tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post6247594352025664036..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Sunday Faith BlogZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2058438926116723632009-09-10T04:55:35.474-07:002009-09-10T04:55:35.474-07:00Z: It should be said that asking students too youn...Z: <i>It should be said that asking students too young to have their own opinions about war, for example, to walk against a war they really know only their teachers' opinions about , against the president,is marching against a president. Yes, that's what it is</i>.<br /><br />Strong partisan rhetoric aside(that is what it is, what you want to say), marching against the war policy of a president is marching about a particular issue, not marching against the person of the president or showing personal disrespect to him. <br /><br />I don’t think we should ever tell children they are too young to have opinions.<br /><br /><i>Gibbs represents his boss; Gibbs' remark was along the lines of "Well, you can't put any stock in anything Cheney's said in the last 8 years...heh heh" That's undignified and thuggish; it's WE WON - PAY BACK TIME NOOOOWWWW!! and that's not the way the WH has been run in the past</i>.<br /><br />I think it was a joke, and clearly presented as such. It was an understandable response to Cheney saying. “And now, he is making some choices that in my mind will, in fact, raise the risk to the American people of another attack.”<br /><br />I don’t think Glenn Beck was joking when he said the president has a deep-seated hatred of white people and is a racist. Even if what Gibbs is not intended as a joke, it doesn’t justify what Beck said. Nor is it as mean-spirited as Beck’s remark.<br /><br /><i>I don't admire Scarborough too much but he's even wronger than usual on that last paragraph, of course</i>.<br /><br />Of course, far rightwingers are not going to be fond of Joe Scarborough or happy about what he says.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-3875056880492922292009-09-10T01:38:46.632-07:002009-09-10T01:38:46.632-07:00It should be said that asking students too young t...It should be said that asking students too young to have their own opinions about war, for example, to walk against a war they really know only their teachers' opinions about , against the president,is marching against a president. Yes, that's what it is. <br /><br />Gibbs represents his boss; Gibbs' remark was along the lines of "Well, you can't put any stock in anything Cheney's said in the last 8 years...heh heh" That's undignified and thuggish; it's WE WON - PAY BACK TIME NOOOOWWWW!! and that's not the way the WH has been run in the past. <br /><br />I don't admire Scarborough too much but he's even wronger than usual on that last paragraph, of course.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73132838489079020202009-09-09T03:46:27.493-07:002009-09-09T03:46:27.493-07:00Z: of course the Democrats have also ruined our ch...Z: <i>of course the Democrats have also ruined our children with disrespect for the past president.In Los Angeles, elementary school children were encouraged to march against him. The indoctrination of the left is so chilling to our children that they'll never recover, but that's FINE for the leftwingers, isn't it. Machiavelli lives</i>.<br /><br />of course you would mischaracterize a demonstration that got you riled up as disrespect for the Republican president past. It was almost certainly, if indeed thus was a chidren's crusade, as you want ot pretend, a march for a cause, an issue, not a “<i>march against him</i>.” Orwell lives. He guideth you to once green pastures.<br /><br />oh, you may never recover, Z, but I think the children will become more politically aware. Encouraging engagement with important issues is all to the good in this country, in my humble view. <br /><br />when Reagan spoke to a bunch of school kids in 1988 in the White House. he sold his conservative view of the country and reaganomics. As Glenn Beck, in tearing into Obama, has griped, “Get ‘em while they’re young.”<br /><br /><i>And, of course, this is the very first president who's frequently insulted the past president and VP....and calls by NAME conservative representatives who dare criticize this administration</i>.<br /><br />of course you give a pass to the harsh criticism from the former VP Dick Cheney. I think Obama has a policy disagreement with Bush. He didn’t make <i>ad hominem</i> remarks. I didn’t know you liked Bush so much, Z.<br /><br /><i>No respect at all from the Chicago elitist thugs who don't even KNOW better. I wish Bush would speak now but he feels it's not dignified to speak out on a new president's actions. Very sad that the country loses because Republicans are kinder and more civil</i>.<br /><br />not satisfied with Cheney’s griping? He criticizes the present president on his policies as well as the former president on his failure to pardon Libby for perjury. However, you should recognize there is distinction between criticism and plain disrespect, unless you're a devout Orwellian.<br /><br />Monica Crowley on Fox equated Obama with Chairman Mao. Another Republican equated him with Kim Jong Il. Michelle Malkin claimed Obama is turning the children into “guinea pigs.” Others scream indoctrination. Glenn Beck declared that Obama was a racist who had “a deep-seated hatred of white people.” Kinder and more civil? Ya, that would be the judgment I'd expect to hear from you, Z. Very sad. If they were nicer, they would say instead that our president is a thug, or a Chicago thug, or a fascist. But that’s right: They often DO say that.