tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post4923852131274375079..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: "Cherokee Nation.........so proud to live.."Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14022807710502894832011-09-16T03:30:48.352-07:002011-09-16T03:30:48.352-07:00Ticker,
Apparently, not all of the Cherokee suppor...Ticker,<br />Apparently, not all of the Cherokee <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy" rel="nofollow">supported</a> the Confederacy:<br /><br /><i>In 1863, by an act of the Cherokee National Council, the Cherokee who supported the Union abolished the practice of African slavery in the Cherokee Nation.</i>Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18277815158560421612011-09-15T20:39:01.745-07:002011-09-15T20:39:01.745-07:00" .racist society where we al vote...on color..." .racist society where we al vote...on color."<br /><br />Doesn't sound like much change since the 1950's. The only difference is that reverse discrimination now dominates.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-1010595694103916482011-09-15T18:16:05.033-07:002011-09-15T18:16:05.033-07:00I was watching....a rundown of Comrade O's app...I was watching....a rundown of Comrade O's appearance in NC.<br /><br />It was said that from the DNC chairperson that the election hinged upon....the "African hyphen American" turnout!<br /><br />In other words....it's been assumed in NC...that all blacks MUST...MUST....Without any alternative...VOTE....BLACK!!!<br /><br />Now...I have to ask...how would it go over if let's say Perry.....said that his success depended on all WHITES....voting for him in order for him to succeed?<br /><br />I'm outraged....I'm disgusted that America has already been transformed into...a balkanized...racist society where we al vote...on color.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-871536956931481472011-09-15T16:38:45.483-07:002011-09-15T16:38:45.483-07:00That's pretty much why I haven't "joi...That's pretty much why I haven't "joined" the Cherokee Nation, though by "law" and by family tree I'm hella more "Cherokee" than a lot of the ones recieving BIA benefits.<br /><br />Then again, the Cherokee relatives I have remained on or near actual Cherokee lands and were descended from people who had taken up arms to stay there rather than stroll down the Trail of Beers, er Tears to Oklahoma.<br /><br />No government will ever uproot me and tell me where to live. That's "Cherokee" enough for me. <br /><br />I will say that the Cherokee are moving to restrict the number of people on the BIA dole, so that can't be a bad thing in that light.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67793949804564355462011-09-15T15:24:04.871-07:002011-09-15T15:24:04.871-07:00So, this is the first I have heard about this. I a...So, this is the first I have heard about this. I am not really sure what to think at this point, but I think AOW nailed. I would say a definite backlash.Trekkie4Everhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03226981394122557804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-80274115044262544372011-09-15T12:30:38.329-07:002011-09-15T12:30:38.329-07:00What a ball of yarn! And where exactly is the MSM ...What a ball of yarn! And where exactly is the MSM on this?Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977090801334626461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50784522060303409852011-09-15T10:52:30.841-07:002011-09-15T10:52:30.841-07:00Wasn't it Machiavelli who said that he who din...Wasn't it Machiavelli who said that he who dines with the devil should use a very long spoon?cubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13788126579896276199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2486411597301636892011-09-15T09:44:37.170-07:002011-09-15T09:44:37.170-07:00AOW, Cherokee's were on the side of the South,...AOW, Cherokee's were on the side of the South, not the Union. They hated Andrew Jackson who as president ordered the march that became the Trail of Tears. They also were not happy with Lincoln. Seward campaigned for Lincoln promised to open Indian lands to white settlers and that didn't set well with the Cherokee. Yes some did fight for the Union when the Union lied to them, what else is new, and said if they stayed with the Southern forces they were for slavery. Some split and went with the Union. <br />My ancestors stayed with the South and while they were mainly doing battle against Union forces in East Tennesse, Middle Tn and in the Western part of NC, they were loyal to the south until Lee surrendered.Tickerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13500388925461726862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35064475254421818402011-09-15T09:33:16.251-07:002011-09-15T09:33:16.251-07:00As stated before, the Cherokees need to go their o...As stated before, the Cherokees need to go their own way, or do what the BIA says. Either they respect the treaty or give up their goodies.<br /><br />From what I have read, Indians have always welcomed other races into their culture. Many of the Seminole Indians that left Florida after the defeat of Spain were a mix of Indian and African heritage. Escaped slaves would go to Florida and become part of the Indian culture.<br /><br />I have also read that it was not unusual for Indians to have slaves, either. So, I don't know how much race had to do with the situation.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3460083357849141282011-09-15T07:12:10.520-07:002011-09-15T07:12:10.520-07:00Ya, there's that, too. They're getting go...Ya, there's that, too. They're getting goodies from the BIA, so how can they tell them 'shove off'?<br /><br />There's the aspect that freedmen have basically been living off the Cherokee goodies they've given them...<br />Do the Cherokees have a right to tell them they're no longer included?<br /><br />If AOW's information is the case, and it seems that it is, if freedmen can't prove they deserve the goodies, then what?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-52649668221983656792011-09-15T06:10:52.025-07:002011-09-15T06:10:52.025-07:00I tend to think that
One, they signed a treaty an...I tend to think that<br /><br />One, they signed a treaty and should follow it. I will conceded one point here though - historically the government has seen fit to disregard treaties when beneficial to them so this does blunt this argument a bit.<br /><br />Two, they get federal benefits they live under the federal rules. Make a deal with the devil...<br /><br />Great Reagan Quote SilverfiddleChuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02467510776931664234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-45965278624709054682011-09-15T06:01:28.632-07:002011-09-15T06:01:28.632-07:00As Ronald Reagan said, "Get in bed with big g...As Ronald Reagan said, "Get in bed with big government and don't be surprised if you get more than a good night's sleep.<br /><br />The Bureau of Indian Affairs have been treating native Americans as a special class (and doing a horrible job). They can't claim special benefits on one hand then go tell the bureau to stuff it on the other hand.<br /><br />Take money from Uncle Sam and he calls the tune...Silverfiddlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13541652236676260219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-40674487383728760362011-09-15T05:57:59.453-07:002011-09-15T05:57:59.453-07:00I'd imitate the "Wise Men of Gotham"...I'd imitate the "<a href="http://www.mainlesson.com/display.php?author=baldwin&book=fifty&story=wise" rel="nofollow">Wise Men of Gotham</a>".Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-10622091709033896302011-09-15T05:52:19.572-07:002011-09-15T05:52:19.572-07:00My daughter just completed her internship with the...My daughter just completed her internship with the FCC Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) advisorsy group researching legal issues associated with radio and communications services on the many reservations. One thing that I learned from her experience, was that US taxpayers spend a lot of money guarantying Native Americans access to cell phones, communications networks, etc.<br /><br />So I'd say that if the Native Americans wish to continue receiving all the aid and assistance that they currently receive from the federal government, they had best comply with the BIA's wishes. Otherwise, let them ween themselves off the federal welfare spigot... and learn what rugged individualism and independence truly means. And if I were one of them, THAT is what I would try and do.Joe Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02696367580635901992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-72146575505822992112011-09-15T05:05:31.784-07:002011-09-15T05:05:31.784-07:00Aha!
