Wednesday, August 21, 2013


I'm hearing how the amounts of records the NSA has been getting has been waaaay over the amount they're supposed to, or that they've admitted previously that they have......they call it "mistakes".

The Fast and Furious situation involved "mistakes"

The IRS situation is said, by some, to have been "mistakes"

The Benghazi deaths might, indeed, have been caused by "mistakes".

When do "mistakes" matter?  When do hearings actually happen which can figure out, first, if each case really was just a 'mistake'........ and/or figure out how to avoid future mistakes; or maybe even  punish some who behaved so badly that government-sized, liberty-threatening "mistakes" were made. 

How do you view these incidents and the fact that all they're referred to as "mistakes" these days in this administration and our media?  
I don't remember this word being used as much in previous administrations.  It's such a benign word, so easily used as a cover to something really horrid.  I wonder about the fact that things are referred to as "mistakes" and life goes on.  I remember when Obama misspoke several times during his elections and even during his tenure now;  when there was an outcry to his words, he'd say he'd been "inartful."    They were usually pretty awful things and I thought that was odd then, and odd particularly  because it seemed to be an automatic pass for him; but now we're up to using the term "mistakes." 

When mistakes are made at my office, like a kid's transcripts might not make it to the intended college, that's serious and needs to be addressed.  And it is.  How can truly monumental "mistakes" be made on the national level and it gets glossed over by a press secretary (and the leftwinger media) and that's that?  

Doesn't anybody CARE?



voodookobra said...

Obama made a BIG mistake in the Zimmerman -Martin case. As a politician, let alone the POTUS, he should not put his 2 cents into any case. His administration looks even dumber for saying they are looking into this case to possibly file federal civil rights charges. The FBI has already interviewed dozens of people that know Zimmerman and they couldn't find a hint of past racism. They just won't admit it b/c they don't want to tell the NAACP they are race baiting morons. And I agree with Moder8. The idea that the president should weigh in on investigations is wrong.

A. The President should not comment on ongoing investigations
B. The President should not get involved in state criminal matters
C. The President used his popularity to increase support for Martin
D. The President added to the racial aspect of a story that wasn't about race.
Shall I go on? I can, but if I do, this post may get deleted... So I better stop here..

Spidey said...

You ask, Does anybody care?
Yes, I care!
More proof that America is more racist since Obama became president...People are showing their true colors now. Just look at what Oprah has been up tp lately, and look at her latest movie “The Butler” what a disgusting disgrace that piece of filth is. And what the Directed said in Typical/predictable Liberal Fashion, about the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case! “I think that people are angry that he's president, and I think that they're showing their true colors. "Any black man could be killed by any white man and get away with it,"

The Top Cat's Opinion said...

I am saddened by what followed after the verdict in the murder of Trayvon Martin, was give,
Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow the hooded Trayvon; he did anyway. Not a crime but a bad choice indeed. Zimmerman had a gun and Trayvon did not. Zimmerman says it was self defense because this 17-year-old kid was beating the crap out of him. Trayvon has not spoken from the grave to say otherwise. Trayvon is dead because Zimmerman was not guilty, period.

The Not Guilty verdict is the result of a trial where a incompetent prosecutor who over-charged Zimmerman, but the verdict is not racially motivated as many now claim.
Zimmerman was NOT guilty of murder and should nave never been charged with murder.

And for NBC deliberately and maliciously editing the 911 recording adding to the already shoddy police work, it likely would have never been about race. Zimmerman, perhaps over zealous, was doing his job as a neighborhood watchman based on the 911 recording. Shame on the usual race baiters. The media, Al Sharpton and the whole lot of them be shamed.
Trayvon, a 6'2" 175 pound black man could have JOGGED and outrun chubby, short George Zimmerman, but he chose to double back, hide in the bushes and attack him instead.

• Trayvon didn't NEED to sucker punch Zimmerman and break his nose saying "You're gonna die tonight mother***er!".

• Trayvon also didn't NEED to then get on top of Zimmerman pummeling him with punches and slamming his head into the concrete while Zimmerman screamed for help that wasn't coming.

• If it were me on the ground, I would have shot him too! If you're honest, so would you.

