Monday, December 17, 2012

Guns...or what?

So, we've got many more mass murders lately..........more and more and more.
Is that the gun's fault?   Farmers and ranchers have exposed their kids to guns all their lives...for years.  I haven't heard of mass killings in the last 200 years by kids who decided blowing as many people off as possible was a good  idea.

So, it's not guns.  Are we safe to say that?  But, I know, the leftwingers insist IT'S THE GUNS!!!

It's pretty clear that having guns readily available isn't a good idea for the mentally challenged, I'll agree to that extent.   But, are there more mentally challenged people lately?  WHY?

It's not guns............

Lately, on talk radio , I've been stunned to hear "Do you think the killer went to church?"  DO YOU?

Very disappointing to hear Obama say beforehand that his talk at the prayer service was not the time for talking about gun control because a lot of his speech did bandy about subject.  Sad.
By the way,...why the muslim clergy represented?   Any muslim kids killed??    No, I don't think so, either.

Let's stop shunning God....dissing Him to kids....not permitting prayer of any kind or even moments of silence. This is about GOD, not a RELIGION. Wake up, America...take notice about when things started to go SO WRONG. z


Always On Watch said...

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Ducky's here said...

It's a plethora of guns in a violent militaristic culture.

In America the gun is a fetish.

Ducky's here said...

Any Muslim kids killed??

When we kill Muslim children we use drones or aircraft we gave Likud.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

The argument that because of the gun, these type of events occur, is specious and empty. That is a given for nearly every responsible gun owner/carrier.

I'm only slightly less perturbed by the argument that this happened because "God was kicked out of school". I am happy that many turn to a creator for comfort in the aftermath of tragedy; but much like infringing gun control legislation, I would hope that these events do not become catalysts for turning personal relationships between an individual and their God, into institutionalized recognition by civic entities....when that personal relationship is not abridged or restricted to begin with.

Always On Watch said...

The list of victims:

Charlotte Bacon, 6

Daniel Barden, 7

Rachel Davino, 29

Olivia Engel, 6

Josephine Gay, 7

Ana Marquez-Greene, 6

Dylan Hockley, 6

Dawn Hochsprung, 47

Madeline Hsu, 6

Catherine Hubbard, 6

Chase Kowalski, 7

Jesse Lewis, 6

James Mattioli, 6

Grace McDonnell, 7

Anne Marie Murphy, 52

Emilie Parker, 6

Jack Pinto, 6

Noah Pozner, 6

Caroline Previdi, 6

Jessica Rekos, 6

Avielle Richman, 6

Lauren Rousseau, 30

Mary Sherlach, 56

Victoria Soto, 27

Benjamin Wheeler, 6

Allison Wyatt, 6

I saw Muslim clergy in the televised coverage of last night's memorial service. I did not see any "obviously Muslim" people in the congregation.

The Hedaya Islamic Center is located in Newtown, Connecticut. The Islamic center has its own school, so perhaps the few Muslim school children in Newtown attend that school.

Demographics of Newtown

Notable residents of Newtown have included Elia Kazan and James Thurber and Charles Goodyear Many other names are on that list.

Brooke said...

The killer was insane, and evil. Would a religious upbringing have changed him? I don't know. I doubt it.

Always On Watch said...

Every autist whom I personally know is successful.

Every autist whom I personally know was brought up in a Christian family and is himself a Believer.

Just sayin'.

Always On Watch said...

BTW, autism means the -ism of self.

Autists have a terrible time trying to see other people as anything but objects.

Seeing other people as objects is also a hallmark of psychopathy.

THAT is the sad truth.

Anonymous said...

Si le Dieu est, il n'est pas bon.

Si le Dieu est bon, il n'est pas le Dieu.

- Old French proverb

Ron Polland said...

