'You Ain't Gonna Like Losing' author unknown
President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq .
Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.
Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.
And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter, the people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war. Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort. Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.
You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough, in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.
And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance and with prayers for our country and our troops! Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.
There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.
No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve. It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorrah and the Land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.
We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam . It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits. So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing. America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.
14 comments:
Hear, hear!
This is an unfortunate truth, my parents were older, so I was the child of WWII, even though I was a baby boomer.
The degeneration of this society and country will be the death knell of this great experiment, called America.
I love this country and I grieve over what she has become, her skirts are soiled from the sewer she wades through, her leadership is a disgrace and a laughingstock, her educational systems are designed to dumb down our native intelligence, and her entertainment monoliths are designed to degrade our minds and spirits, and used to destroy our ability to bond as husbands and wives, parents and children, elder and younger...there is little respect or true love, self respect or dignity left...I am ashamed of my country...
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
But I will retain my dignity, and have taught my children to retain their's!
Excellent post. I completely agree. My biggest disappointment on how war has been waged is the lack of a message from the White House to rally Americans behind the effort - like in WWII, Americans were expected to help, whether it was rationing or rolling up their sleeves to do other helpful things for the country.
I try to convey the disgrace of the dialogue in this country against the President, at a time of war, to my son who is about to graduate from High School. It is difficult for him to understand my disgust, though. He didn't grew up in the same country I did. Being born in the 50's is completely different than in 1989, as he was.
I did a journal post awhile back with the exact same sentiment...only I was talking about just HOW and WHEN our credibility both as an ally and as an enemy came to be in such shambles...it was NOT during this one presidency, but a slow process of repeated unfulfilled promises of support and attacks that went unaddressed...YEARS of those types of incidents...
And yes, our ADHD, me, me, me, microwave society of 'instant' gratification is nowhere NEAR the culture or the mindset or character set that existed in this country during WWII...nowhere NEAR.
GREAT POST!
Pati
Hi All,
tmw, karen and Pati, all raise salient points which highlight the political and cultural environment which exists in America today.
I would add that the left in our country has much more influence today in these areas than it did during WWII, and this includes today's media.
I was six years old at the end of WWII, and I can say, I remember a surprising amount between the ages of about three and six years old, concerning the atmosphere and how it felt as a child at that time.
Every night family would gather around the radio to listen to news of the war, and FDR's fireside chats. I remember the grim expressions on adult faces.
Patriotic songs were among the first I learned. I knew all the songs which represented every branch of our military.
Mail was delivered twice a day, and delivered on Sunday as well. Because my uncle was overseas and in the Air Corps, my grandmother would run to the mailbox every day.
We came from New York to California in 1943 when I was four. My father who was older did not serve in the military, but obtained a job in San Diego teaching hydraulics in a defense plant.
He was a flyer, and his experience flying a small plane and his knowledge of mechanics gave him the experience necessary for this job. We lived in a converted barracks, and I do remember that place. There were sailors everywhere one looked in San Diego.
We had driven across the country bringing my mother's family with us. Rationing stamps for gas had been saved up for us by extended family members who stayed back east.
Tires were at a premium and Dad would stop in different towns at local dumps to find used tires which was were not as bald as the ones on our car.
My mother having a difficult second pregnancy had to come to LA, (from San Diego) with me and we lived with my grandparents and aunts, in a large home with everyone who had all found work, pooling their money. My Dad would take a train from San Diego to LA, and commute when possible to see us.
Gas, butter, sugar, silk,(no stockings girls) were all rationed or unavailable and substitites like oleo and saccharin were used. My uncle sent cigarrettes to my Mom which he bought at a PX.
I can say, I never heard complaints. Everyone pitched in and worked together, all the while trying to make life for me as unscary as they could. We had practice air raids, and blackouts with searchlights.
The theaters were the only place where the newsreels were the only source of war pictures were available, and were shown. I remember the film of the American flag waving in the wind as everyone in the theater stood with their hands over their hearts.
At school, I bought war stamps every week to fill a small book which when filled was enough to buy a war bond. I still have a half-filled book.
On the rare occasion my Mom was able to buy a hershey bar, I would get one small square a day, until it was gone. She would recite this little rhyme, "open your mouth and close your eyes and I'll give you something to make you wise", and she would place that small piece of chocolate in my mouth, and I would savor it.
I could go on, but I've taken too much space already. Suffice it to say, all of that is what makes me who I am. I always felt safe because my family created that haven of security and love, and allowed me to be a child. I did grow up with a great love for my country.
While they worried and did what they had to do for themselves and their country, they, as other families, had faith, and trust in our leaders and they carried on.
