I just heard a Reagan quote on Laura Ingraham's show this morning:
it went something like: "The Left has gone so far left that they might have actually left America........" You have to hand it to Reagan.
Who you can't 'hand it to' are the people in a poll on Ingraham's website which asks her mostly Conservative listeners:
"Will you consider sitting out the election if John McCain is the nominee?"
Are you sitting down, friends? 63% said YES. Ya, NOW you're sitting. Think about that. This is the ULTIMATE in "Cutting off your nose to spite your face". It's "Okay, we don't like McCain, so we're going for a Democrat who'll go against everything we stand for, someone who'll appoint liberal judges who will be on the bench for years to come, bring US so far Left that WE might actually have to leave America!" WHAT is with these people?
Please talk to your conservative friends, make SURE they VOTE! I don't like McCain AT ALL, either, but NOT VOTE? It's not like that's not going to help the Left! With a win for them, in a Democrat congress, they'll be brushing us farther left and farther left...........well, you know you're all welcome to my Left Coast, but I hope you all know how to SWIM...................!
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Fully agree!
I'm writing in Mr. Beamish in an attempt to be appointed as Secretary of the Navy
It's just the frustration talking. Conservatives are having a hard time accepting the fact the country has moved left. By November, and faced with Hillary as an alternative, conservative voters will do what they have to do.
Mike
I sure do hope so, Mike.
I have that feeling, too...frustration, indeed.(who isn't?) But, we do have to remind people about THE COURTS! We might not getting anything conservatives want with McCain, but he's supposedly into strict constuctionists. I hope.
Great quote by Reagan, huh?
There is a good reason why the MSM has, and will continue, to promote McCain. I believe that the reason is that he is the most easily beatable by the Democrats. While one might think it is because of some of his "liberal" views (and we all pretty much know where they are, in the final analysis, it is probably because he can be easily demonized to both the left and the right. And the Clintons are just the right ones to do it.
Further, the idea that conservatives will "protest" the presidential candidate McCain (should he be selected), by not voting, is infantile, stubborn and counterproductive to the max. There has never been an election that wasn't, to some degree and in some area, a choice of the lesser of two evils. Even Reagan gave a general amnesty, for crying out loud. What a surprise that no presidential candidate matches up with me in every category! Well, Duh!
I think that Mike is right that the country has moved left: both parties even.
Dick Morris noted last night that 2/3 of people who identify themselves as Republicans claim to be either moderate or liberal. That's a big shift.
Pati
Our colleges are having the huge impact we'd always feared, that's why. Medved's waxing eloquent about McCain ALREADY....the media HAS CHOSEN THEIR MAN!
He says Rush even said McCain was the most Reaganesque..only because he came into 'power' with Reagan! What is the MATTER with these people!? Mike, if you heard that quote better than Medved translated it (By Rush), straighten us out here...it petrified me. RUSH FOR McCAIN? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
See, Medved (even Rush?) said this today "wake up and smell the coffee, folks" Translation: McCain is our guy..choke on it. We need to vote for McCain.
I could see him capitulating BEFORE Super Tuesday..but NOW? oy.
Z I'll hold my nose and vote for him. You know what he WON'T get? He won't get any money from me, my taxes will be going up anyways, he won't get the week of work that I usually schedule for Republican Prez candidates, including phone calls, sign waving etc..
I am SO sickened and disappointed that the media has SUCH a hold on so many Republicans that most of McCain's voters last night only know what the papers and TV news tell them! I talked to DOZENS of people in the lead up to the election and the ignorance level was STAGGERING! The seniors in FL swung it for McCain BIG.
That and Huckabee's four steady days of siphoning off Evangelicals in the panhandle. Here the Huckster is down so far in FL 7 days ago that he left the state to campaign elsewhere, makes sense.
THEN Romney surges BIG in FL, and Juan's buddy the Huckster gets called in to campaign for votes in the panhandle and north Florida area with everything he's got! I told Nanette 5 days ago what was happening and she couldn't believe me. It looks like the Huckster gained 5-8 points in the last week and Mitt lost by 4.5 or 5%.
Huckster and McCain are up to something.
Morgan
Morgan, 'glad' to see you agree with me re: the media.....this is ALL THEM.