This is so typical of the right wing tendency to protect "rights" no matter how stupid the so called "right" may be. even if it means getting people killed. And they spread this manure as if it is so freaken important for a person to have automatic weapons even if it means killing others.
I am sickened by the lack of preparation by the right wingers who tend to make things up and then spew them as fact over the internet. It's too bad so many are ignorant enough to believe that ANY thing they read online is the gospel. I am not a democrat OR a republican but tend to check all the issues and vote for the lesser of the 2 evils. As of late, I cannot in good conscience vote for a single republican in the upcoming election due to their and their constituency stretching the truth, twisting the truth, and/or downright lying in desperation during this campaign. They need to do some serious soul searching and make major changes in their tactics before I will EVER again feel safe enough or have enough faith in them to vote republican. Indeed, I have seen that they have bought and paid for whole networks of journalism. They have brought into question the integrity of "fair and balanced" journalism. How can ANY one trust any of these right-wingers?

Anonymous said...

How we deal with mantal illness in this country is part of the problem.

Anonymous said...

I haven't heard of mass killings in the last 200 years...

Oh, don't worry, there have been mass killings all right. Only perhaps you don't think they were killings...but acts of valor. Sins of the fathers... remember?

Silverfiddle said...

I am posting this at every blog I visit that is addressing the Sandy Hook tragedy, so I apologize in advance, but it is critical we bring facts to this discussion.

It is an emotional topic, and I can understand the gun-haters'emotional outbursts, but we must respond with charity and the facts.

Fact #1: Violent crime is down from 2000 to 2009, as is the use of a firearm in commission of a crime.

Here are a few excellent links:

Aweful Reactions to Sandy Hook Shooting

Here is a link to an DOJ report:

US DOJ Report: Criminal Victimization, 2009

Some excerpts from the report:

"For overall violent crime, firearms, knives, and other weapons were used in about equal proportions"

"Weapons were used in 22% of all violent crimes in 2009"

"Between 2000 and 2009, the overall rate of firearm violence declined from 2.4 to 1.4 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older (table 10)."

"Firearms were used in about 8% of all violent crime incidents in 2009.

During the 10-year period, about 6% to 9% of all violent crime incidents were committed with firearms"

Established facts and Christian charity must be our departure point in our search for answers.

FreeThinke said...

Thank you, Kurt, for bringing sanity, sobriety and depth to a subject that too easily generates self-destructive rage and counter-productive hysteria.

Giving way to anger and grief is really nothing more than a form of SELF-INDULGENCE.

Weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth are EASY -- and worthless. Thought, study, finding true UNDERSTANDING may be hard -- but the self-discipline required is eminently worthwhile.

FreeThinke said...

Hey! Has anyone besides me thought yet of the possible significance of "Sandy" in the recent spate of depressing, discouraging influences and disasters?

1. SANDRA Fluke

2. Hurricane SANDY

3. SANDY Hook elementary school

It may seem superstitious or merely inane to imagine there might be some sort of mystical relationship or cosmic significance to this bizarre series of coincidences, but considering their overall effect on the mood and temper of the nation SHOULD make one wonder, or don't you agree?

Liberalmann said...

The usual righty argument:
"The liberals can't seem to grasp that this psychotic man pre-meditated this and he was going to acquire the guns no matter what."

That's utter bullshit and you know it, if assault weapons are banned, if mag clips are banned, if handguns have to be licensed or if handgus have smart're putting a lot of steps between the guns and the potential shooter.

Comrade Russky said...


Mark Adams said...

When you call for more, stiffer regulation on keeping and bearing, then where will it stop?
First we have a ban on automatics, now they are pressing for a ban on semi-automatics... Seeing the pattern, is key. Creeping control.

So what would be next after the complete disarming of Americans? Controlling knives, in the case of Nichole Simpson. Or duck tape, in the case of Caylee Anthony? Catching my drift? It's the twisted person who should not have access to them.

Z said...

AOW, thanks for the information.
We really don't know that Lanza felt no pain; he was very high ability and probably Asperger's, not augistic.
As for the woman whose son is like that, THIS is what needs to be addressed; children who are that off that families need escape plans when the kid blow's his top MUST be treated.
But, some in our society will protect THEIR RIGHTS over the rights of his family members.
It's like I said on my other post; had Dawn Hochsprung been armed and shot Lanza (preventing the killing of all those kids), she'd probably be in jail now for not having been certain he was going to kill.
This is a HUGE problem.