And, on a lighter note, no child today, enjoys a square of chocolate like I did.
Pris
Zin;
The head of the monstre is in IRAN and not IRAQ;
In IRAQ, there is the babies of the monstre.
Before that US attacks IRAQ, this Islamist Monstre was not so HUGE, The Monstre of Islamist wanted always to swallow IRAQ, But the REGIM in IRAQ for his own sake was resisting with all it's forces against the Monstre.
But, USA removed the locks of IRAQ and let the Monstre to enter and to make the babies.
Now in IRAQ, you have the babies of that monstre.
Your Politics and Administration not only don't want to Remove the Monstre, but even stops the Iranian people to kill the MONSTRE.
Now, Democrat or Republican, both, have done the same with the monstre, the first one goes to bed with the Monstre of Islamism, and the second feeds the Monstre.
look at the following article please;
SAM
Iran: Khamenei rules out halt to nuclear drive
Sunday, 04 May 2008
NCRI - Ali Khamenei, mullahs’ supreme leader in a speech on Sunday vowed that Iranian regime would press ahead with its nuclear program, two days after major powers said they had prepared a new offer to convince Tehran's regime to halt its nuclear activities.
“We will continue on our own path with strength” and “no threats would deter” us to “back down”, the sate-run radio quoted Khamenei as saying on a visit to the southern Fars province.
Khamenei's remarks came after the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council -- the United States, France, Britain, China and Russia -- and Germany agreed on Friday to offer a new package of incentives to the Iranian mullahs in return for ceasing uranium enrichment activities, a major component of building a nuclear bomb.
The UN Security Council has adopted three resolution imposing sanctions on the ruling mullahs in Iran for continuation of uranium enrichment activities. Iranian regime so far has defied the UN Security Council resolutions.
Although Khamenei made no reference to the new package, his comments are the latest sign from Iranian regime that it has no intention of stopping its drive to obtain nuclear weapons.
On February 24, quoting Ahamadinejad’s remarks, the state-run news agency IRNA said, “The nuclear crisis in its new form began in the beginning of the summer of 2002, when the Monafeqin [the term used by the Iranian regime to describe the People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI/MEK)], published a report on Natanz and Arak nuclear sites. The International Atomic Energy Agency got involved… and resolutions were adopted one after the other.”
Priscilla, thanks so much for sharing that...That line about a square of chocolate says so much, doesn't it.
Thanks to you all for your input...it's wonderful but I SO WISH one person would tell me this article is SO wrong. Even Karen, a great American patriot, has a high school aged son who doesn't quite get the disgust at people who slam a president. This isn't the son's fault, this is because our liberal teachers have been lucky enough to be ignored for so many years while mommies have gone back to work and really don't have time to check on what their children are being taught.
(except for Priscilla who was a STAR against her liberal school faculty when HER kids were being raised and I hope I can get her to write about it some day soon..honestly! A STAR!)
A family friend recently went to her principal and asked why the Christmas break is now called Winter break and why it's starting after Christmas rather than before.. she tried to tell him how families need time to plan for the holiday and even travel to relatives, etc...he told her he agreed but the School Board has deemed it necessary to help the teachers get cheaper ski holidays after Christmas. They had quite a talk and he finally said "You know, Mrs. Day? It's people like you who don't volunteer to sit on the Boards but should....it's my experience that ONLY very liberal parents are in there battling for what they want for their kids and they're getting it. For YOUR kids, too" She is now homeschooling her daughter.
THIS is a huge problem, this liberal volunteering, conservative ruminating, and it's why we're losing America. All us good patriots are typing our indignation fingers off and very little else, while the Left is in our school boards, our city governments, our mayors, senators, etc etc..... THEY are winning.
No, TMW, there is very little dignity left; look how kids LOOK!! I heard a talk on how our little girls are having sex early because it's the only way they can answer that primal feeling they have of being female when everybody's into jeans and Tshirts. They can't express themselves with cooking or art classes, they can't express themselves through lovely female clothing, etc etc, because it's not respected, it's not honored! And, when they DO wear something feminine, the front's cut to the navel and no bras. My sis's daughter was showing friends a skirt and said she needed a slip for it and NONE of her girlfriends knew what a slip WAS! True story! They're 20.