When the Reps call me now, I just say "if this is for money, I'm afraid I'd be wasting your time, so save me the spiel.." I have also said "When the Reps become Reps again, call me back". Mean, but....
Tell me; I still have my primary coming up and just because McCain seems to have the delegates, it's not going to hurt anything if I vote ROMNEY, right?
THIS POST IS FROM PATI (Z moved this really comprehensive and informative post from another article here at geeZ to this article so more of you interested in the mcCain situation could see it..): from Pati:
Sorry Z,
While I am still undecided, I am currently leaning toward McCain. You, or anyone here, are welcome to try to sway me.
I actually went to his senate site, and read for myself his comments on the tax issue, the Guantanamo issue, the Marriage Amendment etc. And, by and large, I agree with him. If you bother to read his statement on the floor of the Senate with regards to the tax cuts and spending, every thing he said would happen, has. He has railed consistently against pork, he was on record more than four years ago about how the process of earmarks/pork bypass proper procedure..Bush just got around to it yesterday.
Here's some links to specific comments and to his Senate site:
McCain rails against pork spending, the need to fund our military better, and the bad economy long before anyone else is admitting the problem.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=7bd2ef9b-5496-4151-bfb9-8d568cbcef8b&Region_id=&Issue_id=
The Boeing issue:
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=93e549ab-2be6-410d-9261-ec3b1abc6211&Region_id=&Issue_id=
McCain in 2004 AGAIN talking about the out of control spending during a time of war and high deficits and the strain that places on the taxpayer.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=5695a422-ba10-4e8d-adb8-28cf72741b89&Region_id=&Issue_id=
This is not demanding any particular action, but asking for clarification, no doubt because they are being asked by their constituents. Given the fact that McCain was a POW, I do not find in remarkable that he would feel that the actions should be clear and straight forward and not left up in the air with no end in sight. I don't think that is quite the same as bringing them here. He says as war criminals which would not be our court system, or sending them to their home countries for the judicial process. Afghanistan and Iraq both have prison and judicial systems in place. In any case, not quite what Limbaugh was suggesting.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecordType_id=75e7e4a0-6088-44b6-8061-089d80513dc4&Region_id=&Issue_id=&MonthDisplay=0&YearDisplay=2003
Stock option accounting reform to prevent another Enron type scenario.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=2b9eb6cb-07b5-4a20-8b5a-57db6cae8c7c&Region_id=&Issue_id=
On the Marriage Amendment, I think he supports his vote eloquently and I agree with his assessment.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=75632175-8c6d-4502-a993-8fd518431fe8&Region_id=&Issue_id=
This IS the statement made on the floor of the Senate when 'debate' about the upcoming proposal for tax cuts.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=bd791d5d-5016-44d8-93d0-924d5abf63fc&Region_id=&Issue_id=c0a1cd3d-1012-497b-881e-3ecaf836b694
When the actual vote for cuts came up he had offered an amendment he would have been willing to compromise on with giving MORE of a break to the middle class, splitting it with the upper class and corporations. Who's moving to vote for Obama and Hillary and why? Middle class Americans of ALL parties, because they are not feeling the 'benefits' of the tax cuts…they have not trickled down sufficiently and his previous forecast above was DEAD ON RIGHT. Plus, the spending cost Reps in 06.
He didn't JUST decide for this election to join the global warming issue, he's on record with another leadership role example in 2003. AND, read it, it was a close vote with bipartisan support that would not have cost the citizens but about $20 per household and was projected to bring about jobs and stimulus to the economy, and would have saved us about $48 billion a year...wow, what a bad man.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=6140c5c3-aba7-46c5-ae8d-d7e23b7ea20c&Region_id=&Issue_id=
There is plenty at the site under Press Releases or Legislation for those who want to look for themselves as opposed to just getting the portion the media want them to have.
http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Home.Home
Feel free to offer my information on Romney, the only other real contender left. It just seems to me that middle class Rep. are leaving the party in droves because they didn't feel the tax relief..had McCain's Amendment with greater relief for them been passed...who knows what the state of the party and the economy would be in now...
