tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post3915157963917060333..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Robertson to Columbia U?Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger99125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-1618689476777169472013-12-31T03:25:00.715-08:002013-12-31T03:25:00.715-08:00EB - "Also I would say that faith is personal...EB - "Also I would say that faith is personal not necessarily private."<br /><br />Not exclusively private, but private at it's core. For all the benefits communitarianism brings to the community of faithful, belief is no less valid if I were on a deserted island than if I were in the Vatican.<br /><br />"What did Robertson say that deprived anyone of a civil liberty?"<br /><br />He didn't. I don't think anyone has argued that he had. But he would certainly appear to support legislation that would deprive our fellow Americans of civil liberty.<br /><br />"In fact some believe based on the Civil Rights Act that Robertson based on his religious views was unlawfully discriminated against."<br /><br />Sure, some people believe lots of things, but the 1st Amendment protects the citizen against actions of the government.<br /><br />"Considering the objections, does Natural Law Theory even play a role in contemporary secular moral discourse?"<br /><br />I think so. Society can come together and agree on basic norms irrespective of a belief in a creator, especially when in practice, religious belief comes from the mouths of man. The word theoretically comes from God, but we are beholden to take mans word for it.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50703445914917116902013-12-30T19:20:36.079-08:002013-12-30T19:20:36.079-08:00Z, economy - Agreed. I was just throwing somethin...Z, economy - Agreed. I was just throwing something outKidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-31697991761363790882013-12-30T17:31:16.862-08:002013-12-30T17:31:16.862-08:00I'm glad I took a peek to see if anybody was s...I'm glad I took a peek to see if anybody was still commenting.<br /><br />Am looking forward to your further discussion, CI and Elbro.<br /><br />CI...good luck to your team!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-794721974898846512013-12-30T16:48:23.004-08:002013-12-30T16:48:23.004-08:00What did Robertson say that deprived anyone of a c...What did Robertson say that deprived anyone of a civil liberty? In fact some believe based on the Civil Rights Act that Robertson based on his religious views was unlawfully discriminated against.<br /><br />Considering the objections, does Natural Law Theory even play a role in contemporary secular moral discourse?<br /><br /><i>I'm curious as to how you parse this dread prophecy while simultaneously claiming that you do not desire preferential status for religion, by the state.</i><br /><br />I realize that religious pluralism is difficult. Truth by it's very nature is exclusive.<br /><br /><i>Religious pluralism is a belief system that sounds good, but does disservice to all religions. All religions are exclusive. Even naturalism, which poses as irreligion, is exclusive. Every religion has its starting points and its deductions, and those starting points exclude. For example, Hinduism has two non-negotiable beliefs: karma and reincarnation. No Hindu will trade these away.</i><br /><br />Perhaps you think I'm overreacting. To that I would say I'm more concerned about the Church's impact on the culture than the Government's impact on the Church. I've heard it said, "as the church goes so goes the culture."elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30443783076821296942013-12-30T16:01:44.592-08:002013-12-30T16:01:44.592-08:00I'll hit you back tomorrow. My Ducks are playi...I'll hit you back tomorrow. My Ducks are playing the Holiday Bowl right now.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83269821211153029942013-12-30T15:44:13.210-08:002013-12-30T15:44:13.210-08:00Yet God cannot be removed from our culture as long...<i>Yet God cannot be removed from our culture as long as there are believers. Maintaining that belief is the mandate of the faithful, not the State.</i><br /><br />Oh yes the Russian Orthodox Church survived.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-60543799151210833992013-12-30T15:41:26.855-08:002013-12-30T15:41:26.855-08:00Yet God cannot be removed from our culture as long...<i>Yet God cannot be removed from our culture as long as there are believers. Maintaining that belief is the mandate of the faithful, not the State</i><br /><br />It's the depravity of man that concerns me.<br /><br /><i>“The depravity of man is at once the most empirically verifiable reality but at the same time the most intellectually resisted fact.” <br /><br />― Malcolm Muggeridge </i><br /><br />and the State shall not infringe<br /><br />I'll repeat Zacharias' quote:<br /><i>“Every thinking person knows that to imprison a sacred belief within the private realm is ultimately to fracture, if not to kill, the belief. One could no more sever belief from public expression and still live spiritually fulfilled than one could remove the heart from the body and bid the blood flow. The separation kills the life in the body. Such is the impact on privatized spirituality.”