Knowing that there are some who think HEROES are made from revealing American secrets which can have repercussions on our security, do you think JOY BEHAR voted for her?
And, maybe this will put an end to the types of answers we've heard before from beauty queens, like "I WOULD LIKE WORLD PEACE FOR EVERYONE IN OUR COUNTRY!" :-)
z
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The next Christine O'Donnell, we're saved.
I never watch this sexist garbage and she looks trampish. Probably slept with one of the idiot judges to get voted in as "Miss America." That is how it really works, always has and will as long as women choose to allow themselves to be the objects of men.
me xo
Oops, Layla, my point was that she's pretty smart! I haven't watched one for years and it's nice to know they've got a thinker ... must be conservative.
Looks like she might be wearing a blond wig. Her hair color doesn't seem to go with her coloring or her features.
I've never been especially interested in the Miss America Pageant, but it's never repelled me either. It's hardly high culture, and certainly not aimed at scholars, sociologists and deep thinkers, but it's been part of the American pop culture scene for a very long time, and as such warrants our acceptance if not our devotion.
I see it as harmless fluff at worst. To characterize it as "sexist garbage" seems unduly harsh, and frankly smacks of far-left Feminazi rhetoric. If woman are not creatures designed by god to attract men -- and vice versa -- what would they be? Doorknobs? Chandeliers? Sports cars? Computers?
Oh WAIT! I know! They're meant to be Professors of "Women's Studies, aren't they?"
At any rate, if the new Miss America said something that needed to be said, good for her -- no matter what her motives may have been.
"Out of the mouths of babes ..." And HOW!!! ;-)
~ FT
Addendum ...
While dopey participants in Beauty Pageants might wish for "World Peace for everyone in the USA," the average guy will tell you, "Hey! I'm just trying to get a little PIECE -- so back off." ;-)
~ FT
I'm surprised the judges went for any kind of thought non-prog!
"Oh WAIT! I know! They're meant to be Professors of "Women's Studies, aren't they?"
SLAAAAAAPPPPP!! I LOVE IT!
And yes I am surprised that her comments were even heard on TV much less accepted by the judges.
An no, I have not watched a Miss America pageant in over 20 years.
Damn, did the Pats stink or what. Glad I'm a baseball fan.
DUck,
The next Christine O'Donnell, we're saved.
I really don't know where you get this stuff. You just must be too intelligent for me.
Z, I think the pageants are so phony any more that they are not worth watching. Most of these girls do plastic surgery, etc.
"That is how it really works, always has and will as long as women choose to allow themselves to be the objects of men."
Layla, I hate to tell you this, but whether women allow it or not, they always will be objects of men.
So, my question is, what's wrong with that? Seems pretty natural to me.
Furthermore, if they're pretty and sexy, do they somehow disqualify themselves as worthy? I don't think so.
Pris
Just wanted to point out that the comment by the winner was pretty stunning and pretty subversive for libs like Joy Behar, one of the judges.
I got the impression you all thought I sat glued to the TV :-) Found it on Yahoo news headlines...
She's only 17, that's pretty weird.
I got interested in this girl earlier today myself and I agree that her statement was remarkably intelligent for these things. Very possibly a burgeoning conservative voice. She said she's going to register independent to vote when she turns 18 but her mind is conservative it seems to me. Hooray for us. And did she or did she not point straight up when she one, as if to thank the Lord? This is one girl to watch I think, the youngest to win the pageant since 1938 and remarkably poised in every picture I saw of her, both physically and verbally.
That's WON, not "one."
Z, I think you may have opened a can of worms here. ;-)
I didn't watch the pageant, but it is good if she is indeed informed on political issues.
I'm going to go off on this tangent, I hope you don't mind.
I agree with Layla (big surprise) that pageants are objectifying women (in a degrading way). I realize that some people see pageants as a way to highlight female beauty, but why the bikinis and high heels? I know why, of course.
