tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post8783946768766497451..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: Could Obama help stop VIOLENCE?Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-72652438469625252162011-08-20T03:31:18.790-07:002011-08-20T03:31:18.790-07:00"And, I'm saying the HUGE Preponderance o..."And, I'm saying the HUGE Preponderance of Republicans are NOT racist"<br /><br />I could have sworn I said the same thing.<br /><br />"and not feel guilt by association.........that's my point.<br />I REFUSE. What do I have to do, net, start a whole freakin' other political party because some people think there are a few NUTS in the GOP?"<br /><br />Z, let me be very clear. I don't think anybody has to do anything. I'm just telling you one of the main items that bother me about the conservative movement as a whole. I'm telling you how white conservatives are often perceived by very fair-minded non-conservatives of every persuasion.<br /><br />I even gave you an example of a hardcore Tea Partier who apparently understands fully where I am coming from.<br /><br />But if you think my take on all this is more or less overkill or nonsense or whatever, then so be it. For me, frankly, it only means what I and others declared long ago: the GOP (and/or the conservative movement) left me; I didn't leave it. And I'm totally okay with that.<br /><br />"net, do YOU see something of value in Farrakhan? Please tell me what. I'm stunned by what you said there"<br /><br />Well, Z, it's important to point out that I never said that *I* saw anything of value in Louis Farrakhan. Personally, I don't. Probably why I never said anything of the sort.<br /><br />I was talking about African-Americans as a group, Z. More importantly, I was attempting to make the point that I, no matter how much I might try, would probably never ever succeed in explaining to you WHY so many African-Americans SAW value in Farrakhan back in the 90s.<br /><br />I was only attempting to draw a parallel in your favor, Z. i.e., much like you will probably never understand why hundreds of thousands of black men descended on Washington for an event sponsored by Louis Farrakhan; similarly, I will probably never understand why so many decent white conservatives AREN'T troubled by what I view as very real similarities and overlaps with white nationalism.<br /><br />And I say that understanding fully that you do not accept my premise, Z. I am even willing to say that you are probably right. BUT, it doesn't make me feel better about what I am observing. Simply put, I don't get it. I'm not comfortable with it and I don't feel obligated to feel comfortable with it, just like I 'm sure you don't feel any obligation to understand Farrakhan's appeal to blacks.<br /><br />"I'm getting here that you think I"m wrong for being a Conservative because there might be some NUTS in the 'Conservative movement' and that I need to understand an anti-Semite/White-hating man like Farrakhan's attraction for Blacks (a majority of Blacks, REALLY?)"<br /><br />This is what I meant when I said I must be a terrible writer. Z, how did you get that out of what I wrote? I really know that, too. <br /><br />Z, I don't mean to be redundant, but let me state once again: I don't think anybody has to do or think anything, especially if they don't believe in it.<br /><br />I am certainly not asking you to "understand" Louis Farrakhan (someone I do not respect), nor am I asking you to adopt or even understand my analyses of the conservative movement. Again, I'm just telling you what bothers me and why. And yes, I still feel that conservatives could stand to look in the mirror a little more.<br /><br />But it's their movement, their choice =)net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-78405362889754177292011-08-20T03:31:07.792-07:002011-08-20T03:31:07.792-07:00Z, I must be one pathetic writer, or maybe I'm...Z, I must be one pathetic writer, or maybe I'm losing my mind, or, I don't know what. But I swear, sometimes, I just don't understand how you get what you get out of the things I say.<br /><br />"Net, you show your bias when you suggest people like Bret Baier and Neal Cavuto and Martha McCallum, etc etc., aren't giving the news. They DO the news all day long."<br /><br />First of all, I would love it if you could share with me what you think my bias is. I really wanna know.<br /><br />Nonetheless, Z, when did ever I say either of those three WEREN'T giving the news? If I recall correctly, the only one I mentioned at all was Brett when I was more or less defending him; when I said that he was a moderator and not a pundit and shouldn't be judged like a pundit.<br /><br />Throughout this discussion, I was in fact trying to avoid mentioning straight-news reporters on any of the networks so we wouldn't confuse the issue. I prefer to address the issue of media bias on the cable news networks by focusing on the punditry class. i.e., Hannity, Maddow, O'Donnell, O'Reilly, Matthews, Huckabee, Maher, etc...these are all TV pundits with clear political agendum. <br /><br />I think it's confusing to compare those guys with people like Baier, Shep, Lemon, Blitzer, etc., because, like I previously said, it's like comparing apples to oranges. These reporters may give their opinions at times, but they ain't like Hannity or Maddow or Fox & Friends or O'Donnell, where the entire point is to boldly offer your biased political opinion, 24/7.<br /><br />And even when you throw in someone like Piers Morgan, it's a little odd. He may be a liberal, but his show, from what I have seen, is far more of an entertainment-based show, with straight-up Hollywood guests. That's not comparable to those straight-up political agenda driven shows.<br /><br />"you think they don't have bias?"<br /><br />Z, I admitted several posts ago that there was an overall liberal bias in the media. Did you miss that?<br /><br />The whole point of my rant here was based on my fatigue with conservatives who continuously complain about media bias.<br /><br />And my rationale is simple, Z. To me, their complaints sound like endless whining. They sound like they forgot they dominate talk radio. They sound like they forgot FoxNews is the most popular news network. They sound like they forgot that even the liberal-leaning networks eventually brought on conservative voices to help their credibility.<br /><br />I don't know why, after all that progress, conservatives still complain like they're these embattled underdogs. They're VERY MUCH in the media now. Maybe there's a good explanation, but I don't get it.<br /><br />"Do you seriously think I don't get why blacks don't still bear grudges toward whites? Of COURSE I do."<br /><br />I never said that, Z. I said you may not understand CERTAIN things about black resentment.<br /><br />"But, I personally think it's become worse because of black "leaders" like Sharpton and J Jackson and Rangel, net"<br /><br />Well, like I said previously, I agree with there.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-87472766591988396922011-08-20T00:14:10.640-07:002011-08-20T00:14:10.640-07:00Net, you show your bias when you suggest people li...Net, you show your bias when you suggest people like Bret Baier and Neal Cavuto and Martha McCallum, etc etc., aren't giving the news. They DO the news all day long.