Monday, November 12, 2012 much do YOU believe?

Is there anything you don't believe about the Petraeus incident? :-) 
Let's talk about the oddest situation:  how about the president didn't know the FBI was investigating Petraeus (Feinstein says it's highly unusual not to tell the pres).  How about the FBI didn't share it with her (Feinstein says that's very highly unusual, too).  How about that it's one week before he was to testify that SUDDENLY he's said to have had an affair?  Did the FBI not inform Feinstein or the President or did the FBI just find out this is the "official" story about Petraeus and they're being thrown under a bus with the CIA?   Hillary's off somewhere traveling so nobody can get close enough to ask HER, right?
Any thoughts?   
I wish Peter King was in charge of some of this stuff............

What do you think about this whole situation?  Everything kosher?



Pris said...

It sure smells fishy to me!

First, the President had no knowledge of the Benghazi terror attack, and now he knew nothing of the FBI investigation of Patraeus?

Please, someone tell me what the President does know except whatever excuse he needed to give every waking moment to his re-election?

I suspect that this episode is to discredit Patraeus, and to make sure he doesn't testify at the upcoming hearing.

I can't say it's unbelievable, because at this point, anything this administration does to avoid responsibility is very believable.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

The timing is actually irrelevant; the House/Senate can [and will] call him to testify regardless of him stepping down from D/CIA.

Brooke said...

Do I think Petraeus had an affair. Yep. Men in power usually don't keep their pants up. Just ask Clinton!

Do I think Obama had noooo idea? NOPE.

Do I think this timing is coincidental?


Sam Huntington said...

There is no escape from the human condition, if you’re human. I seem to recall that not long ago a female astronaut (Navy Captain) went bonkers and made headlines for about a week. This seems to be how long stories about salacious behavior last.

I suspect the FBI briefed a White House aide when the investigation uncovered Petraeus’ affair, he in turn gave a “heads up” to the President, who was advised to do or say nothing until after the election. This would make sense to me.

The truth of the matter is that even if Petraeus stepped down before the election, it wouldn’t have made a difference to the overall election results. As to Feinstein, she may occupy an important position on the Senate Intelligence Oversight Committee, but she isn’t the Queen of Sheba …

Silverfiddle said...

I think the political operatives knew all along and kept it in their back pocket. They tried to use it to suborn false testimony from Petraeus, but he told them to pound sand and decided to take his lumps rather than cover Hillary and the President's asses.

sue hanes said...

Z - I think there is much more to the story than we know. But then it is the CIA - and there is always more to that than we ever know.

I think he was right to resign - he has high standards for himself.

The whole thing is pretty sad.

JonBerg said...

"Is there anything you don't believe about the Petraeus incident?"

Well, so far, I haven't been given enough solid,[specific] information to believe or disbelieve. Do I think that this situation, in its totality, is fishy; ABSOUTELY!

Anonymous said...

I think Petraeus screwed up. No pun intended, I say that because the General is a smart man. If he decided to take the fall to protect someone else, surely he could have come up with a better story. I am angry that Obama accepted his resignation, The President should have told the General that he could not resign until the Banghazi investigation is complete. But, we all know that personal charactoer is not the president's long suit.

I am asking my readers today to visit the Spellchek blog and learn about an important detail to the Benghazi tragedy that is not being covered by any of the media. We need to know just how long our government has been planning to topple Gadaffi and why. It appears that the plannung may have started duting the Bush administration.

Anonymous said...

I don't believe any of the, I smell Obama all over it.

Z said...

CI, we do our homework here, watching all new venues, etc...who doesn't know he can be subpoena'd? that actually has little to do with my question because, as Feinstein carefully said, it'll only be if they feel he might have information. REALLY? But he's a guy who stuck to the VIDEO story :-) And, of course, it's behind closed doors; the whole hearing will be, which will allow the leftwing media to shine it on in general pardon the pun, no matter how compelling the info is.