Ducky, I burst into laughter at your ridiculous comment about Israel! Everyone who watches ALL news knows far too well what's really happening over there.
Please link any israeli cartoon describing Palestinian children as 'pigs'. Please do some research for yourself on how muslims use their children as human shields.
Your constant display of hatred for Jews is palpable is not welcome here.

No, no Muslim kids killed. Why muslim clergy?

CI...NOBODY said belief in God must be institutionalized! NOBODY. That personal relationship IS restricted and abridged; there is no doubt about that. When nativity scenes are taken out of the town, people SEE THAT. WHen we can't mention GOD at a basketball game, our kids SEE THAT.

Brooke...I think it would.
Belief in something outside oneself is life changing for the better. Not to say there aren't nuts of every persuasion, but...

Kurt, thanks SO MUCh for that...excellent comment, excellent facts.

FT...I believe grieving is healthy. Everyone is grieving now for those children. THere's plenty of time for introspection about us and our country; I hope that happens but I fear it's too late.

Z said...

Anonymous, oh for God's sake; yes, Indians got massacred. And others have been massacred.

I'll stay my course; when children were raised with guns in the house on farms and ranches, we didn't see them shooting up their school.

The French proverb is naive and stupid and shows so little understanding for Dieu it isn't worth responding to.

FT...interesting about the SANDY connection but I don't think we can read too much into it, do you!?

How does it help that the school furniture is being removed for forensic examination.
We know who did it. We know what guns were used. We know who was killed and where.
They are now saying those guns and ammo will be examined from now to the point of 'birth'. WHY?

There IS no information needed for a jury trial of this monster.

Honestly, what's the huge amount of forensics for? I'm not against it, I just don't understand the purpose. Except I guess if that gun or same box of ammo were used in an as-yet other unsolved crime?
WHY ELSE? Why take furniture out and examine every bullet hole??

Z said...

Mark Adams, thanks for that comment..well said.
But we all know where it ends; total gun control. Does one person here think Obama's got anything but that on his mind?

The Left just doesn't seem to UNDERSTAND that the GOOD GUYS deserve at least the chance the BAD GUYS have even if the bad guys' rights might be tampered with.

Anonymous said...


" Why take furniture out and examine every bullet hole??"

To give the 100 FBI agents there something to do?

Maybe....they'll use it for case studies in their crime handbooks?

Anonymous said...


"Your constant display of hatred for Jews is palpable is not welcome here."

For such and "educated", sophist...he is a real racist and Nazi like isn't he?

Anonymous said...

"you're putting a lot of steps between the guns and the potential shooter."

And adding more time to protect oneself you moron.

Z said...

Imp, so you think this forensics thing's a bit much, too? Sounded so weird to me. time and money spent for WHAT???

Kid just sent me an email from work; the stats show that England (which the left admires so much for their gun laws, and even their cops didn't carry guns until recently...I think they carry now) has a higher gun killing rate than we do.

Facts just don't seem to matter.

Ducky was at another blog yesterday saying Switzerland has the highest murder rate in Europe when it's absolutely provable that it does NOT. They take their guns home after military service and they've always had low rates.
If it's inching up at all now, it's not the Swiss, it's the interlopers. trust me.

Anonymous said...


"so freaken important for a person to have automatic weapons even if it means killing others..."

Get your facts straight pal...automatic weapons have been illegal since the 1930's. And no one is allowed to own a fully...FULLY automatic weapon since 1986.

Very few still exist...except for collectors and legally licensed gun dealers.



Anonymous said...


"the stats show that England.."

He's 10000% correct. They took the guns away and now the criminals have free range in their "gun free" country.

Yea it does seem over board with the forensics. But like I said....justify their labs and existence. of them...had to photograph this mayhem too...I can't imagine who has those photos. And I pray they never see the light of day on some damn web site.