• No, Trayvon didn't NEED to die that night. But he brought it on himself with foolish thug bravado and attacking an armed man.
What was racial was how black leaders, including the president and his cronie or should I say phoney “black leaders”, responded to the tragedy essentially forcing the prosecution Zimmerman..
To have brought this man (Zimmerman) to trial was a big Mistake, in my opinion.

Truthanator said...

Paula Deen made a “MISTAKE” and apologized for it, and yet she will never be let off the hook for it.
Apparently the New Black Panther Movement doesn’t recognize the word “Mistake”
Black people do not own the N-word; either everybody can say it, or nobody can say it. And why? Is the administration saying I don't have the capability do something that black people can do? I'm insulted..
Rap music is vastly more misogynistic, racist, hateful, and violent than Paula Deen.
There is no doubt that black people can have prejudice, be hateful, and discriminate — but in their eyes, they cannot be racist..
Blacks should get on with their lives they've been awarded plenty, and should always remember that no one alive today ever sold slaves, and that this mistake was corrected ten fold in the US.
She owned up to her MISTAKE and apologized. That's more than a lot of people would do. It's over. Let this good lady get on with her life and her business.

Paula Deen would be welcome in my home any time, and any day. It seems to me that the only ones who are perfect are the libtard media and the politically correct. At least she is honest - which is more than I can say for journalists and politicians.

Radical Redneck said...

My vote for the biggest Mistake in the news today is Obama’s backing the Muslim Brotherhood.
The media is full of crap about Obama not having a foreign policy, and especially regarding Egypt. His foreign policy is to back the Muslim Brotherhood.
The hell he doesn’t, he has a very clear, strong and determined foreign policy, which is to aid and abet the Islamist takeover of the Middle East and Europe any way he can. Everything he does clearly shows this, but as long as our controlled media keeps telling us otherwise, we’ll keep sucking up the bullshit.
Obama helped put Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood into office by demanding Mubarak step aside. An ally for decades was thrown to the wolves so Obama et al could have their "Arab Spring".

He backs the terrorist Muslim Brotherhood and he and the other idiots in Washington are backing the Syrian rebels who are affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban and al Qaeda
If Obama had a son he'd look like Mohammed Morsi .

Impertinent said...

@Top Cat:

"Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow the hooded Trayvon; he did anyway. Not a crime but a bad choice indeed..."

I'm so very, very tired of correcting this particular piece of misinformation.

First: A 911 dispatcher is a CIVILIAN. Not a sworn Police Officer ( although I think many of them are "wanna be cops" too...just like they denigrated Zimmerman with? ). Their sole function is being a phone call operator who passes information on to the Police.

The Sanford dispatcher testified in open court at the trial...that he CANNOTorder anyone to do anything. He testified that it's due to the legal liability involved. For example: if a 911 operator
"orders" you to "stand your ground" and you do... and you're killed by taking his advice when you could have or should have retreated. So you die and the family has a huge lawsuit against the city or PD.

Secondly: Zimmerman's on the tape...,listen to it. When he was asked again where TM was...he said he was running. The dispatcher than asked him...where? So you tell me how Zimmerman could have fulfilled that request without getting out of his truck and making visual contact with TM again?

The one who made a Bad choice was TM. He was 70' away from the residence he was staying at under a de facto house arrest. Zimmerman had every right in the state of Florida to have a gun. He had no criminal record and he had a legal permit. Just as 2 million other Floridians do.

TM had a passion for MMA style fighting. And there's plenty of evidence in his phone messaging, tweets and FB posts that he was engaged in that before. When told by a friend that he was a ( something I forgot ) he answered..."No..I'm a gangsta".

The remainder of your post is accurate.

sue hanes said...

Z - Yes - I care. We shouldn't talk about 'mistakes' and then just gloss it over. Mistakes should be looked into and corrected - if possible.

Impertinent said...


With his free falling numbers now around 38%...his whole damn, stinking, garbage filled, lying, corrupt regime...was a mistake of gigantic proportions that's going to take years to mend and correct. He, reid and holder...should be in jail for the crimes they've committed.

The voters will never fall for a man of color again as POTUS! Why would they again. Especially a Conservative one! No Uncle Toms in office they'll stupid as they can be.

Why would Americans risk another round of racism and deteriorating race relations in the country? The man is a disgusting failure. I don't even think his golf game has improved.