Pris, I agree, but it SHOULD be 'unbelievable', shouldn't hear things like we are from this administration and not find them unbelievable is even more upsetting... Does Obama have any idea of ANYTHING but his agenda-items of screwing us? simply can't be normal that this was exposed when it was; the only thing that realy surprises me is Axelrod's timing, except he WAS stuck between an election and a hearing, so he hadn't much choice when to divulge all of this...and I do believe he and Jarrett are the puppetmasters...for whom, Idon't know. Maybe Karl Marx? :-)

SF...after Petraeus was so outraged by the 'burning of korans' and all, he lost me. But you could be right. I'd always thought he had integrity before his stand on that situation.

JB..VERY fishy

Conson Fire.. our gov't always has plans for toppling dictators and attacking countries ready; that's why it's so silly when the leftwing says "And they've been planning to attack for YEARS".. !!
They don't understand that we HAVE plans for EVERY country, particularly dictatorships who are in our face. Only this gov't , I believe, has stopped that, so we haven't been ready to react as wehave in the past;weakening us and making us now a laughing stock.

Darth; it just doesn't make sense, but with a media unwilling or unable to probe and report, we're a nation

Z said...

THAT is one funny article! It says msnbc is catching up to FOX in viewership but the link within the article contradicts that :-) Typical left.

THey say msnbc is catching up as a leftwing answer to FOX's rightwing; has any of you EVER EVER heard ANYTHING like what comes out of Matthews' mouth, or Maddow's, on ANY editorial show on FOX? We all know the news on FOX does not.
Does CNN EVER bill ANY of its leftwing shows as editorial or leftwing? Of course not. But let FOX honestly promote Hannity and O'Reilly and they're pillaged?

The fun of the media NEVER stops...the lying doesn't seem to, either, does it !:-)

Z said...

Impertinent; I don't have your email address went down with the mother board and I don't know yet what the computer wiz was able to put on a harddrive for me..not much, I think.
Could you email me? Thanks.

A question I think we'd all like to know the answer to is "how much press is the Alan West recount getting?"

hearing anything down there??

Catherine Moore-Barry said...

I think the discovery to investigation was plunked into the campaign war chest probably before the Benghazi event. They may of even had an idea about what was going on and how "it could be played" before Petareus took the FBI post. No risk of getting a pitbull like J. Edgar Hoover in the director spot when you start off with a choke hold on the Director, even if he doesn't know it. Sounds like a Chicago style appointment to me.

Anonymous said...

FOX may decline b/c they were too optimistic for the election. I know I am going to watch a lot less. Not only because I get tired of them, but also b/c I get my stuff from the web now. I feel like I'm wasting time watching TV at night.

Z said...

Catherine, good points; we're learning now this affair was a while ago...not recent. Fascinating.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

How about:

IF Petraeus testifies in re Benghazi and it reflects poorly on the president, it will be perceived as nothing more than some "get back" at Obama for him having ostensibly "fired" Petraeus?

As in: a lie.

Politically, to minimize Benghazi again, Obama's minions have played this nicely, ably aided and abetted by our DEM/MSM.


Catherine Moore-Barry said...

Couldn't agree more BZ. Welcome to Scam-Alot-2, the second term of the National Socialist-n-Chief!!! David "Josef Goebbels" Axelrod is pounding on his chest I'm sure.

Ducky's here said...

The resignation may be coincidence. After all, "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

It's suspicious because this was likely a CIA screwup. Doesn't have to be too deep cover to hide it from a ditz like Feinsteinn.

Divine Theatre said...

I'm with Silver on this one. I hope he DOES tell them to pound sand in a very big way.


Divine Theatre said...

What's worse is all the pathetic leftie sycophants who actually BELIEVE this detritus.


Ducky's here said...

A question I think we'd all like to know the answer to is "how much press is the Alan West recount getting?"
There is no recount. Under Florida law there can be no recount.

He has to file suit which he'll probably do but he's gone.

Joe said...

"...the president didn't know the FBI was investigating Petraeus"?

That is either a lie or further evidence of his incompetence.

It might even be criminal.

But it does not matter one whit to anybody in government, including the conservatives.

They will flail their arms and bellyache to no avail because they have neither scruples nor backbones.

Z said...

Joe, what we all need to know is that there is much criminality going on and we can do NOTHING about it.
The myriad accounts of fraud are awful and any curious media would be on them.
The Benghazi secrets are like chicken feed to this Axelrod/Jarrett govt

Ducky, another good man.
But, yes, they are definitely involved in some kind of recount in FLA. FOX shows it; with might want to get more complete information.