<br />And yes, they have pundits, too, like CNN had Spitzer or has Piers Morgan or has Anderson COoper; you think they don't have bias?<br /><br />Do you seriously think I don't get why blacks don't still bear grudges toward whites? Of COURSE I do. But, I personally think it's become worse because of black "leaders" like Sharpton and J Jackson and Rangel, net. <br />And, I'm saying the HUGE Preponderance of Republicans are NOT racist, so why should we be defensive? We should stomp whatever racism there is (and, as I keep saying, I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT and I WOULD notice it, trust me) and not feel guilt by association.........that's my point.<br />I REFUSE. What do I have to do, net, start a whole freakin' other political party because some people think there are a few NUTS in the GOP?<br /><br />net, do YOU see something of value in Farrakhan? Please tell me what.<br />I'm stunned by what you said there.<br /><br />I don't know what American3pm is, but it sounds radical to me; I don't have an affinity to idiocy; I have a great infinity to CONSERVATISM and now, from what you say, I'm actually getting that you blame me for that.<br /><br />Are you KIDDING me? <br /><br /><br />You said "You just think go through life thinking, "Well, they just don't understand that part of us."<br /><br />So do Whites, about Blacks, net...especially now after reading what you're saying.<br /><br />I'm getting here that you think I"m wrong for being a Conservative because there might be some NUTS in the 'Conservative movement' and that I need to understand an anti-Semite/White-hating man like Farrakhan's attraction for Blacks (a majority of Blacks, REALLY?)<br /><br /><br />And I have NEVER EVER EVER seen two sides of ANY subject in the news so much as I do daily on FOX.....<br />Heck, the L.A. Times even stopped it's "Left/Right" opinions page years ago for only Leftwing editorials and they lost nearly half their subscriptions...should all liberals feel guilty about the fact that there's so little thinking in the L.A> Times or NY Times?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30070256586503124832011-08-19T22:47:06.405-07:002011-08-19T22:47:06.405-07:00The ONLY way I can begin to comprehend where you&#...The ONLY way I can begin to comprehend where you're coming from is via my experience as an African-American.<br /><br />For example, I am fully aware that black people display a lot of resentment against white people, and back when "we" were truly oppressed, that resentment was easy for any clear-thinking person to understand. But as we all moved away from the days of REAL oppression, those expressions of resentment began to appear <br />increasingly misplaced, unfair...some would even say crazy.<br /><br />But if you're black, that resentment doesn't look all that crazy. You just think go through life thinking, "Well, they just don't understand that part of us."<br /><br />Meaning, "we" can differentiate between REAL black bigotry, on one hand, and harmless blacks expressing their feelings and frustrations on the other.<br /><br />I am starting to believe this is similar to what you maintain about those white conservatives who express very incendiary -- dare I say, "racist" -- language about blacks.<br /><br />Earlier in this thread, you said to me, "Net, the language here can get pretty ugly, but believe me, these people would LOVE to see all those pathologies in the blacks community disappear overnight." (paraphrased)<br /><br />And I believe you. I really do. But when I see sites like american3p.com, and I observe their apparent affinity to the mainstream conservative movement; and then I observe what I perceive as a lack of sufficient outrage from mainstream white conservatives when they see people like that showing an affinity to their movement, I cannot shake my feelings of discomfort.<br /><br />Z, have you ever asked yourself, "What in the <br />heck did black people ever see in that anti-American, anti-white, anti-Semitic nutcase, Louis Farrakhan??"<br /><br />And I could probably never explain that to you in a way that left you fully satisfied. But I wouldn't have to explain it to black people at all.<br /><br />So again, maybe, just maybe, this is the same kind of thing in reverse. Regardless of how much I hold you and others like you in high regard, you could probably never explain away what I view as "too many similarities" (for lack of a better term) between mainstream white<br />conservatives and white racialists.<br /><br />Who do you blame? How do we fix it? I don't know =)net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-1596582489311031972011-08-19T22:43:00.437-07:002011-08-19T22:43:00.437-07:00PART 1
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MEDIA:
The reason I didn't go int...PART 1<br /><br />Z,<br /><br />MEDIA:<br /><br />The reason I didn't go into Wolf Blitzer or Don Lemon is because I maintain that reporters are in a different position than straight-up pundits. Your comparison feels like "apples and oranges" to me.<br /><br />"Apples and apples" is Hannity and Maddow. Or maybe even MSNBC and FoxNews.<br /><br />Plus, the criteria you use to distinguish a conservative from a liberal is so markedly different than mine, it even further complicates the discussion.<br /><br />But putting media aside for now =)<br /><br />RACE:<br /><br />Z, I am thrilled that we kept speaking on this subject because, thanks to you, we just touched on the heart of the matter:<br /><br />"Why should I reflect and consider when I've never seen it anywhere in any Republican blog or group I've personally attended?...You know me, you don't think I'd fight that to the death if I DID see it? REALLY?"<br /><br />EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! LOL<br /><br />Z, this is why this debate is so frustrating to me. Bottom line, I cannot fathom how someone of your intelligence and integrity can be so dismissive of the criticisms I am putting forth.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-45580311773994032732011-08-19T13:10:48.317-07:002011-08-19T13:10:48.317-07:00Can you tell me how I'm being hypersensitive j...Can you tell me how I'm being hypersensitive just because I disagree based on my own readings and personal experiences?<br /><br />And I'd love to know...why should I reflect and consider when I've never seen it anywhere in any Republican blog or group I've personally attended? <br /><br />You know me, you don't think I'd fight that to the death if I DID see it? REALLY?<br /><br />By the way, those Blacks in private who slam Whites...they're NOT RACIST DEMOCRATS? REALLY? How's that?<br /><br />Thomas Sowell and Walt WIlliams are heroes of mine. they're Conservatives.<br /><br />"Overlapping" is a huge and incorrect way of expressing what some guy you hear suggests is racism in the Republican party..trust me. <br />It's dangerous to even discuss that and probably a ploy to discredit Republicans......<br />The GOP, who Michael Steele represented, by the way, at least doesn't play into the 'soft bigotry of low expectations'....and they know that not playing ball with Black entitlement seekers is NOT going to get us elected. We have a dilemma here........