And no, FT, I don't think every woman's calling is to be a womens' studies professor. It's silly to say that if you don't support this kind of "entertainment" then you must be a left-wing feminazi. That is flat-out stupid.
Men will objectify women regardless...women will objectify men. There's nothing inherantly wrong with "objectifying" anybody, if it's done with the honorable intentions. But to hold beauty pageants up as the gold standard for little girls to emulate is irresponsible and dangerous.
And no, I'm not a bitter, unattractive woman. ;-) Oh, and I've never attended a SINGLE womens' studies course. :P
Did you see where one of the victims of the left-wing psycho Jared Loughner has been committed to a psychiatric ward for observation after making death threats to a Tea Party activist during one of Christiane Amanpour's town hall shows.
That's right. James Eric Fuller, the gunshot-victim-cum-media-darling who was on the verge of becoming the delusional voice for the left's "Sarah Palin rhetoric caused Loughner to go ding-dong" has himself succumbed to the entirely ubiquitous left-wing urge to make death threats. He couldn't hold it together, snapping a photo of a Tea Party activist with a cellphone camera and yelling "You're dead!"
And yes, I blogged it.
As long time readers of Z's
blog can attest, even regular leftist commenter Ducky has advanced his psychosis to the point of verbalizing threats on Andrew Breitbart.
An ugly truth in America has been uncovered, and it's rather frightening to me that everyone in my neighborhood with Obama stickers still on their cars are entirely quite probably and likely to be plotting to engage in mass murder.
I do not agree that we should all assume this seventeen-year-old young lady had sexual intercourse with a judge in order to win. For one thing, she is jail bait, that hopefully that would protect her somewhat. The standard of beauty in modern America involves the wearing of makeup and the strutting of "stuff". That will look trampish to some, but it is how these ladies are judged in this particular contest.
I agree that it is surprising that a conservative lady slipped through to the winners' circle.
I'm just glad we've not seen Miss America contestants that look like they just got out of prison with sleeve tattoos and enough ring piercings in their faces to hang a shower curtain.
Femininity is beautiful, especially in females.
I agree with Jen and Layla to the extent that I don't think women should be parading across a stage nearly naked. It IS degrading. It's also so taken for granted in American life hardly anyone notices. Shouldn't happen on stage, shouldn't happen on the movie screen or the TV either, or on the red carpet etc. etc. etc.
But for purposes of this discussion I simply focused on what I can tell about the girl's qualities that won her the crown and I agree with Z that she comes across very well.
I just hope some scandal isn't going to surface now the way it so often does with beauty queens. She is only seventeen but even young teenagers are doing things my generation never heard of until we were middle-aged.
When women stoop to making mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks, it's a sure sign they've been co-opted by the feminazis -- whether they realize it or not.
The culture has coarsened so dramatically in the past fifty years that even many who think of themselves as 'conservative' today have unconsciously adopted modes of speech and behavior unthinkable to decent, well-bred, properly educated people before the culture went completely berserk in the 1960's.
If appearing in public in a bathing suit os indecent, I guess we should make women go back to wearing whalebone corsets, long skirts and long sleeved blouses buttoned up to the neck. Bathing machines would then be a woman's only access to seawater.
Isn't there a happy medium out there somewhere?
~ FreeThinke
I heard one of the contestant wore a one-piece "for religious reasons"...did anybody else hear that?
I, too, don't see the purpose of such tiny bikinis or the fact that everyone looks like they're wearing the same makeup applied by the same makeup artist....like plastic dolls.
I JUST THOUGHT that what she said was terrific !:-)
When women stoop to making mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks, it's a sure sign they've been co-opted by the feminazis --
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So what do you call men who make mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks?
So what do you call men who make mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks?
Stand Up Comics (mostly from the Borscht Belt, I might add ;-)
~ FT
Hey! Miss America 2011 is planning to attend Patrick Henry College, a Christian college.