<br /><br /><i>Joe Scarborough, congressman from the Republicans' Class of 94, Florida conservative, now host of "Morning Joe" on MSNBC, speaks the truth to the crazies -- and their enablers.<br /><br />"Where are the national GOP leaders speaking out against this kind of hysteria?" Scarborough asked Friday in a Twitter entry.<br /><br />And, bolstering his point two minutes later: <br /><br />"Indoctrination of socialism? The president as a racist? Death panels? Seriously? That's all you've got. If so, it's time for you to go home."</i>psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-21249354488655585862009-09-09T03:43:05.188-07:002009-09-09T03:43:05.188-07:00Freedomsow: My previous comment was addressed to &...Freedomsow: <i>My previous comment was addressed to "PSI BLONDE"...</i> <br /><br />What sort of poster names himself after a poster? Eh, Freedomcow?psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-85714585406959275352009-09-09T03:41:29.359-07:002009-09-09T03:41:29.359-07:00Freedomnow: President Bush was elected so please s...Freedomnow: <i>President Bush was elected so please save your B.S. about respecting an elected presiden</i>.<br /><br />There is some honest disagreement concerning whether the people elected Bush or he was selected by the Supreme Court in 2000. <br /><br />It seems you don’t believe in doing unto the president from the other guy’s party as you would want done unto the president from your own party.<br /><br /><i>Perhaps you have been sleeping for the past 8+ years, but the Democratic Party has made its political fortune from encouraging the disrespect of our 43rd president</i>.<br /><br />It seems you have been out propagandizing during that same period, because, in my view, Democrats have been criticizing Bush’s disastrous policies, as have many Republicans..<br /><br /><i>Now that we have a president from the Democratic Party, its not enought to respect him, you cant disagree with him without being accused of being hateful or a racist</i>.<br /><br />Although I have been accused of it here, I have not accused you or anyone here of being racist. Accusing someone of calling you a racist is known as pulling the race card.<br /><br />It may be considered hateful to refuse the man simple respect. Conflating disagreement with disrespect is very Orwellian.<br /><br /><i>This is nothing but Orwellian nonsense. The old battle cry "Dissent is Patriotic" has been dumped by the 'Democratic' Left quicker than Obama can push past associates under a bus...</i> <br /><br />Indeed, dissent is patriotic, but strident disrespect of elected leaders is not, Freedomnow. The logic is not so hard: If you think Bush should have been respected for being the president, then, by logic, you should agree that Obama ought to be respected for being the president, whatever reservations you have about him. You can denounce him for what he does, but you shouldn’t refuse him the same rights as Republican presidents.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-51433934851357427052009-09-09T03:38:38.458-07:002009-09-09T03:38:38.458-07:00Brooke: "Frank Luntz and liberal critics may ...Brooke: <b>"Frank Luntz and liberal critics may be right: Only the crazies deny simple respect to the president we elect."</b> <br /><br /><i>LOL! So, did everyone on the left suddenly become miraculously sane after President Bush left office, 'cause we all know how respectful the left was of him</i>.<br /><br />I think most liberals saw a difference between Bush’s policies and the office he held. I did. <br /><br />LOL It was, I believe, Jesus who said, “Do unto Democratic presidents as you would want done unto Republican ones.”psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-58764564724930490702009-09-08T08:01:12.045-07:002009-09-08T08:01:12.045-07:00of course the Democrats have also ruined our child...of course the Democrats have also ruined our children with disrespect for the past president.<br />In Los Angeles, elementary school children were encouraged to march against him. The indoctrination of the left is so chilling to our children that they'll never recover, but that's FINE for the leftwingers, isn't it. Machiavelli lives.<br /><br />And, of course, this is the very first president who's frequently insulted the past president and VP....and calls by NAME conservative representatives who dare criticize this administration.<br /><br />No respect at all from the Chicago elitist thugs who don't even KNOW better. I wish Bush would speak now but he feels it's not dignified to speak out on a new president's actions. Very sad that the country loses because Republicans are kinder and more civil.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-40824252357400846552009-09-08T04:37:39.942-07:002009-09-08T04:37:39.942-07:00Hi Brooke! I didnt think anyone was awake this ti...Hi Brooke! I didnt think anyone was awake this time of the morning.<br /><br />My previous comment was addressed to "PSI BLONDE"...Freedomnowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09498640235994153216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-10197515163614962732009-09-08T04:24:28.186-07:002009-09-08T04:24:28.186-07:00President Bush was elected so please save your B.S...President Bush was elected so please save your B.S. about respecting an elected president.