Tuesday, August 27, 2013

Obama, Syria, and the RED LINE

So......what DO we do in Syria?   How have Obama's actions helped or hindered?  Think we need to go in?   SHOULD we?

You draw your RED LINE.

Z

64 comments:

christian soldier said...

To answer your questions- NO we should not go in--
C-CS

Ed Bonderenka said...

Idiot on the radio right now, Kevin Wahl, says only 9% of us want intervention: "what is wrong with us?"
What is wrong with HIM?
Syria did not attack an ally of ours.
Directly.
Or us, indirectly.
We wouldn't be going in overtly because of their support for Hezbollah.
He supports Hezbollah and is fighting the MoBros.
Who can figure that one out?
Obama is proud to pull us out of Iraq, Afghanistan and now is throwing us into Syria?
Oh well, at least Benghazi and IRS and NSA is out of the news. More.

Jarhead said...

Four U.S. Navy War Ships armed with land-attack cruise missiles are positioned in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, Set for Cruise Missile Strikes on Syria!

Red line in the sand my ass! Why on Earth should we let them manipulate us into this? This stupid president let them back us into this with his big mouth and now we are backed against the wall. It’s put up or shut up time for us.
I just have no confidence in our government to do the right thing anymore. We are embroiled in these never ending wars for what? The Muslims are as committed as ever to defeat us and we are playing right into their filthy hands because Obama hasn’t any brains. Not one drop of American blood should be shed to help any of these barbarians .
We just cańt afford to go to war. And we do not need or want anymore of our veterans wounded and sitting around in Hospitals for months or maybe years with lost limbs or worse. But Obama got suckered into this and when it came to choose sides we dońt have a choice because none of them are the right choice.

sue hanes said...


Z - I think we need to get other nations to join us in taking action in Syria. But the red line statement was made and we need to stand up for it. Chemical warfare should not be allowed. I'm just not sure how it should be handled.

Jarhead said...

The way to handle it is to help Assad get into an accident.

NightHawk said...

I agree with Jarhead,
The use of chemical weapons in Syria doesn't justify the U.S. murdering people that are not directly threatening us and only makes sense if you buy into the Bush Preemption Doctrine nonsense (which apparently the current President does). Didn't the Liberals get their panties all in a wad about that then? So why is it alright now?

I have to wonder if the Progressive Chickenhawks are going to start volunteering to fight Obama's "Good" Wars this time?
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Sam Huntington said...

For years, the US has believed it has had the upper hand whenever dealing with the peoples of the Middle East. History seems to record a different result, however. Our diplomats appear to bend to their will far more often than they bend to ours. Oh sure, we do send them a lot of our wealth—which tells me that their diplomatic strategies are working and ours is embarrassing.

Whenever I watch the news these days, I usually shake my head as I am told of events. Last night I even laughed. I heard a talking head/useful idiot talk about how the Syrian opposition is winning and then she began talking about how it is in America’s best interests to support them, even if these elements do associate with extreme radical groups. I’m still waiting for someone to explain that “American interests” angle in simple terms that even I can understand. I don’t buy into the “its for the oil” meme … we have plenty of energy here at home.

Someone did use chemical weapons in Syria. Obama and his enablers (McCain and Graham) are saying it was someone in the Syrian government. Really? How do we know this for a fact? Is it because McCain’s Al Qaeda buddies said so? Really?

We do not have an interest in Syria. This is a Syrian problem that begs for a Syrian solution.

Jim at Asylum Watch said...

But...but..the CIA wants to stop Russia from getting control of all the natural gas pipelines planned to cross Syria to feed energy to Europe. It is the right of American companies to control those pipelines, rightt?

Thersites said...

Let the Saudi's fight their own wars.

Darth Bacon said...

Let the Muslims kill each other off.

FrogBurger said...

We need to go. You can't let people be killed with chemical weapons. I think NATO is eventually going to go. That's how it should be done. Just kill Assad and his goons.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

A resounding no to your question. Who's side would we even be fighting for? Even the US intelligence community doesn't have a solid lay-down of the players in the Syrian opposition. The reporting of the chemical attack introduces a host of questions and inconsistancies. All we have to go on at present is social and traditional media reporting, but what we think we know doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, in the strategic and tactical sense.

