26T15:26:57.123-07:00OK, I'll bite. WHAT's disgusting?OK, I'll bite. WHAT's disgusting?Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18953327285720313812010-05-26T13:00:52.599-07:002010-05-26T13:00:52.599-07:00YUCK POO!
DISGUSTING!
~ FTYUCK POO!<br /><br />DISGUSTING!<br /><br />~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-11959766566887156862010-05-26T12:12:15.964-07:002010-05-26T12:12:15.964-07:00FT, I honestly have no idea why you are saying wha...FT, I honestly have no idea why you are saying what you are saying in this context. I'm still surprised that anyone would take issue with that quote. <br /><br />Nobody was talking about "being godly," I was talking about a sermon I once heard about how America was unfair to Mexico in how we acquired the Southwest, and that our flood of illegal aliens and all the attendant insanity that backs it up is likely God's judgment for that injustice. <br /><br />Pris and Z both took issue with that as well, but it makes perfect sense to me. <i>Eye for an eye IS God's law</i> as the Major said, and that means the punishment fits the crime, as it would if this is the case. <br /><br />The only question I had in MY mind was how we were unfair to Mexico. I know we had a war, and I know we paid something for the territory too. I'd like to know more about it. Can you help me out? (It would be nice to have a solution to the illegals problem). <br /><br />And really, I think ANY Christian ought to be able to "speak for God" when it comes to principles laid out in the Bible, and the principles of His law ARE laid out in the Bible and various examples of how He applied it against various nations including Israel are also laid out in the Bible. NOT to be able to draw inferences from such information about our own situation is to fail at Biblical understanding. The Old Testament was "given for our admonition" so we need to learn to let it admonish us.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-76774611324921373572010-05-26T10:24:56.574-07:002010-05-26T10:24:56.574-07:00I'm sorry for the incomplete thought. What I M...I'm sorry for the incomplete thought. What I MEANT to say, of course, was:<br /><br /><i>in order to devote ourselves to being godly, we first have to know who and what God really is. The memorization and recitation of mere words even though they are written in the Bible <a rel="nofollow"><b>is not enough</b></a>. <br /><br />It takes UNDERSTANDING of what those words IMPLY. Very few have that, and those that do have it imperfectly.</i><br /><br />Also, I would say to Faith and others that it doesn't matter so much who <i>originated</i> the remark: <i><b>“... my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side."</b></i> as the quality and essential veracity of the words themselves.<br /><br />It's like the questions that arise about the the authenticity of William Shakespeare as the author of all that glorious blank verse.<br /><br />Who could possibly care, except maybe Ann Hathaway and the children she had while married to William -- and they're all dead?<br /><br />No. If they have any merit, the <i>works</i> live on long after the authors have been laid to rest, and it is the <b><i>works</i></b> about which we should concern ourselves.<br /><br />All of which is another way of saying that "SPIRIT is the real and eternal, <i>[while]</i> MATTER is the unreal and temporal."<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64730343845103621422010-05-26T08:06:04.696-07:002010-05-26T08:06:04.696-07:00Weird. That's a famous quote of Lincoln, quot...Weird. That's a famous quote of Lincoln, quoted by politicians all the time, but it's been treated as if I made it up AND being argued with too? <br /><br /><i> “Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side </i>Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66647008706782172052010-05-26T06:27:50.806-07:002010-05-26T06:27:50.806-07:00Faith's right. It IS all about being on GOD...Faith's right. It IS all about being on GOD's side. If we are on HIS side, then we don't have any need to worry about His being on OURS.<br /><br />BUT in order to devote ourselves to being godly, we first have to know who and what God really is. The memorization and recitation of mere words even though they are written in the Bible. It takes UNDERSTANDING of what those words IMPLY. Very few have that, and those that do have it imperfectly.<br /><br />Humility is a prerequisite for knowing God.<br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35489613199808443782010-05-25T22:09:46.036-07:002010-05-25T22:09:46.036-07:00Good thing I don't need yours either since I&#...Good thing I don't need yours either since I'm not going to get it.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18270880919426433802010-05-25T21:47:56.321-07:002010-05-25T21:47:56.321-07:00"Wow, you don't get it at all Pris. There..."Wow, you don't get it at all Pris. There is absolutely NOTHING God is not involved in and it's suicidal to pretend otherwise."<br /><br />I never said He wasn't. However, I don't necessarily put a lot of stock in every preacher that comes down the pike. <br /><br />Neither am I presumptuous enough to speak for God. I'll just hold on to my faith as I always have, with or without your approval. That is something I don't feel the need for.<br /><br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83291690431785793452010-05-25T21:05:11.927-07:002010-05-25T21:05:11.927-07:00I'm sick of it too, Major. I hope God blesses...I'm sick of it too, Major. I hope God blesses SOME of our efforts. I just have this nagging feeling He may not bless many of them. Man proposes but God disposes. Etc.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19827173237034438222010-05-25T21:03:07.557-07:002010-05-25T21:03:07.557-07:00Oh well.Oh well.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-75124217142566442832010-05-25T20:30:30.123-07:002010-05-25T20:30:30.123-07:00Faith, you can say this to ME? "we should jum...Faith, you can say this to ME? "we should jump for joy and not fight it?"<br /><br />Are you joking?<br /><br />I believe our dumping Israel in the mud and abortion are definitely getting us on the wrong side of God and I think he's patient as hell and eager for more and more people to have eternal life in His kingdom..<br /><br />I just don't think our buying MX for cheap or whatever is pushing His buttons, but I DON'T KNOW...and how can we discuss His desires and anger? WE do not know.<br />We do know he can't be happy with America........look at how we took prayer out of the classroom and our kids are so immoral and so screwed up now it's almost unbelievable..that's no accident.<br /><br />"our being on God's side" is RIDICULOUS as if WE ARE IN CONTROL? I agree with you......it's whose side HE is on who's blessed. <br />How he can bless America now is beyond me..but He'll never let HIS PEOPLE DOWN.<br />And I just don't think MX's treatment is quite as egregious as abortion, homosexuality, screwing Israel and getting God out of our public life. THOSe are REAL ISSUES, if I were to speak for HIM, of course :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-63560315137636846612010-05-25T20:18:11.494-07:002010-05-25T20:18:11.494-07:00"If it's God's judgment we CANNOT suc...<b><i>"If it's God's judgment we CANNOT succeed, we HAVE to repent."</i></b><br /><br /><br />Sorry Faith...but it's also time for an old bible quote.."an Eye for an eye"....I'm sick of seeing my country being lectured to by snobs, parasites, shithead liberals, mexican dictators, complicit , treasonous, seditious liberal congress mutts who actually applaud anarchy and chaos...and a weak kneed state department.<br /><br />It's time for a fight...and Arizona is ready...and from what I read...17 other states are ready to do the same. The illegals and latinos...have finally overplayed their hand. And over 70% of Americans agree. So hey pendajos...keep waving your mexican colors in our faces...we love it when you show all of us where your allegiances really lie.<br /><br />MajorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57042101957490587222010-05-25T19:37:11.736-07:002010-05-25T19:37:11.736-07:00Today's Christians are a biblically weak lot, ...Today's Christians are a biblically weak lot, that's all I can say. The Christians of the first generations of this nation knew that God judges nations, but today's Christians seem never to have heard of such a thing. Even Lincoln, not a great Christian as far as I know, with a wife who was into spiritism anyway, knew enough to say that we shouldn't be as concerned about God's being on our side as our being on God's side. Whatever happened to that wisdom in this nation? No wonder we're on the brink of destruction.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.com