tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post8798576003029360693..comments2023-11-02T03:10:39.674-07:00Comments on GeeeeeZ!: THIS "Ain't No Tea Party"Zhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-63962632406795981842010-04-11T16:03:22.713-07:002010-04-11T16:03:22.713-07:00Mark, that's what I don't quite get.
A c...Mark, that's what I don't quite get. <br />A child is a child whether it's rape or not.<br />And, a woman can live on...through pregnancy and whatever she decides to do after the birth.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27160273272351819002010-04-11T09:40:56.337-07:002010-04-11T09:40:56.337-07:00So, Soapy, you are saying that because a woman is ...So, Soapy, you are saying that because a woman is raped or involved in incest we should execute the innocent baby, who has no part in the commission of either crime?<br /><br />How is that just? How is that compassionate?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15633208787250567256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-69356507901413214922010-04-11T09:29:04.171-07:002010-04-11T09:29:04.171-07:00Soapbox, you said "To listen to "conserv...Soapbox, you said "To listen to "conservatives" who rail against government intrusion or the imposition of progressive/liberal agendas into their lives then display no compunction about the imposition of their limited view on the life issue being force fed upon the rest of the citizenry is hypocrisy at best."<br /><br />"Limited view" is YOUR opinion, of course. Odd that you called yourself pro-life somewhere recently.<br /><br />Government intrusion is quite different than the taking of LIFE.<br />I believe that people being force-fed legal abortion is hypocrisy to the sensibilities of most Americans who are pro-life...Republicans and Democrats alike.<br />Life trumps government, in my opinion.<br />A woman's life goes on through a pregnancy....nothing's put on hold; they even have high schools with baby facilities for young mothers.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-87156592902898069332010-04-11T07:49:17.973-07:002010-04-11T07:49:17.973-07:00"It's no less a child because of the rape...<b>"It's no less a child because of the rape. And, while it's a horrible nauseating thought to have to go through 9 months and a painful delivery, it seems to me that IF we're arguing LIFE, then we give LIFE and then, if necessary, give that life to a couple who wants to raise a child."</b><br /><br />Life is about much much more than simply passing through the birth canal. What of the life of the mother who's own life is placed on hold for 9 months? This is precisely why I used the Olympian example that I did. Your argument for Life negates Liberty. <br /><br />To listen to "conservatives" who rail against government intrusion or the imposition of progressive/liberal agendas into their lives then display no compunction about the imposition of their limited view on the life issue being force fed upon the rest of the citizenry is hypocrisy at best.Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-8290772322379084802010-04-10T23:25:43.735-07:002010-04-10T23:25:43.735-07:00Beamish, put aside your philosophy about flag burn...<i>Beamish, put aside your philosophy about flag burning and the legalities and ethics of it, etc etc...<br /><br />Does it please you to see a lefty (or anybody else?) say he hates this country and put a match to the red/white and blue? Seriously....are you completely unmoved?</i><br /><br />It doesn't please me to see leftist twits (forgive the redundancy) disrespecting a symbol of American identity and tradition. It's a very stupid act of immaturity and ignorance that ultimately expresses nothing but how irrationally superstitious the left can be.<br /><br />If stupidity were illegal, there could be no leftism. <br /><br />Stupidity is legal, though. It doen't make it less stupid nor less obvious to point out.<br /><br />You won't catch me wasting any time with assuming a leftist is capable of intellectual discussion.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53623448209238963542010-04-10T23:24:05.722-07:002010-04-10T23:24:05.722-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-35396761366448833662010-04-10T23:24:05.721-07:002010-04-10T23:24:05.721-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-27363460563560989442010-04-10T13:02:32.680-07:002010-04-10T13:02:32.680-07:00Beamish, put aside your philosophy about flag burn...Beamish, put aside your philosophy about flag burning and the legalities and ethics of it, etc etc...<br /><br />Does it please you to see a lefty (or anybody else?) say he hates this country and put a match to the red/white and blue? Seriously....are you completely unmoved?Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-45159634605075963492010-04-10T11:54:34.324-07:002010-04-10T11:54:34.324-07:00Two things were killed off in the Nineteen-Sick-St...Two things were killed off in the Nineteen-Sick-Sties:<br /><br />1. Good Taste<br /><br />2. Common sense.<br /><br />If that had not happened, we wouldn't need to have discussions of this kind today.<br /><br />A little-known adage worth contemplating:<br /><br />LAWS ARE NEVER MADE TILL THEY ARE BROKEN.<br /><br /><br />~ FreeThinkeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-548494159247460232010-04-10T11:42:47.164-07:002010-04-10T11:42:47.164-07:00The fact is, burning the flag is done, precisely b...<i>The fact is, burning the flag is done, precisely because it's a defiant act, and because people like most of us here are offended and appalled.</i><br /><br />Only that it isn't a defiant act. It's actually rather passe. People all over the world burn American flags. In many of those non-American places that American flags are burned, it's illegal to burn that nation's flag and many freedoms we take for granted in America are heavily curtailed or non-existent. <br /><br />When government is big enough to be concerned about flag burning because it incites people to be non-violently offended, government is ginormous.