Pris said...

I find it interesting that so many on the secular left are afraid of Christians and turning to God, when in that small town where the horror took place, they all turned to God in the aftermath of sheer terror, and tragedy.

The recognition of God means, that morality and righteousness, will succeed where a secular country, does not. We were founded on those principles which are based on Judeo-Christian beliefs.

If the assault on the belief of a higher power would end, surely our country would be so much better served.

Guns are but an instrument, to be handled prudently. It's those few people who are mentally deficient, or full or hate who use them with no belief in goodness or good will.

There is less good will today, and one reason is, there are those who seek power, and create a hateful mindset between different groups.

Class warfare, pitting one group against another, in the name of seeking power. So, who is it really, who is dividing our country, and feeding our nation hate and mistrust?

Finally I say, God help us all, and may he keep those dear little innocent ones close who Him. My heart goes out to those who are suffering as we speak.

JonBerg said...

Z and IP,

Forensic Science Welfare? It strikes me as they are at a complete loss to pursue anything constructive. Perhaps the illusion that they are 'doing something' will placate some folks.

Maybe, time and money would be better spent by researching measures taken in Iseral and Thailand to arm teachers for some real protection.

christian soldier said...

The Second Amendment -- "HOLDS THE GROUND"-- for the entire Constitution and thus - for us in the US!!!

Z said...

Pris, beautifully said, my friend.
And yes, when people believe in God, things go smoother... and when things go badly, His comfort when sought is immeasurable.
But, that's something each of us has to find out on our own.

JB...I'll see that link later..gotta run. But it looks VERY interesting from the title in the link text!

Carol...Obama's bound to do an exec order..........what a disaster he is for American values.

JonBerg said...

Not to understate the serious gravity of this disastrous event but can you imagine the carnage, that would have ensued, if this so-called "genius" would have detonated a PROPANE BOMB! That nearly happened at Columbine.

Anonymous said...

"The Truth About Semi-Auto Firearms"

For the press and the ignorant who come here and spout off about "assault" weapons.

Straight from a Firearms, police instructor.

Z said...

Jon..we'd better outlaw propane, too.

when will it end..? When will we figure out our people need a calmer, better America in which to live and better mental health care?

Waylon said...

It's acknowledged that the perp of the Sandy Hook school violence was diagnosed with a mental illness. It's also apparent from some of the photos that something is evidently wrong as he gazes into the camera.

What seems to be lacking is any discussion of what medication (if any) was this individual taking? Some anti-depressant and anti-psychotic medications have severe side effects on some people—and especially on younger people who have been prescribed them. If Adam Lanza was prescribed these medication it should be part of the investigation of this atrocity and brought to light. for public knowledge. Did these types of drugs/medications have a part in the lives of similar crimes (particularly Columbine) that have been committed over the years?

What about violence available to young people especially through use of video games which simulate killing? I believe there was a connection in both the current case and Columbine to the use of video games of a certain type. Hollywood sits in the background churning out movies of the most disgusting and despicable type of entertainment—from extreme violence to sexual violence to "golden showers". Yet audiences line up to lap up the excrement. What's up with that?

Is there a connection linking Hurricane Sandy, the MSG KMA(kiss my ass)Sandy superstar concert of 12-12-12 and the Sandy Hook Elementary School? Don't know, but it's an interesting speculation.

Teresa said...

The mental health field definitely needs to be reformed. Guns did not cause the horror at Sandy Hook Elementary School. A mentally unstable and evil person did. Plus the lack of God in our society today was a major contributing factor as well.

KimoSaavy said...

Isn't it interesting that this thr Pig in a Pant Suit otherwise known as Hillary Clinton has been involved in situations with two men that are considered Impeachable offenses. BJ Bubba barely escaped impeachment and removal from office for blatant perjury, while Zero will skate by without anybody even mentioning impeachment, despite his actions (and inaction's) costing American lives.