<br /><br /><br />No, Shep SMith is not a Conservative...actually, you'd have a hard time telling what the politics of the news people are. O'Reilly and Hannity are opinion Hannity is staunch COnservative and O'Reilly tries to look Centrist.<br />I'm pleased that the stats show so many Democrats and INdies watch FOX........and that their viewership is growing...<br />At least SOME people are getting both sides of some of the issues.<br /><br />You've never mentioned my points about WOlf Blitzer or Don Lemon on CNN...not once. Please don't batter me about people I know a lot more about than you do, net. <br />I watch ALL the shows and laugh my head off when I hear the Dems insult Fox for bias :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-84660731723487064542011-08-19T13:02:20.609-07:002011-08-19T13:02:20.609-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-13082758983908593092011-08-19T11:23:53.349-07:002011-08-19T11:23:53.349-07:00"Wait a minute, net...so you're saying th..."Wait a minute, net...so you're saying that the TP folks who'd vote for West or Cain only want to vote for them to show they're open minded"<br /><br />Z, you totally lost me here. When I used the analogy of uptownsteve/Moore and Farrakhan/Mendelssohn, I was trying to say that just because someone votes for someone of another race/ethnicity doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't prejudiced; just like Farrakhan playing Mendelssohn doesn't mean he's not anti-Jewish, etc.<br /><br />I was ultimately trying to point out the complexity in these discussions. That has to be recognized as a given. If not, any attempts to communicate are futile.<br /><br />It bothers me (greatly) when a group becomes so hypersensitive to criticism that you can't seriously communicate with them. Throughout my life, I've seen it with African-Americans. And now I see it with white conservatives. Kind of ironic.<br /><br />I believe everything I said about the troubling overlap between white conservatives and white nationalists is not only fair, but reasoned, easy-to-prove and obvious to ANYONE outside of the conservative circle. And I'll bet you that any true centrist, however you define "centrist", would agree with me.<br /><br />Again, I hate to say it, again and again, but it might time for less defensiveness and more self-reflection. But I know you don't see it that way, Z, so I guess we might as well leave the race discussion here.<br /><br />and btw...<br /><br />"...when people slam the Tea Party members or Republicans...then I take the heat, too..."<br /><br />Oh I'm sure I've experienced the same mistreatment in a differnt way =)<br /><br />Lastly, I would also argue Shep Smith is more of a centrist. I'm assuming you think he's a liberal. And again, it's probably impossible to discuss media bias if we hold different definitions for the terms "liberal", "centrist" and "conservative". <br /><br />Heck, I'm a big-time free-market defender and advocate -- and you think of me as "left" (or at least, I THINK you do). I guess you feel this way because of my non-religious views? But a lot of religious people are poltically left, and I promise you I'm not the only atheist who sees his politics as right-leaning.<br /><br />Yes, meeting in person would make this a lot simpler -- I think =)net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-67824674238106286692011-08-19T00:07:12.359-07:002011-08-19T00:07:12.359-07:00"Also, Shep Smith, Chris Wallance, Brett Baie..."Also, Shep Smith, Chris Wallance, Brett Baier, are news reporters and moderators. They're not nearly as free to voice their opinions. Ergo, it's not a fair comparison as far as I am concerned."<br /><br />Then you have NEVER seen Shep Smith.<br /><br />And yes, Megyn Kelly's just returned and is extremely fair and balanced....she calls in to question the LIbs as much as the Right...I call that Centrist. Whatever her political leanings are, you'd never know them.<br />You certainly do know Wolf BLitzer's, Candy Crowley's, Don Lemon's, Tony what's-his-name on CNN (A guy I like, by the way...he's black...I can't remember his name, do you?)<br /><br /><br />"But my previous criticisms about white conservatives with respect to racial issues remain in tact, and for good reason." But you really haven't given me one.<br /><br /><br />And no, I don't think YOU think I"m a racist, but when people slam the Tea Party members or Republicans (again, those are people 90% of whom would vote for West OR Cain in a hearbeat, how racist is THAT?), then I take the heat, too........<br /><br /><br />Wait a minute, net...so you're saying that the TP folks who'd vote for West or Cain only want to vote for them to show they're open minded?......and they're too dumb to realize they might be RULED by them if elected? What kind of white nationalists would even VOTE for someone they didn't want 'ruling' them as president?? <br /><br />Man, wouldn't we have a time at a coffee shop? It would be SO SO SO much easier to explain ourselves in person, wouldn't it.<br /><br />I WISH you got sent to LA sometimes...i'd demand we meet :-)Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-75747568950720300352011-08-18T23:19:43.832-07:002011-08-18T23:19:43.832-07:00[how's he explain that 90% of Tea Partiers wou...[how's he explain that 90% of Tea Partiers would vote for Alan West or Herman Cain YESTERDAY if they could? I'd like your answer to that]<br /><br />I'm happy to offer you my answer. It's quite simple, Z. It's the same way "uptownsteve", someone you have labelled as a black bigot, admires Michael Moore. It's the same way Louis Farrakhan liked to play Mendelssohn.<br /><br />www.american3p.org<br /><br />Ever heard of these guys? They are an organization of very OPEN, unapologetic white nationalists. But if you go to their Facebook page right now, you will find a rather conspicuous link to one of Walter Williams's articles. You <br />will also find an equally conspicuous video of one of their racialist brethren speaking at a Tea Party rally.<br /><br />Frankly, their sentiments sound a LOT like that of a mainstream conservative publication (i.e., complaints over liberal media bias, concerns about black crimes against white victims, having problem with gov't interference in free markets, etc.)<br /><br />For the record, my point is ABSOLUTELY NOT to draw equations between people like you and people like them. My point is, if I were a white conservative, I would be concerned about an organization like that feeling any kind of natural kinship to me.<br /> <br />Villar, the Tea Party podcaster, is apparently like me. No, he certainly does NOT believe that the majority of his fellow Tea Partiers are white nationalists -- and neither do I. In fact, I think, the reason he speaks against such elements in his movement is to underline the <br />fact that they are NOT like that!<br /><br />Even HE recognizes, as I do, that just because you don't have a problem with the MAJORITY of your movement doesn't mean you don't have a problem at all. You may in fact STILL have a SERIOUS problem, regardless.