tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post640480084176462926..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: The Kenya ConnectionZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-80436295426046901942009-01-26T08:01:00.000-08:002009-01-26T08:01:00.000-08:00TMW, that is exactly what Mr. Z's said for years.....TMW, that is exactly what Mr. Z's said for years...pulling out so abruptly, forced by the Africans themselves, was the absolute worst thing that could have happened.<BR/>It hadn't been enough time...Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-76909319910817097202009-01-26T02:50:00.000-08:002009-01-26T02:50:00.000-08:00As I see it, the European colonialists were lookin...As I see it, the European colonialists were looking at resources and borders, NOT tribes...when they were forced out by the court of public opinion, they had not had the chance to educate generations of Africans in a wider view.<BR/>So, as soon as they left, the tribes started vying for power...there is so much potential lost because of the abrupt pullouts...<BR/>G*D bless and MARANATHA!<BR/><BR/>tmw<BR/>I.H.S.-Yes, it is troubling, but how the colonial powers were forced out before dealing with the education of the people is an example of how NOT to do it.The Merry Widowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07931051881434050901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26005015193518482402009-01-25T13:26:00.000-08:002009-01-25T13:26:00.000-08:00FT, I'm sorry but could you elaborate on what you ...FT, I'm sorry but could you elaborate on what you meant by your statement, please?I.H.S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03861841487009504207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-86932338139526978652009-01-25T13:08:00.000-08:002009-01-25T13:08:00.000-08:00Africa may be "a wonderful place," but WE would be...Africa may be "a wonderful place," but WE would be SO much better off if only we had stayed away from it completely.<BR/><BR/><BR/>We are paying --- right this very minute --- fir the sins of our forefathers.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Africa is to the West what KRYPTONITE is to Superman.<BR/><BR/><BR/>~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37604602289484765902009-01-25T09:32:00.000-08:002009-01-25T09:32:00.000-08:00With an AIDS rate of appx 7% (1.2 Million cases), ...With an AIDS rate of appx 7% (1.2 Million cases), a life expectancy of 56 years an infant mortality rate of 56/1,000 and a “HIGH” degree of risk for infectious diseases, there’s little “OK” about Kenya.<BR/><BR/>Leave it to Ducky to try and put a positive spin on a failed state with a global economic report that reads in part, <I>“The regional hub for trade and finance in East Africa, Kenya has been hampered by corruption and by reliance upon several primary goods whose prices have remained low. In 1997, the IMF suspended Kenya's Enhanced Structural Adjustment Program due to the government's failure to maintain reforms and curb corruption. A severe drought from 1999 to 2000 compounded Kenya's problems, causing water and energy rationing and reducing agricultural output. As a result, GDP contracted by 0.2% in 2000. The IMF, which had resumed loans in 2000 to help Kenya through the drought, again halted lending in 2001 when the government failed to institute several anticorruption measures. Despite the return of strong rains in 2001, weak commodity prices, endemic corruption, and low investment limited Kenya's economic growth to 1.2%. Growth lagged at 1.1% in 2002 because of erratic rains, low investor confidence, meager donor support, and political infighting up to the elections.”</I><BR/><BR/>Man, no wonder the American Left has fallen so far that it's come to rally around a guy (Barack Obama) who's based his agenda on tax cuts, lauded the market-based economy as the "BEST possible economic syestem" and continuing the NSA Surveillance program and ratcheting UP the military.<BR/><BR/>Looks like the opposite of what Nixon said (<I>"We're ALL Keynesians now"</I>) can really be rephrased as <I><B>"We're ALL Capitalists now."</B></I><BR/><BR/>I guess that's progess for you.JMKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14281344324964417974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-10140226022896856282009-01-25T08:13:00.000-08:002009-01-25T08:13:00.000-08:00mr.z i think i will be repeating this alot over th...mr.z i think i will be repeating this alot over the next four years, but for a man who is of a race who has suffered many years of suppression, to allow further such suppressions is saddening!.. well done!Pat Jenkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18142174423986806144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-50871058637737240292009-01-24T18:03:00.000-08:002009-01-24T18:03:00.000-08:00Hi, EX Preacher..I'm afraid Mr. Z shares YOUR view...Hi, EX Preacher..<BR/><BR/>I'm afraid Mr. Z shares YOUR view of the UN, and so do I, but a FUNCTIONING, FAIR UN should do something there.....of course, that's not the case!<BR/><BR/>Most people don't understand Mandele...they think he is a total hero with no negatives, too. <BR/>We buy into the media spin and then we're lost. And you're a terrible person if you dare suggest he's not the answer for Africa.<BR/>The facts are that S. Africa is a mess now.....TOTAL mess. It used to be a mess only in the Black areas.......now everywhere is dangerous and terrible. And we don't hear that in the news. I find that so wrong.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71020127983561972612009-01-24T17:57:00.000-08:002009-01-24T17:57:00.000-08:00Mr. Z,Well said... but anyone who thinks BHO and t...Mr. Z,<BR/><BR/>Well said... but anyone who thinks BHO and the UN are reliable allies for America or Kenya are naive.