<br /><br />Perhaps you have been sleeping for the past 8+ years, but the Democratic Party has made its political fortune from encouraging the disrespect of our 43rd president.<br /><br />Now that we have a president from the Democratic Party, its not enought to respect him, you cant disagree with him without being accused of being hateful or a racist.<br /><br />This is nothing but Orwellian nonsense. The old battle cry "Dissent is Patriotic" has been dumped by the 'Democratic' Left quicker than Obama can push past associates under a bus...Freedomnowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09498640235994153216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-86094659824221260802009-09-08T04:10:33.295-07:002009-09-08T04:10:33.295-07:00"Frank Luntz and liberal critics may be right...<i>"Frank Luntz and liberal critics may be right: Only the crazies deny simple respect to the president we elect.</i>"<br /><br />LOL! So, did everyone on the left suddenly become miraculously sane after President Bush left office, 'cause we all know how <i>respectful</i> the left was of him.Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977090801334626461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-23597439511890172792009-09-08T03:22:08.156-07:002009-09-08T03:22:08.156-07:00I'm glad you changed your mind; I don't th...I'm glad you changed your mind; I don't think it subverts your blog or America to allow other voices to be heard.<br /><br />Z: <i>Oh, psi bond. You just sound so darned silly it's gettin' kinda fun..if it weren't so terribly sad</i>.<br /><br />In my own view, it's so darned silly that you folks need to viciously politicize everything. Frank Luntz and liberal critics may be right: Only the crazies deny simple respect to the president we elect.<br /><br />Let our children go.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-6629171037969503402009-09-07T19:08:48.756-07:002009-09-07T19:08:48.756-07:00Ah, gosh, Psi bond...I'll let this stay this t...Ah, gosh, Psi bond...I'll let this stay this time.<br />I'm SO 'ashamed' that I don't want presidents indoctrinating my kids, telling them to 'wash their hands', telling them to study hard so they can cure cancer when he's got policies where we'll have no money for cancer research...telling them to STUDY HARD and BE A SUCCESS when they'll be told out of the other side of his mouth that "we'll redistribute your money"...do you not THINK? tsk <br /><br />Oh, psi bond. You just sound so darned silly it's gettin' kinda fun..if it weren't so terribly sad.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12985444474643915552009-09-07T18:40:53.861-07:002009-09-07T18:40:53.861-07:00Some conservatives say the furor over the speech b...<i>Some conservatives say the furor over the speech by the right threatens to discredit Republicans as they battle with the White House and Congress over health care, the budget and other important policy issues. "People should chill out a little -- they don't have to criticize [Mr. Obama] for everything he does," said Frank Luntz, a onetime strategist for Republican candidates. Conservative critics, he said, need to "pick your battles," or "at some point the public will stop listening."</i> <br /><br />-- Wall Street Journal, September 5, 2009<br /><br />______________________________________<br /><br />New York Daily News<br />Listen up, kids: Campaign against the <br />President's school talk is despicable<br /><br />Editorials <br />Sunday, September 6th 2009, 4:00 AM <br /><br />The furor over President Obama's planned address to the nation's students Tuesday is a disgusting display of disrespect and mindless political hatred.<br /><br />Parents and educators who are ready to pull kids from school, as though a speech by our democratically elected President is akin to the swine flu, should be ashamed. <br /><br />In the remarks, to be shown live on the White House Web site and on cable TV, Obama will urge children to work hard and stay in school. <br /><br />Never has a less political or controversial message been spoken. Never has a more powerful messenger - a man who worked his way to the highest office in the land by excelling in school - been eager to deliver it. <br /><br />Yet the haters conjure images of the President controlling the airwaves to brainwash Obama Youth with a socialist screed. One commentator even compared the President to Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong Il. <br /><br />As partisans have stoked the flames, school districts in Texas and elsewhere are giving children the chance to opt out. How idiotic. The speech is to be celebrated, not feared. <br /><br />Kids: Whether or not your parents voted for Barack Obama, whether or not you like him, he is our President. As was George W. Bush. As was Bill Clinton. <a rel="nofollow"><b>As was George H.W. Bush, who gave a similar speech in 1991. </b></a><br /><br />He deserves your respect. And at least a few moments of your undivided attention.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44881010100834791902009-09-07T04:29:33.596-07:002009-09-07T04:29:33.596-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53859623908557972812009-09-07T04:27:25.051-07:002009-09-07T04:27:25.051-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14542975736912629172009-09-06T22:45:27.965-07:002009-09-06T22:45:27.965-07:00Well said Z, nice post, good to hear more people a...Well said Z, nice post, good to hear more people are repelling the socialist advances.MathewKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14385674205383405783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-75221642414410191512009-09-06T22:29:13.683-07:002009-09-06T22:29:13.683-07:00OH, psi bond...I wish you'd read my comment. ...OH, psi bond...I wish you'd read my comment. Anything you're commenting with now just seems silly.