<br /><br />For example, most African-Americans don't commit street crimes, but street crime is still a serious cultural problem in the African-American community. Both statements CAN be true!<br /><br />"I could have sworn that it was you who said you agreed with me on another post that racism was mostly gone......am I hallucinating?"<br /><br />I'm sure I have said something like that before, Z. And I feel the exact same way today. For the record, I haven't said anything in this thread or any thread that would lead anybody to think otherwise.<br /><br />Yes, I think racism, particularly the racism we think about in American history, is "mostly" gone. But "mostly gone" isn't the same as "all gone".<br /><br />[OH, and by the way: what GOPer would ever talk about 'something in their midst' that's racist? WHY? Let him CALL THEM OUT, by NAME if that's the case]<br /><br />Z, I explained in an earlier post that I don't wish go into the details of that story because of my concerns over privacy. If I told that story, people could easily figure out where I was and who I was listening to. And since the event was a relatively private fundraiser, I would rather leave it there.<br /><br />"You suggesting there are NO racists within the Democrat party? REALLY?"<br /><br />For the record, Z, I have never, ever, EVER, suggested anything of the sort.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-57564787740110565352011-08-18T23:05:42.138-07:002011-08-18T23:05:42.138-07:00PART 1
"Megan Kelly is extremely centrist&qu...PART 1<br /><br />"Megan Kelly is extremely centrist"<br /><br />Z, this quote alone essentially brings our conversation over media bias to a screaming halt, for there is no way we can reconcile our differences if you think Megyn Kelly is "extremely centrist".<br /><br />"you give the onus to ME to prove FOX has leftists, I tell you who they are and they're not leftwing ENOUGH?"<br /><br />And when I point out Scarborough on MSNBC, you dismiss him and people like Hasselbeck as not being conservative enough, so I guess we're even on that point.<br /><br />Also, Shep Smith, Chris Wallance, Brett Baier, are news reporters and moderators. They're not nearly as free to voice their opinions. Ergo, it's not a fair comparison as far as I am concerned.<br /><br />RACE:<br /><br />Unfortunately, it's starting to look like there's no room for reconciliation on this issue as well.<br /><br />Z, I swear I go out of my way to explain my EXTREMELY bend-over-backwards-to-be-fair position on this issue and I remain bewildered by many of your replies. Sometimes I wonder, "Is she actually reading what I'm actually writing?"<br /><br />[I don't FEEL racist, I don't KNOW racists and I'm DAMNED tired of being accused of it]<br /><br />Z, I can't tell if you're directing these statements at me, or people in general, or what. If you're directing them at me, I don't get it.<br /><br />As my record shows, in vivid color and detail, I have NEVER, EVER, not even ONCE, accused YOU of being racist or having racist feelings whatsoever. Not one word, not one thought; not a wink, nor a nod; not publicly, nor privately.<br /><br />"And, I'll go a step further and say I believe that it's Black 'leaders' who've done more to divide us than unite us."<br /><br />Well, we agree on that point, but there is certainly enough blame to go around. And yes, I read Walter Williams sometimes and often agree with him. But my previous criticisms about white conservatives with respect to racial issues remain in tact, and for good reason.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-78481102067398858262011-08-18T15:27:12.737-07:002011-08-18T15:27:12.737-07:00net...Shep Smith has a 3 hour afternoon show and i...net...Shep Smith has a 3 hour afternoon show and is NO Republican, trust me.<br />Megan Kelly is extremely centrist, too...<br /><br />Net...re my discussion continuation on race, i'm TIRED of it. I don't FEEL racist, I don't KNOW racists and I'm DAMNED tired of being accused of it. <br />And, I'll go a step further and say I believe that it's Black 'leaders' who've done more to divide us than unite us.<br />I hope you read Walt Williams sometimes; he really tells it like I see it.<br /><br />YOu say this:<br /><br />"But even THIS guy sometimes laments over the ugliness in his ranks when it comes to racial issues. No, he is NOT "beating up on his own". He is OBVIOUSLY trying to better his organization and his associates by talking about it and fighting against it, and for that alone, I admire the guy."<br /><br />I'd admire the guy, too, if I had heard of him.....also, how's he explain that 90% of Tea Partiers would vote for Alan West or Herman Cain YESTERDAY if they could? <br />I'd like your answer to that.<br /><br />Re FOX... fine, think it's not fair. But, NEVER tell me CNN or MSNBC or NPR are fair then! you give the onus to ME to prove FOX has leftists, I tell you who they are and they're not leftwing ENOUGH? <br />Why doesn't CNN have ANN COULTER on, then...? Or THE VIEW? How about having her on instead of that weak quasi-Republican Hasselbeck? I know why, you tell me.<br /><br />I could have sworn that it was you who said you agreed with me on another post that racism was mostly gone......am I hallucinating? <br /><br />OH, and by the way: what GOPer would ever talk about 'something in their midst' that's racist? WHY? Let him CALL THEM OUT, by NAME if that's the case......<br /><br />You suggesting there are NO racists within the Democrat party? REALLY?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-38002485063391404522011-08-17T16:02:12.899-07:002011-08-17T16:02:12.899-07:00PART 2
Remember that story I couldn't tell yo...PART 2<br /><br />Remember that story I couldn't tell you (and still can't tell) that might make your skin curl? It was actually a story that I heard an honorable conservative GOP-er share at a GOP fundraiser -- just 2 weeks ago. Similar to the podcast guy, this person wanted to let his/her fellow GOP-ers know that they have an ugly element in their midst but they remain determined to fight against it.<br /><br />I admire that person just like I do the Tea Party podcaster. Because people like that give me hope. But I have to admit, my hope diminishes quite rapidly when a fair-minded person like you can't even see what I'm talking about.<br /><br />"Maybe people need to do some 'self reflection' when they voted for a man with so little know.....oh, man, could I go on and on...self reflection? who?"<br /><br />Personally, I think self-reflection is something we should all consider from time to time, especially when reasonable people are consistently accusing us of bad behavior. If that makes me unreasonable, call me unreasonable.<br /><br />Z, please don't get me wrong. If you think my assessment on conservatives and race is nonsense, then that's your opinion. I'm certainly not gonna think any less of you. But I have to tell you, it's pretty doggone mind-boggling.<br /><br />To me, your response is like an Arab saying his culture doesn't have any problems with terrorism. Or a black American saying his culture doesn't have any problems with street thuggery. In both instances, it's not a question of that Arab's or that black person's direct association with scumbags. The question is "Why does your group appear to have more of these pathologies than other groups?" A legitimate question.<br /><br />But if that Arab/black person's only response is "There really isn't any difference", well, as far as I'm concerned, they are either solidly in denial or shockingly unaware of how they look to the rest of the world.<br /><br />So indeed, I think a little introspection is worthwhile for Arabs, Blacks, and everybody else, including white conservatives.<br /><br />Thx, Z!net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-77940089652351619732011-08-17T16:01:50.337-07:002011-08-17T16:01:50.337-07:00PART 1