<BR/><BR/>Mr. BHO and his affinity for Odinga, Socialism and taking out of one man's pockets to give to another is the savior of neither Kenya nor America.<BR/><BR/>Most Americans have no idea of the principles of free enterprise.. so how can we expect our leftist President and government to spread freedom anywhere?<BR/><BR/>A couple of my wonderful friends were run out of South Africa when the savior of Africa, radical Socialist Mandela, was imposed upon the country.<BR/><BR/>Continue to pray for America and Kenya.<BR/><BR/>In Christ eternally,<BR/><BR/>ExP(Jack)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-46477415561297027652009-01-24T14:00:00.000-08:002009-01-24T14:00:00.000-08:00As Z said, we wrote this article because of concer...As Z said, we wrote this article because of concern about what happens in this wonderful part of the world. It is truly painful to see what has happened to many of these countries over the last 50 years or so, and the rapidity of the downfall is breathtaking in some instances, the latest and fastest down spiral being Kenya.<BR/><BR/>One would have wished that we had never set foot into Africa and leave it untouched. It's too late for that - then the question becomes: What now? If we just withdrew, the vacuum would be filled by the Chinese and the Russians. That cannot be the right answer. Just sending food and money is not the right answer, either (see the links at the end of the article).<BR/><BR/>The UN, I am afraid, is not the right answer either. As long as everybody pursues its own National interests as is the case today in the UN, nothing effective comes out of that body. So it has to be through individual partnerships between countries, however, the definition of that "is above my paygrade"....<BR/><BR/>One of the points of the article was to point out that the activities of Mr. Obama in Kenya turned out to be doing a disservice to that country - the last thing Africa needs are communist ideas, the result of which can be well observed in other countries in that region.<BR/><BR/>Mr.ZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-71268373408181152942009-01-24T12:46:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:46:00.000-08:00SHoprat, I hope not.This piece is to explain the c...SHoprat, I hope not.<BR/><BR/>This piece is to explain the complexities and horrors of Kenya and the rest of Sub Saharan Africa.<BR/><BR/>This is not a post meant to slam Africans. I DO care what happens to ALL PEOPLE around the world.<BR/>I just feel that hand UPS are more beneficial in the long run than Hand OUTS and I'd be encouraging (as is Mr Z) our country to help in that way. This isn't a country, Kenya that is, which doesn't know some freedom and remember it from not too far long ago....it could work there again.<BR/><BR/>We've done REALLY decent and obvious and LIFE SAVING work in Africa with HIV/AIDS and while Africa is a very difficult situation (any dictatorship is a difficult situation!), I'm hoping Obama appoints a committee OR (better yet) urges the UN to get involved. The UN ought to do SOMETHING good, huh!??!!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37576598669804619582009-01-24T12:42:00.001-08:002009-01-24T12:42:00.001-08:00Did you know that ODINGA is half-Irish?His mother ...Did you know that ODINGA is half-Irish?<BR/><BR/>His mother was a member of the O'Dingleberry Clan back on the Auld Sod.<BR/><BR/>};-)><BR/><BR/>~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26386188011350818392009-01-24T12:42:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:42:00.000-08:00Perhaps what Obama is doing over there tells us wh...Perhaps what Obama is doing over there tells us where his heart truly lies.shoprathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05265612188236394307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35804177538650819002009-01-24T12:38:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:38:00.000-08:00My view on Sub-Saharan Africa in a nutshell:Either...My view on Sub-Saharan Africa in a nutshell:<BR/><BR/><BR/>Either we should <BR/>BOSS 'EM<BR/>Or we should <BR/>TOSS 'EM.<BR/><BR/>Who NEEDS 'em?<BR/><BR/>Callously yours,<BR/><BR/>~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-36375041920992477522009-01-24T10:38:00.000-08:002009-01-24T10:38:00.000-08:00Well, Average.He sure does have family there, but ...Well, Average.<BR/>He sure does have family there, but many of us have family somewhere else in the world, right?<BR/><BR/>I'm hoping Obama does something about the Kenyan problems...somehow.<BR/>I just wish it would be encouraging young Kenyans to get educated (many ARE!) and going back and kicking the bad guys out! Hand UPS, not hand OUTS.<BR/><BR/>Funny, as angry as I am with his having supported the communist in Kenya who's killed CHristians and done so much wrong for the people, I don't want a scandal here for OUR country with our president over this.<BR/><BR/>Except, I do want people to know the truth. And I believe this is the truth; that he did support some pretty terrible guys who are doing awful things to people who were living successful, happy lives before. I'm hearing Kenyan tourist safaris are far less these days..that brought money into the country, and now that's even gone. And people haven't the opportunity to see those beautiful lands because of the cruelty of the new leaders. <BR/><BR/>The Obama connection seems secondary (for Kenyans) to the strife and nastisness that's happening there. Our main thrust in Mr. Z's writing this (as the problems in Africa have always bothered him so much), is for people to be aware of what's happening there these days.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-90660206141498554392009-01-24T10:30:00.000-08:002009-01-24T10:30:00.000-08:00Sinjce=Since.The extra nice things about my last c...Sinjce=Since.