tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post267790413069850915..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: The Phantom Conservative suggests...........Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-56499692295625153552011-10-04T07:43:22.181-07:002011-10-04T07:43:22.181-07:00Bob, I wasn't advocating for additional taxes,...Bob, I wasn't advocating for additional taxes, like the post from Phantom, I was merely pointing out a fact, the GOP currently is going to oppose every type of tax increase.<br /><br />Now Z seemed to disagree with me, but from the posts here, at least her commenters agree, no new taxes of any kind whatsoever.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66772457593027500972011-10-04T07:30:31.848-07:002011-10-04T07:30:31.848-07:00...is it tea-time again? hmm. ;)...is it <a href="http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rgs/alice-VII.html" rel="nofollow">tea-time</a> again? hmm. ;)nicraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18405719003477902855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5564667752892362432011-10-04T07:26:07.092-07:002011-10-04T07:26:07.092-07:00Beamish, I happen to know several people who'd...Beamish, I happen to know several people who'd probably starve to death with social security and medicare. Two particularly, and we're not a large congregation. <br />Never married, never well educated, worked hard their whole lives, no family, and are lucky to be getting something at all.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-61968817749001172632011-10-03T23:42:16.508-07:002011-10-03T23:42:16.508-07:00"Easy to blow holes in most any suggestion, s...<i>"Easy to blow holes in most any suggestion, so why does he (Z: Beamish, particularly) not come up with solutions himself??????</i><br /><br />My solution would seek to penalize the cause of the debt in the first place.<br /><br />The Supreme Court has already ruled, in <i>Flemming v. Nestor</i> (1960), that Congress can cancel entitlement programs and deny "promised" benefits AT ANY TIME.<br /><br />Of course, this prospect ruffles the feathers of the far-left communists (such as the Tea Party "movement") who have planned all their lives to retire as wards of the state. <br /><br />Never will you hear one of these whining twits from the Tea Party or any other of their fellow far leftists give even a ballpark figure of how many people would starve to death without Social Security and Medicare... even worse, they cry that eliminating those debt-generating programs would adversely affect people who haven't even retired yet to begin living off of them! <br /><br />The Baby Boomer "entitle me" generation is bought and paid for, and you'll play hell trying to get them to ever actually pay for themselves. <br /><br />Honest discussion is out of the question. It's not "politically correct" to call a socialist parasite a socialist parasite.<br /><br />So, we'll always have a group on the American body politic screaming "don't touch my cancerous growth!" <br /><br />Thus, we'll never get debt under control as "obligations" continue to increase.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57137489411701464852011-10-03T20:09:22.981-07:002011-10-03T20:09:22.981-07:00Pris, you make some excellent points there, thanks...Pris, you make some excellent points there, thanks.<br /><br />Bob...GREAT ideas. Will make sure my good buddy in Spokane (the PHANTOM) reads this.<br /><br />He appreciates all your comments, everyone, and adds:<br /><br />"Easy to blow holes in most any suggestion, so why does he (Z: Beamish, particularly) not come up with solutions himself?????? None of us like the idea of more taxes, but the reality is that we have a problem and it needs to be addressed, so this addresses it to some degree, but it is fair and everyone chips in from the top to the bottom."<br /><br />trueZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17547950870959290392011-10-03T19:27:55.067-07:002011-10-03T19:27:55.067-07:00Thus sayeth Z, "Bob, what would YOU cut out &...Thus sayeth Z, <b>"Bob, what would YOU cut out "</b><br /><br />1. Kill Obama care.<br />2. Cut all departmental budgets by 10% across the board.<br />3. Go to a zero based budget system, thereby forcing all government agencies to justify their existence.<br />4. Stop all agricultural subsidies.<br />5. Cut out all government subsidies for energy efficiencies. Let the market choose the winners.<br />6. Eliminate the EPA. We can start all over, there, and not kill our economy with brain dead regulations.<br /><br />There are lots of things we can do without raising taxes. Taxes kill economic activity.<br /><br />We don't need no stinking taxes.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-84797993927067727672011-10-03T19:17:58.703-07:002011-10-03T19:17:58.703-07:00"No less convenient is your having no choice ..."No less convenient is your having no choice when you were born than your deciding people not even born yet should pay for your parasitism."