tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post4312320767131296072..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Money, Greed and GodZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-31171476861074318102011-02-28T11:38:49.598-08:002011-02-28T11:38:49.598-08:00no reason to respond.
"Luther abandoned reaso...no reason to respond.<br />"Luther abandoned reason" :-)<br /><br />And painting brings on a good economy?<br /><br />wowZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-47123732671725261342011-02-28T10:38:20.598-08:002011-02-28T10:38:20.598-08:00... our attitude toward money has to be "scri...... our attitude toward money has to be "scriptural" z?<br /><br /> Is pre-ordination, "scriptural". Is Calvinism "scriptural"?<br /><br /> I say it is a codex of man made dogma, a necessary problem for any religion that only has one possible solution, mysticism.<br /><br /> Aquinas tried to place doctrine on an equal footing with reason. Noble effort but he failed in many respects. Luther and Calvin simply abandoned reason. <br /><br /><br /> Extra credit question that is going to be suggested:<br /><br /> Why were the two great centers of painting, Venice and Holland also the two great trading nations.<br /><br /> I really wouldn't have thought of that without posting here, thanks.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-72409699883072568752011-02-27T16:13:51.343-08:002011-02-27T16:13:51.343-08:00Ducky "The students are given a set of questi...Ducky "The students are given a set of questions and relevant paintings. They develop their own answers."<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />"and after they finish they can discuss why the fringe right would want to defund this type of show."<br /><br />And you don't think their instructor will lead them to that ridiculous thinking of yours? Ya, right. Bet on it.<br /><br />PLEASE stop speaking for me...I'm all for the arts and you very well know it....But, I'll separate with you on one thing; I don't believe in indoctrination. I believe the kids should REALLY be given all points of view on all subjects including art...I know you and I part ways on that.<br />And yes, I think private donors will have to fund the arts until we come out from under the debt Bush started and Obama blew out of the stratosphere.<br /><br />Waylon, that is SUCH a funny one..thanks for the reminder.<br />Also, "The Road Less Traveled" could just be a road less traveled, right? :-)<br />It does make me laugh at the distance some will go to put DEEEEEP meaning into everything....Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-42492753507296283722011-02-27T15:58:57.178-08:002011-02-27T15:58:57.178-08:00Sure, Ducky, it's a game to intellectualize ab...Sure, Ducky, it's a game to intellectualize about art and its "meaning", especially since most artists of famous paintings are no longer around to point out what they really meant. This little anecdote illustrates that perfectly ...<br /><br />"At the National Art Gallery in Dublin, a husband and wife were staring at a portrait that had them completely confused.<br /><br />The painting depicted three black men totally naked sitting on a park bench. Two of the figures had black willies, but the one in the middle had a pink willie.<br /><br />The curator of the gallery realized that they were having trouble interpreting the painting and offered his assessment.<br /><br />He went on for over half an hour explaining how it depicted the sexual emasculation of black men in a predominately white, patriarchal society. 'In fact,' he pointed out, 'some serious critics believe that the pink willie also reflects the cultural and sociological oppression experienced by gay men in contemporary society.'<br /><br />After the curator left, an Irishman, approached the couple and said, 'Would you like to know what the painting is really about?'<br /><br />'Now why would you claim to be more of an expert than the curator of the gallery?' asked the couple.<br /><br />'Because I'm the guy who painted it,' he replied.<br /><br />'In fact, there are no black men depicted at all! They're just three Irish coal miners. The guy in the middle went home for lunch.'"<br /><br />WaylonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-13562437164796099432011-02-27T09:35:55.497-08:002011-02-27T09:35:55.497-08:00Ducky,
I'm sure you are aware that virtually ...Ducky,<br /><br />I'm sure you are aware that virtually all the art, architecture and music we consider "great" today -- and the splendid historic buildings that house and display it -- came into being because of the "whims" of high church officials, royalty, aristocrats and later some filthy rich captains of industry. <br /><br />Like it or not fulfilling the "whims" of the rich and powerful is the <i>only</i> reason the glories of Western Civilization exist -- from ancient Egypt, Greece and Rome through Mediaeval and Renaissance Europe to the present day.<br /><br />It's perfectly possible for students to get an excellent idea of what great painting, architecture and even sculpture is all about from the myriad volumes of beautiful color photographs of great masterworks and from videos such as those made by dear Sister Wendy.<br /><br />Reading political implications into Art that may or may not be there may do great disservice to Art appreciation. Denigrating the great patrons of the past who made all this work possible cannot help but cloud and shadow a student's view of what he's exposed to.