tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post4698947292442981402..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Blame BUSH?Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44412591259358305752010-09-25T09:07:04.017-07:002010-09-25T09:07:04.017-07:00Jonathan, after you find a president whose adminis...Jonathan, after you find a president whose administration wasn't based on cronyism, let us know, okay?<br /><br />By the way, what's THAT got to do with the Dem Congress and Dodd and Frank and the nightmare they put into motion (which Obama's STILL perpetrating by still giving loans to those who can't afford a home?)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17188236115903601562010-09-24T07:09:07.356-07:002010-09-24T07:09:07.356-07:00Yes blame Bush. Just because the straw that broke ...Yes blame Bush. Just because the straw that broke the camel's back came after the Dems took control in 2007 doesn't mean they put the earlier straw there. Be factual: 2000-2008 was Bush's time to win or fail, and in my long-term memory (compared to the GOP's) his whole presidency was about cronyism.<br /><br />Obama's got 6 more years...then complain if you want to.JonathanTothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09195379028306169248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-29079460305032033242010-09-23T13:50:52.338-07:002010-09-23T13:50:52.338-07:00Dave, I think we are too polarized...there IS no w...Dave, I think we are too polarized...there IS no way around this.<br />Thanks for my next blog idea, come to think of it!!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71114585029461206482010-09-23T10:39:45.352-07:002010-09-23T10:39:45.352-07:00An admission of YOUR stupidity and a general apolo...An admission of YOUR stupidity and a general apology to every American is all you need to make restitution. I'm waiting.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66257016030200361732010-09-23T10:37:14.404-07:002010-09-23T10:37:14.404-07:00Now be a MAN and take responsibility for YOUR f.u....Now be a MAN and take responsibility for YOUR f.u.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12297209952720414322010-09-23T10:33:38.902-07:002010-09-23T10:33:38.902-07:00No Dave, I actually blame YOU for the crummy econo...No Dave, I actually blame YOU for the crummy economy for having elected Obama. What were YOU thinking???Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27163408842667082752010-09-23T09:31:39.662-07:002010-09-23T09:31:39.662-07:00Beamish, don't you think that many, if not mos...Beamish, don't you think that many, if not most conservatives are tired of Obama saying that our current problems are the fault of the Bush Admin, rather than just saying, "I am the President, it is my job, I take responsibility" ala Harry Truman?<br /><br />I cannot count the number of times I have heard that sentiment over the last 18 months.<br /><br />The general attitude of conservatives when Obama does this is to attack Obama for doing this, as if this has not been standard political practice for years.<br /><br />Perhaps, unlike many of my more left leaning friends and cohorts, I would love him to do that, but that's another story.<br /><br />I know Joe says he wants to focus on solutions, and so do I, but in his world, not even Nixon can be held responsible for taking us off the gold standard because it was not his idea.<br /><br />If we follow that logic Joe, how can you hold Obama responsible for his handling of our economy today? Isn't he, like Nixon then, following the advice of others?<br /><br />If people [Washington included] could get past the need to specifically affix blame, and everyone accept responsibility, and then act like adults sans potshots and name calling, perhaps we could move ahead.<br /><br />At least I'd like to think so, otherwise, there really is, as Beth has intimated in her post, no hope, because we are too polarized.<br /><br />Z... you are right about the media... because of a constant search for profits and sensationalism, we no longer have news folks doing real investigative reporting and stuff like the Dodd/Frank connection often gets under reported.<br /><br />As for Bush, I am sure there will be plenty of blogs in the spring of 2016 lamenting why people are still blaming Obama for things his admin did in 2014 or 2015.<br /><br />And yes, I think we can both agree that we hope this is not true, but perhaps for different reasons...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-74676681580721533792010-09-22T22:14:19.277-07:002010-09-22T22:14:19.277-07:00WHen people today act as if President Obama is the...<i>WHen people today act as if President Obama is the first President to continue to blame stuff or put responsibility for current problems on past administrations, they are being intellectually dishonest.</i><br /><br />No, intellectually dishonest is trying to make a game of attacking a position not held by anyone.<br /><br />Who doesn't remember Clinton trying to debate Reagan when he was standing across the stage from Goerge H. W. Bush?<br /><br />Obama's badmouth-the-predecessor schtick isn't even original. FDR called Hoover a socialist. Be serious.<br /><br />No, our point, which you dishonestly ignore, is not who said what, but rather who was telling the truth.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39368774222512485632010-09-22T20:47:32.058-07:002010-09-22T20:47:32.058-07:00Dave, what?
