tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post3700302577766999753..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Help us with this...........a question that we must find an answer to.........Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-92095805884186417612010-09-25T09:22:12.483-07:002010-09-25T09:22:12.483-07:00DEFIANT INFIDEL,
thanks so much....I hadn't r...DEFIANT INFIDEL, <br />thanks so much....I hadn't read all the comments before I posted to Sue. I simply can't understand how my words could be so misconstrued, but....<br />As you know, I appreciate you so much and am so glad you came by.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-82606389589336542852010-09-25T09:19:32.092-07:002010-09-25T09:19:32.092-07:00FB: I AGREE WITH YOU. FUNNY, THE DEMOCRATS ARE ...FB: I AGREE WITH YOU. FUNNY, THE DEMOCRATS ARE STATISTICALLY RICHER YET WE GET THE BRUNT OF THE 'NASTY RICH REPUBLICANS'...AND YES, WE WANT TO BRING UP THOSE WHO HAVE LESS BY TEACHING AND ENCOURAGING, AND THEY WANT TO HAND THINGS TO PEOPLE.<br />I THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF 'SPIRIT ' AND 'SELF RELIANCE' AND WE'RE CONSIDERED THE UNCOMPASSIONATE ONES BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN PEOPLE, THAT THEY DON'T NEED HAND OUTS..<br /><br />I REALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY HERE:<br />Once the left will stop depicting us as the bad, mean, white, rich people, then maybe we'll start compromising. I've heard all of those invalid criticisms on both sides of the ocean and am utterly sick and tired of it.<br /><br />The compassion you want and transform into policies makes economies weaker and individuals less compassionate. When the State takes over the business of compassion, people delegate and stop giving a damn. Especially once the economy has tanked.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30322214218422251582010-09-25T09:17:48.900-07:002010-09-25T09:17:48.900-07:00Sue, are you responding to me when you say
"Z...Sue, are you responding to me when you say<br />"Z - You are the one who wants to narrow the divide between left and right and make our country better.<br /><br />Yet when I said the 'shocking' things above, you showed that you couldn't deal with someone who thinks so differently than you."<br /><br />DOES THE COMMENT BELOW SUPPORT YOUR RESPONSE? HOW ARE MY REMARKS BELOW ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT YOU SUGGEST ABOVE? WHAT?<br /><br />"Sue, you have your reasons for feeling as you do and I have mine. You never disappoint me with any comments! I appreciate your honesty and think about your comments and 'try them on for size' against my thinking, and I think that's a good thing for us both...it stretches us, don't you think"<br /><br />MY GOSH, I'M TELLING YOU I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAY AND IT MAKES ME THINK AND YOU SAY THE ABOVE? WHY? IS IT YOU WHO 'EXPECTS THE OTHER PERSON TO AGREE'? I CERTAINLY DON'T EXPECT THAT OF YOU.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-21150708547234761252010-09-25T09:04:43.753-07:002010-09-25T09:04:43.753-07:00'So, now what do we do?'
Joe - This disag...'So, now what do we do?'<br /><br />Joe - This disagreement by parties will go on. That will never change.<br /><br />Some issuses will fade out and others will take their place.<br /><br />Most importantly, we will endure -because of the Constitution, laws and our right to vote.<br /><br />If you look back at the times when it seemed as if we couldn't survive - we did. And we will now.<br /><br />Last night I saw that Obama's approval rating has dropped even lower. If that doesn't change, the presidency could easily change hands.<br /><br />And it will go on...<br /><br />(And you, Joe, stick around, we need you.)suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12491152526100373732010-09-25T06:58:27.922-07:002010-09-25T06:58:27.922-07:00sue: I will gladly take the presidency in 2012 as ...sue: I will gladly take the presidency in 2012 as you offered. Thank you.<br /><br />The guns thing is a constitutional thing and not up for grabs.<br /><br />Abortion is more than a moral issue. While a woman SHOULD be able to do as she wishes with her own body, the body created in the heat of passion is not hers. Its DNA is different and it is connected with her through a life cord that keeps her body from rejecting it.<br /><br />I don't give a rip about homosexuals, I just don't want to change the definition of marriage, else we'll need another word to define IT.<br /><br />Christianity belongs anywhere and everywhere without restriction (as do other "religions")...it's guananteed in the constitution.<br /><br />I give you the embracing of all colors, races, creeds, etc.<br /><br />The Ground Zero mosque is inappropriate and I will oppose it till the day I die (stick around, it may not be all that long).<br /><br />See, here's the problem. You think what you think and I think what I think and we must find a way to live in the same great republic even though we think differently about it.<br /><br />The easiest way would be for you to just come over to my way of thinking.<br /><br />Since that is unlikely (as is its antithesis) we must choose to do it through some dispassionate agreement, which we call the Constitution, and through laws.<br /><br />So, now what do we do?Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09693381971064363612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17751130754928680072010-09-25T06:25:22.492-07:002010-09-25T06:25:22.492-07:00"In order to get along with the opposite side...<i>"In order to get along with the opposite side, you have to listen objectively. That doesn't mean you accept what they say. But listening to what the other person says is the beginning of getting along."