tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post5434400178955047337..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Gay Conversion TherapyZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger177125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-21415179437389846472013-03-30T14:19:05.228-07:002013-03-30T14:19:05.228-07:00Confronting REALITY instead of living in a world o...<i>Confronting REALITY instead of living in a world of FANTASY fueled by a certain type of religious conviction might might prove revelatory. </i><br /><br />God's ideal is hardly fantasy neither is it a certain TYPE of religious fantasy. Marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman. You're the revisionist, yours is the fantasy.<br /><br />The alternative to God's ideal is the whims of men. Hardly a foundation worth standing on.<br />elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-10771804013918636182013-03-30T12:49:53.103-07:002013-03-30T12:49:53.103-07:00To use the Bible as justification for persecuting ...To use the Bible as justification for persecuting and restricting the rights and privileges of others deemed "suspicious" "inappropriate, or "undesirable" by the ignorant majority should be regarded as a deadly sin of mammoth proportions<br /><br />if this were the case then one doesn't understand neither the Bible nor it's message. The much larger sin would be equating love with condoning what is clearly not endorsed in the Bible. To God all our works are as filthy rags.<br /><br />Christians couldn't condone homosexuality anymore than they could condone adultery, fornication or thievery. The Bible points out that this is our human condition - one that neither seeks God nor desires what's really best for us. It's all part of our fallen nature. We're not ignorant, to the contrary....we understand the nature of all of us as human beings. Especially apart from God. <br /><br /><i>10 For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws. 11 For the same God who said, “You must not commit adultery,” also said, “You must not murder.”[e] So if you murder someone but do not commit adultery, you have still broken the law.<br /><br />12 So whatever you say or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law that sets you free. 13 There will be no mercy for those who have not shown mercy to others. But if you have been merciful, God will be merciful when he judges you.<br /></i>elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-22397982110541715232013-03-30T11:29:05.670-07:002013-03-30T11:29:05.670-07:00To use the Bible as justification for persecuting ...<i>To use the Bible as justification for persecuting and restricting the rights and privileges of others deemed "suspicious" "inappropriate, or "undesirable" by the ignorant majority should be regarded as a deadly sin of mammoth proportions</i><br /><br />If there were only religious appeals you may have a point. see my comments above<br /><br />I would ask in what way would this benefit society as a whole? Gays will benefit very little as few of them would actually want to marry. (assuming the research in proclivity for promiscuousness in homosexuals is true). <br /><br /><i>Congress rested its authority to pass the Civil Rights Act not on the Constitution’s guarantee of the “equal protection of the laws,” but on its power to regulate interstate commerce. When such a “right” is extended (for the individual to be free from “discrimination” in employment), it infringes upon what would otherwise be the customary right of the employer to determine the qualifications for employment. The extension of historic constitutional rights is a “win-win” situation, but the extension of laws against employment discrimination is more of a “zero-sum” game—when one (such as the employment applicant) wins more protection, another (the employer) actually loses a corresponding measure of freedom. It is because of this that lawmakers should be exceedingly cautious, rather than generous, about expanding the categories of protection against private employment discrimination.<br />Because of our national shame at the historic legacy of racial discrimination against blacks, many people have come to think of “discrimination” as inherently evil. However, the basic meaning of “discriminate” is simply “to make a distinction.” To compare and evaluate candidates based on their education, experience, intelligence, and competence is inherently “discrimination.” The question, therefore, is not whether “discrimination” will take place—it can, it will and it must. The question for public policy is: which forms of “discrimination” are so profoundly offensive to the national conscience that they justify government action that interferes with the rights of employers and other private entities and gives special protections to certain classes of people?