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-6552631813699296792010-04-09T19:41:07.915-07:002010-04-09T19:41:07.915-07:00Soapbox, you said "But how can you then make ...Soapbox, you said "But how can you then make a logical argument that a woman who has not agreed or consented to sexual intercourse should then be made to bear the consequences of an agreement or contract that she did not consent to?"<br /><br />So, you're arguing about rape, obviously. If it's about unborn babies being human beings before they're born, then we're still killing the child with an abortion no matter how it was conceived.<br /><br />It's no less a child because of the rape. And, while it's a horrible nauseating thought to have to go through 9 months and a painful delivery, it seems to me that IF we're arguing LIFE, then we give LIFE and then, if necessary, give that life to a couple who wants to raise a child.Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15989573357446569262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-53800118226966242072010-04-09T17:02:30.814-07:002010-04-09T17:02:30.814-07:00Soapy, maybe you can tell me when we didn't ha...Soapy, maybe you can tell me when we didn't have a right to be offended. What do you mean "right now"?<br /><br />Right now, it's lawsuits over being offended, which is ridiculous. All that leads to is hate speech laws, and political correctness. Which are deplorable and counter to the 1st amendment.<br /><br />Society has a way of deciding what is acceptable for civil behavior. That does not need to be codified by law. <br /><br />Our problem is, we have lowered our standards for decent, civil behavior. However, you cannot legislate morality or decency, it's all in what we'll tolerate or not, as a society.<br /><br />The fact is, burning the flag is done, precisely because it's a defiant act, and because people like most of us here are offended and appalled. <br /><br />And there is another, more important reason to be offended. We love our country, and when the flag goes up in flames, it insults every soldier, and his family, who gave his life for America to remain free.<br /><br />PrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-15367487242324752222010-04-09T15:52:39.435-07:002010-04-09T15:52:39.435-07:00"Hardly like cursing. It's a trashing of ...<b>"Hardly like cursing. It's a trashing of something held dear by other citizens and it hurts them terribly to see it. It's like spitting in our faces."</b><br /><br />Well you know, the right to be offended is all rage now. Just ask Sarah Palin.Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-79653476420892774912010-04-09T14:36:35.344-07:002010-04-09T14:36:35.344-07:00Hardly like cursing. It's a trashing of somet...Hardly like cursing. It's a trashing of something held dear by other citizens and it hurts them terribly to see it. It's like spitting in our faces.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73620681245812996062010-04-09T13:46:50.928-07:002010-04-09T13:46:50.928-07:00I don't know of any Pro-abortionists anymore t...I don't know of any Pro-abortionists anymore than I know of any Pro-war individuals but nonetheless you are quite right. Such are contradictions that any Pro-choicer should respond to.<br /><br />Unfortunately, I'm don't consider myself to be Pro-choice but rather Pro-Life so I'm not the right individual to respond to your inquiry.Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-82262320829162069292010-04-09T13:33:47.694-07:002010-04-09T13:33:47.694-07:00It is said that contradictions do not exist. When ...<i>It is said that contradictions do not exist. When it seem they do one is reminded to check their premises because one of them is false.</i><br /><br />Fair enough.<br /><br />The false premises of the pro-abortion stance are:<br /><br />- a baby in the womb is not a human being. <br /><br />[when a pregnant woman is killed, the killer is usually charged with two murders]<br /><br />- a baby in the womb is part of its mother's body<br /><br />[biology disagrees. Babies can and often do have different blood types than the mother, for example]<br /><br />- a baby in the womb is a parasitic organism<br /><br />[then we all are...](((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-6308761627753446332010-04-09T13:32:35.194-07:002010-04-09T13:32:35.194-07:00"If you and I agree by contract to have me re...<b>"If you and I agree by contract to have me re-roof your house, you assume that I will do the job on time and within budget yet you also assume a level of risk as well."</b><br /><br />I meant to add as well that if I simply re-roof your house but you never entered into an agreement or contract with me, do I then have a right to receive payment for the work?<br /><br />Presumably you will say no as well you should. <br /><br />But how can you then make a logical argument that a woman who has not agreed or consented to sexual intercourse should then be made to bear the consequences of an agreement or contract that she did not consent to?Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-37957639074056178912010-04-09T13:17:13.790-07:002010-04-09T13:17:13.790-07:00Great talking points but they don't answer the...Great talking points but they don't answer the fundamental question which is whether or not an individual (in this case a woman) should be held responsible for a contract that they have not voluntarily agreed to?<br /><br />Granted it's not sexy to think of intercourse as a contract but the reality is that it is in essence a contractual agreement between two individuals. Be it a wink and a nod or what have you, when you engage in the act of your own volition, you assume (as with ANY contract) a certain level of risk. In the case of intercourse, such risk could be an STD or obviously pregnancy.