This is just another milestone on the journey that began in 2002 with our shift to nation building, through the Iraq debacle, our side trip to Libya...and now Syria.

Jihadi's the world over have been laughing at us for a decade+.

Z said...

I think Jihadists are laughing for years and have said that for years.

I started wondering the other day if this chemical attack wasn't partly due to the fact that they want Americans in yet another war which bleeds us dry both manpower-wise (demoralizing more families, etc., while we fight wars we're not sure of and with gloves on..THAT is the bigger problem), and totally bleeds us dry financially.
Not a bad way to bring the great America to its knees.

And to divide Americans even more than Obama's managed to.

bad situation....
And I think Thersites is right; let the Saudis fight their own wars. They certainly have the money and their fighters can be rewarded 72 virgins; what more could they want? :-)

Darth Bacon said...

Let NATO go

LOL Anonymous said...

Do you cons think that everyone is just supposed to accept anything that's posted without question?

Yes, we 'liberals' insist on proof. Your just stating something does not mean it's true.

Conservatives have long lost the the confidence of not only liberals, but of everyone else, in believing what they say is true.

Perhaps if conservatives would form their political belief by investigating the facts first, rather than asserting what your fellow dingbats tell you.

FrogBurger said...

Perhaps if conservatives would form their political belief by investigating the facts first

The usual battle of who's checked the facts. Always makes me laugh b/c it's pointless. And puerile.

My question is: what works and what doesn't? Aka who destroyed Detroit or France?

Thersites said...

Liberals insist upon proof???

FACT: Average global temperatures haven't gone up in 15 years... so why do the majority of the global grant receiving scientific community still insist that theplanet is warming? Could it have ANYTHING to do with the "grants" they receive?

FreeThinke said...

PSALM TWO:

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

LOL Anonymous said...

FreeThinke said...

PSALM TWO:PSALM TWO: PSALM THREE

Give us a freaken break with your Poetry BS


JonBerg said...

NO

1) We don't know by whom or [why] alleged 'gas' was used.

2) Syria, a net oil importer, is,at best, of marginal strategic importance (for example compared to Egypt).

3) While I feel for the Christians, who comprise about 10% of the population, the balance follow a pseudo religion, known as Islam, which has proven to have NO regard for human life.

4) With few exceptions, the bulk of the people in that part of the World hate us and are NOT in any way worth one American injury or, in this case, one missile.

FreeThinke said...

I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills from whence cometh my help.

My help cometh from the Lord who made Heaven and earth.

He will not suffer thy foot to be moved.

Behold! He that keepeth israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.

The Lord is thy keeper. The Lord is the shade upon they right hand.

The sun shall not smote thee by day, nor the moon by night.

The Lord shall preserve thee from all evil.

He shall preserve thy soul.

The Lord shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even forevermore. AMEN.


"BLESSED ARE YE WE MEN SHALL REVILE YOU AND PERSECUTE YOU AND SAY ALL MANNER OFT HiNGS AGAINST YOU FALSELY FOR MY SAKE."

FreeThinke said...

If you take nothing else away from the Bible to help sustain you in times of trouble, please remember this:


" ... The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away ..."

Ed Bonderenka said...

FT: Scripture is to liberals like garlic to vampires.
Keep it up.

Anonymous said...

BLESSED ARE THEY WHO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GIVE MANKIND A BREAK

Duckys here said...

Sounds like Nuttyyahoo got on the phone to Susan Rice, threw a tantrum and started screaming that he wants Assad whacked.

FreeThinke said...

Thank you, Ed.

Once I realized that arguing for or against specific problems, events, allegations -- no matter how calmly, kindly or logically -- was not going to make the slightest dent in the hard-headed, hard-hearted, rude, deliberately provocative thinking of our ideological foes, it came to me that references from great sages and philosophers of the past, from rhyme and poetry -- and most importantly -- the BIBLE -- were the best antidote to the confusion, fear, panic, dread and fury that threaten to pollute and the overwhelm our consciousness.