Always On Watch said...

If this were merely a sexcapade, couldn't the CIA have covered it up?

I can't yet venture a guess as to what's really going on. Maybe it's a case of Fatal Attraction with Broadwell as the woman scorned and therefore suspicious of the bombshell Jill Kelley.

Maybe not.

Were it not for the Benghazi debacle, I'm reasonably certain that we'd be hearing nothing at all about this sexcapade. Certainly, the CIA has the capacity to cover up a lot!

Information or disinformation -- that is the question.

Always On Watch said...


FreeThinke said...

It's a transparently ill-timed attempt to DISTRACT the nation from the GENUINE concerns and DIVERT attention away from OBAMA'S culpability in the Benghazi Fiasco and oh so many other thing.

Another "Wag the Dog" ploy of no real consequence whatsoever.

Read ore about it at:

Z said...

AOW, I heard Michael Medved mention that a while ago; very interesting, isn't it.

Also, a guy called in and reminded us that the Marine hymn " the shores of Tripoli." was all about this, only years ago, in 1805!!..the barbary wars.. We tried to pay them off to leave us ALONE and it didn't work! It still isn't...but they had no lefties screaming we aren't worth paying people off to leave us alone and then arguing with us when they don't leave us alone but attack us instead. man.

FT, I think it could be WAG THE DOG to give the obama thugs enough time to figure out how they're going to lie about this in the hearings. Obviously, they don't have to lie in the media because nobody asks.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - "But, yes, they are definitely involved in some kind of recount in FLA. FOX shows it; with might want to get more complete information."

They were counting absentee ballots, not a recount of the overall vote total.

As for Petraeus, I have disagreements with some of his strategic policies in the past, but do not know him to have ever dishonored his service to the nation. I'll wait until further evidence comes out, but am not inclined to doubt the fact-as-we-know-them.

Z said...

From a friend in might be from the newspaper and he quoted, I don't know:

"Late last night Congressman West maintained a district-wide lead of nearly 2000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections “recounted” thousands of early ballots. Following that “recount” Congressman West trailed by 2,400 votes. In addition, there were numerous other disturbing irregularities reported at polls across St. Lucie County including the doors to polling places being locked when the polls closed, in direct violation of Florida law, thereby preventing the public from witnessing the procedures used to tabulate results. The St. Lucie County Supervisor of Electionsoffice clearly ignored proper rules and procedures, and the scene at the Supervisor’s office last night could only be described as complete chaos. Given the hostility and demonstrated incompetence of the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections, we believe it is critical that a full hand recount of the ballots take place in St. Lucie County. We will continue to fight to ensure every vote is counted properly and fairly, and accordingly will pursue all legal means necessary.”

If a race is decided by 0.5 points or fewer, it automatically triggers a recount. But the final spread fell just outside that margin."

Ft St Lucie had 141% of the vote....that doesn't make ANYBODY wonder?

As for Petraeus, he lost me when he went to work for Obama and his words regarding the burning of korans. Highly exaggerated, highly creepy.

CI, do you go to leftwing blogs and defend Romney or just defend Obama as much as you can, as a Libertarian on rightwing blogs? I've never understood that in you.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - I defend neither Obama nor Romney. I do however defend the facts. Are you adverse to those? Do you only defend your preconceived notions...or do you ever challenge them?

I asked you on a previous post for you to submit a singular example of where I was a "cheerleader for Obama". Apparently you decline to source your assertion.

BTW, I would suggest looking into cards cast v. votes cast in the West/Murphy vote count.

Z said...

CI, that's quite a comment.
No, I am not averse to facts, but everyone here is looking for the truth .... you don't seem like you're just looking to set things straight; that's always appreciated and I think if you've read my blog long enough you know that. There's something I intuit in your comments over these months that makes me uncomfortable with the motivation. I could be intuition usually isn't.

You seem very bitter and even gleeful to set conservatives straight, as if we're all just lying to make our case, which is utterly ridiculous and demeaning.

The quote was about early ballots in Florida.

Anonymous said...