you said "Z is lamenting the con...Dave, what?<br /><br />you said "Z is lamenting the constant "blaming" of President Bush for our recession."<br /><br />Yes, but as I said above somewhere, I only LAMENT because nobody ELSE gets blamed! We don't even have an honest enough media to say "Hey, Bush had a Dem congress for the last two years!" Or "Look what Dodd and Frank did to screw things up!"<br /><br />Please, I don't mind being accidentally misquoted but don't misrepresent my sentiments. I don't believe Bush is blameless and I"m one of the few who admits that.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12055683220702999112010-09-22T16:34:08.709-07:002010-09-22T16:34:08.709-07:00Joe, the seeds of this problem pre date the 103rd,...Joe, the seeds of this problem pre date the 103rd, reaching at least as far back as the Nixon Administration...<br /><br />If you ask your average economist, they'll give you either that, or the during the Carter/Reagan years.<br /><br />I believe it was Reagan and his team that said deficits do not matter. Perhaps I am wrong on that, but certainly the more current march to deregulation was begun by both of those Presidents.<br /><br />I know conservatives want to imagine that all of our current pain is the result of the Dems, but the facts say otherwise.<br /><br />As a wise man used to say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not everyone is entitled to their own facts.<br /><br />Great discussion though...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64666953104249222992010-09-22T11:58:14.950-07:002010-09-22T11:58:14.950-07:00Of course, most of those responsible in the 103rd ...Of course, most of those responsible in the 103rd were STILL around for the 111th Congress. Making sure they're gone by the 112th... that's the challenge we face.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66296289094080066702010-09-22T11:51:41.923-07:002010-09-22T11:51:41.923-07:00Typo?
I was thinking more along the lines of a Fr...Typo?<br /><br />I was thinking more along the lines of a Freudian slip...<br /><br /><i>He came aboard long after the damage had been done to the foundations...</i><br /><br />Yep, well Bill Clinton and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/103rd_United_States_Congress" rel="nofollow">103rd</a> Congress DO have a LOT to answer for.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-25054042863559871132010-09-22T11:15:05.124-07:002010-09-22T11:15:05.124-07:00I guess I missed a typo.
Andrew Cuomo is not ev...I guess I missed a typo. <br /><br />Andrew Cuomo is not even in the top ten.<br /><br />He came aboard long after the damage had been done to the foundations...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-74569653625300215592010-09-22T10:17:08.226-07:002010-09-22T10:17:08.226-07:00btw - The man 2nd most responsible for economicall...btw - The man 2nd most responsible for economically destroying the country (Barney Frank being the 1st), <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/1/" rel="nofollow">Andy Cuomo</a> is only six points ahead in a poll of "likely voters" in his race to become the next Governor of New York. I'm sure New Yorkers are thrilled at the prospect of gaining such an incompetent leader!Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-89481779203167429952010-09-22T09:31:26.412-07:002010-09-22T09:31:26.412-07:00...and I wasn't thinking ANY contrary thoughts......and I wasn't thinking ANY contrary thoughts. :)Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-23734398589544608972010-09-22T09:28:55.512-07:002010-09-22T09:28:55.512-07:00And contrary to your thoughts, I am looking to sco...<i>And contrary to your thoughts, <b>I am looking to score debate points</b>, life is too short.</i><br /><br />Thanks for the honesty!Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-23061699504180458292010-09-22T08:47:06.486-07:002010-09-22T08:47:06.486-07:00Joe, the problem is that no one is willing to list...Joe, the problem is that no one is willing to listen to each other or work together to solve problems.<br /><br />Your seeming inability to acknowledge that conservatives have any culpability in this is a good example.<br /><br />Z is lamenting the constant "blaming" of President Bush for our recession.<br /><br />I pointed out that this is an issue that really riles up conservatives, but I believe unnecessarily so, as other presidents, both Democrat and Republican have done it.<br /><br />And yet we still have people acting as if Barack Obama is our first President to have done this.<br /><br />It is that kind of blind partisanship that, much like the idiots on the left who blamed President Bush for 9/11, has poisoned the well.<br /><br />As I have said many times, unless and until <b>both</b> parties can get past blaming each other and calling each other names, the atmosphere will not exist for real solutions to come to the forefront.<br /><br />It is an axiom of management and leadership that unless people feel safe, secure, and trust those with whom they have dialogue and work, a team, like congress, cannot accomplish much.<br /><br />And contrary to your thoughts, I am looking to score debate points, life is too short.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-69933019919046830972010-09-22T07:36:40.832-07:002010-09-22T07:36:40.832-07:00The fact that you do not know that and insist on g...<i>The fact that you do not know that and insist on going down this "loan to those who can't afford it" road indicates you're not ready to sit at the grownups table.</i><br /><br />I'm not an elderly yet so I'll wait on that.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-25701801523749906522010-09-22T07:35:15.279-07:002010-09-22T07:35:15.279-07:00Thanks Beamish for the specifics. I get too emotio...Thanks Beamish for the specifics. I get too emotional vs this moron and I am often unclear.<br /><br /><i>C'mon be serious. Ducky raises the average IQ of every room he leaves.</i><br /><br />When the room was empty.FrogBurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-34300659178866664022010-09-22T07:28:27.310-07:002010-09-22T07:28:27.310-07:00Dave,