In a world increasingly dominated by the clamor of chronic complaint, bitter denunciation, accusatory rhetoric and perpetual outrage what better thing could we possibly do than express confidence in, and pray to hear and to follow "The Still, Small Voice of God, " -- the "Father of Light in whom there is no shadow, the giver of every good and perfect gift?"

The temptation to sling the mud tossed at "us" right back with equal or superior force only exacerbates and escalates tension and increases the hatred that lead always to destruction.

All of which is to say that the willful misinterpretation and hugely negative reception with which leftists invariably respond to Scripture should be taken as a GOOD sign. If they did not FEAR the Truth, they wouldn't bother to try to so hard to mock it, discredit it, and shout it down, would they?

Be of good cheer -- no matter what. I believe it pleases God. "If God be for us, who can be against us?"

Duckys here said...

The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.

---Antonio Gramsci

Mustang said...

I agree with Hanson: there are only bad choices in Syria. This business of US intervention and punishing Syria for their misdeeds presupposes that Syria in fact did use the chemical weapons and I am not at all convinced this is true. Someone did, but the government of Syria is only one possibility. I wish I could say that I trust my government to tell the truth; I do not.

Hanson argues that there are only a few possible actions that this administration can take (at this very late stage in the novella). They can use the Hillary Clinton Option (tiny stick—loud mouth), we can play whack-a-mole (which always consumes the Obama administration), we could do a large-scale invasion—and why the hell not? We’ve got plenty of money. We could continue to paint red lines in the sand in disappearing ink … or we could all just for once stay home and let the Syrians figure it all out for themselves.

I think there is another option: let Sam’s Three Amigos charge headlong into the fray. I’m not convinced that will do any good for the Syrian situation, but it could rid us of Obama, McCain, and Graham. Maybe it’s just me, but I think Biden is beginning to look pretty darn presidential.

Marine4Ever said...

What my Commandant of the Marine Corps, Mustang, said.

(But it's frightening to think about how desperate we've become when "Biden is beginning to look pretty darn presidential.")

Right Truth said...

That's a great image.

Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

Bob said...

Mustang said, "Maybe it’s just me, but I think Biden is beginning to look pretty darn presidential."

Now, that's scary!

In a conversation with total strangers, today, we discussed Obama's feckless character. I suggested that Obama is making John Kerry look good, and everybody had a good laugh. The problem is that it is true!

When it comes to leadership that does not require knives in someone's back, Barack Obama is totally frustrated, and doesn't have it within him to decide what alternative upon which to act. If it is not in the pattern of kill-em-and-chill-em politics, Valerie Jarrett cannot guide Obama.

It seems to me that on this subject, everyone here can be right, or wrong. Just how do we decide what our national interests in the case of Syria? What are the criteria?

We can all have our opinions, but none of us are in possession of all the facts. This is why we elect leaders, and this is why we expect leaders to address the electorate to explain why we have those vital interests.

Obama is incapable of recognizing those interests, or even separating those interests from the emotional and moral issues. Do we really have a national interest in picking either devil in this fight.

I will buy a good story, but someone has to make the case. That person by definition would be an elected leader. All we have is,... well, why bother to say it anymore?

Kid said...

No nothing to gain. Both sides of this fight are our enemy. There is no reason to support either one. If one of our sons or daughters got a hangnail in an operation with these vermin it would be too high a price to pay.

Kid said...

Z, Can I have 72 experienced women, in sleek silky evening dresses who not only love Jazz, but can sing and play the instruments ?

TIA.

Kid said...

Sue Hanes, Respectfully, what Else should not be allowed.
-clitorectomies?
-stoning young girls for the crime of being gang raped by a group of muslim jackals?
-parents selling 9 year old girls to old men as wives?
-women being treated as lower than a dog in the heirarchy?

(This is just a general rhetorical question)

Ed Bonderenka said...

Kid:
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.
Let 'em duke it out.

Kid said...

Good enough for me Ed

Impertinent said...

@FB:

"You can't let people be killed with chemical weapons.."

That I don't get. So bullets, bombs, EID's, missile attacks, 50 cal gun ships, beheadings and all sorts of other killing is "OK"?