<br /><br />The Brutal Rape Fantasy characteristic of traditional male domination that certain fanatical -- possibly crazed -- feminists are eager to impose on our "understanding" of "the true meaning" of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony is a good case in point. I'm sure from many things you've said in the past indicating you have an honest appreciation of Beethoven that you realize this is arrant nonsense, and quite evil in it's attempt to use the work of a DEWM (Dead European White Male) to further a latter day political agenda of questionable value?<br /><br />The best in Art exists simply for its own sake in my opinion. All of it is innately glorious and wonderful to behold aside from any implications we may want to read into it. Just as all of it has <i>universal</i> significance.<br /><br />Polemical or propagandistic art tend to be narrow in scope and is quickly dated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-88427348508766893232011-02-27T07:25:05.848-08:002011-02-27T07:25:05.848-08:00z, I must say you are pathological. The students a...z, I must say you are pathological. The students are given a set of questions and relevant paintings. They develop their own answers.<br /><br /> This produces capable individuals who can think. This is a good thing.<br /><br /> Now, would the money be raised? In Boston the answer is, maybe. after the Fine Arts mounted "Titian, Tintoretto and Veronese" it was widely discussed that that type of show is going to become extremely rare. There simply won't be the money to mount it. You would have had to hit most of the major museums of the world to see that collection.<br /><br /> If a very arts friendly city like Boston would be strained (Madoff has a lot to do with this) then what happens in smaller cities and rural areas? I daresay I'm the only one you have posting who has ever looked at the list of NEA grants (and yes, received a small amount of grant money).<br /><br /> I'm waiting for the paper from the kid who noticed that in Gerrit Dou's "Sleeping Dog" (unmitigated masterpiece) that the dog's eye was partially open, the wicker basket was fraying, the jug was broken and cracked and we went on to talk about loyalty and mortality. He "got it". Another looked at a still life with shells and is probably doing a paper on the locations represented by the shells and why they would be the subject of a still life.<br /><br /> Of course we shouldn't help fund arts as a matter of course, we should leave it to the whims of private donors. I would have assigned Michael North's "Art and Commerce in the Dutch Golden Age" for the discussion on Dutch vs. Venetian collecting but it's a fairly advanced text.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18600978120765489032011-02-26T22:37:41.863-08:002011-02-26T22:37:41.863-08:00Ducky, imagine what you're doing to children. ...Ducky, imagine what you're doing to children. They are taught the way you and the teacher are taught...no both sides of the equation, just hate for one side; and you wonder why incivility is gone? I was enjoying reading your comment, really interested, and then read that last part and seriously questioned any integrity you might have. You wrote: "So the kids can go, pick a topic and a list of relevant paintings and after they finish they can discuss why the fringe right would want to defund this type of show."<br /><br />The "fringe right" only wants to raise money from private donors if it's this important an artistic experience/exhibit, they'll get the money.<br /><br />Teacher: "So, kids we looked for private corporations and individuals to back this wonderful exhibit because we can rely on private parties and companies to make sure these exhibits are mounted....this is self-reliance and not depending on a government which can soon tell you what kind of art is allowed, which you definitely don't want."<br /><br />Students: "Really, Mrs. Z? You the teacher are telling us the right doesn't want this art not to be shown, they just want to let private individuals and corporations to finance the shows instead of going again and again to our government which has barely enough money to spend on more important things, like keeping us safe more important things like keeping us safe. THat makes sense to ME!"<br /><br />DUcky.."Hey kid...you got a D"<br /><br />Kid "Go away, you silly socialist, I don't swallow that tripe anymore. Wake up, buy a painting, it'll help the gallery."Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-84046377494170941112011-02-26T21:21:41.315-08:002011-02-26T21:21:41.315-08:00I was thinking about this topic, Dutch painting an...I was thinking about this topic, Dutch painting an the National Endowment for he Arts today.<br /><br />I was talking to a local teacher who is taking her class on a trip to the Peabody-Essex to a show of the van Otterloo collection. Probably the last chance they'll have to see the complete collection exhibited.<br />The NEA is covering some of the expense because the museum would simply not have been able to mount, transport and insure this collection on its own. Literally a once in a lifetime opportunity.<br /><br />So we talked about the Dutch still life and topics of international trade, fatalism and thrift. A good deal of the nature of capitalism is laid right out there.<br /><br />So the kids can go, pick a topic and a list of relevant paintings and after they finish they can discuss why the fringe right would want to defund this type of show.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37277017914695660802011-02-26T07:49:06.647-08:002011-02-26T07:49:06.647-08:00FrogBurger;
Thank you for your kind words, I'...FrogBurger;<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words, I'll keep your advice about the VIRUS.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-69188953897203375182011-02-25T22:35:53.520-08:002011-02-25T22:35:53.520-08:00SAM you're in Cheeseland?