Pati
Great Post, Pati....I'm going to look at the links; I think we ALL should. We just have to be together this year, we Republicans...it's the scariest election yet; a lot more than usual is riding on it, particularly with a Democrat congress at hand, and getting more Democrat in November, from what I'm hearing.
Well, Feb. 5th, besides being my B'day, is not November. I'm not holding my nose yet! I vote for Romney.
Hope springs eternal.
Pris
Well, maybe if no one did vote that is, real Republicans, consider this:
It would finally , maybe topple the idiots at the RNC.
It IS time they understood that their being loyal to some jerk who has been in DC 30 years or whatever is a plain act of back stabbing to the people they claim to represent.
But yes, it is the frustration.
Why bother voting, it has been decided,.
The actual vote in my state for me is May 13. Well, whoop dee doo,
that sure says I have a say in my picking a candidate, right?
WRONG.
These states need to get it to where we all vote say , within a month of each other or something, anything else is a Chinese Fire Drill.
wvdardottr
HEY, Dotter...if you mean 'don't vote in the national election' to teach the old blowhards at the RNC a lesson, the trouble is it's WE who are going to get taught...and this kind of 'teaching' we don't need! AS YOU KNOW!
I agree with you, I WOULD LOVE to teach those b******* a lesson, but we have lives to lead here in America and we don't need that America in the hands of a Dem pres being kowtowed to by a Dem Congress, you know!?
I wish we had the luxury to do something drastic to the RNC but it would backfire on us.
You have your primary May 13? You're right...the candidate will be known by then.
Something's just not right..this has to stop. OH, for the good ol' days.
I don't know that cutting off your nose to spite your face is the appropriate action. I think Rush and Hannity are wrong, and quite frankly, they are in the entertainment industry FIRST. They have had to play defense since their golden boy, not who I selected in the primaries, made it into office, and I think they would like to have some time playing offense. It is a ratings game for them as well, don't forget.
That said, the advice from Rush that perhaps if the Dems got into office, the Republicans would then solidify and return in the majority is not only foolish but it's dangerous:
we are at war; we are looking at a possible two seats coming vacant on the SC in the next 8 yrs; the Dems are not only talking about tax hikes that will hurt the economy, but also Universal Healthcare. Can anyone tell me of ONE bureaucracy ever born that is NOT still in existence? They don't die easy, if at all. Reagan was going to dismantle the Dept. of Education. You can see how successful he was.
Just because the guy is not the answer to all prayers is not a reason to not vote for him. Just because he is willing and able to reach across the aisle and to compromise is not a reason to call him a liberal. I recall a lot of conservatives impressed with Bush's claim that he was a uniter and not a divider...now all of a sudden a guy who is successful at it is called an 'uncle Tom'. That's the way I hear the rhetoric anyway.
Tell me WHY Romney is better, because you won't convince me that McCain is either bad or liberal. You have already lost that argument. : )
Come on...sell me. I don't hate Romney, I don't see him winning in a general. I think he comes across as a rich, son of a politician, who seems too comfortable to appreciate the folks he needs votes from won't elect him just because of his success. Tell me where I am wrong...
It has nothing to do with his capabilities, at this point it is all about electibility for me.
Pati
The fact is we're at war and the war won't wait until until the next election. I think the Islamists would make great gains unless we have a President who will stay on offense.
So, if McCain is our candidate, this is no time to hedge our bets, we must vote. The war has to be first priority.
Pris
Pris,
Well, Happy Birthday soon! And, I agree with your post. In the end, we are a country at war, and it is simply irresponsible, IMO, to not voice our opinion on who, of the choices, should lead us in that arena.
Well said, as usual. :)
Pati
well, just went and read about the Muslim summit Mr.Obama says he would convene should he make it to the American White house.
So..have to do what I have to do, vote for certainly the lesser of two or three evils.
wvdardottr
No, I was talking about in a primary or any sort of situation,because in my state the whole thing is long decided by May 13..feels useless to vote in the primary.
Surely, the delegates will be locked up.
On Feb5-in my state there will be this 'convention" thing...but the primary will be May 13..complete waste time here.
We all ought to have the super Tuesday on the same bloody Tuesday so it is mega super Tuesday..knock the whole thing down and cut all the campaigning and money back, the process is disgusting.