<BR/><BR/>The extra nice things about my last comment are that NObama would be able to spend more time with his black granny and maybe even watch out for his brother George. Oh, ya, and he can rescue his Auntie from Boston and bring her home where she belongs. Yup, they could be one big happy family again! Jezzz, I'm starting to sound like a liberal, all mushy gushy feelings and everything. Sorry, I just like family reunions.Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211406136371011324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-6378240025537139682009-01-24T10:23:00.000-08:002009-01-24T10:23:00.000-08:00There IS a perfect solution! We can even kill 2 b...There IS a perfect solution! We can even kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Sinjce we all know or at least suspect that NObama might be Kenyan, why don't we invade Kenya and capture and jail Odinga and Kibaki. Then we can install NObama as THEIR dictator and have new elections here. Everybody is a winner!Average Americanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211406136371011324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-12375389037599933202009-01-24T09:01:00.000-08:002009-01-24T09:01:00.000-08:00Ducky, I keep telling you to READ THE LINKS>May...Ducky, I keep telling you to READ THE LINKS><BR/>Maybe you'll believe your side..the WASHINGTON POST?<BR/>Honestly, what kind of information are you getting?<BR/>Do you see who's in control there?<BR/>Do you think Zimbabwe's going well, too?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-51795259700134348942009-01-24T08:26:00.000-08:002009-01-24T08:26:00.000-08:00Jungle Mom wrote:"Ducky, Just go live there ok? If...Jungle Mom wrote:<BR/>"Ducky, <BR/>Just go live there ok? If it's so great, or even Venezuela, just go see for yourself, we will await your report."<BR/><BR/>January 24, 2009 <BR/><BR/>LOL!<BR/><BR/>MorganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-82556423665335737182009-01-24T07:01:00.000-08:002009-01-24T07:01:00.000-08:00Z, If I recall correctly, Odinga and Obama are act...Z, <BR/>If I recall correctly, Odinga and Obama are actually cousins. There is a lot of footage of the campaigning Obama did for him.<BR/> <BR/>Ducky, <BR/>Just go live there ok? If it's so great, or even Venezuela, just go see for yourself, we will await your report.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-63850446176271950082009-01-24T06:53:00.000-08:002009-01-24T06:53:00.000-08:00Sorry z, anything marked "The True Story" likely i...Sorry z, anything marked "The True Story" likely isn't. As they say, "the truth will be known when the last witness is dead".<BR/><BR/> Kenya's still doing pretty well. Growing middle class.Ducky's herehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14608115001116619877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-49334535588556413412009-01-24T04:06:00.000-08:002009-01-24T04:06:00.000-08:00VERY well said Mr. Z! I think all of us have notic...VERY well said Mr. Z! I think all of us have noticed the wretched state of sub-Saharan Africa and their seeming inability to come to grips with modernity. <BR/><BR/>A customer of mine--and a good friend--is a heart surgeon who does work in Rwanda and the surrounding countries as part of "Doctors Without Borders." Years ago she'd go off for weeks intending to save the world. Now when she comes back it looks as though Africa is beating her down something awful. She finally admitted to me that Islam, ignorance, communism, and tribalism/savagery may just be too much for her. She says that she is FILLED with joy at the lives she saves and improves while she's there, but is horrified at the barbarism.<BR/><BR/>Your "enlightened imperialism" may yet be the only long-term answer.<BR/><BR/>MorganAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-9102011358555688522009-01-23T22:38:00.000-08:002009-01-23T22:38:00.000-08:00I knew about BHO's involvement with Odinga and thu...I knew about BHO's involvement with Odinga and thus-communism...the overview on Kenya herself was an eye-opener -history always makes events clear...even to the extent of actually observing what totalitarianism can wield in such a short time -as displayed in Kenya..<BR/><BR/>Some of us knew that BHO's leanings to socialist communism were going to injure this Republic..the United States ..My prayer is that we were wrong...<BR/>C-CSchristian soldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04781627688988991192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-54617426635547075912009-01-23T19:26:00.000-08:002009-01-23T19:26:00.000-08:00Thanks Mr.Z , for printing this. This article is a...Thanks Mr.Z , for printing this. This article is a very coherent chronolgy of events and matter here .<BR/>Sen. Obama is up to his neck in blood.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>WVDOTTRAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26499939586338944472009-01-23T18:13:00.000-08:002009-01-23T18:13:00.000-08:00My ship, USS Forrestal, was supposed to visit Momb...My ship, USS Forrestal, was supposed to visit Mombasa Kenya, but back at the time, fuel restrictions prevented us from going down that way. We would've went through the ceremony where we cross the equator, so that makes me a wog and not a shellback.Steve Harkonnenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09497761866380334481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-49771179021776791592009-01-23T17:56:00.000-08:002009-01-23T17:56:00.000-08:00ALERT!!:PLEASE read the link "irrefutable.." in th...ALERT!!:<BR/>PLEASE read the link "irrefutable.." in the first paragraph!<BR/>I JUST ADDED IT because I had the wrong link and THIS is an important article to read and to check out the links for more. There is input from British papers, the Chicago Sun, Washington Post, etc...Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.com