Sam Huntington said...

There appears to be this view, which I believe is closely related to political correctness, that even in the face of grievous crimes against persons and property, all one needs to do is apologize for their despicable behavior and all is right again in the world. Additionally, it appears that if someone apologizes and can also prove that they were abused as children, why then … they can even run for the presidency even if they were born in Kenya.

To err is human … but I do not view as sincere this idea that if people say, “I’m sorry” that such a statement repairs any damage. The worst purveyor of such tripe is the news media, who just this morning remarked that Bradley Manning did show remorse by apologizing, so …

Impertinent said...


" do not view as sincere this idea that if people say, “I’m sorry” that such a statement repairs any damage."

Nor does "we made a mistake" re the NSA, IRS, Benghazi or F&F either.

Jim at Asylum Watch said...

The biggest "mistake' of all was made by the American electorate when they voted Obama President the first and then compounded their "mistake" by doing the samething again.

Jack Whyte said...

Government’s and corporations announce, “We made a mistake” rather than to issue an apology because if they declare remorse, they open themselves up to torts and lawsuits. Besides, love is never having to say you’re sorry.

Darth Bacon said...


Duckys here said...

We should care about accurate reporting above all.

1. IRS "scandal" -- Never mind that the scrutiny of left wing groups applying for the same tax exempt status has been documented. The right will insist it is a "scandal" not to allow any political campaign organization tax exempt status. Given what was done to A.C.O.R.N. I am curious why they think the fringe right has been uniquely targeted.

2. F&F --- Bad actors have been tracked and arrested as a result of this program. Has the whole issue been exaggerated? Yes.
Do we have any way to evaluate the effectiveness? Not in the current hysteria.

3. Benghazi -- The right needed a talking point. Embassy attacks happen and they are not unusually frequent under Obama.
The CIA was running some kind of operation that nobody wants exposed. This is something new?

4. The coming police state --- Now we should probably all be rallying around this one rather than the other distractions.
Bradley Manning exposes activity that he's required to report under law and now he's doing 35 and that foul stench Cheney is still walking around.
This one is the real outrage. We've given up so much because there is so much profit keeping you all frightened of the scary Muslims.

We are a nation of sheep.

Sam Huntington said...

Ducky, you are good for only one thing: babble.

Duckys here said...

Well reasoned response, Sam.

Ed Bonderenka said...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans, Whether it's because of a protest or whether a guy out for a walk decided to go kill some Americans:

what difference at this point does it make?”

Mistakes were made,
"what difference at this point does it make?"

And that's the official line.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Well reasoned response to Ducky:
1: scrutiny of left wing groups applying for the same tax exempt status has been documented.
Proven not true.
2: F&F --- Bad actors have been tracked and arrested as a result of this program.
Where do you get your information?
This goes to Holder and he's still in office.
3. Benghazi CIA SOP or not, aid was not sent to citizens/agents/ambassador in harms way. That's the scandal.
4. The coming police state. It's here. The dictator is ignoring written law and imposing his will.

Duckys here said...

@Ed -- 1: scrutiny of left wing groups applying for the same tax exempt status has been documented.
Proven not true.

Start here, Ed

Duckys here said...

@ED --- 2: F&F --- Bad actors have been tracked and arrested as a result of this program.
Where do you get your information?

Start here, maybe

or stay ignorant, your choice.

Duckys here said...

@ED --- 3. Benghazi CIA SOP or not, aid was not sent to citizens/agents/ambassador in harms way. That's the scandal.

Begs he question of whether aid would have been effective or aggravated the situation. The deaths occurred early in the attack.

Pitch till you win.

Elmers Brother said...

Here's a mistake....Obamas brother has been raising funds for the Muslim Brotherhood as a non profit organization ...started in 2008 peddling himself as a non profit but was given retroactive non profit status in 2011....and not one dime of the money raised can be accounted to any charity

Elmers Brother said...

He was given non profit status by none other than Lerner ....the same IRS skank who was witch hunting the Tea Party groups

The Top Cat's Opinion said...

Obama gets ridiculed by a rodeo clown and the left immediately goes into race baiting mode and the guy gets banned for life. More and more, people are pressured to obey political correctness or they'll never hear the end of it.