Who's birthday next Feb, 5? I have a grand niece who will be birthed next Tuesday, and I wonder what life will be like when she is my age...which is 50 , right now.
Never forget pundits, whatever they ilk are for entertainment or earning money for someone.
Decide for yourselves what you think most important.
Is it the threat of total destruction of the western world?
Look around you, get your priorities in order.
I remember so many saying Dole could not win, and refused to vote, so here came Bill.
wvdardottr
And yes, if my primary was the super Tuesday , I would vote for who ever was my favorite person.
That is the whole point isn't it?
You aren't hurting anything , Z, by voting your fav, next week.
If your fav is Romney, you vote for him, and if McCain wins, then so be it, you get behind him.
But like Clint Eastwood said to those recruits in Heartbreak Ridge Movie..this doesn't mean we'll be taking long hot showers together,ladies.
Exactly.
When George Bush was running in 2000 , I was very indifferent about who got it.
Then I heard a little something that made me go..oh yes, that is character..
We all know what happened at the election..the pure HELL of that night and ensuing weeks.
Then 9-11 happened...and everything has changed since then, so let us just do what we see is the right thing , and put the country first.
We have to HAVE an America to be able to save it later.
We must not throw it to the really craven lefties.
wvdardottr
I'm just sitting here with THE biggest S***-eating smile on my face to have my friends commenting here. WELCOME, ladies...I love you all. sincerely.
And you're all SO smart you simply humble me...blessing upon blessing.
Pati said:
"That said, the advice from Rush that perhaps if the Dems got into office, the Republicans would then solidify and return in the majority is not only foolish but it's dangerous:
we are at war; we are looking at a possible two seats coming vacant on the SC in the next 8 yrs;
Z: AMEN to that, Pati....That SCOTUS is SO important...and we are SO at war. I couldn't agree with you here more. We cannot cut our noses off to spite our faces, we MUST vote and we MUST elect a Republican.
Jean, you said: "We have to HAVE an America to be able to save it later.
We must not throw it to the really craven lefties."
Z: I keep telling people more interested in the economy or global warming than fighting terror, what's the point if we don't have a country? You are SO right, Jean.
Pris says "I think the Islamists would make great gains unless we have a President who will stay on offense."
I think the Islamists are just licking their chops for a lib in the WH....
WHY can't all of America hear you ladies? that's exactly what I think....our voices MUST be heard. thanks, ladies.
La Z,
Some place I read only recently that there just is something about Republican women that is this increible knack for grasping the finer points in politics and gosh, I don't know...theory?
Being an American and voting is not just a right, but it is priviledge.
As someone commented earlier, Reagan granted amnesty, and babies, he did. That is fact. Reagan did not do a lot of things he should have done, the purist aspects of adhering to Conservative principles.
Yet, we agree he was one giant of a president.
If God or the higer being in the universe made sure the right man was in the white house during 9-11, then I have to believe the right thing will happen regarding this year's election.
We have softened again, this president has shouldered a lot of the burden of the war on terrorism.
But as some just said here, the bad guys are licking their chops at the thought of a new president.
I just saw Rasmussen's poll and supposedly there is like 27% -McCain to 26% -Romney , nationally.
Might be true, might not.
Let us all just stop our threats and blowing off of steam.
Let us see what happens first on this coming Tuesday.
DO I think McCain the right man? No.
If he is the nominee will I vote for him?
Yes.
Could my opinion of him be wrong? Yes.
Who knows how much we are being jerked around by the pundits and other writers.
The so called ultra conservatives caused a lot of Bush's support to erode, let us not forget how easily they jumped him on judges and stem cells, and other things.
It is not easy ever to be a leader, you do the best you can and no way will everyone like everything you do.
If some how John McCain makes it , get the nod, and then some how wins the presidency, then of course I will support the man .
Hey, maybe he will scare the living daylights out of the Iranians.
I will not live forever, but America must go on.
wvdardottr
Here's something scary!
Did anybody notice that McCain seemed to repeat himself in the same sentence? I was at a meeting so I didn't see the debate, but Mr. Z did watch most of it and he said he was honestly worried. I said "but they all repeat so they're sure we get their point"...Mr. Z said "No, I mean in the same sentence...I was worried that he's losing it a little".