I heard her interviewed on Fox News today. She does seem intelligent.
FT,
Do you wipe your shoes before you walk down your throat?
I don't watch these things either, but I'd prefer seeing a beauty contest to seeing young girls wearing bustieres as tops, coming out of the HS gate!
I saw plenty of this as I picked up my grandson at school everyday.
It seems to me given remarks here, that these contestants are being objectified as stupid bimbos and tramps, by other women. Doesn't seem quite fair to me.
Pris
I was wrong when I first responded to this question.
So what do you call men who make mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks?
The right answer obviously is BEAMISH.
~ FreeThinke
I'm not a pre-dominantly Jewish comedian, FeebThinky. You can hate me for something else.
Aw come on, beamish, FT nailed it! He didn't call you a Jewish comedian, merely applied the terms aptly to your style of posting.
Uh, just noticed, not a PREDOMINANTLY Jewish comedian? Like maybe a partially Jewish comedian?
Sorry, Faith. I'm just one of the willing capitalist accomplices of the alien invasion that cryptoleftist Ron Paul supporters are trying to stop. Despite Glenn Beck's Mormon efforts to say otherwise, my Cherokee ancestors weren't Israelites or Jews either, nor were they cursed by God with darker skin.
I do appreciate the comparison to "Borscht Belt" stand up comedians, but really, my public speaking skills aren't that refined.
I repeat:
The culture has coarsened so dramatically in the past fifty years that even many who think of themselves as 'conservative' today have unconsciously adopted modes of speech and behavior unthinkable to decent, well-bred, properly educated people before the culture went completely berserk in the 1960's.
Self-evident to those who have known better days, I should think.
To put it as delicately as possible: Manure by any other name still emits a foul odor, but discussing this phenomenon in the vernacular makes it seem even more odious and less agreeable.
Meanwhile, I thank Pris for her astute, ladylike criticism and sage observations.
~ FreeThinke
The culture has coarsened so dramatically in the past fifty years that even many who think of themselves as 'conservative' today have unconsciously adopted modes of speech and behavior unthinkable to decent, well-bred, properly educated people before the culture went completely berserk in the 1960's.
Unless of course those who mistakenly think of themselves as "conservatives" begin to preach or advance the delusional idea of the existence of secret conspiracies and hidden agendas by nefarious "others" (usually Jews) that a well bred, properly indoctrinated master race should guard itself against.
Then the tin foil comes off to reveal a mendacious white supremacist neo-Nazi left-wing socialist agitator, or a Ron Paul supporter for short.
If the jackboots fit...
I'll confess to mouthy, flippant, and sarcastic, but calling me insulting is over the top.
Calling out crypto-leftist Ron Paul supporters on their ubiquitous yuk-yuk nod-and-wink anti-Semitism and conspiracy theory-fueled national socialism economics is no more insulting than taking a table to task for being a piece of furniture.
What I lack in politically correct manners is more than adequately made up for in speaking truth.
....men who make mouthy, flippant, sarcastic, insulting remarks?
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FT, you can't have it both ways.
If a woman is a feminazi for being "mouthy" then the conservative movement might as well phone it in.
Women make things happen.
We don't have to be rude to get things done.
Men who can't handle "mouthy" women have their own issues, in my NOT-SO-HUMBLE-OPINION.
Labeling those you feel threatened by is a sign of weakness.
It makes me sick how quickly people who call themselves "conservatives" will toss around "feminazi" or some other such patronizing, insulting terms.
I guess a good question would be, who HERE are the "feminazis"?
Anyone who disagrees with the status quo?
Forgive them, Father, they know not what they say,
~ FT
FT....words of CHrist?
wow
The answer I was expecting from you, FT, was "No, I don't wipe my feet when I walk down my throat, much less merely put my foot in my mouth."
Goosestep on now. Your number's been called.
It seems to me given remarks here, that these contestants are being objectified as stupid bimbos and tramps, by other women. Doesn't seem quite fair to me.