...African Americans lost their Cherokee cit...<a href="http://www.theroot.com/buzz/cherokee-nation-us-govt-kick-rocks-black-vote" rel="nofollow">Aha!</a><br /><br /><i>...African Americans lost their Cherokee citizenship last month when the Cherokee Supreme Court voted to support the right of tribal members to change the tribe's constitution on citizenship matters. <b>The change meant that Cherokee Freedmen who could not prove they have a Cherokee blood relation were no longer citizens, making them ineligible to vote in tribal elections or receive benefits....</b></i>Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-54758104819380639392011-09-15T04:54:35.422-07:002011-09-15T04:54:35.422-07:00Must be union ties somewhere.Must be union ties somewhere.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37687463741843209332011-09-15T03:54:19.559-07:002011-09-15T03:54:19.559-07:00Blogger Always On Watch said...
Maybe a backl...Blogger Always On Watch said...<br /><br /> Maybe a backlash against Obama with the present controversy?"<br /><br />AOW: I've been wondering the same thing. <br />Also, the CHerokee didn't own slaves as a nation, individuals did back when, sadly, lots of individuals outside the Cherokee nation had slaves, as well (or not so well, of course)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5556886071786658222011-09-15T03:47:44.816-07:002011-09-15T03:47:44.816-07:00Maybe a backlash against Obama with the present co...Maybe a backlash against Obama with the present controversy?Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2073488267400214632011-09-15T03:47:21.960-07:002011-09-15T03:47:21.960-07:00I looked up the 1866 treaty. I also found THIS at...I looked up the <a href="http://www.african-nativeamerican.com/treatycher.htm" rel="nofollow">1866 treaty</a>. I also found <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> at Wiki; the entry is about the controversy and indicates that the controversy is not a new one.<br /><br />Excerpt from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_freedmen_controversy#BIA_controversy_and_temporary_reinstatement" rel="nofollow">this part</a> of the Wiki entry:<br /><br /><i>On May 22, 2007, the Cherokee Nation received notice from the BIA that the Cherokee Nation’s amendments to the 1975 Cherokee Nation Constitution were rejected because they required BIA approval, which had not been obtained. The BIA also stated concerns that the Cherokee Nation had excluded the Cherokee Freedmen from voting for the 2003 (1999) Constitutional amendments, since they had been improperly shorn of their rights of citizenship years earlier and were not allowed to participate in the constitutional referendum. This is considered a violation of the 1970 Principal Chiefs Act, which requires that all tribal members must vote.<br /><br />According to Chief Smith, the 1975 Indian Self Determination Act overrode the 1970 Principal Chiefs Act and removing the Freedmen descendants was in accordance to the former act....</i><br /><br />The Cherokee Nation is a separate nation, albeit under the oversight of the BIA.<br /><br />Now, in the 1970s (Remember <i>Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee</i>? Remember what happened at Alcatraz Islam?), many liberals felt that the Cherokee Nation should have the right to more self-determination. If so, then the Cherokee Nation can decide who should be a part of the tribe.<br /><br />Anyway, the freedmen issue has been a troubled one in the Cherokee Nation ever since the 1866 treaty.<br /><br />Racial in origin? Yes. But also cultural as the Cherokee view of slavery has been that of enslaving the conquered ones.<br /><br />One reason for the 1866 treaty was that the Cherokee Nation supported the union during the American Civil War. Once the North won, the Cherokee Nation sided with the victor -- also quite typical of a tribal culture.<br /><br />Native Americans do have a lot of benefits -- as alluded to in the article.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-56649364533410525302011-09-15T02:06:58.427-07:002011-09-15T02:06:58.427-07:00As an unrecognized Cherokee (although I meet the &...As an unrecognized Cherokee (although I meet the "quarter-blood" quantum requirement and could "join") I say they ought to tell the Bureau of "Indian" Affairs to go back to Delhi and leave the affairs of a native American protectorate well enough alone. ;)(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.com