<br />When you get your pem blog, you can leave your comments as long as you like. Sadly, with the history or disrespect you've shown, you're going to have to be deleted when I see comments I don't want here. Remember, it's my blog, not where you think you're educating anybody!!! <br /><br />and you clearly work so hard to keep information and keep posting and keep posting and keep posting...<br />I'll be here in the morning deleting again. see you thenZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-7066902226764176712009-09-06T19:45:14.397-07:002009-09-06T19:45:14.397-07:00Oh, I'm so sorry, psi bond..
but this IS my Su...Oh, I'm so sorry, psi bond..<br />but this IS my Sunday Faith Blog and I'm tired of the political stuff. As you'd said, you don't enjoy talking politics on Sunday, either, right?<br /><br />Your 3 or 4 comments regarding Republicans who think it's just wonderful that Obama's speaking to the children is commendable and I appreciate your taking such trouble to educate us; the problem is, we've seen it all. And, they have different values than some of us do; remember, the Republican tent is huge; we even disagree with each other in public, something I have never seen Democrats do, to their credit.<br /><br />See, AS WE'VE SAID HERE...it's not so much the talking that bothered us...it's the curriculum that came with it; that's a first...for any administration. We just can't have American children writing any promises to our president. <br />Most kids have parents who can direct/lead them and you'll see that evidenced in some of the excellent comments here above the ones I deleted of yours.<br /><br />OH, and by the way, the curriculum got changed when the Conservatives spoke up. Right before Van Jones "resigned".Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-45904260736294690802009-09-06T19:12:11.848-07:002009-09-06T19:12:11.848-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.psi bondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16900724279414147038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5067046102458355322009-09-06T18:43:46.767-07:002009-09-06T18:43:46.767-07:00Dang, I went to to work for a few hours and missed...Dang, I went to to work for a few hours and missed the party!<br /><br />Well said, all. I've enjoyed reading the banter.Brookehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977090801334626461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-78289939120669045182009-09-06T17:17:56.776-07:002009-09-06T17:17:56.776-07:00DaBlade: I'd written this earlier in an above ...DaBlade: I'd written this earlier in an above comment "ALTHOUGH I will say his POLICIES discourage their working hard and getting ahead and MAKING BIG MONEY. Sure "work your bottoms off to get into a good college, do well, study hard, make big money in business....and we'll REDISTRIBUTE IT FOR YOU!"<br /><br />I couldn't agree with you more.<br /><br />Don't forget, Michelle is a woman who had about a $200K position at a Chicago hospital..SO important that they didn't have to replace her after she left. whew.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-81918685591637167782009-09-06T17:11:09.879-07:002009-09-06T17:11:09.879-07:00Getting back to Obama's planned chalkboard-sid...Getting back to Obama's planned chalkboard-side chat... I have a problem with more than just the "lesson plan", though that is an outrage. Michelle is on record as discouraging youths from corporate jobs and joining her husband's civilian security force instead, so why stay in school? You don't need a degree to wield a baton in front of a polling booth.DaBladehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16160781062081889980noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-5016318281451383402009-09-06T17:06:33.143-07:002009-09-06T17:06:33.143-07:00very well said, Prisvery well said, PrisZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-39462926603010994512009-09-06T16:51:05.193-07:002009-09-06T16:51:05.193-07:00Well said Pris.Well said Pris.Papa Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03544402123543832168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-70569381207897746382009-09-06T16:32:55.982-07:002009-09-06T16:32:55.982-07:00Truth, examine the quotations which you wrote.
If...Truth, examine the quotations which you wrote.<br /><br />If these are accurate and true<br />they are not rantings against Christianity, God, Jesus, or Christians faithful to Jesus' teachings.<br /><br />These are rantings against the clergy, and the church, most likely the church of England at that time. <br /><br />In short, against men who abused their power, in some instances, as those who represented faith to wield their power.<br /><br />In fact, it is clear from reading these quotes, that Thomas Jefferson believed in Jesus, and his teachings, and believed in God. <br /><br />He bemoaned the abuse by some of the church, who did, as mere mortals, abuse their sacred trust.<br /><br />I think, if you must come here on Sunday, that if you cannot have respect for those of us who do have faith, just say "have a nice day", and that would suffice.<br /><br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com