</i><br /><br />What happened to Robertson is an example,they even bleeped words to give the appearance that the Robertson's use swear words and cut out part of their prayers..<br /><br /><br />A and E absolutely had every right to fire him, while at the same time popular culture switched into a heteronomous one and Robertson (at least intitially) was dictated to about what he needs to believe. GLAAD even suggesting Robertson's reeducation.<br /><br />Perhaps you saw where the VA would not deliver Christmas cards to veterans if they said <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/12/25/va-hospital-refuses-to-accept-merry-christmas-cards/" rel="nofollow">"Merry Christmas" or "God Bless You"</a> <br /><br />Also I would say that faith is <i>personal</i> not necessarily privateelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-29135728670006930222013-12-30T15:23:54.815-08:002013-12-30T15:23:54.815-08:00"I'm suggesting that if God is removed fr..."I'm suggesting that if God is removed from our culture that we will experience a cultural revolution."<br /><br />Yet God cannot be removed from our culture as long as there are believers. Maintaining that belief is the mandate of the faithful, not the State.<br /><br />When religion [as interpreted by man] bucks squarely against civil liberties, the selling points are going to take a hit.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-88061584067745875462013-12-30T14:59:10.184-08:002013-12-30T14:59:10.184-08:00I'm suggesting that if God is removed from our...I'm suggesting that if God is removed from our culture that we will experience a cultural revolution. One in which we turn from an autonomous culture into a heternomous culture. Simply look at recent history.Nietzsche Understood the ramifications after he declared God dead. He prophesied That the 20th century would be the bloodi.est century in historyelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-11515527174181074882013-12-30T14:45:57.624-08:002013-12-30T14:45:57.624-08:00Even the Constitution Is subject to the whims of w...Even the Constitution Is subject to the whims of whoever is serving on the Supreme Court. elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2338166087553078772013-12-30T10:33:25.043-08:002013-12-30T10:33:25.043-08:00CI, maybe "perpetual outrage machine of the r...CI, maybe "perpetual outrage machine of the right" isn't pejorative. OKAY! :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-68526114575975856222013-12-30T05:50:25.360-08:002013-12-30T05:50:25.360-08:00Z - "How big a deal is it if I hadn't hea...Z - "How big a deal is it if I hadn't heard of this group?"<br /><br />That depends on how much importance you place only on those things you are aware of v. those things you are not aware of.<br /><br />"And, really, perhaps they have every right to be perpetually outraged? Ever think of that?"<br /><br />They have every right to be perpetually outraged, just as left wings groups do. Who's arguing against that?<br /><br />"By the way, why do you have such a problem with the Right being upset just because you don't agree with their points?"<br /><br />I have a problem with hypocrisy and ideological diatribes, irrespecive of whether or not I agree with the salient points or not.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19408964888742572292013-12-30T05:33:04.123-08:002013-12-30T05:33:04.123-08:00CI, here's where you lose me.
How big a deal i...CI, here's where you lose me.<br />How big a deal is it if I hadn't heard of this group?<br /><br />And, really, perhaps they have every right to be perpetually outraged? Ever think of that?<br /><br />By the way, why do you have such a problem with the Right being upset just because you don't agree with their points? They have the same right to their sensitivities as you do. Ever think of that?<br /><br /><br />Kid, just saying what I heard...he's "Bullish on the coming year's economy because of positive indicators"...that's what he said, not me.<br />Considering the huge deficit, growing by the second, etc., I can't agree with him and was surprised to hear him say that. Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-69238765242559724822013-12-30T03:08:03.855-08:002013-12-30T03:08:03.855-08:00Z - "I've never even heard of "One M...Z - "I've never even heard of "One Million Moms"...what is it?"<br /><br />OMM is one of the perpetual outrage machines on the right. This one specializes in calling for boycotts of television and advertising that shows gay people/characters.<br /><br /><br />http://www.onemillionmoms.com/Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27369766478233399932013-12-29T20:17:57.341-08:002013-12-29T20:17:57.341-08:00M4E, I hear ya. I usually say muslim because I wan...M4E, I hear ya. I usually say muslim because I want readers to make no mistake who I'm talking about. But damn right I wouldn't capitalize them if they were on fire.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-55669643468143716092013-12-29T20:16:04.771-08:002013-12-29T20:16:04.771-08:00Z, well, there are a couple takes on bullish.