<br />In the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Congress answered that question by including only five categories of protection. As noted above, those categories were: “race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.” For instance, a banker could deny an applicant a loan because the applicant was not credit-worthy, but not because he or she was Jewish or black. What do these protected categories have in common?<br />While there is no definitive legal answer, the most logical answer would seem to be that the case for granting legal protection against “discrimination” is strongest when based on a personal characteristic that is:<br /><br />• Inborn, involuntary, and immutable (like race and color);<br />• Innocuous (because it does no harm to the employer, to the individual, or to society as a whole); and/or<br />• In the Constitution.<br /><br />Is “sexual orientation,” like race and sex, a characteristic that is inborn, involuntary, immutable, innocuous, and in the Constitution? Is it, like religion (which is not inborn, involuntary, immutable, or necessarily innocuous, but is in the Constitution), a characteristic that meets even one of these criteria?<br /><br />The only truthful answer is no.<br /></i>elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37670883867196053102013-03-30T11:14:02.688-07:002013-03-30T11:14:02.688-07:00Confronting REALITY instead of living in a world o...<i>Confronting REALITY instead of living in a world of FANTASY fueled by a certain type of religious conviction might might prove revelatory. </i><br /><br />The world as it is...is fallen. I wouldn't expect anything less. Does this make hanging a sign on a horse that says "cow" make that horse a cow?<br /><br />and what will happen when <a href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/polygamist-appeals-bigamy-convictions-to-utah-high-court" rel="nofollow">bigamists</a> want to be included in that definition? Would you be like Ted Olsen and say that those relationships would be excluded also? If so why? What will be the foundation on which you make your appeal? <br /><br />elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66078536662435869522013-03-30T11:06:04.567-07:002013-03-30T11:06:04.567-07:00and of course you understand that Spitzer has more...and of course you understand that Spitzer has more some emotional appeal to back up what he said.<br /><br /><i>The strongest scientific evidence of this was provided by one of the most unlikely sources...</i><br /><br />If the flawed studies that are appealed to by homosexuals as evidence for a biological reason then shouldn't the evidence to the contrary be given equal weight?<br /><br />So you may argue with your emotional appeals but even the Supreme Court asked the very same questions in which revisionists often call homophobic.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19054945761627744832013-03-30T11:01:26.563-07:002013-03-30T11:01:26.563-07:00There's a great deal MORE evidence that appare...<i>There's a great deal MORE evidence that apparently HETEROSEXUAL orientation can be changed also, EB.</i><br /><br />In either case it's clear that what changes us isn't biological though. Romans chapter 1 says that God gives them over to a depraved mind.<br /><br /><i>18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.<br /><br />21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.<br /><br />24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.<br /><br />26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.<br /><br />28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.<br /></i><br /><br />If the Bible won't suffice perhaps the <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/03/why-marriage-matters-consequences-of-redefining-marriage" rel="nofollow">conjugal argument would </a><br /><br /><a href="http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF07K01.pdf" rel="nofollow">Civil rights issue?</a> Not really.<br /><br />All that's left is some morally relativistic argument that based on what?? Empiricism? Reason? Emotion? Science? Existentialism....????<br /><br />Shifting sands FT...not a tenable argument when the foundation might be different tomorrow.<br /><br />I do know what anyone is capable of. It's spelled out in the very Book that spells out God's ideal. elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-9359599298824848242013-03-28T14:00:38.950-07:002013-03-28T14:00:38.950-07:00There's a great deal MORE evidence that appare...There's a great deal MORE evidence that apparently HETEROSEXUAL orientation can be changed also, EB.<br /><br />Everything written by the "Let's Get Rid of Gayness, Because It's Evil" faction is tendentious in the extreme, and I believe the findings of people like Dr. Spitzer -- and the stories told by Michele Bachmann's embarrassingly effeminate husband -- are largely spurious -- the result of self-delusion and wishful thinking on the part of "patients" and therapists alike. Even if sincerely motivated, this is still charlatanism of a particularly cruel nature.