Now, I will admit Mr. Z is NOT a McCain fan, so he might be looking at this with a jaundiced eye, but TELL ME....did anybody get that impression? I'm curious. I hope not, by the way!!
Hey, Mrs. Z...
I noticed it as well, but have also seen others do it. It happens when there is a specific point they want to make and they think that their first few words etc have been 'talked over' by either another candidate or the emcees.
Example, I saw Romney in one debate, every time he tried to butt in with Huckabee, start his sentence with "Facts are stubborn things..." then he's interupted...and then, rather than continuing his thought, he back tracked with "Facts are stubborn things..." LOL He did it like three times. I was sitting there thinking, "Okay, Romney, we all caught your little quip, move forward with your thought..."LOL
I don't think McCain did fantastic in the debate. I think Romney came off much better, but I don't think Romney had a 'homerun' by any means, and I think that's what he needed.
I will support whomever will bring our party into WH. I'll worry about fighting the different issues as they arise. I just don't want higher taxes-our economy can't handle it; liberal justices on the SC--it'll be twenty more years of the same bad interpretations of the Constitution; dangerous foreign policies that put us all at risk while the libs try to suck up and 'regain' our credibility with our enemies; and since I have yet to see ONE Bureaucracy ever DIE...I don't want Univeral Healthcare to be set up because it will NEVER go away...: )
Pati
PATI, you make excellent points..WHOEVER we get is better than the Dems. We will have to suck it up, and Romney's no saint, I'm with you BUT I don't trust mcCain and I hope to hell he's not our choice.
Will I support him if he is? YOU BET. Holding my nose, as his own mother suggested!!
I'm new to your place, Z, and not trying to make waves but I'm one of those "sit it out" conservatives. I don't think abstaining from the vote is infantile and here's why:
In the same way that you are voting against Hillary instead of for McCain, I am voting against both candidates. When we conservatives say that the party has left us behind but then we vote for bad candidates simply because they have an (R) after their names, we send the message that we care more about the party than about the agenda. And frankly, I don't care about the party. I do care about the agenda. The Republican platform is wonderful but unless we have candidates and politicians who adhere to the platform, it is nothing more than a pipe dream on paper.
How is voting for one bad candidate better than voting for another bad candidate? And by the way, McCain won't appoint conservative judges, read his comments about Alito. As long as we give him our votes without making him bend to our agenda, he has no reason to show allegiance to our conservative cause. Either way, we lose, and I'd rather lose with my integrity that without it.
CATE: Welcome to geeZ... Your post has a lot of merit, much of which I have considered, I think most conservatives have. I hope so, anyway.
Cate, here's the rub; Versus Hillary or Obama, at least we'd have SOME modicum of conservatism in McCain. SOME? More than them? A CHANCE at a decent Supreme Court? More chance than with a Dem pres?
Must we teach the awful RNC a message NOW, when so much is at stake? With a Dem congress, too, we can't let Hillary or Obama take over.
I'd be with you 100% and wouldn't vote if what the Dems want wasn't taking us down a road we might not recover from, ever.
Thanks for your input...I'm sure I won't convince you of anything, but I sure do like to hear rational, smart people who disagree with me with civility. Thanks, Cate. Hope to see you again soon. By the way, I do not think your sitting this election out is 'infantile', and I do think you have integrity. I just hope you're right, I just don't see the RNC waking up for anything...do you? are you at all a Ron Paul supporter? The only Paul supporters I've posted/sparred with elsewhere can't do it with civility because I think they're so passionate, something I admire, but which doesn't let me understand their thinking, especially against the war in Iraq.
you can visit Cate here Z.
Thanks, Elbro..WHAT a great blog she has. This new kid on the block is IMPRESSED! thanks very much.
Well, I'm about a week old here, right? I still thank you for the help..always will.
You know, many have said McCain would be the easiest to beat, demonize and so on, but I tell you this:
kind of hard to do that with someone who is wrapped in righteousness of having lived for 5 horrible years as a prisoner of war.
Now, think on that.
Say what you like but how do you justify beating up on him as some might attempt to do and not have it backfire ??
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