"it wouldn’t have made a difference to the overall election results.

Bingo...even if it was discovered that he tried out the new...DADT regs!

We should all be relieved it was a "woman" that he trysted with...yes?

Anonymous said...


I answered your email. However for public consumption...especially the smarmy cretins... we know who they are... and their smart arse response....against an honest black man...(funny how the demrat scum love blacks when they vote the plantation line, isn't it? )

141% of the voters in St. Lucie County voted on the 6th. Approximately 25,000 more voters than they have registered. At the end of the first count West led by 2400 votes or so....until they "discovered" uncounted ballots. Oh...and they locked the polling places doors for the ballot counts which is against the law ...denying the public to watch the counts.

Martin County adjoining St. Lucie voted overwhelmingly for West.

Florida sucks...Florida Demrats are corrupt and a look at the face of that shrew DWS tells one all you need to know.

Then again the toothless inbreds voted Alan Grayson in again....a true POS, corrupt ambulance chaser, liar and cockroach.

Ducky's here said...

But, yes, they are definitely involved in some kind of recount in FLA. FOX shows it; with might want to get more complete information.

Sorry z, the vote total was not close enough for a recall under Florida law.

Murphy has been certified.

Now the question is whether or not the RNC wants the disruption and expense of a court challenge. My guess is no but West might try to go it alone.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - I certainly don't see where I've been gleeful. I make no bones about the differentiation between Republicans and Conservatives, but I haven't expressed glee over any part of the past election. Much like I don't 'cheerlead' for Obama. Of the three political offices I was able to cast a ballot for last week, two went to GOP candidates.

I apologize if you believe that I have any intent to disrespect your house, but I do hold the GOP to stringent accountability, after many years of being let down by their actions.

Anonymous said...

The fact is...if it were an honest election from the would they find several hundred votes for West? How could they miss any votes at all?

Why would they nor count all....32,000 early ballots if they wanted transparency?

How is it that a recount in light of the obvious corruption and illegal activities in that county, isn't warranted?

I'm all for West doing the same thing that shit bag Frankel did not too long ago.

Anonymous said...

To have fair and non partisan elections...this must happen:

"The first problem is that we let openly partisan state and local officials run elections.

Political players, in other words, make the rules and referee the game. A state's chief election official might even be the campaign chair for a candidate in an election she administers. Every other democracy in the world has found some way to avoid this.

Partisan election administration may be the most deeply entrenched problem -- and the hardest to change. Anyone who is now a statewide supervisor of elections was either elected or appointed by someone who was elected."

Anonymous said...

"Third, even with the best rules and technology, poorly trained volunteer poll workers are often not up to the task.

They do yeoman's work for our democracy and their service is largely thankless.

But every election year, within hours of polls opening, Internet message boards fill up with tales of workers wrongfully enforcing (or failing to enforce) the law, floundering with technology, or fitfully attempting to navigate the most basic aspects of verifying voter identity and handing out ballots."

Anonymous said...


Awhile ago you asked..."who are the real racists"?

It's been tabulated that the One got 97 to 99% of the black vote in Philadelphia...not a one for Romney?

Z said...

Ducky, PLEASE pay attention...they've been counting votes again there since election night.
As a matter of fact, suddenly a 4000 lead for West disappeared at 1 am the next morning...amazing stuff. Yes, they've been counting.

Imp...imagine that all the states with voter ID went for Romney? Gee, THAT couldn't prove fraud, right? :-)

and no, it's probably impossible for 99% of ANY precinct to vote for the same guy no matter HOW black it's nuts. and more proof.

very sad times

Z said...

And Imp...I think we've all been finally dispelled of the REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST idiocy when 87% of all blacks voted for the black man. The sad thing, however, is they probably voted "gimmes"...

And of course, the same people who voted Obama IN are the folks who said Republicans are racist when they could see how much we're for West and JC Watt and liked Caine and so many black Republicans...
figures, huh? Same mind/ or lack thereof!!

Anonymous said...


"The sad thing, however, is they probably voted "gimmes"..."