</i><br /><br />She certainly listened and told you she did try your ideas on for size... As per normal liberal fashion, you create your own "facts" and ignore what she actually said. You're rude.<br /><br /><i>"That didn't happen here."</i><br /><br />You just didn't get the capitulation you plainly sought... so whine. Waaaaaaaah....<br /><br />We get along just dandy... You reside in the most incredible <b>REPUBLIC</b> (NOT Democracy) in the WORLD, right along with those of us who remember history's lessons accurately and without your insipid adulteration. If we on the right were truly the intolerant lot you guys constantly paint us as, we would purge our soil of your obstructive, disruptive, infectious cancer on our liberty.<br /><br />We don't, and you people continue to benefit and enjoy all of this countries' freedoms, while persistently trying to dismantle the rigid backbone that propagated them in the first place.<br /><br />Z, dear, <b>tolerant</b> and kind lady... as you well know, I agree with Grey Wolfe. Sad days are on our horizon...<br /><br />Take best care. ;)defiant_infidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12441668305187881824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37691240542257837202010-09-25T06:24:46.906-07:002010-09-25T06:24:46.906-07:00I've been watching this quietly and can no lon...I've been watching this quietly and can no longer continue...<br /><br />SUE said...<br /><br /><i>"Z - You are the one who wants to narrow the divide between left and right and make our country better."</i><br /><br />Actually, I think most of us simply want to return the country to its former original greatness and strength... I could give a rat's butt how much "better" left and right "get along". I'm not afraid of conflict or differences. That in fact was once one of our countries' proud STRENGTHS! We were never made to feel compelled to apologize for speaking out. In leftspeak, "getting along" means no dissension. If we disagree, we're radicals and/or racists. What simplistic bunk.<br /><br /><i>"Yet when I said the 'shocking' things above, you showed that you couldn't deal with someone who thinks so differently than you."</i><br /><br />She dealt with you politely and courteously... which obviously was undeserved. However, that is her nature and she renders it to all who visit here. She doesn't agree with you... read above.<br /><br />[comment continued in next frame... it was too long, I guess..]defiant_infidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12441668305187881824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39127767534454173612010-09-25T06:20:19.839-07:002010-09-25T06:20:19.839-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.defiant_infidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12441668305187881824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-77293290446140345902010-09-25T06:19:47.885-07:002010-09-25T06:19:47.885-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.defiant_infidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12441668305187881824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-92141473610319708402010-09-24T22:28:46.624-07:002010-09-24T22:28:46.624-07:00My platform is simple. Raise taxes on people that ...My platform is simple. Raise taxes on people that vote for Democrats to pay for tax cuts for people that vote for Republicans.<br /><br />Give the people what they want.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5771217502063001072010-09-24T22:27:54.776-07:002010-09-24T22:27:54.776-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-59353669110566467542010-09-24T21:17:24.798-07:002010-09-24T21:17:24.798-07:00Z - You are the one who wants to narrow the divide...Z - You are the one who wants to narrow the divide between left and right and make our country better.<br /><br />Yet when I said the 'shocking' things above, you showed that you couldn't deal with someone who thinks so differently than you.<br /><br />In order to get along with the opposite side, you have to listen objectively. That doesn't mean you accept what they say. But listening to what the other person says is the beginning of getting along.<br /><br />That didn't happen here.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2427296944867769882010-09-24T20:31:33.537-07:002010-09-24T20:31:33.537-07:00Z - In your post of September 15 you asked me to l...Z - In your post of September 15 you asked me to let you know how Bill Maher was doing this season.<br /><br />He is alive and well - better than ever.<br /><br />Your friend Andrew Breitbart was on the panel.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-91613828379275869892010-09-24T18:18:21.923-07:002010-09-24T18:18:21.923-07:00'What will it take to solve this enormous and ...'What will it take to solve this enormous and very angry divide'<br /><br />I knew this would happen. Our political beliefs run so deep that we simply cannot accept the other person's ideas.<br /><br />There is no solution until we are willing to meet halfway - and not expect the other person to agree with us.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-80432513083995726932010-09-24T17:59:55.562-07:002010-09-24T17:59:55.562-07:00Dave, I don't think it's the lack of compa...Dave, I don't think it's the lack of compassion that's the problem.<br /><br />I've seen more compassion, charity work and community service in the US than in France, a "liberal" and socialist country.<br /><br />This whole compassion thing is a total myth entertained by the left to guilt trip conservatives and get votes.<br /><br />I am not interested in feeling compassion for a lefty elitists who wants to restrict my liberty. But I have no problem feeling compassion for a kid that lives in a bad environment, like I did for 3 years with Big Brother Big Sisters.