<br /><br />Neglected too in this prolonged discussion is the widespread phenomenon of BISEXUALITY.<br /><br />You never really know what your brother, husband, uncle, grandfather, boyfriend, girlfriend, son, daughter, niece, nephew -- or WIFE -- is capable of.<br /><br />Confronting REALITY instead of living in a world of FANTASY fueled by a certain type of religious conviction might might prove revelatory. <br /><br />Better to deal with life as it <i>is</i> rather than as you <i>wish</i> it could be.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-64644426518269571982013-03-28T13:46:14.903-07:002013-03-28T13:46:14.903-07:00" ... whether you think gay conversion therap...<b><i>" ... whether you think gay conversion therapy is good or bad, isn't it nuts to ban it by law?"</i></b><br /><br />Since you brought it up, I think it was "nuts" to legislate AGAINST homosexual activity in the first place.<br /><br /><i>"To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."</i><br /><br />Isn't that one of the primary laws of Physics?<br /><br />It applies also to the presumption that any one of us has the right or the duty to inveigh against private concerns few are equipped to understand.<br /><br />To use the Bible as justification for persecuting and restricting the rights and privileges of others deemed "suspicious" "inappropriate, or "undesirable" by the ignorant majority should be regarded as a deadly sin of mammoth proportions.<br /><br /><i>[Please review "It's the Belligerence, Stupid!" published at FreeThinke's Blog last summer.]</i>FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-15373326818986169282013-03-27T22:07:08.122-07:002013-03-27T22:07:08.122-07:00There are thousands of former homosexuals. The str...<i>There are thousands of former homosexuals. The strongest scientific evidence of this was provided by one of the most unlikely sources. Robert L. Spitzer is a psychiatrist who was instrumental in pushing for the controversial 1973 decision of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. That event was a crucial early victory for homosexual activists.<br />Nevertheless, Dr. Spitzer had the intellectual honesty to accept a challenge to study the results of what is called “reparative therapy” for homosexuality. Reparative therapy is a mental health treatment designed to reduce unwanted homosexual attractions and behavior.<br />Dr. Spitzer studied 200 people who had reported some measure of change from a homosexual to a heterosexual orientation. He published his conclusions in 2003:<br />This study indicates that some gay men and lesbians, following reparative therapy, report that they have made major changes from a predominantly homosexual orientation to a predominantly heterosexual orientation. The changes following reparative therapy were not limited to sexual behavior and sexual orientation self-identity. The changes encompassed sexual attraction, arousal, fantasy, yearning, and being bothered by homosexual feelings. The changes encompassed the core aspects of sexual orientation.25<br />Spitzer also notes that a survey of the literature in 2001 by another researcher found at least 19 studies that include tangible data suggesting a homosexual orientation can be changed.</i>elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-72024913453100568792013-03-27T10:03:26.875-07:002013-03-27T10:03:26.875-07:00When still young, Gore Vidal, already gaining cele...When still young, Gore Vidal, already gaining celebrity and a degree of notoriety, was asked in an interview about his as-yet-undetermined sexual orientation -- a very delicate subject in those days. After managing to evade the question adroitly, the interviewer grew exasperated, and finally asked him point blank, <i>"Okay, was the first time you had sex with a man or was it a woman?"</i><br /> <br />Vidal without missing a beat smiled wryly and said, <i><b>"I'm not sure, I was too polite to ask."</b></i> <br />FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-31632726337919006662013-03-27T09:46:11.551-07:002013-03-27T09:46:11.551-07:00FT, you think the GAY MARRIAGE "movement"...FT, you think the GAY MARRIAGE "movement" is fiendishly go dictatorial??<br /><br />And I don't believe gays are "traditionally despised"...for YEARS, I've known gay men who just lived their lives, who didn't march, didn't make demands, nobody hated them at all.<br />Whether they really wanted to marry is up for grabs because gay men I've known have told me they wouldn't want to marry. <br />Perhaps that's because marriage seemed like a total pipe dream but they told me it was because they liked being with different men. I don't nkow.