<br /><br />beamish, <br />Mr. Pris and I didn't have the option of deciding whether we had to pay for over fifty years, into SS, either. We just did it because we had no choice just like you.<br /><br />Funny isn't it, we didn't feel sorry for ourselves having to pay for others to receive it either. <br /><br />You can claim tongue in cheek all you want, but I haven't forgotten your absolute disdain for the elderly, over and over again. Actually, I don't give a damn how sorry you feel for yourelf.<br /><br />Instead of blaming politicians for confiscating this money, you blame people who had no more choice than you do. <br /><br />It's time to get real and take control of your own life decisons, instead of resenting people who have been in the same position you are.Prishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797497106506468128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-80608291819489037622011-10-03T18:32:31.735-07:002011-10-03T18:32:31.735-07:00"What then?"
He'll have his army of...<b><i>"What then?"</i></b><br /><br />He'll have his army of the people. Armed with shovels, axes, picks, clubs, sticks and other "shovel" ready implements...<br /><br />then they'll get spiffy tan uniforms, armbands and berets. Malik Shabazz will become their General. And they'll guard all the polling places legally, now. Holder will be their chief counsel.<br /><br />It's all simple to see.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-33991198331456206222011-10-03T17:10:31.172-07:002011-10-03T17:10:31.172-07:00Average American; Obama says he wants to hire peo...Average American; Obama says he wants to hire people by the droves...maybe he'll even consider spending some of that Stimulus MOney nobody can find. But, while that's MAKING JOBS, it's unsustainable...it's US giving US jobs that won't last because once the project's over, the worker's OVER.<br /><br />What then?<br /><br />Do you think he even understands private enterprise jobs? Do you think he even believes in the kind where businesses do well, hire people, and everybody thrives?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-47898850504405001252011-10-03T16:51:20.867-07:002011-10-03T16:51:20.867-07:00When those IDIOTS in DC finally figure out that pu...When those IDIOTS in DC finally figure out that putting people back to work WILL INCREASE REVENUES, and at the same time REDUCE SPENDING, maybe they will try a bit harder to actually get more jobs!! People working will be paying taxes AND collecting less freebies. Why do they think that things have gotten so much worse over the past few years? It's almost ALL because of the unemployment!!---well that plus out of control spending by Bush and NObama. Jesus, what do I have to do, run for President myself?? You want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Maybe that old saying is right after all.Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211406136371011324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-20815896021119175772011-10-03T16:49:54.919-07:002011-10-03T16:49:54.919-07:00Beamish "Sorry, my email is quarantined at th...Beamish "Sorry, my email is quarantined at the moment. I rarely check that account anymore."<br /><br />I meant I had to explain your comments and opinions (not an easy fete) to my friend "Phantom" via HIS email :-)<br /><br />"My first two posts were the "serious" reply. The third post was me throwing a firebomb ;)"<br /><br />That's what I thought..thanks!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27083395112948674552011-10-03T15:52:37.499-07:002011-10-03T15:52:37.499-07:00As for you Beamish, you're not racist, or sexi...<i>As for you Beamish, you're not racist, or sexist, you're an ageist. Btw, when were you born, 1970? How convenient!</i><br /><br />No less convenient is your having no choice when you were born than your deciding people not even born yet should pay for your parasitism.<br /><br /><i>But no worries, if Obamacare isn't overturned, we seniors will be rationed into an early grave. That should make you jump with joy.</i><br /><br />Shovel ready jobs for everyone!(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27414725515898141272011-10-03T15:49:23.355-07:002011-10-03T15:49:23.355-07:00Beamish, not sure which part of your comments duri...<i>Beamish, not sure which part of your comments during which your tongue was stuck in your cheek because I recognize some sentiments I believe you DO hold, so it'll be difficult to explain for me to explain to my friend the the PHANTOM what you're about for him to get a better grasp of what you're saying...but I'll try via email.</i><br /><br />Sorry, my email is quarantined at the moment. I rarely check that account anymore.<br /><br />My first two posts were the "serious" reply. The third post was me throwing a firebomb ;)(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-43470557369993642142011-10-03T15:46:44.119-07:002011-10-03T15:46:44.119-07:00Agreed, the military costs far too much, produces ...<i>Agreed, the military costs far too much, produces little of lasting value and needs drastic cuts.</i><br /><br />Heh. <br /><br />And he posted it on DARPAnet too.