I wonder, sometimes, what young teens think when they see old black/white films like Pride and Prejudiced, where the men protected the women from bad language, from coarseness of any kind; the ladies were ladies and dressed like it, and were fulfilled in their mothering or needlework, or running a home....Teen aged girls must think those women are repressed! I'm hearing how frequent and 'easy' oral sex is and one has to wonder if THIS is yet another way a girl can feel like a woman. WHAT IS WITH US??? And WHAT a message that gives 15 yr old boys! They just have to unzip! NOTHING ELSE! Imagine when you were 14, having oral sex with a guy? OH, my GOSH!!
watching those old films, our girls wouldn't even understand the beauty of living like a real woman with dignity..
There IS a differenc between men and women (newsflash!), and until we go back to that, our little girls will be having sex in order to feel the difference, to feel like a girl. Obviously, I'm generalizing here, but I really think there is a point to that. You're walking with your boyfriend...both have tongue rings, both have dirty Tshirts on and cut offs, bare feet or thongs, same length hair....
It just hit me why girls sometimes where SO much heavier makeup than we've worn in a few years....FEMININE! They STILL SOMEHOW, in their deepest primal being, know they're NOT A BOY. Wonder of wonders.
of course, the boys are wearing makeup, too, but...that's another story !(smile)
Well call me silly, but here, we say the pledge of allegience to the flag, and we sing patriotic songs.
We believe in serving the country by joining the military.
Here in fly over country, we make it mandantory that the history of America and culture is actually taught in school.
All is not lost.
And I do think Pres. Bush knows what people are like these days, he said right after 9-11, that in time, many would forget about what had happened.
But the world has changed a lot since WWII, and it did not happen in one or ten years, so it will take a lot to get it on track.
But let me also say, we had disenters then in WWI and WWII. but we used to put them in jail.
I was born in the fifties , and I still believe in America .
WVDottr
Well, the fact remains that it's not really all that necessary to fling masses of unarmored soldiers at machine gun nests with the intention that the first survivor of this tactic toss a grenade and take out the machine gun nest. We've updated our playbook and technological arsenal since the last time Democrats had a foreign policy focus (even though that focus took the form of a threat of a world without the Soviet Union...)
I'd argue that our government gives quite a bit more care about the lives and safety of our armed forces today than in World War 2.
Wonderfully put, Z! The lack of unity, within this country, is another contributing factor, these days.
And it's too easy to sit here on the other side of the world, in our comfy homes, living in relative peace. We were really only galvanized into action when our shores were threatened.. i.e. Pearl Harbour. We have always been reluctant to get involved. When the Nazis started their genocidal trek across Europe, initially FDR, the state department and most of the top Jews of our country were unwilling to get involved. They refused to allow Jewish refugees to come to this country. In fact, at one point, they refused visas for 20,000 Jewish children. FDR's cousin Laura Delano Houghteling was a rabid anti-semite as were many in the State Department. we stood by for way too long, and why? Because most people in this country, back then, feared an influx of immigrants and particularly Jews.
I have homeschooled my 2 from preschool. In youth group, my son could point out the public school attendees without asking, all he had to do was hold a door open...
the public school girls would ask him if he thought they had a broken arm, the homeschoolers smiled and said, "Thank you!"
Courtesy and respect have been devalued, self-esteem based on smoke and mirrors is the rage.
2 years ago I went to the grocery next door to the local high school, there were 2 groups of kids(I won't say teens because they were acting like goats)anyway, there was the skinnier than normal group of girls with "attendants"and the "chubby" group with their "attendants", I marveled that both groups of girls were wearing the same styles AND THE SAME SIZES!
The fat girls were close to busting out of their clothes, and it was all, bare midrifts, piercings and excessive makeup. I won't go into the language and conversations...we have a lost generation on our hands.
Good morning, G*D bless and Maranatha!
tmw
And I forgot to point out, at the homeschool coop we were using, ALL the girls were of a normal weight for their height...no extremes!
tmw
SAM...maybe people are not finding the new MeK so questionable, but it's the one from the 1970's that I see people question at FPM, etc.
How can you PROVE that your group does want democracy after throwing out the mullahs? How can you prove that the group is pro West and not going to finally kick the mullahs out and then become another big problem of threats to us?
i do not believe YOU are threatening, or anti West at ALL, but some of the posts at FPM make sense ... Your group must issue a paper or something outlining what you would do were you to be successful in Iran today. Does that make sense?
beamish, there are a lot of people who'd argue with you about our gov't and our soldiers, but I think you're right. I only wish sometimes they'd allow our soldiers use those technologies better, taken the gloves off and finished it while they could. Do you? Many feel they dragged on it, portracting the miseries for fear of ticking the Left off by acting more vigorously?
Incognito, that history, thankfully, is over, particularly against the Jews. I do know the story of FDR and some boatloads of refugees he turned down?