Why don't they Supoena her to testify and if she does not show up, throw her in jail.

And let´s say she really has a concussion. Then subpoena her back in Feb, April, June, Dec of 2013. This investigation shall never be closed until she testifies. FOUR American's were Killed for Gods Sake!

IMHO Her boss doesn´t want her to testify, so she won´t, period! There wasn't any virus, she didn't faint, there was no concussion. It´s just another a typical liberal fraud. If she´d had a concussion she would have been hospitalized.

-FJ said...

Don't worry, Kimo, somebody will find Hillary's billing records on the Benghazi Xerox and Vince Foster's body propped up against the Misrata memorial.

btw - When did a CIA Interrogation Safehouse get upgraded to "Consulate" status? Jes' wondrin'.

JonBerg said...


Speaking of "mental health" I'd sure like to know more about what was going through that Mother's mind to not only allow access but to, reportedly, encourage the use of firearms as some form of "bonding". Where was this "disturbed" kid's father? Was this kid's emotional/mental/neurological (whatever) malady an inherited condition?

Joe said...

If somebody had been armed and taken this guy out as soon as it was realized what he was doing, maybe only one or two people would have been killed instead of 26.

As far as I know, dead people do not routinely shoot and kill others.

Anonymous said...



Elmers Brother said...

Cum hoc ergo propter hoc

Elmers Brother said...

Non sequitor

Elmers Brother said...

Its also the hallmark of collectivists political philosophy.

Elmers Brother said...

Didn't know our founding fathers (who included this right in the Constitution) were stupid.

Elmers Brother said...

And here's Liberalman who doesn't understand it wasn't an assault weapon. My .22 cal Winchester rifle holds more shells and is a semi automatic

Waylon said...

This just in:

Adam Lanza was tagged with a tattoo identifying him as: Anarchist Communist.

Sounds like he may have been an up and coming little Duckling, in his own mind, anyway.

Anonymous said...


"Sounds like he may have been an up and coming little Duckling..."

Let's hope he wasn't Jewish too...duk has enough anti Jew in it already.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

@Pris - "I find it interesting that so many on the secular left are afraid of Christians and turning to God, when in that small town where the horror took place, they all turned to God in the aftermath of sheer terror, and tragedy."

Perhaps I'm not terribly in touch with the 'secular left', but could you provide some context as to where people are projecting or exhibiting a "fear of Christians and turning to God"?

Waylon said...

So if he was Jewish then we should excuse this, or what?

Ducky's here said...

Is that the gun's fault? Farmers and ranchers have exposed their kids to guns all their lives...for years.

Military grade weaponry?

I'm sure they let their kids goof around with a jungle clipped AR.

But the the fringe right will stand Ted Nugent up there to tell the normals that is a legitimate hunting firearm.
This time, no.

Anonymous said...


Of course not. Nor did I imply that. It's just gives more "ammo" to it cause it hates Jews....that's all.

Ducky's here said...

@Silver --- Fact #1: Violent crime is down from 2000 to 2009, as is the use of a firearm in commission of a crime.

Fact #2 - crime in America is not much more likely than other industrialized nations. NYC is one of the safest large cities in the world.

Fact #3 - Your likelihood to be a victim of gun violence is quanta higher in America.

This tells me that the gun loons obsessive urge to flood the country with firearms is counter productive.

Z said...


Ducky, please stop with the broad brush; it's silly and useless. How you could differentiate guns just to limp along in a powerless argument is amazing.

It's the KIDS. Their folks don't raise them hating, they didn't sit with video games killing all day long, they didn't have liberals ripping heroes away from them and telling them self esteem's more important than anything else.
And, no, just to cut you off; I'm not blaming libs for this, but I'm not letting that mentality off the hook, either.

Anonymous said...


You're incredibly ignorant.

Watch the video:

They are NOT "assault" weapons cause they have plastic stocks rather than wood...or "look" like a military weapon. Fact matter what they look like to a rube like you...they are legitimate for hunting...if one chooses a $1500 gun...that's their business.