<br /><br />::laughs at Ducky mercilessly::(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79512962071774243152011-10-03T11:54:25.406-07:002011-10-03T11:54:25.406-07:00Repeat after me, and over meaningless socialist qu...Repeat after me, and over meaningless socialist quacking,<br />STOP SPENDING MY MONEY!<br />~ WillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-4552477063525340332011-10-03T11:52:58.271-07:002011-10-03T11:52:58.271-07:00so tired of hearing about these control freaks in ...so tired of hearing about these control freaks in govt Z...good gosh.WomanHonorThyselfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211851365273181636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64934807488566397102011-10-03T11:46:54.432-07:002011-10-03T11:46:54.432-07:00A) The government doesn't need any more money ...<b>A)</b> The government doesn't need any more money to spend; and <br /><br /><b>B)</b> I'm all for cutting taxes (starting with eliminating the income tax) and cutting spending but it's a futile; meaningless effort that doesn't address the cancerous tumor that is the United States' monetary system. <br /><br />Big deal if you can get $500 billion in immediate cuts (you won't with this lot), you've still neglected to deal with the Federal Reserve that lent out $16 Trillion dollars ($3 Trillion going to foreign banks).<br /><br />[Sigh....] some just can't seem to see the forest for the trees.cwhiatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492547034803381135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-89046290887621429022011-10-03T11:12:29.151-07:002011-10-03T11:12:29.151-07:00It would require another agency, a bloated bureauc...It would require another agency, a bloated bureaucracy to do so little.<br /><br />As to a balanced budget amendent, i blogged on the subject and all it does is open the gates for more abuse.<br /><br />The Constitution is clear on spending but it is ignored.<br /><br />Should a BBA be ratified the result would be to finish off what little is left of our existing Constitution of enumerated powers; and create a new system where Congress’unconstitutional legislation & spending is legitimized – as long as it is no more than 20% of the GDP.<br />And since Congress, the executive branch and the judicial branch already ignore the limitations the existing Constitution places on their powers (they have no lawful authority outside of their enumerated powers); it would be no time at all before they ignore the 20% limit on spending. This “emergency” or that “emergency” would arise; and soon the 20% limit would be ignored as well.<br /><br />So if the BBA is not the answer and if Congress has the powers to control spending, Why don’t they control their spending now? The Republicans control the House – NO spending can get through the House unless the Republicans approve it. So if the Republicans really wanted to control spending and balance the budget, they could do it now. Why don’t they do it? Because they don’t want to. <br /><br />You mean they are lying to We The People? Yep , it would appear so or else they are so stupid that they don't know or understand the Constitutional powers given to each Branch of the Government. I'd say probably a good combination of both.<br /><br />Basically the BBA would only legitimize the unconstitutional spending that they are doing now.<br /><br />So a 1% tax is just a door for more bureaucracy and a BBA would only destroy what is left of the enumuration of powers as set forth in the Constitution. <br /><br />The only way is to STOP SPENDING on useless programs and useless agencies such as EPA and Dept of Education and a whole list of others. Kill the economy killing regulations and bingo, money in the bank to pay down the debt. Return Education back to the States and Bingo a few more Billion back to solving the debt problem. <br /><br />A flat tax would eliminate the need for 80% of the IRS bureaucracy.<br /><br />Need I go on?Tickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500388925461726862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-7106534011808909382011-10-03T10:50:02.389-07:002011-10-03T10:50:02.389-07:00"what would YOU cut out that you think could ...<b><i>"what would YOU cut out that you think could make any significant dent in our debt and put us on a right track"</i></b><br /><br />My 2 cents? I couldn't resist Z. EPA, IRS, DOE, Housing.<br /><br />Flat tax of 15% for everyone. EPA is a job killer. Let the states set their standards. Those who don't wish to explore for gas / oil...pay triple for the privilege of using other states resources.<br /><br />Leave Education / Housing up to the states. Restore the power of the 10 Amendment.<br /><br />We need a National Defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39415568432986916122011-10-03T09:52:56.190-07:002011-10-03T09:52:56.190-07:00Bob, what would YOU cut out that you think could m...Bob, what would YOU cut out that you think could make any significant dent in our debt and put us on a right track without putting starving and sick people in the streets?