tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post692867880085973276..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: A FIRST HAND ACCOUNT of MUMBAI'S TERROR.......RIVETINGZhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-46294929534087909382008-12-10T12:02:00.000-08:002008-12-10T12:02:00.000-08:00Ducky, not to get too personal, but I thought you ...Ducky, not to get too personal, but I thought you were a Christian?<BR/><BR/>You're Catholic, right?<BR/><BR/>Do you believe in Christ as your savior? (I'm not witnessing to you, I'm just asking...)<BR/><BR/>Then...why throw stones at ElBro and Jungle Mom?<BR/><BR/>....just wondering why there always has to be such division.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-58084300208188156022008-12-10T12:00:00.000-08:002008-12-10T12:00:00.000-08:00Oh my. Can you imagine the sheer terror? Realizing...Oh my. Can you imagine the sheer terror? Realizing that the threat you've tried to block out of your mind is actually HAPPENING?<BR/><BR/>Thaks for posting this, Z.<BR/><BR/>I have always admired (not a strong enough word) Israelis who continue on in the face of daily threats. They raise their children there...just amazing. It's a choice to stay and fight (through daily living) or to flee. I honestly don't know what I'd do. <BR/><BR/>I suppose we're already in phase one of that situation here in the U.S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-59573595226183055842008-12-10T11:20:00.000-08:002008-12-10T11:20:00.000-08:00If making money is so important that people's live...<EM>If making money is so important that people's lives should be put at unnecessary risk for it, then I believe a reassessment of basic values and priorities is in order.</EM><BR/><BR/>I realize you're not making a personal attack...I'm not either.<BR/>I just respectfully disagree.<BR/><BR/>This is everyday type business FT. It's not extraordinary for companies in this day and age to conduct business globally. Whether you're a Westerner of a Pakastani. I don't think shutting down one of the main business districts in a country is in order. Changing our lives out of fear is what the terrorists want. To give in to them is to feed their desire to sow discontent.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-18228117551436431922008-12-10T11:05:00.000-08:002008-12-10T11:05:00.000-08:00People who travel to "trouble spots" are asking fo...People who travel to "trouble spots" are asking for TROUBLE, I don't care whether it's for business or --- as in the case of those who went to these (extremely luxurious, high-priced) hotels --- "pleasure." I don't know how I could say it more plainly.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If you really don't MIND the prospect of very possibly having your throat slit or your head blown off, by all means travel to the Middle East and to India and Pakistan. If making money is so important that people's lives should be put at unnecessary risk for it, then I believe a reassessment of basic values and priorities is in order.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I am not targeting anyone's remarks in particular, I am just trying to state what-I-believe-to-be common sense principles.<BR/><BR/>If terrorists come HERE, then we must deal with them RUTHLESSLY head on. <BR/><BR/>In my opinion we should have started giving all Muslims who were not citizens a one way ticket to "Islamania" on September 12, 2001. In addition we SHOULD have forcibly closed all Muslim Schools in the USA and put all mosques under strict surveillance.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Instead, Bush mouthed the words "Islam is a religion of peace," and then made the great and costly mistake of invading Iraq. Yes. It WAS a mistake.<BR/><BR/>Always best to clean up one's OWN back yard before taking action against one's neighbors.<BR/><BR/>~ FreeeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27036713482667423262008-12-10T08:28:00.000-08:002008-12-10T08:28:00.000-08:00Good morning, David...yes, we heard...isn't that w...Good morning, David...yes, we heard...isn't that wonderful!!? Blessings!!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2705436316082000382008-12-10T07:44:00.000-08:002008-12-10T07:44:00.000-08:00Good morning Z! Jungle Mom, I suppose you heard th...Good morning Z! <BR/><BR/>Jungle Mom, I suppose you heard that the Judd girl has been found & seems to be OK! Praise God! We'll keep praying.David Wyatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03912850723087704550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-66506700963788384862008-12-09T22:12:00.000-08:002008-12-09T22:12:00.000-08:00Don't try to box outside your wait, Elmo.hey duhkk...<EM>Don't try to box outside your wait, Elmo.</EM><BR/><BR/>hey duhkkky I was the one smart enough to point out to you that the news articles in India had found out that those terrorists were radical Muslims with ties to Al Queda and that they were isolating Westerners and that the stated goals of the terrorist group were to establish a caliphate and that I could explain the difference between Pan Arabism and Pan Islamism....<BR/><BR/>and we were still waiting for you to sit down and have a schwarma with the terrorists and find out what their stated goals are.