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27412067991834495202013-03-27T07:10:31.641-07:002013-03-27T07:10:31.641-07:00Ours is an age where ethics has become obsolete. I...Ours is an age where ethics has become obsolete. It is superceded by science, deleted by philosophy and dismissed as emotive by psychology. It is drowned in compassion, evaporates into aesthetics and retreats before relativism. The usual moral distinctions between good and bad are simply drowned in a maudlin emotion in which we feel more sympathy for the murderer than for the murdered, for the adulterer than for the betrayed, and in which we have actually begun to believe that the real guilty party, the one who somehow caused it all, is the victim, and not the perpetrator of the crime- Robert Fitch<br /><br />Ethics apart from God is wrong headed because its up for grabs. Ravi Zachariaselmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-40548089648846486842013-03-27T07:04:18.379-07:002013-03-27T07:04:18.379-07:00POINTS YOU MAY NOT HAVE PONDERED on the ISSUE GAY ...POINTS YOU MAY NOT HAVE PONDERED on the ISSUE GAY MARRIAGE<br /><br /><b>Does no one see the incredible irony of congress -- <i>the supposed representatives of the CITIZENRY as a WHOLE</i> -- having abdicated their responsibility and handed over their authority to a <i>de facto</i> oligarchy of NINE quasi-dictators in black robes?</b><br /><br />Your right to pursue happiness -- my right to pursue happiness -- and the rights of any and all <i>minorities</i> to pursue happiness are now defined, determined, restricted and <i>controlled</i> by loose consensus among NINE little people each of whom steps into his trousers or her panties one leg at a time just like the rest of us.<br /><br />Often it works out that FIVE little people in black robes determines the fate of a nation comprising more than THREE-HUNDRED MILLION souls.<br /><br />Whether these <i>de facto</i> oligarchs do the "right thing" according to <i>your</i> understanding, or <i>my</i> understanding, or not is not -- <i>nor should it be</i> -- our main concern. <br /><br /><b>If we abandon the concept of Separation of Powers and permit any one of the three branches of government to assume dictatorial control over the others, we are in grave danger of losing our Representative Republic -- and thus losing any measure of control we, as citizens, have over the powers that govern us.</b><br /><br /><b>We may love this phwnomenon when it appears to work in "our" favor, but in abandoning Principle in favor of Sentiment -- even the noblest, most generous, most merciful, most high-minded sentiment -- we also abandon our Liberty.</b><br /><br />This Gay Marriage issue might <i>purport</i> to be about achieving "equality" for a misunderstood, traditionally despised minority --- and I'm sure for many ill-informed individuals, who do not care about anything that does not appear to affect <i>their</i> little lives directly that is true --- but regardless of anyone's personal feelings and fondest wishes, the movement is rooted NOT in a passion for "Social Justice," but in a fiendish desire to assume DICTATORIAL POWER and thus the ability to push perceived ideological enemies around at will.<br /><br /><b>THREE RELEVANT QUOTATIONS from DISTINGUISHED SAGES:</b><br /><br /><br /><i>"The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions."</i> <br /><br />~ Socrates (470-399 B. C.)<br /><br /><b><i>"We can never be sure that the opinion we wish to stifle is a false opinion; and if we were sure, stifling it would be an evil still."</i></b><br /><br />~ John Stuart Mill (1806-1873)<br /><br /><i>"The only prize much cared for by the powerful is power. The prize of the General is not a bigger tent, but command."</i><br /><br /><i><b>"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought –– not free thought for those that agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate."</b></i><br /><br />~ Oliver W. Holmes (1841-1935)<br /><br /><br />And finally an observation from Alexis de Tocqueville that ought to pique our interest and spur serious thought and sober conversation:<br /><br /><i>"Democratic nations care little for what has been but are haunted by visions of what will be . . . Thus not only does democracy make every man forget his ancestors, but it hides his descendants and separates his contemporaries from him; it throws him back forever on himself alone <b>and threatens in the end to confine him to the solitude of his own heart</b>."</i><br /><br />~ Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859)<br />FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-11886188707293650982013-03-27T03:39:07.214-07:002013-03-27T03:39:07.214-07:00Kid, EB, and Z,