<br /><br />If you and I agree by contract to have me re-roof your house, you assume that I will do the job on time and within budget yet you also assume a level of risk as well.<br /><br />It's all too easy for pro-lifers to take a subjective view with regards to pregnancy and assert "well this is a life; a human being we're talking about".<br /><br />While indeed this is true, it fails to answer the question of whether or not an individual should be held accountable for a contractual agreement (in this case intercourse) that they did not voluntarily enter in to.<br /><br />It is said that contradictions do not exist. When it seem they do one is reminded to check their premises because one of them is false.Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-88741494212129561142010-04-09T12:37:30.243-07:002010-04-09T12:37:30.243-07:00Faith,
Flag burning is like cursing. It reflects ...Faith,<br /><br />Flag burning is like cursing. It reflects badly on the one who does it, but it's still perfectly legal.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-17801587335844660462010-04-09T12:34:24.211-07:002010-04-09T12:34:24.211-07:00Soapboxgod,
No woman gets an abortion to cut out ...Soapboxgod,<br /><br />No woman gets an abortion to cut out a piece of her body.(((Thought Criminal)))https://www.blogger.com/profile/17311656184275255223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-30633798525624575282010-04-09T12:31:53.350-07:002010-04-09T12:31:53.350-07:00Right, sticks and stones will break my bones but w...Right, sticks and stones will break my bones but words and burning a mere symbol of our country can't hurt anyone. It hurts terrifically. And abortion is murder.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-45369618716115347482010-04-09T12:28:58.568-07:002010-04-09T12:28:58.568-07:00It's no right or freedom to murder your own ch...It's no right or freedom to murder your own child.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-11964555538412059842010-04-09T12:14:55.523-07:002010-04-09T12:14:55.523-07:00"I certainly would never bomb the Washington ..."I certainly would never bomb the Washington monument to register a complaint on the evils of America but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's desire to do so."<br /><br />"I certainly would never spit in the face of the President but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's desire to do so." <br /><br />"I certainly would never have an abortion but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's right to murder her child." <br /><br />Really Faith?? I mean really??? And here Z was criticizing my analogies...<br /><br />Let's take 'em one at a time huh.<br /><br />Bombing the Washington monument would constitute the destruction of property not to mention quite possibly innocent civilians in the process. A flag, provided it has not been taken by force from its rightful owner, and the subsequent burning of it is hardly comparable.<br /><br />Spitting, while certainly not likely to inflict any sort of noticable damage or harm to another individual, does nonetheless constitute to some degree a physical sort of tresspassing against another individual. As a staunch advocate of individual rights, I would never condone any action which is in any way, shape, or form, a physical act against another individual.<br /><br />Lastly, you are quite right in that I would never have an abortion even were I a woman. But what I will tell you is that individuals have the right to processes and workings of their own body. Rights do not extend to potentials. There is no right to be born. Any supposed fetal birthright does not exist with the fetus mind you but instead with the mother who has a fundamental right to the workings of her own body.<br /><br />Albeit such instances are rare but suppose a woman made it life's ambition to be an Olympic athlete. Suppose she did all of the things necessary for her lifelong ambition of becoming an Olympic champion. Now..let us suppose that she has qualified for the Olympics and 2 months before the Olympics are to begin she is raped and subsequently impregnated.<br /><br />Are you going to tell me that even though this woman at no time consented to sexual intercourse or engaged in any sort of voluntary agreement to have intercourse now by force has an obligation to carry to full term this child?<br /><br />And in so doing has her own life and liberty essentially sacrificed for the sake of another?Name: Soapboxgodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894163990538183457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-73408051725711790462010-04-09T11:09:07.495-07:002010-04-09T11:09:07.495-07:00My sentiments exactly Beamish. I certainly would n...<i>My sentiments exactly Beamish. I certainly would never burn an American flag to make a point on the First Amendment but you can damn well bet that I wouldn't stifle anyone else's desire to do so. </i><br /><br />"I certainly would never bomb the Washington monument to register a complaint on the evils of America but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's desire to do so."<br /><br />"I certainly would never spit in the face of the President but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's desire to do so." <br /><br />"I certainly would never have an abortion but I wouldn't stifle anyone else's right to murder her child." <br /><br />Hard to find the right analogy but this idea that you defend burning the flag that means so much to so many as a "right" or "freedom" is disgusting.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5516627478339613810.post-65658655041382910532010-04-09T11:00:24.490-07:002010-04-09T11:00:24.490-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Faith https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064746447414555577noreply@blogger.com