Z said...

Ducky..."flood the country with firearms" WHO suggests that? :-)

Anonymous said...

"urge to flood the country with firearms is counter productive."

Kinda like our government flooding Mexico with them right duk?

Want to talk about MASS murder? How about 300++++ brown people killed by Holder and the ATF?

Nah...chirp, chirp. You don't care about them though, do you?

Waylon said...

Z, it's funny how so much is out there as back ground to this ugly and evil story, yet the media sticks to the same drum beat and same talking points. This young man was had deep mental problems and was very likely highly medicated with prescription psychotropic drugs. These drugs exacerbate the problems especially in young people.

I wonder how long it will take the comrades at MSNBC to discover the "Anarchist Communist" tattoo that he had on his arm? Don't hold your breath for that.

Pris said...

CI, let's see.
The ACLU, atheists, many activist gays, Marxists, Socialists, and Left wing politicians.

The left which is seeking control and power, are having to compete with Judeo-Christian morality, and they don't like it!

That is because as long as we are strong in our faith, they will have great trouble taking us over, controlling us.

This is why something as benign as a Christmas tree, is being negated as a tie with Christmas, and is referred to as a holiday tree by those who want to rid us of Christmas or any holiday which is based on Christianity.

Ducky's here said...

Ducky..."flood the country with firearms" WHO suggests that? :-)

I'd say that 300+ million is flooding.

Liberalmann said...

In 2011, NRA Shot Down CT Law To Limit 30-Shot Magazines;

Six Extreme Policies That Prove The NRA Is Out Of Step With America

Fox News Employees Told Not To Talk Of Gun Control After Newtown Massacre: Report

Z said...

Ducky, I'd say 'Flooding' implies people trying to inundate a place with something..water, guns.

This is mostly law-abiding citizens with guns. Of course, probably most of that number are the bad guys who'll never give their guns up no matter what. We can't do much about them, but nobody's going to give up their right to protect himself from them.

Elmers Brother said...

I'd say read Richard Lotts book More Guns Less Crime. Again cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

Elmers Brother said...

Duhkkky it wasn't a military weapon. My .22 cal Winchester rifle is also a semi automatic but is not considered an assault weapon and it holds more rounds.

Elmers Brother said...

Opinion based on facts not in evidence

Elmers Brother said...

Or from duhkkky form of tyrranical gubmint

Elmers Brother said...

You think maybe politicizing an event as painful as this might be behind the Fix policy? You're such a useful idiot.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

@Pris - "The ACLU, atheists, many activist gays, Marxists, Socialists, and Left wing politicians."

I don't think you left out any boogeymen, good job!

Marxists and others of the political left are certainly arrayed against Conservative values, but then again...with legislated imposition on the citizenry, the same charge can be levied against many faithful.

Surely, you wouldn't have an issue with a private, commercial entity exercising their free market right to use an inclusive term to cover the season of several religious holidays...would you? Or a symbol that has it's origins in pagan ritual....

But thank you for answering my question; I simply didn't know if you were speaking generally, or if there were specific instances of people being afraid of Christianity.

Anonymous said...

"Perhaps the greatest stimulant for gun sales is caused when anti-gun Democrats take power.

But if you look at recent history, campaigns for gun control only feed the so-called “gun culture” that the anti-gun activists fear.

As another media-fueled anti-gun campaign begins, expect gun owners to respond accordingly. Americans will react by stockpiling more weapons and ammunition than ever before."

So go for it silly'll surely put a few million more guns into citizens hands.

America’s culture of gun ownership – based on the Second Amendment - will only gain in strength.

Anonymous said...

No gun was used here:

"The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6... and injured more than 680 people.

The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.

The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.

And $4 box-cutters led to the death of 3000 people...Next?

Kid said...

The Crime Rate is MUCH HIGHER in the UNARMED UK

Instructions: If you are duck or libtard, or any other manner of a shit for brains liberal, you will probably need to read the above Factual Article at least 1,000 times.