The Christians of whom I was spea...Kid, EB, and Z, <br />The Christians of whom I was speaking in comment above are committed to study of the Scriptures and claim to believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life (literally). The claim to believe in the Ten Commandments as the moral compass for their lives. <br /><br />Still, they are mealy mouthing around.<br /><br />One of these parents named her son Elijah because the Old Testament prophet was strong enough to stand up to the prophets of Baal. <br />Clearly, she admires the prophet Elijah. Yet, she thinks that Islam is "okay." She's not alone in failing to recognize the similarities between Allah and Baal -- and gets very uncomfortable when I say that Allah is a pagan god. They seem to have no difficulties in recognizing that other gods are pagan gods. But not Allah!<br /><br />I have no desire to persecute Muslims. But any criticism of Islam -- even a study of the history of Islam -- is seen by most people as persecuting Muslims. <br /><br />All this compromise and moral relativism = boiling the frog. The frog never knows that he's being boiled, but rather is only happy that he's nice and warm. Sheesh.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192688822955022541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-68338714593020513082013-03-27T02:44:08.065-07:002013-03-27T02:44:08.065-07:00Note to Ducky
Gay conversion idea is a stupid ide...Note to Ducky<br /><br />Gay conversion idea is a stupid idea that doesn't work. We should extend this to teaching Marx whose stupid ideas have been proven lethal. <br /><br />Gay conversion is stupid, but not lethal. Gay conversion nuts have not committed mass crimes against humanity or treason in the USA.<br /><br />Marxists should have to wear the letter M for moron on all their clothing. They should be required to <br />pay additional taxes for their stupidity. <br /><br />The above is inspired by the Jim Crow dhimmi laws that Ducky thinks are peachy when applied to Jews and Christians.<br /><br />Marxism=Stupidity=Treason=Death<br /><br />As for the Duck on gays, he is quite <br />fond of throwing the term out as a cause of shame. There are many cool gay people and some are my friends and coworkers. There is no such animal as an intelligent Marxist. Sheep and lemmings are not known for <br />intelligence.<br /><br />The folks in Van Nuys make a product<br />that is purchased by many. What has Bill Ayers, Chomsky or your average<br />Marxist hack produced that is valued. <br /><br />beakerkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088967209404588378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57231095316573665572013-03-26T18:14:36.445-07:002013-03-26T18:14:36.445-07:00"muslims who do NOT want you and me dead.&quo..."muslims who do NOT want you and me dead."<br /><br />Agreed Z..Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44091475618771204152013-03-26T17:38:20.035-07:002013-03-26T17:38:20.035-07:00well, maybe not me :-) HEH HEH!!well, maybe not me :-) HEH HEH!!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-7025238957215999822013-03-26T17:38:11.184-07:002013-03-26T17:38:11.184-07:00Kid "for animal happiness"...:0)
I think...Kid "for animal happiness"...:0)<br />I think you're absolutely right about the two kinds of Democrats.<br />Heck, Ducky thinks Obama's on the RIGHT, so you know where Ducky is ...and he's not alone, sadly.<br /><br />Sadly, both are furthering the agenda right now...the politicians and their idiot childish followers who are asleep at the wheel just believing that "at least the animals will be happy"<br />Oh, and we won't have RACISM, as if Republicans LIKE racism. Man.<br /><br />I see your point on Islam, but cult or not, I know there are muslims who do NOT want you and me dead. Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3548931286739277942013-03-26T16:35:37.081-07:002013-03-26T16:35:37.081-07:00FT, I have no idea what you're talking about b...FT, I have no idea what you're talking about but I do believe everyone here has a right to their opinion.<br /><br />Bob, did you see my comment above?<br />When I first got back on line, I read a few comments and wrote: "My God, it gets to be a chance for people to spout their prejudices, try to prove they're right and everybody else is wrong."<br /><br />It was more than that, however, and you picked up on it..it became POLITICS when, really, all I wondered was how anybody could BAN a therapy only offered to those who ask for it. It seems incredible to me. Nobody's forced into it. <br />But, of course, we got the highly stupid remarks about Bachman and her husband because they have been fairly successful in leading people from the homosexual lifestyle. God forbid those people might be happier, huh?<br />And, of course, there are people who don't WANT to be straight. FINE, they shouldn't seek therapy and don't need to go to Bachmann's clinic, right? DON'T GO! WHo's forcing you to? <br />But, if people want to go, why should they be blocked from it by law?