I think it's clear that liberals are not content to merely disagree, they want to hurt the person who insulted them. Mistake? Naw, it's typical.

Impertinent said...


"The deaths occurred early in the attack."

Outright lie.

American Jihad said...

Mistakes, HE (Obama) made a few..
Apologizing for America in Europe and Latin America.
Bowing before the Muslim king of Saudi Arabia.
Returning the bust of Winston Churchill given to George Bush after 9/11 by our British allies.
Releasing Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the suspected mastermind of the 2000 suicide bombing of the U.S.S. Cole
Giving British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, the leader of America’s most loyal ally, a box of DVDs that don’t work in British DVD players.
Allowing Air Force One to buzz the Statue of Liberty and lower Manhattan, creating panic in New York City.
Dropping the term “enemy combatants” for GITMO detainees.
And we (as ignorant Americans) reelected this idiot!

Impertinent said...

Just for you Duck from Camille Paglia:

Any hopes, fears or predictions for the presidential elections in 2016?

As a registered Democrat, I am praying for a credible presidential candidate to emerge from the younger tier of politicians in their late 40s.

A governor with executive experience would be ideal. It’s time to put my baby-boom generation out to pasture! We’ve had our day and managed to muck up a hell of a lot.

It remains baffling how anyone would think that Hillary Clinton (born the same year as me) is our party’s best chance.

She has more sooty baggage than a 90-car freight train. And what exactly has she ever accomplished — beyond bullishly covering for her philandering husband? She’s certainly busy, busy and ever on the move — with the tunnel-vision workaholism of someone trying to blot out uncomfortable private thoughts.

I for one think it was a very big deal that our ambassador was murdered in Benghazi. In saying “I take responsibility” for it as secretary of state, Hillary should have resigned immediately.

The weak response by the Obama administration to that tragedy has given a huge opening to Republicans in the next presidential election.

The impression has been amply given that Benghazi was treated as a public relations matter to massage rather than as the major and outrageous attack on the U.S. that it was.

Throughout history, ambassadors have always been symbolic incarnations of the sovereignty of their nations and the dignity of their leaders. It’s even a key motif in “King Lear.”

As far as I’m concerned, Hillary disqualified herself for the presidency in that fist-pounding moment at a congressional hearing when she said, “What difference does it make what we knew and when we knew it, Senator?”

Democrats have got to shake off the Clinton albatross and find new blood. The escalating instability not just in Egypt but throughout the Mideast is very ominous. There is a clash of cultures brewing in the world that may take a century or more to resolve — and there is no guarantee that the secular West will win.

Two hands clapping for the super least shes honest.

Duckys here said...

Well Imp, look at it this way.

While you're trotting out Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Pal Ryan and assorted mouth breathers you've practically handed it to Hillary.

You think anyone gives two warm farts in hell about this ginned up Benghazi nonsense. The CIA was running an operation and something went wrong. Get over it.
Or maybe like Ed Bonderenka you know:
1. The nature of the operation
2. The complete logistics of the possible responses
3. The complete timeline
If so, let us know.

You going to go the Elmo way and attract voters by claiming the Dems are in league with the Muslim Brotherhood?

You're going to be laughed off the stage the way you were in 2012 even though he was a weak candidate.

Impertinent said...


You miss the entire point of the article from the pen and mouth of a liberal icon.

It's a long way to 2016 and I'd say no one has assumed the mantel...except the droolers on the left who have been saying since she mocked a sitting Senator that she's the best phooking bet you have? What is it with your "tinglers, sycophant, moon beams" and worshippers of all things Clinton?

GD man...she's an embarrassment for your party. A carpet bagger with a whore husband as worse or worse than the Weiner. Good God man.

Hey...the hell with any more Bushies, Clintons or Kennedy's...hows that sound? That's what the lady was saying...and in Salon no less. I wonder how many of them on 5th Avenue committed suicide and jumped off their penthouse roofs?

Z said...

Ducky, what makes Republicans 'mouth breathers' and all your jerks are 'normal' as you put it.
Do you know how you SOUND?

The best laugh was your line about how libs were just as pursued as Conservatives by the IRS. You FOUND ONE! it's actually a very small percentage and they were all given the okay much faster than the conservatives, some of whom still don't have clearance and for no reason.