Now that 100K syrians are dead...chemicals somehow change the picture and a "line" has been crossed?

How about nukes? Why not...hell the war and conflict will end a hell of a lot quicker, right?

Ed Bonderenka said...

I had something to say about this subject on the radio today.
The host seemed to be for intervention just to throw our weight around.
Kerry had said something about a father cradling his dead son.
I said that could be grounds for boots in Chicago.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41339180/Syria%20Intervention.mp3

Impertinent said...

@ED:

"I said that could be grounds for boots in Chicago..."

Yea...I noticed that today Shitago had some "Safe" Passage Day for kids to get to school...so as not to get shot up on their way. Of course the "guards" weren't armed..Good God....how phooking insane is that crap hole anyway? So..Kenesha, a single mother of 3 says.."It won't last long before they start shooting and putting bullet holes in the walls and all over the place again."

They're going to keep "hoping" that the guns will go away? That these animals have some kind of code, or conscience? You're damn right ED....they need to call out the Guard or a seasoned combat battalion that's been rousting jihadist scum to shoot everyone of these urban terrorists.

Kid said...

IMP, you realize the DHS has officially declared Conservatives as urban terrorists right?

Kid said...

IMP, PS - :)

Impertinent said...

@Kid:

Didn't know dat...just thought they tagged Christians that way?

TS/WS said...

The majority of the wars the USA have been in, have been while the DemocRATS have been in power!
Expansion of Executive Powers-were given to FDR; and not recended; and the War Powers Act.
The Expansion of Executive Powers are the most scary.
First Clinton (Bubba)and now
Obama (the Indonesian Stepchild), Bush did not try to exceed his bounds-went right up to the boundary but did not cross.
Obama told the Muslim Bros that he had to take care of some domestic issues here and then he would show them how to deal with Israel.
He said he wanted 4 or 5 $$$ a gal. gas.
This will be an excuse to raise the bar for the Oil and Gas Option Buyers--the DEMocRATS need the money for the NEXT Election;
I've been telling you all that's
WHAT BUBBA DID WITH the UPS/Teamsters Strike and Bill Richardson with hat in hand went to the OPEC and asked them to raise the price of a barrel of oil;
Marc Rich had warehoused millions of barrels of OIL/and the UNIONS had bought LOTs and LOTs of Oil and Gas Options (a LOT - is a Million gallons of gas), and when the pump price goes up is where the UNIONs make a killing/windfall.

TS/WS said...

Encase the Libfarts cant make the connection;
the biggest cost to UPS other than payroll is FUEL. To hedge to fuel cost Management would purchase Gasoline/Fuel Options, and to share the wealth with the employees, Options were invested in the Employees Pension Plan.
The Teamsters saw this and wanted it (the Pension Plan), like Pirates that they are ILLEGALLY ELECTED Ron Cary's ass President of the Teamsters to carry out the ILLEGAL STRIKE! With BUBBAS blessings.
AND ON AND ON IT GOES-right under those wet behind the ears LIBFARTS noses.

Kid said...

TS/WS, I'd say that's a very reasonable scenario. I know clinton and friends 0 and most especially fraudulent 'tech' companies' profited greatly in the 'tech bubble of 2000. it wasn't until Bush came in that these frauds were taken down. Bernie, Enron, many others.
They were cleaning up like Al Capone, and they're doing the same thing now in Spades. UNbelieveable how much money is being stolen from us...

Kid said...

IMP, anything right wing is being demonized as much as anything that occurred in 1930's Germany. Seriously. A little more power and they're going to start killing on a large scale. Literally. IMO

TS/WS said...

Yea Kid.
Make the Patriots out to be the cause of all that ails the Country.
FASCISM 101!

Kid said...

TS/WS, it's been balls to the wall for the fascists the last 5 years (and more, but..). Anyone who denies it is either living on hope, hiding their head in the sand, is not engaged, or is just plain stupid.

Unbelieveable the atrocities being perpetrated on American citizens ESPECIALLY these last few years.
Unbelievable.

Impertinent said...

@KID:


YEA...I LISTENED TO THE FACIST,RACISTS AT THE MLK JAMBOREE TOO.