Z,
I said Fox would never have a show wit...PART 1<br /><br />Z,<br /><br />I said Fox would never have a show with a liberal as the primary host. I know about "The Five". I happen to like that show mostly because of Beckel; otherwise it would be extremely redundant.<br /><br />But more importantly, Beckel isn't the primary host of that show. "The Five" treats all five of its hosts as equals, which each hosting a segment. To me, that's a long ways from hosting your own show like MSNBC's "Morning Joe".<br /><br />And "guest-hosting", as Juan Williams occasionally does, is also in my view a far cry from hosting your own show.<br /><br />I probably don't watch enough FoxNews to know about these other names. I can't stomach Fox's prime-time line-up at all. But maybe Fox shows more diversity than I know about. If so, I stand corrected. But even so, with the exception of Beckel, these names you list strike me as pretty moderate voices. Kirsten, Juan, etc. Left-of-center, sure. But straight-up liberals? I don't know about that.<br /><br />I am well-aware that Fox leads the other news networks in ratings, but I highly doubt it's because of their "fairness". I think it's because of their loyal following. Case in point, Rush Limbaugh has been light years ahead of other talk shows, forever, but it ain't because he's fair OR balanced.<br /><br />I am just now reading that you don't think Scarborough is a real conservative in part because of the way he beats up on his own. Well, many people, including me, would say Juan W and Kirsten are hardly true-blue liberals. And I'll bet you that Juan W has beat up on liberals at least as much as Scarborough has beat up on conservatives. But hey, if I'm wrong, I stand corrected again.<br /><br />CNN: I probably watch CNN the least of all of them -- it's just boring and weak, regardless of its leanings. But are they as liberal as Fox is conservative? I don't know that one either.<br /><br />Race: Too bad, Z. Just when I thought we were making progress. I can honestly say I am saddened by your response here. It's a startling, albeit anecdotal, indication of just how hopeless the situation is.<br /><br />Z, you obviously don't have to respond or even continuing read this. But if you don't mind, hear me out one last time, even if you choose not to respond:<br /><br />Check it out: I sometimes download a podcast called the Tea Party Power Hour by Mark Villar (I think that's his name). He's as right-wing as anybody in America. He questions Obama's citizenship; he takes every position that we associate with "conservatives" and "Tea Partiers" and he takes it all to the max.<br /><br />But even THIS guy sometimes laments over the ugliness in his ranks when it comes to racial issues. No, he is NOT "beating up on his own". He is OBVIOUSLY trying to better his organization and his associates by talking about it and fighting against it, and for that alone, I admire the guy.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-60209499330853300612011-08-16T22:05:36.356-07:002011-08-16T22:05:36.356-07:00NET...
CNN? NO...AND, IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY&...NET... <br />CNN? NO...AND, IF THEY'RE THERE, THEY'RE NOT REGULARS.<br />AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY WRONG......FOX HAS LIBERALS EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT...JUAN WILLIAMS (WHO HOSTS FROM TIME TO TIME), BOB BECKEL (WHO HAS HIS OWN SHOW WITH 4 OTHERS NOW, CALLED 'THE FIVE'), CAROLINE HOLMAN, KRISTEN POWERS, Judith Miller, Joe Trippi, etc etc ...I COULD GO ON AND ON...those are only the ones I remember! They're all good people, too... I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE THE MEDIA DOESN'T TELL THE TRUTH.<br />CNN HAS NOBODY ON REGULARLY.<br /><br />(sorry about the caps...I'm not yelling at you! It CAP'd by itself and I kept typing...and I'm too tired to redo)<br /><br />Joe Scarborough? SOME conservative :-) He's changed a lot, net....he blasts the Right more than anybody on their charade of a show. It's one big leftist echo chamber at CNN and MSNBC.<br /><br />THank GOD FOX has so many liberals on to balance it out. I appreciate that. I believe it's also why their ratings are so much higher than CNN's and MSNBC's..<br /><br /><br />I can't address the race stuff anymore... i'm tired of it.<br />I even get a whiff here from you of "republicans are more racist than democrats" and I can't address that because I'd get too angry. It's utterly ridiculous and I (and ever Republican I know) have no more association with 'far right nuts' than you do the weird atheists you mentioned in a comment somewhere above. Frankly, I"m offended they're called FAR RIGHT...it's like the left calling Conservatives Fascist when the actual meaning of fascist is leftist.<br /><br />The Right's supposed to engage in more 'self reflection'? WHY? <br />How do we stand out on race more than any other group, liberals, for example? Baloney.<br /><br />Maybe people need to do some 'self reflection' when they voted for a man with so little known about his past and with almost no experience, a liar who said he barely knew Bill Ayers, or that he never heard Jeremiah Wright on America, or maybe we could ask a publishing house why they'd give a contract to a guy who'd done nothing in his life but got to write an autobiography at a young age ..??, or appointing people like VAN JONES, whom Valerie Jarrett said they'd been watching for years with interest, then denied that when they had to let him go (the announcement coming late on a Friday night so they don't get the press they might..as if the press would EVER criticize their idol.....)<br />oh, man, could I go on and on..<br /><br />self reflection? who?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-31256954609110424762011-08-16T20:16:51.381-07:002011-08-16T20:16:51.381-07:00D@mn, I screwed it up again! lol
The REAL correct...D@mn, I screwed it up again! lol<br /><br />The REAL correction:<br /><br />"(c) Too many decent conservatives seem uncomfortable and even troubled about what they honestly feel about these issues."net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-24430374893977235662011-08-16T20:14:36.536-07:002011-08-16T20:14:36.536-07:00CORRECTION:
Might be hard to figure out:
"(...CORRECTION:<br /><br />Might be hard to figure out:<br /><br />"(c) Too many decent them don't seem uncomfortable and even troubled about what they honestly feel about these issues."net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-13136658963968108082011-08-16T20:10:40.732-07:002011-08-16T20:10:40.732-07:00PART 2