<BR/><BR/>try not to box outside your <B>weight</B> class there duhkkky<BR/><BR/><B>wait</B> you have no classelmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-29158211143081394142008-12-09T21:15:00.000-08:002008-12-09T21:15:00.000-08:00I feel the same Z. I've held an Iraqi child in my ...I feel the same Z. I've held an Iraqi child in my arms while we distributed food etc....my own children were on my mind believe me, I understand.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83240126114863803182008-12-09T19:35:00.000-08:002008-12-09T19:35:00.000-08:00I saw this man interviewed on CNN not long after h...I saw this man interviewed on CNN not long after he arrived home. I heard him say most of these words and was struck by the fact that before he faced death, he was probably nowhere nearly as stringent about never forgetting that these men were the embodiment of pure evil. He seemed as though he was a more easy going kind of person. Anyway, he has a compelling story that we can all learn from about today's world.Karen Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12692791436106987353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-54405166108890029762008-12-09T19:06:00.000-08:002008-12-09T19:06:00.000-08:00CJ..good! we're learning! Very good.\Pris, STRENG...CJ..good! we're learning! Very good.<BR/>\<BR/>Pris, STRENGTH IS the only thing they respect and yet the Left is doing all they can to make us weak...WE are "always wrong" WE are the bad guys, WE 'invaded', WE are colonializing..(rubbish).. WE WE WE..WE can do NO RIGHT..and OH, are the terrorists thrilled to hear we're SO divided.<BR/><BR/>Morgan....if we don't NAME it, we'll be destined to keep PC'ing ourselves to DEATH ..LITERALLY.<BR/><BR/>Elbro and JM..you're SO right. But, when we consider it could be OUR OWN CHILDREN, it becomes less easy to 'carry on', don't you think? I like to think we WILL when soft targets DO start getting hit here, and they will........<BR/>But, I think you're right; Americans are like Israelis..they're basically TOUGH and will carry on. I AGREE after all!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53942587223963587382008-12-09T16:40:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:40:00.000-08:00Elmer Bros, I tend to agree with you. If we change...Elmer Bros, I tend to agree with you. If we change our lifestyle out of fear, the terrorist win. Caution is necessary especially with children, but changing our habits will embolden the enemy as they will see it as weakness.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-2423887859776295112008-12-09T16:31:00.001-08:002008-12-09T16:31:00.001-08:00It's one thing to be caught unawares in a web of t...<EM>It's one thing to be caught unawares in a web of tragic circumstances not of your making. It's quite another to roam about the world SEARCHING for tragic circumstances.</EM><BR/><BR/>Who's searching for trouble? This is a huge business district and there were many people there ON BUSINESS...if you think that is searching for trouble then maybe becoming a hermit is in store.<BR/><BR/>I think that some of the best advice after 9/11 was to get out there and do what we normally do. This is what they do in Israel when bus goes off in a bomb etc. They go right back to doing business, riding buses etc. Giving in is what the terrorists want.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-56108356207925831912008-12-09T16:26:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:26:00.000-08:00As far as racist remarks, I can't think of any but...<EM>As far as racist remarks, I can't think of any but I'm pretty far from politically correct.<BR/><BR/>You'd be singing a different song if it were one of your kids or Papa Franks girls who were killed for no reason in that school, but they were only ragheads, right Christian.<BR/></EM><BR/><BR/>Duhkkky you've intimated twice now that if there were no Western victims that we wouldn't care.<BR/><BR/><EM>You'd be singing a different song if it were one of your kids or Papa Franks girls who were killed for no reason in that school, but they were only ragheads, right Christian.</EM><BR/><BR/>I have never called them ragheads or otherwise Duhkkky. In fact duhkkky I've participated in humanitarian ventures to Muslims in Indonesia, Malaysia and Iraq. <BR/><BR/>My family and I financially support an organization that provides food, water, wells, builds schools etc. for<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>MUSLIMS!<BR/><BR/>Now stfu again.elmers brotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03382038085149828957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73304473421448202252008-12-09T16:13:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:13:00.000-08:00Jungle Mom,I heard about the young Judd girl, &...Jungle Mom,<BR/><BR/>I heard about the young Judd girl, & am praying. Thank you.