Maybe I shouldn't have put "Factual" in there, they probably wont' read it now will they.... Oh well, like it Matters anyway.

Kid said...

IMP, Thanks for pointing that out, and if I ma add, box cutters, fertilizer and diesel fuel are still as legal as fun on a Sunday Morning.

Interesting the Libtards in government are taking the tact that somehow "All the Bad Things" can be prevented. Mind of freakin 3 year old for one thing.
No they can't.

Notice how mass murder happens in the most vulnerable areas. How about this after thinking about it like an adult for 1.5 seconds or so. How about we replace some useless administrative people in the schools with Competent security people. 1. the cowards will likely not even show up and 2. they'll not have the ability to do anywhere near as much damage.

Wait... that makes too much sense. Ok, sorry folks. Nevermind.

Anonymous said...


"or any other manner of a shit for brains liberal..."

Don't ya just luv it shoving it down their a foie gras...especially to a "duck"?

Facts don't mean shit to these ignorant turds. Oooops...It's all about feelings and power....and taking away more rights and freedoms.

Everyone of them don't see the Pol Pot...the Mao...the Stalin...the Hitler...the Chavez in their souls ( as if they had them )...

Fact is...I'm checking out a Bushmaster tomorrow. Thanks I know I need one.

Kid said...

IMP, I do, they such easy boring targets though. Not even as challenging as the upper torso targets from 25 feet at the range.

Anyway, I'm thinking Ak's personally.

Silverfiddle said...

So, Ducky, then I guess you are cheerleading for Der Fuhrer Bloomberg's police state?

You whine about stop and frisk, but the strong man gives you a secret tingle, doesn't he?

Kid said...

SF, You're definitely on to something with that. I'm quite sure many of them love the play the submissive and I know many of them dream about servicing obama. Seriously.

Anonymous said...


"as the upper torso ..."

You're assuming they have one I take it?

I just this Holiday / Christmas spirit...they don't ever have to wait 20 minutes after dialing 911 for their special protector to arrive.

Kid..even where I live...I know it'll take 5 minutes or less to have one of my very own hand picked black & whites to arrive here...fully ready to lay down his or her life for me cause I'm just to damn afraid to have one of those icky things in my home./ sarc off

Kid said...

IMP, Well, if all we had to aim at were their family jewels, that Would make it much more challenging.

And yea, I don't believe a policeman has Ever intervened in a home invasion. Unless it was his/her house and they were there already.

Anonymous said...


Kid, Kid...Kid...

You're making wild assumptions again...jewels? The DNC has them in a lock box in Debbie Wassermans mansion.

Kid said...

You HAD to bring debbie blabbermouth-puts into this. ?? :)

Anonymous said...

@Kid...of course I had to.

You have to understand that down here in chad land...she's a god!

OT..I love the cops in my town...all 150 of them. See...I'm what they call an "APE"...and acute political emergency...LMAO. kid is coming up from MB last week..she's in a hurry..ya know...45 in a 30...cop says the usual stuff...gimme this and that.

She doesn't have it..NADA..license or registration.

So...female that she is...she say' "Cousin Vinny" will vouch for me.

So the cop calls Vinny...( no kidding that's his name ) Vinny ( Captain Vinny ) says...yup...I've known this kid since she was 2 yo...

Her dad is a PITA...let her ride. I love small towns.

I told my kid...never do that again....paybacks are a bitch.

Cops a man....wanted open carry....StG.

Z said...

CI "Surely, you wouldn't have an issue with a private, commercial entity exercising their free market right to use an inclusive term to cover the season of several religious holidays."

When everything is HAPPY HOLIDAY, it's already happened.
They're even afraid to call them Christmas trees as they sell them in some locations. See any difference in what you're suggesting?

Kid said...

IMP, Open Carry is nice, we had that in Arizona, not sure if it's still there, but I'd guess yes.

Wow, no papers at all ? That's rare and she owes you ! And Vinny.