<br /><br />My Sunday Faith Post will be an eye opener and it's sort of on this subject...at least it dovetails it.<br /><br />Elbro; beautiful point about ignoring God's Word. <br />And, of course, those who are not believers don't have to. <br /><br />Kid, that's the fallacy the left likes to spout about muslims BUT I'd say that most muslims in this country are NOT terrorists and therefore don't deserve the hateful looks, etc.<br />Sadly, we must be on guard because we will never know which ARE plotting. And, of course, their faith literally SAYS to lie to us if it serves their allah. Scary stuff.<br /><br />Kid, my opinion has always been; where are the American muslims who are just as worried by muslim terrorists as we are, and why are they not marching against them in droves? That would, or at least COULD, show Americans that they're with us.<br />Still, there are stories of muslims who HAVE turned islamists in and we've benefited by that. they should be touted but they can't be known or they'd die.<br />Some religion, huh?<br /><br />And then hateful people with a secular agenda liken it to Christianity because one nutso idiot "christian" kills her children every 10 years.<br /><br /><br />Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-48574731984271137832013-03-26T15:22:55.871-07:002013-03-26T15:22:55.871-07:00AOW, I could be wrong, but I believe few people kn...AOW, I could be wrong, but I believe few people know the truth about islam because the people they get their information from - gov and media, are both too cowardly and PC braindead.<br /><br />I'd say the Christians you mention are victims of this absurd propaganda fantasy that muslims are just like any other 'followers'.<br /><br />Because of all the hypocrisy, I can't see how it's anything else.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05287399775879832602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2319466763990821592013-03-26T11:58:57.711-07:002013-03-26T11:58:57.711-07:00If indeed its true that scientific/biological evid...If indeed its true that scientific/biological evidence for homosexuality is lacking than the answer is a spiritual one or for those who are not of faith, a political oneelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-28950478027358890112013-03-26T11:55:29.436-07:002013-03-26T11:55:29.436-07:00Ignoring Gods Word as it relates to our sinful nat...Ignoring Gods Word as it relates to our sinful nature is just as dangerous. Moral relativism has no place in the Christs economy. Otherwise He died for naughtelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-20653531727621792422013-03-26T09:51:02.439-07:002013-03-26T09:51:02.439-07:00So, after 160 comments does anyone have any idea i...So, after 160 comments does anyone have any idea if there was a consensus about gay conversion therapy? <br /><br />Even in the first comment, Ed got political. It seems that we are framing everything in political terms, and isolating ourselves to the point that if and when conclusive science comes about with regard to human sexual preferences, most people here would ignore the evidence because they are dug into their positions.<br /><br />Elmers Brother correctly points out that studies that point to genetic or biological reasons for human sexual preference have not been verified. It is equally true that so-called gay conversion therapy is only an anecdotal proposition. It is not scientific at all.<br /><br />Z got answers to her question, "What do you think?" Unfortunately, many think of sexual preference in only political terms.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17665311979954859271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14654437487371708072013-03-26T09:07:00.415-07:002013-03-26T09:07:00.415-07:00CONGRATULATIONS!
Yet-another marathon Idolization...CONGRATULATIONS!<br /><br />Yet-another marathon Idolization of Ignorance and Carnival of Contempt in a seemingly endless has been produced. <br /><br />What a wonderful way to bring unbelievers to Jesus Christ! <br /><br />I'm sure it could never fail to help bring in the Millennium.FreeThinkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16682678301019952436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79950253222414462022013-03-26T07:02:22.696-07:002013-03-26T07:02:22.696-07:00I see what you mentioned in young people who are C...I see what you mentioned in young people who are Christians, but I have discuses this issue with several pastors who will not confront this issue for fear of offending. Ill ask them if they would confront an adulterer or a thief and they say of course but not this one. The Church has become irrelevant as it ignores these issues. elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.com