<br /><br />Once the left will stop depicting us as the bad, mean, white, rich people, then maybe we'll start compromising. I've heard all of those invalid criticisms on both sides of the ocean and am utterly sick and tired of it.<br /><br />The compassion you want and transform into policies makes economies weaker and individuals less compassionate. When the State takes over the business of compassion, people delegate and stop giving a damn. Especially once the economy has tanked.<br /><br />If I didn't have a brain, I'd be liberal dreamer like I was in college but numbers, life experience have taught me I was deluded back then.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19358050966923062272010-09-24T15:28:13.656-07:002010-09-24T15:28:13.656-07:00Greywolfe, so good to see you, thanks for your com...Greywolfe, so good to see you, thanks for your comment..I hate to admit it, but I fear you could be absolutely right.......<br />but, I think terrorism will get us first. Or Islam, one way or the other..either terror or Sharia..<br /><br />this whole thing, I believe, revolves around THE CONSTITUTION.<br /><br />WHen you have a pres who feels it's something to be put up with and adhered to only when it suits him, you've got problems...I swear, I could weep having just typed that.<br />come back soon, Greywolfe..Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37698250252813681912010-09-24T15:26:02.095-07:002010-09-24T15:26:02.095-07:00David, I could HUG you for this comment:
"Sin...David, I could HUG you for this comment:<br />"Since our country, whether we personally are or not, identifies as majority Christian, imagine if everyone in that group, [more than 80%] made a decision to live life as Paul admonished in his writings...<br />...living out our relationships humbly with each other, serving them, and considering others better than ourselves."<br /><br />THAT, (you won't like this, but it's true), is what Glenn Beck was ALL about at this rally recently..that's all. That's it in a nutshell. I absolutely agree with you...it's sort of my point when I had a blog 2 months or so ago about how capitalism can't work without Faith....people have to not want to take advantage of people for capitalism to continue; we've come so far from that mindset I have a fear about our future.<br />Just look at people crossing street these days! It's a tiny metaphor for NOT CARING..they don't even look at a stop sign to make sure you're going to stop! They just step off the curb, ipod in the ear, hearing nothing, seeing nothing and YOU are the responsible one, NOT THEM...<br />we need responsibility, we need people who care about others...to live like Paul, you're so right.<br />By the way, I'm glad you said Paul and not JESUS...you know those "what would Jesus do?" bracelets? "WWJD?" I always think it would be better substituting PAUL for Jesus, who the HECK could do what JESUS would do? NOne among us!<br /><br /><br />SOAPSTER, PLEASE see the words above, and the rest of D Miller's comments...this exactly the answer I'd like to have given you re how Christian faith can help this country...there it is; nobody means hanging pictures of Jesus all over the place, TRUST me.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-29259486760561055172010-09-24T14:24:13.670-07:002010-09-24T14:24:13.670-07:00I took a couple of days to think about this topic....I took a couple of days to think about this topic.<br /><br />Perhaps where we are is a result of so few of us really understanding and appreciating where the other is.<br /><br />WHen you are unable to even imagine the shoes of the other, let alone walk in them, it is hard to be compassionate and understanding of that persons views.<br /><br />Maybe what we need is a gigantic national exchange program.<br /><br />I live your reality for awhile, you live mine.<br /><br />I have found in my travels and life that when people get to really know each other, and their circumstances, the political divide seems to melt away and folks focus on the tough stuff like getting along, serving each other, moving ahead together.<br /><br />Since our country, whether we personally are or not, identifies as majority Christian, imagine if everyone in that group, [more than 80%] made a decision to live life as Paul admonished in his writings...<br /><br />...living out our relationships humbly with each other, serving them, and considering others better than ourselves.<br /><br />If we dedicated ourselves to that, we'd probably heal this mess pretty quick.<br /><br />All it would take would be for those of us [remember the 80%] who already claim CHrist in our lives to live those specific ideals.<br /><br />Just my opinion...<br /><br />And yes, I am a liberal idealist...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-43940606297859018802010-09-24T13:16:41.417-07:002010-09-24T13:16:41.417-07:00"You can keep your guns, with the exception o...<b>"You can keep your guns, with the exception of a stockpile of assault weapons and machine guns that shooters could get a hold of."</b><br /><br />WTF is that? There is no crime in owning what you deem to be "too" many firearms just as there is no crime in someone owning too much spare gasoline for their yard machines.<br /><br />If someone breaks into said resident's home and steals their firearms and goes out and kills a bunch of people then you've got a crime and as well you have a suspect. <br /><br />It's about high time we get off this minority report BS of criminalization where there ceases to exist a victim.cwhiatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00492547034803381135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-11374459567306349462010-09-24T12:39:58.499-07:002010-09-24T12:39:58.499-07:00Joe - 'a list of things you are willing to giv...Joe - 'a list of things you are willing to give to Conservatives<br />and a list of things you want to take from them.'