Let's meet up at the lookout to Canyon Lake, outside Phoenix, say February 18th, 2019. Should be about 80 degrees, The Sun will be shining, the weather will be sweet, and the girls will want to be moving their dancin feet.

Z said...

Kid..."dancin' feet?" :-)

Kid said...

Z, The good foot dance baby... Oh yea. Nothing but joy.

Elmers Brother said...

Still have it

Anonymous said...

Gmail just pulled a shitty deal on me...I'm going to delete all my Gmail accounts..they're too goddamn nosy and want to much info....those nosy bastards in San Jose.


"but I'd guess yes..."

And you'd be 100% correct. Same for Virginia. Vermont amd quite a few other states.

These states see 2A as the only "permit" they need.

But of course..the lib turds must think that thousands must die every day cause of open carry. And of course they don't want to admit....that no one fooks around with you when you do open carry...gee...I wonder why?

Do they understand that a scumbag, coward would rather run...then face an armed citizen?

Of course in those "hip" states...that deny you 2A....they're horrified.

Not realizing that a scumbag...has to think twice.

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Lisa said...

It's late and I enjoyed these comments. I just wanted to end on a funny note. Brent Bozell said on Hannity tonite that Chris Matthews would carry Obama's next child for him if he could.
I will comment on the content of the post after a good night's sleep.
Kid ,Imp and Pris awesome as usual.
FT-The Sandy similarities pretty interesting.

Ducky's here said...

So, Ducky, then I guess you are cheerleading for Der Fuhrer Bloomberg's police state?

Bite me, Silver. You know damn well what I think of that freaking dim bulb's preemptive policing.

Ducky's here said...

"The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6... and injured more than 680 people.

The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.

The bomb was estimated to have caused at least $652 million worth of damage.

And $4 box-cutters led to the death of 3000 people...Next?

And int both cases immediate controls were implemented and we have not seen a reoccurrence.

Fringe right thought, fish in a barrel.


JonBerg said...

From the Denver Post, read about Propane Bombs:

Also cinsider what can be done and has been done with fertilizer and fuel oil and Oklahoma City. Well, if that isn't enough how about such as John Gacey and Ted Bundy, just to name a couple, where there were no explosives or firearms involved. Banning firearms will do absoutley nothing to eliminate the bad elements of our society. Firearms are, however, one of our best means of defence aganist our inability to adequately control such elements.

beamish said...

Illegalizing guns will get them off the streets. Let's illegalize crack cocaine and meth too.


Brooke said...

Yeah, and murder was already illegal in the gun free zone in Conn., too.


Here is a little educational video for Ducky.

There is a bit of language, so I hope his tender ears aren't singed.

Elmers Brother said...

That's right all of us have used fertilizer for personal protection..

Non Sequitur

Elmers Brother said...

Because you know, too many government controls on our Constitutional right to own fertilizer....

Next fallacy please

Elmers Brother said...

Me thinks thou dost protest too much

Z said...


Elbro, sadly, FOX watchers are the only ones learning this morning how quickly the Obama's are shoving through hundreds of bills without the normal sixty day period for politicians and companies to review them, something Clinton had implemented to keep things on the up and up.'s 30 days now and, in some cases 24 days, including they need to voice disapproval the day after Christmas.

obama's thugs are working overtime while we're planning Christmas, folks. I wish we could get more details. I wish CNN was an honest news venue and more would hear about this.

This is really becoming a dictatorship and even FOX, as they give this information, is smiling for ratings. Hideous

Anonymous said...


beamish said...

Ban guns in America, but give the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt some f-16 fighter jets?

beamish said...

Number of physicians in America: 700,000

Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year: 120,000

Accidental deaths per physician: 0.171

Number of gun owners in America: 80,000,000

Number of accidental gun deaths per year: 1500

Number of accidental deaths per gun owner: 0.0000188

Statistically speaking, owning a gun is 9000 times safer than seeing a doctor.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

When i closed up my blog, i predicted that they would come for your guns. The line in the sand has been drawn, let's see if there are any Americans left to try and hold that line. They are coming.

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