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Pris, I'm not judging the contestants as bimbos. I'm looking for better days when we hold up women like Condoleeza Rice and Marie Curie as our female role models. We place too much emphasis on outer appearances in our society and pay pitiful little attention to the development of character.
Jen, I'm simply saying, that to confuse good looks with lack of substance, is unfair.
Would Sarah Palin be taken more seriously if she wasn't so pretty? Would Ducky refer to her as Barbie if she was more plain looking?
This kind of bias has been around forever, and mostly, I'm sorry to say, it comes from women.
I believe a little girl's role model is her mother, and the way her mother and father influence her is what matters. They set the standards, not a once a year beauty pageant.
Pris
I totally agree, Pris. The fact that Ducky calls Palin "Barbie" simply reveals his misogyny.
That we DO assume that attractive women are less intelligent is proof that our society values appearance over substance. In my experience I don't see it coming from women more than men. I tend to see women "banning together" more often instead of pulling each other down.
I used to listen to our local sports radio talk show, but comments like "she's a lawyer? Damn! She's hot AND smart!?!" just got to be too much. I see and hear that crap all the time around here....from other women? not so much.
And I totally agree....mom is a girl's number one role model.
If she turns out to be a conservative, like frowning upon baby-killing and gays, she'll be much loathed by the womens-rights left, that's for sure. Doesn't take much to set off their hatred and bigotry.
Pris,
I'm afraid leftists think only women who tend to resemble Eleanor Roosevelt, Molly Yard, Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, Carry Nation and Hillary Clinton could have any real "substance."
Gloria Steinem seemed to be a notable exception, but remember how she did everything possible to de-emphasize her natural beauty and promote an image of herself as a deadly serious, hard-bitten, fault-finding, fast-aging spinster. She refused to wear lipstick, did nothing with her hair and acted as though men were an abomination unto the Lord -- or a necessary evil at best.
Women have always had tremendous influence, but traditionally they worked behind the scenes charming and cajoling men to do their bidding. And there's a great deal of truth in the adage "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."
Today's women have adopted a combative, pugnacious, humorless, hyper-critical, boldly competitive approach that frankly obliterates their femininity.
I'm not one of Sarah Palin's fans. She is good looking, but I don't admire her style -- or lack thereof. I don't blame her for capitalizing on the publicity the media gave her in their thuggish attempt to destroy her chances for success early on. I think that's pretty neat, but I have a hard time imagining that her vulgar exhibitionism and strident tone of voice should ever be regarded as "presidential."
All that aside, your point is very well taken about Ducky's sarcastic reference to Sarah as "Barbie." If Sarah looked and sounded more like Eleanor Roosevelt, neither Ducky nor anyone else could possibly make such a quip. But then her detractors lampooned Eleanor's buck teeth and lofty, high-pitched rhetoric unmercifully in those faraway days, didn't they? Being held up to ridicule is inevitable whenever anyone makes him or her self prominent.
At any rate there's a lamentable tendency today among women to equate aggressiveness, bossiness, humorlessness, tactlessness, combativeness and sarcasm with "character." Sorry, but I don't think so.
Before I go I have to say it continues to astonish me how often an observation intended to be of general interest to "the reading public" is so often taken as some kind of personal attack in internet chat rooms -- and how tremendously eager some people are to take umbrage and engage in a quarrel.
I guess the net has become the place where one can articulate what one would not dare to say in face-to-face contact in real life. The phenomenon is very like road rage, I think.
~ FreeThinke
I guess the net has become the place where one can articulate what one would not dare to say in face-to-face contact in real life. The phenomenon is very like road rage, I think.
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This is a great observation, and it's unfortunate. I've tried very hard over the past year or so to not say anything online that I wouldn't say face to face. It's very good practice, both for me to control my reactions, and to practice speaking up for myself when appropriate.
Sometimes I get it right, and sometimes I fail miserably.
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