<br /><br />Are you more for moving things to the States, though most of them are nearly or totally bankrupt by now, too?<br /><br />Playing devil's advocate here, but only a little..........:-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12893838795092815232011-10-03T09:50:15.401-07:002011-10-03T09:50:15.401-07:00Dave says: "Their view is one of only cutting...Dave says: <b>"Their view is one of only cutting spending, and only on certain types of programs."</b><br /><br />Dave, I think you are being myopic in you assessment of the conservative position on taxes. Additional taxes <i>always</i> result in decreased economic activity. Taxes remove money from the economy much in the same way blocking gasoline to a gasoline engine slows that machine. <br /><br />The popular device of taxing the rich (who already pay most of the income taxes, percentage wise and dollar wise) would be a double strike against economic activity. <br /><br />First, like all taxes, money would be deterred from consumption and investing. <br /><br />Secondly, taxing these people (individual, S-Corp, LLC,etc) even more will contribute to additional unemployment. <br /><br />This is not magic, it is basic economics.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50198880170066252732011-10-03T09:32:56.147-07:002011-10-03T09:32:56.147-07:00And Beamish speaketh:
"First, we should remo...And Beamish speaketh:<br /><b><br />"First, we should remove voting rights from every American born before 1965.<br /><br />Second, we should seize every asset of every American citizen born before 1965.<br /><br />Third...no other Baby Boomer-like group of parasites can come along and abuse the privilege of being American.<br /><br />Fourth, we should eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid,..."<br /></b><br /><br />I guess Beamish was born an orphan in 1965. <br /><br />As phar as the phantom goes, stop creating additional government bureaucracies. Additional taxes will not solve the problem, and creating another level of government makes the problem worse.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-24604220069318853862011-10-03T09:25:01.749-07:002011-10-03T09:25:01.749-07:00Phantom's plans included very stringent laws a...Phantom's plans included very stringent laws about what Congress could do with this 1% and how it would be administered, and I would like to think that COngress would heed those restrictions but most of you are probably right....<br />who knows what could happen?<br /><br />I am getting more and more sure cutting spending isn't going to make a dent but I hope that's just me.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-76264222468697021692011-10-03T09:20:40.586-07:002011-10-03T09:20:40.586-07:00Z, Roseanne Barr is yelling fire in a crowded thea...Z, Roseanne Barr is yelling fire in a crowded theater. There's free speech and then there's inciting violence. <br /><br />But what can we expect from a Regressive? Yes she want's to bring the guillotine to the US. <br /><br />I thought liberals were against the death penalty, didn't you? Or does that only only apply to cop killers?Prishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797497106506468128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67970143136587788132011-10-03T09:04:28.957-07:002011-10-03T09:04:28.957-07:00I agree with BZ. History shows, when it comes to t...I agree with BZ. History shows, when it comes to taxes, no matter how it's set up, or sold to the people, the result is always the same.<br /><br />Furthermore, just look back at how Social Security was set up. In a fund which would gain interest, and grow over time. <br /><br />Plus of course in those days our lifespan was in the 60's, the same age bracket one could receive SS payments.<br /><br />However, the promise of a fund, was changed when under LBJ, Congress was allowed to "borrow" that money and it went into the general fund. The SS fund is a myth, and is now, nothing but IOUs, and meaningless. It doesn't exist.<br /><br />But how else was LBJ going to pay for his war on poverty except to steal from the future? Now we have a new war on poverty, only this time, it'll cost a hell of a lot more, including what remains of our freedom.<br /><br />The money for SS is in the payroll tax, and employers' tax as well, and Congress spends it! Not only that, but for people like Mr. Pris and I, we pay taxes on over 80% of our SS. In other words a tax, on a tax. <br /><br />I figure it won't be long now, before we're paying taxes on 100% of our SS. Sweet deal for the government huh?<br /><br />I'm sorry to say, that while at first blush the 1% sounds reasonable, it'll go the way of all other methods of Congress confiscating our money, and end up spent, like all the rest.<br /><br /><br />As for you Beamish, you're not racist, or sexist, you're an ageist. Btw, when were you born, 1970? How convenient! <br /><br />But no worries, if Obamacare isn't overturned, we seniors will be rationed into an early grave. That should make you jump with joy.Prishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13797497106506468128noreply@blogger.com