What policies has Barack Obama initiated to...Dave,<br /><br />What policies has Barack Obama initiated to restore the housing market to health?<br /><br />Answer - 0<br /><br />And THAT is the point, NOT who's to blame for the recession.<br /><br />You're looking to make debate points, we're looking to solve actual problems.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5854039187710029632010-09-22T06:50:18.201-07:002010-09-22T06:50:18.201-07:00Beamish and Joe, it doesn't matter whose reces...Beamish and Joe, it doesn't matter whose recession it was. I don' t care.<br /><br />I am focused on a single point, and you guys are fundamentally unable to grasp it.<br /><br />Did President Reagan, or did he not, after he took office blame his predecessor, President Carter, rightly or wrongly, for the recession America was in right up until the midterms?<br /><br />Yes or No?<br /><br />The answer is yes he did.<br /><br />Which leads to my point.<br /><br />WHen people today act as if President Obama is the first President to continue to blame stuff or put responsibility for current problems on past administrations, they are being intellectually dishonest.<br /><br />Most of our presidents do this and most will continue to so in the future.<br /><br />As an aside, economists are divided over where blame lies for the recession of that time.<br /><br />I suspect Democrats place blame on the GOP and the GOP places the blame on the Fed or the Dems.<br /><br />Far be it from either political party or their partisans to actually take responsibility for it... <br /><br />PS... Read the Stockman article...Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44073396773149808282010-09-22T05:28:01.983-07:002010-09-22T05:28:01.983-07:00Now, take the info you have just learned here abo...Now, take the info you have just learned here about how the Republicans are going to force millions of homeowners into foreclosure and RUN through your DNC village screaming, "The Republicans are coming, the Republicans are coming!" You've got six weeks to get the message out.<br /><br />You little political pussies make me sick.<br /><br /><i>*spit*</i>Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-88766559007607593592010-09-22T05:23:07.195-07:002010-09-22T05:23:07.195-07:00Democrats will NEVER "cause" a small/man...Democrats will NEVER "cause" a small/manageable problem to SOLVE a larger "unmanageable" one.<br /><br />There's a forest fire out there in the housing market. We need to initiate a "controlled burn" to SAVE the REST OF THE HOUSING FOREST! Barack doesn't have "the stones" needed to light the match. The Republicans (if Reagan is truly their model) DO!Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-63912107083040057302010-09-22T05:19:31.157-07:002010-09-22T05:19:31.157-07:00With a little luck (and a REPUBLICAN Congress) the...With a little luck (and a REPUBLICAN Congress) the Obama "double dip" recession that's ALREADY IN THE CARDS AND DEALT (See the Housing Market and the Fed's 0% Prime monetary needle stuck on EMPTY) can be turned around and not lunge us into A MUCH DEEPER DEPRESSION. The Fed will have to RAISE interest rates, of course, and force MILLIONS of homeowners into foreclosure. Then (and only then), we can begin to get the government to buy up (and DESTROY housing or allow millions of new "rich" immigrants in) until all the excess housing capacity is OUT of the market and prices stabilize. There will be NO CONFIDENCE in the real estate markets UNTIL this happens. None. And there will be NO CONFIDENCE in the securities that banks are holding and underlie these securities until this happens. THAT is "economic reality". THAT is confronting [Reagan] (vice avoiding [Carter/ Obama]) the problem entails.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-16348374864174782882010-09-22T04:43:42.733-07:002010-09-22T04:43:42.733-07:00I was there, Dave. I KNOW what happened. I was try...<i>I was there, Dave. I KNOW what happened. I was trying to buy a house when the interest rates were 21%. YOU were in diapers sucking on you mommies teats.</i><br /><br />I was there too, but a little bit older. I was snacking on spoonfuls of vegetable oil margarine because Mom's job and Dad's 3 jobs didn't quite pool up enough money for groceries in a timely fashion.<br /><br />The joke then was government cheese blocks were spare tiles for the Space Shuttle. When there was electricity in the house, you could melt a chiseled off chunk of it in the microwave if you had a half hour to spare.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.com