Once a country of proud, hard workers...once a country of family values...once a party of our parents and grandparents...the dem party has morphed into a sleazy, bloody gauzy ragged group of parasites, imbeciles, illiterates, OWS'rs,, illegals, socilaists, communists ( now calling themselves 'progressives" ) welfare frauds / cheats ...and now 5 generations of handout professionals, voter frauds, bums, Islamists, domestic terrorists, druggies and low lifes in general.

And true to their sorid past.....once more the party of racists.

Load up.....we're living in TWO very separate countries now.

Once the parasite consume the'll come to a head.

Anonymous said...

Carol CS Posted about an article saying that Benghaziwas an Al Qaeda Prison Break

Z said...

Anonymous; I'd heard something about that. But, it really doesn't matter because Axelrod and Jarrett are contriving a story that will numb most minds so the truth can't come out...What the Obama White House tries to hide stays hidden; when you have a media on your side THIS BIG, you can do ANYTHING.

JonBerg said...

"Load up.....we're living in TWO very separate countries now."

I never thought that it would come to this but it is now beginning to seethe! Oh Hell, here come the Black Helicopters!!!

Right Wing Theocrat said...

It may be a cover up, but stop and think for a minute, who gives a damn?

No seriously, your ambassador was dragged through the streets, those who give their lives for your country were left to die in some islamist dung pile.

The president didn't give a rats ass, the voters who put him back into power just proved they don't give a rats ass either.

You can have all the inquiries and whatever else, it won't make any difference, those who should pay will escape and the troops who bravely put their lives on the lines will be chucked into the wind and betrayed by the same bastards again when the time comes.

Z said...

RWT; I am in total agreement; we had hearings on Fast and Furious and Holder's Dept of Justice got him off...etc etc.
We lost an AMBASSADOR and who cares? Only Republicans, apparently.

Hearings are NONSENSE because our media only cares if it's a Republican they can put in bad light....

Ducky's here said...

Glen Greenwald on the matter

Great article which focuses on the shenanigans going on at the FBI.

Good to see that J. Edgar is back but some of us have seen the return of a police state for some time.
Much more important than the Benghazi non story.

Anonymous said...

I've just been writing here just a short time, but I sense after reading for several weeks that Constitutional Insurgent is puffed up with an exaggerated sense of self-importance, and takes pride in being a nuisance. It's a way he has of preening his feathers and making himself feel he's above the rest of us.

Helen Highwater

Ducky's here said...
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Ducky's here said...

Please, Helen.

Constitutional Insurgent is a rare beast. A balanced, informed conservative. He should be valued not castigated.

Anonymous said...

From Z of Geeez:

Ducky, Helen's right.
I SO wish the attitude was better; we could have better discussions....nobody needs to be around someone eager to pounce on the slightest thing he disagrees if he knows better and we're not informed. Ridiculous.

The Dem party would be better if they had a large tent, like the Reps...there doesn't seem to be much give/take there; they all march to the same drums.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

"we could have better discussions"

But is that really what you're after? I'm nothing but civil, yet see no admonishment towards those commenters who traffic in the lowest common denominators of discourse....because they toe the party line. Often with either unproven or provably false talking points. If that is how you want Conservatism represented, then 2012 might not be an anomaly.

Your house, your rules. I haven't brought mud on my shoes; but likewise, you have made one accusation that I asked you to provide some sort of foundation for. And you declined.

I challenge my preconceived notions by looking to fact as opposed to ideology. That this approach is taken as 'self importance' says quite a bit about the accuser.

Right Truth said...

The administration does not want Petraeus to testify on Benghazi.

Shameful though, these older men and the younger women.

Right Truth

beamish said...

Ft St Lucie had 141% of the vote....that doesn't make ANYBODY wonder?

Not me, but I excel at reading.

The number of "cards counted" was 141% of voter turnout. Each "card" was a single page of a two-page ballot. 200% would have been each voter getting both pages of their balot counted.

The actual voter turnout in St. Lucie was something like 70%.

Read this and see for yourself. Scroll down to near the end. "Votes counted" is the number you're looking for.

beamish said...

I challenge my preconceived notions by looking to fact as opposed to ideology. That this approach is taken as 'self importance' says quite a bit about the accuser.

Don't sweat it, CI. I get much the same treatment here, but I admittedly take to task leftists who absurdly claim they are "conservative."