<BR/><BR/>I certainly thank God for Jonathan's safety. I was definitely HE who kept him safe & I pray that one day he will realize it & trust Him as Savior if he has not yet. I trust he'll do as my Dad did many years ago while in the Army. He said that he was just a Christian in mae only, went to church 2 or 3 times a year, didn't know Christ as Savior. Then after he got home from the Korean war, he just began to think about his experience, & it "hit" him that a "Hand" was protecting & guiding him the whole time, & he realized then that he could easily have been killed. A wonderful Christian friend soon after led him to Christ!! How thankful I am for that just in itself, but even more, guess who led ME to Christ? You got it! My Dad. God is so good. Oh, to be as Paul: To me to live is Christ, & to die is Gain!! (Phil.1:21)Who can hurt a man (or lady!) like that?? (Also Mt.10:28)<BR/>One final thang: As exciting & amazing as Jonathan's account is, & I take nothing from it, I still must say that the most exciting account I know of is in Acts 27! Thank you Z for this opportunity to express my thoughts. God Bless.David Wyatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03912850723087704550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-26149038106040236522008-12-09T16:11:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:11:00.000-08:00This man's account of the events in Mumbai, is riv...This man's account of the events in Mumbai, is riveting. <BR/><BR/>These jihad terror cells exist all over the world, including here. This horror could happen in any hotel, in any number of countries any time the terrorists choose.<BR/><BR/>Ducky, let me remind you once again. Worlwide jihad was called for by Osama Bin Laden, in 1998. What is it about that you don't understand? <BR/><BR/>Their goal is world domination for Islam. Shoprat is right. We have to stay on the offensive. We have to fight them. If you apply moral equivalence to such a dire situation, it paralyzes you. Makes you complacent, and impotent. <BR/><BR/>Appeasement get's you a sharia court with sharia law in Britain. That's what it get's you, and if you think it will end with that, you're a dreamer.<BR/><BR/>If you're not willing to fight or support those who do, the least you can do is avoid emboldening the enemy, and falling for every bit of propaganda they put out there. <BR/><BR/>They're very good at it btw, they have the American and international left all figured out. You're really very predictable you know. Strength is the only thing they respect.<BR/><BR/>PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-83335385225721727932008-12-09T16:10:00.000-08:002008-12-09T16:10:00.000-08:00Whew! How easy it is to be misunderstood. Thanks...Whew! How easy it is to be misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification. Of course I merely meant that exerting myself to TRY to save myself shouldn't be my top priority, and whether I did that or not I know that if I live or die it's up to God.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12607815145291672164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19161899814066827302008-12-09T15:55:00.000-08:002008-12-09T15:55:00.000-08:00Sorry...you said "Saving my life shouldn't be top ...Sorry...you said "Saving my life shouldn't be top priority" and I took that to mean we have a choice in whether we live or not. <BR/><BR/>Sometimes, semantics make these conversations impossible in writing at a blog! But, all good thoughts there, and what really only matters is what you say....dying to self, letting His Spirit live and come through us to others.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-28935430218262752982008-12-09T15:49:00.000-08:002008-12-09T15:49:00.000-08:00As Z said, FT, nothing I said implied SEEKING mart...As Z said, FT, nothing I said implied SEEKING martyrdom. The circumstances in Bombay (I prefer that spelling too) were thrust upon the visitors there, and I'm talking about how a Christian should ideally respond under such circumstances. <BR/><BR/>Again, ideally. What Jesus preaches in the Sermon on the Mount is far from natural to any of us. <BR/><BR/>All I did was refer to what Jesus actually said. We are to lose our lives for His sake. Doesn't He say that, FT? <BR/><BR/>Again, we can't do this in our "flesh," it's something we can only do in the Spirit -- by God's own power. <BR/><BR/>God takes care of us in all our weaknesses and of course He saved this man from death in Bombay, but I believe we Christians tend to think from our own natural patterns more often than we think from "the mind of Christ" whose whole life was a sacrifice for us.<BR/><BR/>Of course it's "up to Him," Z, I'm not sure why you are making a point of that as if I'd seemed to have denied it? <BR/><BR/>My point is that WE need to be "walking in the Spirit" and most of us aren't, and in doing that THEN we are doing what HE wants, not what WE want. He guides our lives anyway of course, whether we are in His will or not, but NOTHING is to be "up to us" really if we are walking in the Spirit. It's then all prompted by Him, and what He prompts often seems counterintuitive to us and sometimes contrary to our natural survival impulses. <BR/><BR/>(If we walk in the Spirit we can do anything Shadrak, Meshak and Abednego did, FT, and it's a shame more Christians are not seeking this level of faith). <BR/><BR/>Only when we are truly walking intentionally in the Spirit will we know what He wants of us and have His power to do it. <BR/><BR/>Again, that doesn't mean that someone with less faith won't be protected by Him.CJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12607815145291672164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-6835894890628017102008-12-09T15:25:00.000-08:002008-12-09T15:25:00.000-08:00CJ...I was thinking that it's GOD who keeps us ali...CJ...I was thinking that it's GOD who keeps us alive or sees us in heaven. HIS will.