You're sounding more and more like a nonthinking liberal HACK lately...i'm so sorry you can't stop the name calling and reverence to Mother Jones and THE NATION.

And where do you get off suggesting the deaths happened early on in Benghazi and then admitting to Ed that nobody supposedly knows the time lines? BUT YOU???

ELBRO: I wish I was going to be home tonight because I'd REALLY like to hear how they're covering (or NOT covering) the Obama brother's Muslim Brotherhood Association.
(Ducky, we's not true, right? :-)

By the way, if this guy got so obviously wealthy on what sounds like illegal fund raising for his group, why didn't HE at least help the Obama aunt who's homeless?

Z said...

SAM, I have to comment to your remark about how all one needs to do is apologize and all is well.
I was, literally an hour ago, talking to a friend and said "today, it's a BIG DEAL particularly with our lefties if you're a RECOVERING ANYTHING!...'Oh, how MARVELOUS that star TALKS about his/her problem!..'oh how MARVELOUS they've given cocaine up...what a HERO!'" when, really, the true hero is the guy who never did the coke.

I know that's a hard concept for liberals, but their way is ruining our culture.

Z said...

BY THE WAY...I know Joe Biden's nobody's fave around here, but please pray for his son. He's only 44 and had suffered a stroke a few years ago and is now in bad shape again, in a cancer center for evaluation in Houston.
Biden's been through an awful lot, losing his first wife and daughter in a car crash years ago, and this would be another hideous blow.


Z said...

Ducky, by the way...Obama's brother got his okay by Lois Lerner herself within days of applying for his tax exemption in relation to the Muslim Brotherhood..the average is seven months.
Nice work, Dems.

Elmers Brother said...

As usual duhkkky (who bTW didn't know the difference between Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism) invokes a pathetic retort.

Malik Obama’s oversight of the Muslim Brotherhood’s international investments is one reason for the Obama administration’s support of the Muslim Brotherhood, according to an Egyptian report citing the vice president of the Supreme Constitutional Court of Egypt, Tehani al-Gebali
In a news report on Egyptian television of a Gebali speech, translated by researcher Walid Shoebat, Gebali said she would like “to inform the American people that their president’s brother Obama is one of the architects of the major investments of the Muslim Brotherhood

Elmers Brother said...

You going to go the Elmo way and attract voters by claiming the Dems are in league with the Muslim Brotherhood?

duhkkky, you don't think it's a mistake giving special consideration to the Muslim Brotherhood?

Its mission statement: "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

Elmers Brother said...

Malik is a member of the the IDO, the Islamic Da’wa Organization (IDO), an arm of the Sudanese government, which is led by President Omar al-Bashir, who is himself a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The IDO was created by the Sudanese Government, which is considered by the U.S. State Department to be a terrorist state. Since Malik Obama is a member of the IDO, this puts him in direct connection with Islamic terrorists as well an official with a terrorist state.

Elmers Brother said...

ever read the HUFFPO duhkkkster?

or you can translate this, Tahani al-Gebali, Vice President of the Supreme Constitutional Court in Egypt

Ed Bonderenka said...

Just got home from my birthday dinner.
Duck, the article is, as Elbro points out (thank you), Huffpo, dated yesterday. It took this long, and this source, to come up with that, which I find unsubstantiated, but I'll grant might, might, be true?

The response to Benghazi was wrong. You don't agree. You weren't stationed in the region like a number of us. You have no standing, insight or info to disagree.

I'm not gonna take more of my evening to answer you. We disagree. The difference is, you're wrong. :)

Kid said...

Z, I don't now about 'mistakes' but have you seen the latest 'news' release where obama reveals he secretly had TV manufacturers install cameras and mics that would work when the TV was off and upload video of your personal activities to the NSA. Apparently, the cameras could even see around corners like some of the new weapons that are in Afghanistan.

The sheer volume of video is so immense that the videos are made available to all government workers, from pentagon staff all the way down to msnbc propaganda technician to review. hey're going through it as a fever pace as it happens they all seem to have a thirst for amateur porn.

Upon release of this information, reports say that Americans are cheering wildly and asking CNN if they will make it so obama can be re-elected as many times as he wants.