1-I...Z, well, there are a couple takes on bullish.<br /><br />1-Is it good now? No.<br />2-Will it be better in 6 months? If the answer is yes, then that is bullish from a market perspective.<br /><br />It's a good way to manage buying or selling the market.<br />If it Can't get any worse (most people flee the market but should be buying) then the odds are great that it will get better.<br />If it Can't get any better, then odds are it will get worse and you should be selling or very ready to sell.<br /><br />People usually do the opposite, which is why Wall Street people get multi-million dollar bonuses.<br /><br />Anyway, in this context, I don't think it will be better in 6 months, mainly because of oblammycare.<br /><br /><br />Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2215434582534860952013-12-29T20:07:42.609-08:002013-12-29T20:07:42.609-08:00Kid, I like your take on the money and the market....Kid, I like your take on the money and the market... and the moslem* and islam comment is center X ring.<br /><br /><br />*It's a long story, but they take great offense at the spelling of 'moslem' instead of 'muslim.' This Infidel also take great pleasure in NOT capitalizing any of their names. Marine4everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08316425122927213322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-84740616048027666252013-12-29T20:05:22.454-08:002013-12-29T20:05:22.454-08:00Kid...he said BULLISH! The rest of the negative e...Kid...he said BULLISH! The rest of the negative economy stuff was my words; sorry, it looks confusing when I read my comment.<br /><br />No, he thinks the economy's going to be great this coming year. I DO hope so!<br /><br /><br /><br />As for Muslims and people being afraid to speak out against the evil: I think you are SO RIGHT and have said so for a few years now: Islam knows we're too politically correct to criticize and are afraid to talk against them. They're counting on us to screw ourselves.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35767291796170162012013-12-29T18:59:37.747-08:002013-12-29T18:59:37.747-08:00Z, Steve Moore is not nuts (as you quote hom which...Z, Steve Moore is not nuts (as you quote hom which I'm sure is accurate) If anything he is watering down the problem.<br /><br />Growth can't be sustained? True,. but again, what growth. Profit growth has occurred at the expense of labor - all businesses cut anyone and anything that wasn't holding their end of the log, which removes a lot of people form the workforce. <br /><br />If he's talking stock market growth that's another animal entirely. The pro traders have hated this rally. I've seen valid comparisons between now and the last bubble, the technology bubble in 200, as well as the housing bubble that burst in Oct 2007. THe market is higher than that now, but adjusted for inflation, probably about right.<br /><br />Speaking of which, if we used measures for inflation circa 1980, our current inflation rate would be 10 %. This is stealing a lot of money from a lot of people.<br />Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-46910811025426700142013-12-29T17:44:32.930-08:002013-12-29T17:44:32.930-08:00"it should be of equal cause in the other cam...<i>"it should be of equal cause in the other camp, no?"</i><br /><br />No...some grievances merit more attention and perpetual angst and rage than the mainstreams. Ask "Rev. Al".<br /><br />Minorities, whether they be a race or a protected group, now rule our senses.<br /><br />No one else has a right to criticize them.T Krabbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73094868883714423882013-12-29T17:00:38.811-08:002013-12-29T17:00:38.811-08:00GLAAD ='s GAYSTOPO
Their way...or the verbal...<b>GLAAD ='s GAYSTOPO</b><br /><br /><br />Their way...or the verbal assaults keep a coming. And the hate is monstrous for such open and "tolerant" people.<br /><br />I keep wondering why they weren't in the streets protesting Islams take on their life styles? That would make sense.T Krabbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-9214293559378934932013-12-29T16:54:52.311-08:002013-12-29T16:54:52.311-08:00CI; I've never even heard of "One Millio...CI; I've never even heard of "One Million Moms"...what is it?<br /><br />I personally hope nobody gets reined in...why should they? As I've said 2938742938734987 times above and other places on my blog "Turn the page, turn off your TV..stop being offended"<br /><br />Now, someone like Martin Bashir represents a media venue, MSNBC, and said someone should S*** down Sarah Palin's throat, and I'd say "that's just BAD TASTE"...(and yes, I KNOW he didn't use those exact words; in fact it was quite subtle, considering most people wouldn't have had a clue what that man in history had done to others). I'd have thought any decent person would step down on their own for that hideous statement.<br /><br />I don't believe anything Robertson said was anything near as bad as that, but I don't believe he should be bounced, either. <br /><br />Let's stop the OFFENDEDness....except we're raising idiot children who can't take ANYTHING these days, so I'm sure it'll be worse in coming years.<br />When many schools don't keep score in elementary school because one team's winning will make the other FEEL BAD, we have bigger problems than we think. And no, it's not about the sport; it's about something much bigger than that. Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44661681846763961522013-12-29T14:54:47.055-08:002013-12-29T14:54:47.055-08:00* repost for spelling errors*
"That would be...* repost for spelling errors*<br /><br />"That would be true, if GLAAD had stayed out of it."<br /><br />Interesting point. In the same vein, if we [collectively] presume to tackle issues strictly on their merit, and disdain third party interlopers.....where is the outrage against the actions of groups on the right, such as "One Million Moms", and their perpetual boycott machine against perceived cultural offenses in the media?<br /><br />If failing to rein in the myriad of interest groups is cause for concerning one camp, it should be of equal cause in the other camp, no?Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67648090152607450482013-12-29T14:52:23.597-08:002013-12-29T14:52:23.597-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Constitutional Insurgenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03251746798758539951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-38953121055420555922013-12-29T14:46:16.497-08:002013-12-29T14:46:16.497-08:00CI, you posited that this was an issue between Rob...CI, you posited that this was an issue between Robertson and A&E.<br />That would be true, if GLAAD had stayed out of it.<br />Like I said earlier, this really boils down to a big "Shut UP!" to Phil, and by extension other Christians in the public square.<br />It is as EB points out, a culture issue, and leaving God out of it, as you would prefer, I imagine, it is not appropriate for GLAAD to tell anyone to shut up.Ed Bonderenkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03724552853113809036noreply@blogger.com