You can stay a Musl...SAM you're in Cheeseland?<br /><br />You can stay a Muslim in my book. Just don't catch the socialism virus :))<br /><br />Say hi to the Frogs for me.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-34650750662111493902011-02-25T20:31:24.391-08:002011-02-25T20:31:24.391-08:00SAM, I believe in things like connecting though mi...SAM, I believe in things like connecting though miles away, too.<br />Of course, this prayer is from the Bible, David's prayer, and I find it soothing and hope it gives you calm and hope.<br /><br />The other day, I emailed my friend Jen who comments here that I had seen a film I thought she would like. As I watched, I kept thinking of her because the story was something I thought she would like and the photography was exquisite. This movie is very unknown, I had never heard of it but rented it through an internet CD company, and I recommended it to her.<br />She wrote back that she had just watched it a week or so ago!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73037794677246173172011-02-25T20:23:21.370-08:002011-02-25T20:23:21.370-08:00Z;
I was reading word by word your prayer, and I ...Z;<br /><br />I was reading word by word your prayer, and I was feeling it, like that, it is mine, and at the end, I found it mine, addressed by you.<br /><br />If there is no GOD, how the thinks and prayers and the hearts are connected to each other, from at least 10,000 kms away.<br /><br />This level of TELECOMMUNICATIONS has a central exchange.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-15894372144417304972011-02-25T20:03:55.437-08:002011-02-25T20:03:55.437-08:00Common Sense, I, too, am happy to hear that was yo...Common Sense, I, too, am happy to hear that was your experience with the Muslims you met.<br />And ya...35 yrs is a long time, too, and admirable. I was a little amazed at 40 yrs because I think they can retire with pretty full benefits after 25 years, tho I know your bro didn't seem to need the benefits :-) <br /><br />SAM....I love what you wrote about GOD and I hope that happens for you...that you do feel grateful to God with every breath you take some day very soon. <br />I find great comfort in Scripture..Psalms from the Bible's Old Testament, like<br /><br />The Lord Is My Shepherd<br />A Psalm of David.<br /><br />23:1 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.<br /> He makes me lie down in green pastures.<br />He leads me beside still waters. <br />He restores my soul.<br />He leads me in paths of righteousness <br />for his name's sake.<br /><br />Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,<br />I will fear no evil,<br />for you are with me;<br />your rod and your staff,<br />they comfort me.<br /><br />You prepare a table before me<br />in the presence of my enemies;<br />you anoint my head with oil;<br />my cup overflows.<br /> Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me<br />all the days of my life,<br />and I shall dell in the house of the Lord forever. <br /><br />SAM...I will be praying for you :-)<br /><br /><br />COmmenters: I am hoping this Psalm remains alone on this post for Sam. Believe me, I know there are many, many other beautiful ones.<br />I'm starting slowly...please? thanks.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-59240862743218433332011-02-25T20:00:23.568-08:002011-02-25T20:00:23.568-08:00Now I understand the SENSE of Common SENSE, and I ...Now I understand the SENSE of Common SENSE, and I would say Common Reason.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-47795356353305425262011-02-25T19:51:02.836-08:002011-02-25T19:51:02.836-08:00Sam,
I travel the World often and I have found th...Sam,<br /><br />I travel the World often and I have found that 99.9 percent of the people are great and friendly. It's that .1 percent that are a problem and it's mostly the Governments.Common Sensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15531072277611780685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37109092110541847542011-02-25T19:46:06.461-08:002011-02-25T19:46:06.461-08:00Common Sense;
Actually, right now, I'm in Fra...Common Sense;<br /><br />Actually, right now, I'm in France,<br /><br />I'm very happy to find that the true Islam is known and believed in other countries.<br /><br />IN KORAN, we learn the history of Judaiism and the Christianity, and we have too many people who are named, EBRAHIM, MOSSA, ISSA, MAYAM, DAVOUD, AZRA, DANIAL, and the Biblic names.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-88919610300152618212011-02-25T19:27:45.240-08:002011-02-25T19:27:45.240-08:00Sam,
You, I find your comments to be truly educat...Sam,<br /><br />You, I find your comments to be truly educational.<br /><br />I was in Jordan, Egypt and Israel last year and spoke to many young people with the same outlook.Common Sensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15531072277611780685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-49543132995505068522011-02-25T19:24:40.661-08:002011-02-25T19:24:40.661-08:00Common Sense;
Where am I located?