"but I know these people and I know t...PART 2<br /><br />"but I know these people and I know they'd be as happy as I would be if the stats on Black abortions, black unwanted children, gang killings, flash mobs, etc etc etc weren't happening."<br /><br />And I think that's very important to point out, Z. I honestly believe you're right. BUT we cannot end the conversation there. Because when a fair-minded individual like me has chats like I used to have on FPM, where various white conservatives had the nerve to suggest that I was voting for Obama because he was black...well, let's just say I don't feel so obligated to give people the benefit of the doubt when they aren't willing to do the same for me =)<br /><br />And I must add, those "racist" blacks in those hair salons are, I suspect, probably not all that evil either. But, similarly, they can hardly complain if people outside their circle label them "racists" based on their words and behavior.<br /><br />It's all the same thing to me, Z. In the end, I'm just looking for consistency, or at least a sincere attempt to be consistent; and I honestly don't see white conservatives, overall, as solidly consistent on racial matters, particularly with blacks. Not enough for me, anyway.<br /><br />My HONEST assessment? I think a lot of decent white conservatives are like you, Z -- to a point. (a) THEY are not bigots, and they know that most of their fellow conservatives aren't bigots -- commendable. (b) They are in fact embarrassed and disgusted by the bigotry that emanates from their side of the spectrum -- also commendable. But where a lot of these guys seem to split paths with you is (c) Too many decent them don't seem uncomfortable and even troubled about what they honestly feel about these issues. more importantly, how does one express these feelings without facing endless societal repsrisals?<br /><br />In some cases, it's like they're afraid to draw attention to the bigotry in their midst because they don't wanna pile on to the other side's characterization of them.<br /><br />Indeed, this a VERY real dilemma -- I'll be the first to admit it. The problem is this: Most decent people want bigotry condemned categorically without qualifications -- even when it's not that simple.<br /><br />It's why Obama remained in hot water for his patronage of Jeremiah Wright's church. I think his explanation made perfect sense. I think YOUR explanations of these issues make perfect sense. But not every is willing to be understanding like me =)<br /><br />And lastly, when I said "introspection", I am speaking pluralistically, if you will. That is, if I, someone who can hardly be seen as an arch enemy to conservatives, sees problems in these areas, maybe it's not too much to ask conservatives to engage in a bit more self-reflection.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-77640109092511919052011-08-16T20:10:09.548-07:002011-08-16T20:10:09.548-07:00PART 1
Z,
I don't watch a lot of CNN but is ...PART 1<br /><br />Z,<br /><br />I don't watch a lot of CNN but is Bill Bennett still there? Amy Holmes? Mary Matalin? Alex Castenellos? There are more right-wingers on CNN than left-wingers on Fox, I think.<br /><br />And Juan Williams, to me, is not all that liberal. But I guess that's a matter of definition.<br /><br />I got tickled one day when I read your blog a year or so ago where you referred to ME as "leftist". I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any self-described liberal/progressive who would characterize me as anywhere left of center. But again, it's a matter of interpretation, I guess =)<br /><br />(Fwiw, I would personally describe Williams as left-of-center, but that's just me)<br /><br />Also, I don't think MSNBC is trying to hide the fact that they are left-leaning. Their slogan, "Lean Forward", is clearly an answer to Fox's "Fair & Balanced". In both cases, it's clearly a proverbial wink to their fans: MSNBC = "Progressive-Leaning News & Analysis" and Fox = "Conservative Leaning News & Analysis"<br /><br />And yet and still, even MSNBC has Scarborough on in the morning, for like two hours. But you will NEVER EVER see a punditry-based show on Fox featuring a liberal as the primary host.<br /><br />"someone who'll stop insulting the GOP and get down to business. I believe his insults are precedent-setting and not at all healthy for Americans to hear"<br /><br />To be honest, when 40% of the GOP doesn't even believe Obama is a naturalized citizen, and with pundits like Beck saying, based on nothing as far as I'm concerned, that Obama harbors "a hatred for white people", and so forth and so on, I can frankly understand how the president might get a little testy every once in a while.<br /><br />Also, my only point about Christianity AND atheism is that neither is inherently good or bad.<br /><br />"atheism is part of what makes you untrusting of Conservatives"<br /><br />For me, it's not about "trust" or "lack of trust", Z -- whether we are talking about leftists OR rightists. It's merely a case of me not liking what I see and hear, and being honest about it.net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-52776884639236740712011-08-15T08:02:26.307-07:002011-08-15T08:02:26.307-07:00net Part 2
d. I think your blackness perhaps doe...net Part 2<br /><br /><br />d. I think your blackness perhaps doesn't give you any more 'right' to comment on race but your viewpoint is obviously different than mine, so I welcome reading what you say, even when it hurts, because I have only ONCE in my life felt real insult because I was Armenian, only once EVER, and Blacks in this country have felt insult a lot more than that.<br /><br />As you said in your comment, something you witnessed last week obviously informs your feelings...how can it not?<br />Please don't share it, it would probably make me ill.<br /><br />I do know RACIALIST versus RACIST; we've certainly covered that in the past, right? :-)<br /><br />I HATE some of what I read here at GeeeZ in comments on race...detest them, and have very very often considered deleting them, but I know these people and I know they'd be as happy as I would be if the stats on Black abortions, black unwanted children, gang killings, flash mobs, etc etc etc weren't happening. <br />NOTHING would make conservatives at GeeeZ happier than if nobody ever had to read articles showing Black American kids harming themselves and others. That's not to say White American kids don't!...but the media focuses in on only the BAD news with Black kids; another thing I find odd for the 'big, open minded leftwing media' that couldn't wait to call Tea Partiers (with all the Blacks involved with them) racist, you know, the folks who'd vote for Allen West tomorrow if they could?...........here at geeeeZ, my leftwing troll can't wait to "out" gays and he's the first to call us racist....<br /><br /><br />I have never in my life heard of that Mississippi thing about wanting intermarriage illegal!! NEVER. As you know, I've always said that intermarriage seems to be the only thing that will STOP racism in this country; too bad that effect would probably take 50 years even if every kid today was marrying another color......<br />that Mississippi thing is disgusting and STUPID.<br /><br />I'll ask again what I asked last night in my comment above........MY introspection?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-90953726342836491922011-08-15T07:51:24.535-07:002011-08-15T07:51:24.535-07:00Hi, net:
a. Yes, while Conservative tax dollars m...Hi, net:<br /><br />a. Yes, while Conservative tax dollars must support Bill Moyers at PBS and many on NPR who are diametrically opposed and even witheringly insulting to our values...would those NPR and PBS viewers/listeners who are perfectly happy about that support Hannity were he on PBS of NPR? i think not.<br /><br />Yes, we have FOX (which CNN and msnbc and every lib venue are constantly belittling) and it's watched by FAR more than any other venue so they're making sense to a lot of Americans, but my point is 'to call them unthinkingly rightwing' as those leftists do, when Blitzer, Crowley, Schultz, Lemon, and ALL the CNN /MSNBC people are SO unapologetically leftwing in their presentations is absurd.<br />FOX has both sides represented almost every single segment...they have regular contributors like Bob Beckel and Juan Williams and Joe Trippi....one sees nearly NONE OF THAT on either CNN or MSBNC.<br />It's silly...but it's in peoples' minds that FOX IS THE BIASED ONE.<br />Have you seen how the lib media and our gov't are going after Newscorp now? think that's got much to do other than it owns FOX? :-)<br /><br />b. Frankly, every small business here in L.A. is either closed or not hiring.... of course taxes aren't the single reason for this economy not recovering and so few hiring. I don't think anybody's suggesting they are.<br />The business owners I hear are scared to death of Obamacare (even our doctors who voted for Obama are...one, our long-haired very liberal-wonder urologist, asked Mr. Z shortly before he died (this is someone he used to argue with about obama) "WHERE are the Republicans? they've got to stop this!")<br /><br />We need a president who's optimistic at least some of the time......someone who'll stop insulting the GOP and get down to business. I believe his insults are precedent-setting and not at all healthy for Americans to hear.<br /><br />c. Christianity was the only religion in the South during the K K K, net...one can't blame a faith that would NEVER EVER hold a whole group of people down, oR KILL THEM FROM TREES!!, on Christianity. Sure, one could say "They were Christians" but that's like saying "All NAZIS were CHristians!" ...there were very few hindus and muslims in Germany back then. That's what Germans WERE. And, of course, true Christian Germans fought for the Jews and died in concentration camps right alongside them, something that's not taught in our schools, by the way.<br />You have no relationship to them, fine; but I will say I still think your atheism is part of what makes you untrusting of Conservatives, tho you seem to fluctuate minute-by-minute about whether you are Conservative or not...and always did, frankly!Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-14192974212385350712011-08-15T00:33:46.499-07:002011-08-15T00:33:46.499-07:00net, I'll get to your email Monday..oh, it IS ...net, I'll get to your email Monday..oh, it IS Monday... Well, Monday MORNING :-)<br /><br />But you say "maybe it's time for a little introspection.<br /><br />Or not =)"<br /><br />You don't think I have considered all you've said here in many ways before?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73832881994093150112011-08-14T20:35:18.263-07:002011-08-14T20:35:18.263-07:00PART 2
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"It turns my stomach to read wha...PART 2<br /><br />(d)<br /><br />"It turns my stomach to read what you write. I don't KNOW an f'ing racist, net"<br /><br />This is where I REALLY don't follow you, Z.<br /><br />And before I start, I must state this: I don't think my blackness gives me more of a right to comment on the issue of race. So, as far as I'm concerned, there's no need for you to conceded any ground to me on this issue. I certainly do not feel entitled to any.<br /><br />Having said that, I call it as I see it, Z.<br /><br />First of all, I NEVER said you "knew a racist", and even if you did, so what? That has nothing to do with what I said.<br /><br />I said today's conservative movement is a little too friendly with the white racialist element. And when I say "too friendly", I mean based on my personal tastes. If you disagree, you disagree. But if you wanna know why I feel that way, no problem.<br /><br />Well, for one, over a decade of writing in and reading the comments sections of various online right-wing publications. And anybody who knows me knows that I am not at all quick to accuse someone of racial bigotry.<br /><br />Again, I bring up that poll, which was taken in 2011, where almost half of the Mississippi GOP-ers surveyed thought interracial marriage shold be ILLEGAL. Not frowned upon. Not discouraged. ILLEGAL. 46%.<br /><br />Maybe one day I'll find out that survey is meaningless. But right now, indeed, it bothers me.<br /><br />Another item: Z, I don't have to tell you the things "Impertinent" has said consistently over the years. But far more importantly, in the world of online conservative publications, he's just not that rare.<br /><br />Having said all that, if you note, I have never ever called Imp a racist. That's how fair-minded I am on this subject, Z. Still, however, I have no problem calling him a racialist, and if you look up the term "racialist" (not "racist"), it fits him quite well. And I suspect even he accepts the label.<br /><br />And your stomach turns when I speak on this subject? What am I saying that is so wrong?<br /><br />Z, because I am a private person, I can't tell you all the things that inform my opinions. But believe me, I can tell you a story right now, that I experienced a couple weeks ago, that might make your skin curl, and it's much deeper than an anecdote.<br /><br />Wanna the truth, Z? I am GLAD to see your indignation when you think someone is accusing your movement of racism (even though that's not what I was doing). I am VERY GLAD to see a white conservative show some indignation over the suggestion. Because I don't see enough of that, quite frankly. If I did, I wouldn't say what I am saying.<br /><br />And if I saw white conservatives take the same attitude with white right-wing bigots as they do with black left-wing bigots, I wouldn't say anything then either. But that is not the case.<br /><br />Lastly, for the record, Z, I didn't say (or evne think) white conservatives demonstrated "tacit approval" of racism. I said, as group, they seem too comfortable with the white racialist element. Yes, it's just my opinion but it's a very rational one, if you ask me.<br /><br />One final-final note, Z: I find myself defending white conservatives againt other "moderates" (whatever you wanna call us) who aren't NEARLY as moderate as I am. <br /><br />My point being, if I think conservatives have a problem in this area, and I'm not even what you could call an enemy of conservatives, then, well, maybe it's time for a little introspection.<br /><br />Or not =)net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79202456019519219722011-08-14T20:34:16.939-07:002011-08-14T20:34:16.939-07:00PART 1