Impertinent said...

@KID:

The Nobel folks called. They want their Peace Prize back.

Kid said...

IMP, I think they'll give him another one. Right after the new race war in America kicks off in his and the media's honor.

TS/WS said...

FASCISM just a small explanation

The police state is used to crush opposition or dissent. Secret police spy on the whole population, and remarks against the leaders leads to swift and severe punishment. (NSA) Opposition parties are dissolved. Educational, athletic, and recreational organizations are usually brought under the control of the fascist authority.
Some other group within the country, is usually picked out to serve as "the enemy" and made to appear as the cause of all evils or misfortunes. Sometimes it combines racial and religious bigotry.
To work well, fascism needs the sincere consent of a large part of the population. To maintain this consent, the fascist must cut off the people from any information which might cause them to doubt the complete truth of fascist principals. Newspapers, radio, television, and other means of communication must be censored so the public will get only those facts the leaders want known. Freedom of speech and assembly must be suppressed.

This is Fascism 101

TS/WS said...

Fascism maintains among the people a permanently war like frame of mind. Every citizen feels that he is mobilized against enemies of the leaders within, and against possible foreign foes. A leader usually comes to power during a period of economic crisis or depression. Near-Fascist claim to be a democracy, but with fascist traits, including the police state, militarism, and Extreme Nationalism.

Z said...

Mustang, it IS "just you"!

TS/WS, they certainly are trying to keep information from us these days.


ALL: You had a PARTY without me tonight. Thanks SO MUCh for coming by! I can't wait for the weekends when I can scrape the energy to come and visit your super blogs!

Impertinent said...

@Kid...

And here's the POS that's going to lite the candle...or the big bang in America..the POS who wills and wants a race war.


"Sharpton is never a mere pundit, and "fair-minded" has never described his vicious race-baiting ways. Sharpton explicitly promised in his speech to take his National Action Network staff to Texas and North Carolina and lobby against Republican governors on the allegedly racist outrage of being asked to provide an ID on Election Day.

On Monday, Sharpton made another visit to the Obama White House to advise the president.

After Sharpton finished speaking on MSNBC, network hosts Ed Schultz and Melissa Harris-Perry agreed that Sharpton was the Martin Luther King of the new century. "There's no doubt that Reverend Sharpton is the contemporary civil rights leader of our time," said Schultz. "He is peerless," oozed Harris-Perry."

beamish said...

I don't mind going to war with a leftist in charge like Obama. We'll destroy all of Syria's WMD with airstrikes and not one innocent person will die. It'll be like Iraq, but with a dance beat.

beamish said...

/sarcasm

;)

FreeThinke said...

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."

"Men will lie on their backs, talking about the fall of man, and never make an effort to get up."


~ Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

beamish said...

Seeing a lot of nonsense online along the lines of "If Obama attacks Syria, for the first time in history America will be fighting alongside Al Qaeda."

Nonsense.

It would be the THIRD time. First was in the Clinton years against Serbia (the links between the Kosovo Liberation Army and al Qaeda are indisputable) and of course the second time was when al Qaeda fighters returning to Libya from Iraq toppled Muammar Quadafi with US air support.

Maybe it's the new thing in politics. Democrats build up anti-American terrorist networks, and Republicans knock 'em down.

beamish said...

...that said, at least it's not Mitt "I can't think of a single thing wrong with Obama's foreign policy" Romney calling the shots.

The Man on the Street said...

FreeThinke said...

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.


Blame your Libfart friends for that over at the the Wicked Witch of the blogisphers's blog.

Kid said...

IMP, My buddy tells me Sharpton only helps the black community and is impeccable.

Kid said...

TS/WS, Exactly, when a pseudo-leader group needs protection, the first step is to assemble an army, and that army needs something to hate and focus on. And of course, they should focus on the biggest threat to you.
-zimmerman (as a concept)
-conservative
-crazy returning war veterans
-guns and other means of attack or self-defense
-intelligent/well informed people
-individual liberty crazed maniacs...


you can see where this is going.

Rational Nation USA said...

Willful ignorance has finally won over a majority of conservatives.