<BR/>If HE is sovereign, then we're alive because of Him.<BR/>If we're in a situation like that, perhaps it's up to us to keep alive to help others: Perhaps that helping would witness to someone, so our having survived and helping someone is part of the plan...right?<BR/><BR/>I think you make excellent points, too......I just think it's up to HIM. As a Christian retired nurse recently said to me "We've had two people with the exact symptoms, treated them the same, one lives, the other dies.." Kind of makes sense to me. It's very comforting, as well, no?<BR/><BR/>FT...did I miss something or DID CJ actually say she's "seek martyrdom"? I don't think so...just not fight it, I think, was her point.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-51560886563091637852008-12-09T14:22:00.000-08:002008-12-09T14:22:00.000-08:00FT, I wasn't meaning to attack your comment, just ...FT, I wasn't meaning to attack your comment, just the irony of the reality of this day and age. <BR/>I just left Venezuela after 20 years to protect my children.<BR/>Sometimes we do put ourselves knowingly in danger for a higher cause. Security anywhere is only an illusion.Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-8807754047237333802008-12-09T14:04:00.000-08:002008-12-09T14:04:00.000-08:00PS: To put it in a lighter vein:"He who turns and ...PS: To put it in a lighter vein:<BR/><BR/>"He who turns and runs away<BR/>Lives to fight another day."<BR/><BR/>Cheers!<BR/><BR/>~ FTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-61467609237566205232008-12-09T13:58:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:58:00.000-08:00If you deliberately walk into a fiery furnace, you...If you deliberately walk into a fiery furnace, you WILL get incinerated --- unless of course, your name happens to be either Shadrack, Meshack or Abednego. ;-)<BR/><BR/>It's one thing to be caught unawares in a web of tragic circumstances not of your making. It's quite another to roam about the world SEARCHING for tragic circumstances.<BR/><BR/>The latter is called "tempting Fate," and I don't believe any spiritual authority recommends it. "Do not tempt the Lord, thy God."<BR/><BR/>In my view when it becomes obvious that you are decidedly UNWELCOME in someone ELSE'S vicinity, it would make a lot of sense to GET OUT and STAY AWAY.<BR/><BR/>If Indians or Pakistanis --- or any OTHER foreign power --- makes it plain they do not WANT to contend with Westerners, we truly have no right to barge into THEIR territory --- even as "tourists."<BR/><BR/><B><A>I repeat: If you don't want to be be stung, STAY AWAY from bee hives and hornet's nests.</A></B> <BR/><BR/>Now if you would insist that you have a "duty" to make every effort to CHANGE the NATURE of Bees, Wasps and Hornets by going into their midst and showing them what a good, harmless, possibly helpful fellow you are, then GOOD LUCK! I'm sure you'll need it.<BR/><BR/>Call me a live coward, if you must, but there's PLENTY of important work that needs to be done right in our own back yards --- and plenty of healthy diversion and entertainment close to home as well.<BR/><BR/>If you feel the urge to travel in order to "find yourself" --- or, perhaps, ESCAPE from yourself --- please remember, as Dr. Seuss wisely said, "No matter where you go --- THERE YOU ARE!"<BR/><BR/>And as Dorothy said after her wild and colorful adventures in Oz, "THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME."<BR/><BR/>CJ, if martyrdom is THRUST upon you, I think it IS incumbent on Christians to ACCEPT it, as Jesus did, and pray for the souls of your tormentors and murderers, but at the same time I feel very strongly that actively SEEKING martyrdom is perverse and ungodly. I do believe that life is meant to be LIVED and ENJOYED --- as long as God will allow. It is after all His Gift to us.<BR/><BR/><B><A>MERRY CHRISTMAS!</A></B><BR/><BR/><BR/>~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-49608353823316037482008-12-09T13:27:00.000-08:002008-12-09T13:27:00.000-08:00Good post. I think the personal stories really ill...Good post. I think the personal stories really illustrate the barbarity we are dealing with.kevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06658957686218001026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-44788045833848103562008-12-09T12:45:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:45:00.000-08:00No where is really safe. We are supposed to allow ...No where is really safe. We are supposed to allow any and everyone into our country, and when we visit another country it is our won fault that they kill us?<BR/> OT, but in a safe country like New Zealand, a 13 year old daughter of fellow missionaries(personal friends) was just kidnapped. Please join me in prayer for Dana Judd!Rita Locahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09961929692808138092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-70179092466060271162008-12-09T12:12:00.000-08:002008-12-09T12:12:00.000-08:00That is one lucky, LUCKY guy!Absolutely astounding...That is one lucky, LUCKY guy!<BR/><BR/>Absolutely astounding.<BR/><BR/>And Blackwater? INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.<BR/><BR/>BZBloviating Zeppelinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01359816456769157176noreply@blogger.com