Me, or Iranian ...Common Sense;<br /><br />Where am I located?<br />Me, or Iranian Resistance?<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19095120188151039862011-02-25T19:15:13.957-08:002011-02-25T19:15:13.957-08:00Sam,
Where are you located?Sam,<br /><br />Where are you located?Common Sensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15531072277611780685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-72925879131400194452011-02-25T18:53:42.863-08:002011-02-25T18:53:42.863-08:00Faith;
This is the Iranian Resistance teachings, ...Faith;<br /><br />This is the Iranian Resistance teachings, our Leader of Resistance is MARYAM RAJAVI.<br /><br />We are not a sect of Islam, WE ARE MUSLIMS, which means, AS JEWS as a JEW, as Christians as a Christian, and respectful to all bit, BLOODY ENEMIES of the MULLAHS and ISLAMISTS.<br /><br />ISLAMISM is SATANIC and the Mullahs represent the SATAN.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79535388157749063312011-02-25T18:52:54.851-08:002011-02-25T18:52:54.851-08:00SAM must be a liberal Muslim not a fundamentalist....SAM must be a liberal Muslim not a fundamentalist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27071749374116588072011-02-25T18:42:55.738-08:002011-02-25T18:42:55.738-08:00That's a new one to me, what Sam said he belie...That's a new one to me, what Sam said he believes. I wonder where you were taught that, Sam. Is it a sect of Islam? It has some basic Muslim beliefs -- about Adam, Noah, Moses, Mary and Jesus -- but also some very unusual notions -- about the Mullahs.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39565571635400862292011-02-25T18:27:02.279-08:002011-02-25T18:27:02.279-08:00Well; Madame Z;
If I believe on GOD?!
My Answer ...Well; Madame Z;<br /><br />If I believe on GOD?!<br /><br />My Answer is, anytime I look behind myself, I tell to myself, Why I had not believed and not trusted my GOD before?<br /><br />I know that there is a KEY, somewhere, I'm not satisfied and i'm not relaxed, till I find that CODE, which will remove all the doubts from my heart.<br /><br />I'm looking to become at any breath THANKFUL of GOD.<br /><br />SAMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30613364292400479072011-02-25T18:13:10.673-08:002011-02-25T18:13:10.673-08:00I spoke to him last night and he told me he retire...I spoke to him last night and he told me he retired after 35 years, he went as long as he could to get full retirement. I was off by 5 years.Common Sensehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15531072277611780685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17880030904028993692011-02-25T18:08:21.281-08:002011-02-25T18:08:21.281-08:00CS...SNOW IN MALIBU? Are you kidding? I heard SN...CS...SNOW IN MALIBU? Are you kidding? I heard SNOW here in L.A. and I thought surely it meant in the foothills, not by us, near the water!? WOW.<br />Let us know what happens...it'll be beautiful and not much, so enjoy!<br />My friend was very touched that your brother knew David, or OF David.....was your bro really on the force for forty years? that's a long time.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.com