It seems to me America is always there when others have problems, or has been in the last thirty years...tsunami, AIDS in Africa, etc etc. I think our not doing those things anymore in the strength we have done them might show the world how much we HAD done. But, it's not in us to ignore real trouble. Still, we never get a shred of respect, even from our own left, all Bush has done in Africa's largely ignored. Even when rock star celebs taut him, our media glosses over it. amazing.
TMW, I think we have a lost generation, too, and I think the Soviet Union and Iran, in their own separate ways, has been counting on us to do that....watching as marxist political correctness stepped in. YOu know my saying "we thought we won the Cold War and we did get them to put their nukes down, but they sent in the experts into our schools.........." now look.
I don't see that changing..Some people think there is some spark of pro Americanism even in charcoal eyed, stringy haired, holey-jeaned, tattooed, empty-eyed, bulging midriff kids you described. I don't. (I'm hoping that group you described just got on a plane from FLA to LA because I saw them here, too.........except it's thousands of them!! Well, I could dream it was only one group!!)?
Zin;
All your points and exclamations make sense, and it's the right of all to doubt until the dark points are all answered.
How we can prove that we will not do the same as the Mullahs?
My answer is, listen your president BUSH CAREFULLY, he says all, in all his speaches, there is a deep international political lesson, WHY, I don't advice you to read Maryam Rajavi's speach and white papers?, I know that you have decoded her and you like her,
But, you asked me to answer the Questions of ALL the people, and even those who don't know our Resistance or who don't like us.
So, Returning to President BUSH's lesson,
In all his speachs about IRAN and the Mullahs Governing IRAN, he says, STOP URANIUM ENRICHMENT, WE DON4T TRUST YOU(the Mullahs), and just after he answers the reporters by saying that, our PROBLEM is not the Nuclear profilation!!!
So, what dose it mean, the same day, with less than half a day he changes his speech and politics??!!!
NO, absolutly not, not only he don't modify his speech and politics, he even rainforce it, contrary to the democrats.
What he says President BUSH?
He says that we do not trust a DICTATORSHIP of the Mullahs who are not elected by the people.
He says that, you the Iranians, you can have the Nuclear Technology, if and even if, the democratic elected Iranian Majlis(Parliament) accepts and vots and admets his responsability.
You know that the Atomic BOMB is the most sensitive and Fragil part of the USA's ME Politics, even for that very sensitive point, If a free people decide to have it, USA has no objection.
in another speech, BUSH said, Democracy in ME will bring the security to the USA, the Democratic countries do not produce the JIHADISTS, he added.
Well, Zin;
NCIR(National Council of the Iranian Resistance), has 540 members, this is like our Parliament in EXIL, and MeK is one of the Members of this Council,
The members of this council are the Political parties, ethnic Groups, Religious minorities, Trade unions, Militaries, Students, Professors, Research people, Artists including, the poets, scenarists, painters, sculptors, musicians, opera singers, authors, compositors, businessmen, Women Associations, BAZAR represetations ,,,, & etc.
All the social and economic and political layers are represented,
AROUND a minimum and COMMON program.
Adding that, half of the Members are the women,
the head and highligthed points of our program is;
1 - Withdrow the Islamist regim on it's all.
2 - 6 months after the regim's dead, organizing the Free elections for a new constituition under the supervision of the International community
3 - And Resignation of the NCIR and the president Maryam Rajavi.
4 - Election of the new parliament, and a new government bassed on the new constituition.
the principal points of the proposed constituition are;
a - Separation of the Church and state.
b - Equality of the sex.
c - A secullar and democratic Government.
d- freedom of opinion, speech, occupation study, life, for the women and the men.
e- Autonomy for the KURDS.
Freedom of practice and Cult for all the believes.
f - Mariage age for the girls never lower than 18 years.
g - Aboulishing the forced mariages for the girls.
h - Abolishing the Polygamie.
Scholarizing is OBIGATORY for all the Childrens till their 18 years.
i - Destroying all the current regim's aspects, Passdaran, Quds, Hezbollah, Jihadists, Nuclear facilities(Civil or Military), Islamic courts, Islamic Associations, Theological Islamic Schools, all the Islamic Institutions(Economic, social, military, political, diplomatic, and international relationships).
j - Stablishing the Diplomatic Relationship with all the countries bassed on the Mutual respect and interest, and no interference in their political affaires.
Well; Zin; you can go to the NCR site and see the volums of the Books and the Laws that we have voted in our council, and We have elected Maryam to Preside us till the Victory.
Trust your President; a democratic people do not produce the terrorists, and will have no danger to the others.
BTW, here is one of our sites
http://ncr-iran.org/
SAM
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