It seems like things are getting pretty serious in this country.

Kid said...

the obama administration hasn't made mistakes. They've done exactly what they've wanted to - tear down America from all angles, economic to morality, create divisions between any and every possible idealogical opposite. White - black, gay - straight, lib - con, rich - poor and now with oblammycare, they will create even more hate and division within our society - healthy vs perceived unhealthy. young slim folks will come to hate anyone who THE STATE calls out as living unhealthy - fat, smoker, drive large vehicle vs some homosexual 80 mpg suicide machine.

Read George Orwell's 1984. It's all there. And it's coming. it'll be here in no time. Are you ready for it? Or are you on the edge of your seat for world--peace-coexist-orgasm-unicorn-fart-power-for-free-and-we-all-get-free-everything-and-no-one-ever-cries-again-not-even-cute-little-kitty-cats-and0never-eat-anmials-or-even-hurt-plantsforthat-matter.

Ya in for a shock.

Ed Bonderenka said...

That's right Kid. He's not the stupid idiot I rail at.
What did Kaiser Size say?
The greatest trick...

Kid said...

Ed, Soxe, and Yea, exactly. Well, not to give obama any personal credit. he's a teleprompter Jesus puppet for sure, but there is no dount he wants this to happen as much as 'they' do. He Hates America. Absolutely Hates America.

Kid said...

Geeeezix, Soze, not soxe

Impertinent said...


Happy BD Old Timer.

Z said...

This cracked me up "We disagree. The difference is, you're wrong. :)"

Imp: Is Ed an OLD TIMER?! :-)

Elbro...thanks for that information...amazing, isn't it? If ONLY the Left would PAY ATTENTION! We have too good a country to lose it because they're lazy and unaware!

Kid...who's covering that story of Obama installing all that surveillance stuff??? That's AWFUL!! MY GOSH!

Impertinent said...


"Are you ready for it? Or are you on the edge of your seat for world--peace-coexist-orgasm-unicorn-fart-power-for-free-and-we-all-get-free-everything-and-no-one-ever-cries-again-not-even-cute-little-kitty-cats-and0never-eat-anmials-or-even-hurt-plantsforthat-matter."

Wow...can I borrow that mister 142????

Impertinent said...


Yup...just like me I think.

FreeThinke said...

"Mistakes" matter only when Republicans, Conservatives, Libertarians and Christians get caught making them.

When Marxists, Socialists, Liberals, Progressives and Democrats make "mistakes," they don't count.

Surely you've figured THAT out by now?

It's just the way it is.

It would take an invasion by space aliens or an asteroid the size of Chris Christie slamming into the earth to bring us earthlings together now. Or amybe a return of the Bubonic Plague!

Impertinent said...

Hey...since we all know that the next POTUS candidate usually promises to "fix" what his predecessor has screwed up...what do y'all think Shillary's going to do? Tear down al this shitty Hopey Dopey rot? Condemn him for F&F, NSA, Ben Ghazi ( that'd take a lot of balls ), Snowden, Manning, Holder? Maybe that's what their rose garden lunch was about?

Restore our standing in the ME? Make kissy with BedBe?

Elmers Brother said...

If you go to the BHO Website you'll find pics of Malik and the Sudanese leader, he also was quite chummy with Qadaffi whom BHO dedicated one of his books to

Z said...

Elbro; OBAMA dedicated a book to Qadaffi??WHAT??

FT...Sometimes I put rhetorical questions in to garner good works!

Kid said...

IMP. All my stuff is free for all.

As opposed to JFK who said -
Some of my stuff is free for all;
All of my stuff is free for some;
But all of my stuff is not free for all.

Kid said...

Z, I made that up; but I do know the libs would love it. It's probably going 'viral' now on AirAmericaUnderground and Daily Kooks.

Bill Maher has been advised and his prostitutes are doing demographics on East 57th right now.

It may become fact in no time at all.

Elmers Brother said...

I meant Malik dedicated his book to Qadaffi, among others

Impertinent said...

@Free Thinke:

"or an asteroid the size of Chris Christie slamming into the earth.."

Man...that is some funny image. He could qualify as one you know.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Thanks for the BD wishes.
Z: the 15th anniverary of my 45th rotation,