Well, like I said, Z, sometimes we have to...PART 1<br /><br />Well, like I said, Z, sometimes we have to agree to disagree. Although I think that some of our "disagreement" is mostly misunderstanding.<br /><br />For example:<br /><br />(a) I NEVER said, or suggested, or thought, that there was "no liberal bias in the media". Repeat, I never said, or suggested, or thought, that there was "no liberal bias in the media".<br /><br />Z, I openly concede that there IS a liberal bias in most of the news media, even though I think it's LONG ways from what it used be.<br /><br />But more importantly, I don't understand the right's ongoing complaints about it when we have options like Fox and talk radio, and we've had them for well over a decade now.<br /><br />It's kinda like, with all due respect, when will conservatives stop complaining? When everything looks and smells like FoxNews? Never?<br /><br />To me, it's a little weird.<br /><br />(b)<br /><br />I think your point about our government doing what it can to keep businesses/jobs in America is legitimate. I just don't know if something like, for instance, lowering tax rates can trump, say, the much-cheaper work forces in other parts of the world. It may or may not -- I don't know.<br /><br />Frankly, I deal with business people everyday. Some of them are in pretty high places. But I rarely hear them blaming things like tax policy for the state of the economy.<br /><br />A lot of right-wing politicos seem to think that they are championing the fight for American business, but I don't know if American business sees it that way.<br /><br />(c)<br /><br />Firstly, another very necessary clarification: I don't hate or even dislike Christians or Christianity, Z. More to the point, I don't CARE what Christians do or don't do on their own time and in their own spaces.<br /><br />I don't see myself as being in any kind of a fight with Christendom -- or any other religion. I just happen to be an atheist, which, in my mind, is someone who flat-out does not believe in the concept of a Supreme Being. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with my morals. It has nothing to do with how I treat my fellow human beings. It has nothing to do with anything.<br /><br />And for whatever it's worth, Z, dare I say, most atheists are decent people, just like you and me, and aren't at all interested in radically disrupting the lives of others.<br /><br />Are there examples of atheists who aren't so cool as described above? Of course. Just like there's scum within any other group of people, including Christians. I honestly don't see what's so problematic or controversial about my position.<br /><br />"Remind me how much better things have become with our kids and society in general since the atheists and some others on the left have tried so hard to insult and malign Christianity"<br /><br />Well, there was a lot more "prayer in school" and a substantial amount of "Church-going" back when the KKK ruled the Old South. So, in one sense, it's very easy to remind you of how much better things are since "the left" and "the atheists" showed their muscle.<br /><br />Yes, there are atheistic political organizations who fight dubious fights, as you pointed out. But as for me, it's kind of similar to what I previously said about black thugs: I have no relationship to them. So what more can I say?net observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11267868386003645693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-19209243310340804322011-08-13T17:22:03.818-07:002011-08-13T17:22:03.818-07:00net...where do I start.
Yes, I think Palin's ...net...where do I start.<br /><br />Yes, I think Palin's as intelligent as Obama and I think she has things in her he doesn't that better qualify her for president than he was.<br />Having said that, I'm not a big fan of hers, by the way.<br /><br />Blaming gov't for no jobs is easy to explain : We need to encourage businesses to stay in this country. We need to stop scaring businesses with a healthcare plan they still don't know the details of and they're not hiring because of it.<br />OH, yes, I blame government for no jobs...and I blame gov't for creating GOVERNMENT jobs which cannot be sustained$$$<br /><br /><br />Re the MEDIA>.sorry, I can't even address it because I'm too stunned. My blog has, nearly every day, an astonishing media bias.<br />Here's one I didn't know until seeing Coulter speak today: <br />The left complains about the right rallying voters, tea party events, influencing, etc.....<br />did you know VERY liberal Ed Schultz of radio and msnbc spent about 2 weeks in a parking lot in Wisconsin rallying voters to vote for the liberals? They spent gazillions of dollars there and the Republicans actually won, a kind of miracle.<br />Yet, no indignation about Ed Schultz being there from the media THIS time because he's a leftist.<br />There are SO MANY things the media doesn't report on, misinforms, leaves details out, etc., that , honestly, I hate to be rude or sound offensive, but I can't even deal with your suggestion that there's no leftist media bias.<br />By the way, net....I have never loved paying Bill MOyers' paycheck when he was on PBS but I don't complain; How would you like it if Hannity was on PBS and your tax dollars supported him?<br /><br />Yes, I am very well aware how you feel about Christians and I can't go there, either. <br />Remind me how much better things have become with our kids and society in general since the atheists and some others on the left have tried so hard to insult and malign Christianity...no 'Merry Christmas' (someone will get offended :-) no praying with JESUS in the prayer at a military funeral because somebody will be offended (never mind it's a CHristian burial)....My GOD, I could go on for hours on this one.<br /><br />As for racism.......I"m not going to fight with you. It turns my stomach to read what you write. I don't KNOW an f'ing racist, net.<br />And, according to my black friend, no conservative talks like they have in beauty salons she's been in.........<br /><br />YOu should have seen the gorgeous and HUGELY funny black woman who introduced Ann Coulter today at the luncheon....MY GOD, it did my soul good to see an amazing AMERICAN WOMAN speaking her OWN MIND.<br />I loved her.<br /><br />I won't talk race with you....you're black, I can NEVER KNow your experiences and what makes you feel there's some kind of tacit racism approval among White Conservatives.<br />Odd, it's WE who encourage and applaud minorities...it's the left and black pimps like SHarpton and Rangel who constantly harangue about racism...and insist Blacks need more than WHites do to subsist. "The soft bigotry of low expectations" TURNS MY STOMACH.<br />By the way, the Tea Party event I attended was 1/4 full of Black Americans...some racists, huh?<br /><br />there you have it...thankfully, I'm too pooped to write more on this subject but, mostly, it's sadness....I have to say you had me going there with previous emails and then stunned me with your latest 2....you're entitled to how you feel, so am I, you know I like you SO much and enjoy the emails we've had together in the past, and this hurts. I have to admit it.<br />xxx meZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.com