<br /><br />This list will not have anything to do with Liberals in general - just me.<br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />I will give you the 2012 Presidency (provided it is not Sarah Palin.)<br /><br /><br />In return:<br /><br />You can keep your guns, with the exception of a stockpile of assault weapons and machine guns that shooters could get a hold of.<br /><br />Stop using abortion as a political issue. It is a serious moral issue that should be dealt with by the mother and FATHER and adoption -and God.<br /><br />Let homosexuals get married. Everyone will be happier - and really what's the big deal.<br /><br />Stop bringing Christianity into government. This is a country of all religions and even no religion.<br /><br />See America as a country that embraces all colors, races, creeds and whatever. It will never again be the country of the 50's. And that's ok.<br /><br />Let them build their mosque near Ground Zero. Aren't there more important things to worry about.<br /><br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br />Joe - even if you don't agree to my list, I still give you the 2012 presidency. What can it hurt?suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-1756303719571739802010-09-24T11:18:00.938-07:002010-09-24T11:18:00.938-07:00Joe - Check back later on that. I'm working o...Joe - Check back later on that. I'm working on it.suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469207337699004766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83709125318166151812010-09-24T09:07:18.184-07:002010-09-24T09:07:18.184-07:00"The real conservatives will have a lot of cl...<b><i><br /><br /><br />"The real conservatives will have a lot of cleaning up to do and they better be up to the task because “we the people” are fired up and mad as hell.<br /><br />The ‘constituency’ is going to start taking charge of the assholes who think they can call the shots and take bribes and back-room negotiations without consequences.<br /><br />You know what?<br /><br />I’m angry and so are many of my fellow patriots.<br /><br />0bama brought change alright! He opened our eyes to the Leftist SCUM.<br /><br />We are AWAKE.<br /><br />The bear has been POKED.<br /><br />We bite BACK.<br /><br />Semper Fidelis<br /><br />God and Country forever."<br /><br /></i></b>Majornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-9655939237859868462010-09-24T09:04:21.139-07:002010-09-24T09:04:21.139-07:00Hello Z, and all of my other friends here. If I ma...Hello Z, and all of my other friends here. If I may, I'd like to put my two cents worth in. I may have stopped my blogging, but I do look in on my friends.<br /><br />With your permission, Z.<br /><br />We've reached critical mass in this nation. With a powerful minority on one side that wants a complete dissolution of our national heritage and a restructuring of our history and national identity to allow a furthering of socialist ideals. On the other side a powerful minority (and growing) that believes in the absolute sovereignty of our Constitutional free market system and a desire to return our nation to it's heritage of Godly and educated rule of law.<br /><br />The other group that inhabits this nation are the sheep in the middle. Those over-hyped "undecided voters" that blow this way and that depending on political winds. Referred to by some as "sheeple".<br /><br />As shown by our founders, the minority can change the direction of a nation. The Rebels against the crown numbered only about 20% of the population. But they won freedom for the nation and ALL its citizens.<br /><br />The problem is a simple one, as with the misnamed civil war, the two powerful interests are diametrically opposed in view and scope. There is no place that a consensus CAN be found. So, the only way for the two sides to be brought together is for one side to be defeated. Utterly. Crushingly. <br /><br />Unfortunately, we've seen that this is not going to be happening in the political arena. For those that think that it will, I will point out a couple of historical facts. First, several times in the past the "conservatives" have taken power only to lose it again to a resurgance from the left. Or were betrayed by their own. (see historical records of the last Republican Congress) And secondly, I will point out that the leftists, like the Muslims, when beaten, merely pull back and regroup. They both have shown extreme patience when needed to bide their time for a re-emergence.<br /><br />There really is only two ways this is going to end. Either we capitulate to the leftists and let them have their way in the end, or we keep fighting them until the critical mass ignites. I am afraid that we've reached a point where only one or the other is possible. <br /><br />I believe it was Jefferson that said that from time to time the tree of liberty must be renewed by the blood of patriots and tyrants.<br /><br />Its branches are dying, its fruit is poisoned. If it is not renewed then true liberty is a dead tree that will be cut down and burned.Greywolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381047844269105368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79964107493220950432010-09-24T08:59:23.714-07:002010-09-24T08:59:23.714-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Greywolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381047844269105368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-4654408542420349182010-09-24T08:59:01.367-07:002010-09-24T08:59:01.367-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Greywolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17381047844269105368noreply@blogger.com