Thursday, January 26, 2012

Alan West...another reason I'd vote for him for anything

Allen West on the Marines Incident: 'Shut Your Mouth, War Is Hell'
1:37 PM, Jan 13, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines' video, and has given us permission to publish it. (Z: the 'marine's video' isn't a video but an article by Wm Kristol)

“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.

“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?

“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.

“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”  (end story)

And, from the article by Wm Kristol, who wonders why the Republican candidates aren't addressing this situation, there's this:

If they need some reassurance as to where public opinion might be, they can take a look at the results of a poll on the website of, yes, the Washington Post. The question is, “What was your reaction to the video that appeared to show Marines urinating on three Afghan corpses?”
So far, with over 20,000 votes cast, here's how the responses break down:
It's an unacceptable desecration - 11 percent
It's an embarrassment - 7 percent
It's not surprising -- things like this happen in war - 82 percent
z: Maybe all Americans haven't gone soft on America and her fighting men and women.  I hope so.
(thanks, Mustang)


Ducky's here said...

The troops that went wild in Haditha, killing civilians, didn't receive much more than Section 15.

Something not right here.

Z said...

Thank goodness!!

I know you hate it when Marines, hungry, tired, hot, and crazed from being attacked and seeing their friends blown apart in front of their eyes do anything but stellar behavior..But I believe in their sentences and know the court would have come down harder had they felt it was warranted.

I hated it when Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg were beheaded and I'd have liked to have seen the monsters who could do this get life...or death. I'd stick up for our kids any day.

Ducky's here said...

Hell, all they did was kill ragheads.

Hardly a crime at all. Shoot 'em like dogs. They're not even Christians.

Z said...

Really? That's what you get from what I wrote?

First, we don't call people "ragheads" here and we don't kill people just because they're not Christians...unlike the muslims you're constantly protecting over our own.

Maybe, some day, we'll be able to get terrorists whose religion teaches them beheading is honorable for the cause, and maybe we can bring them to trial. Right now, it's our guys given the kid gloves ('don't shoot into mosques because that's not respectful' even though their buddies are being shot at FROM inside mosques, etc etc) and the enemy can hide with no uniform, no decency and a heart that can behead joyously while smiling into a video.

You weigh that and blame our kids first. NOBODY thinks anybody innocent should die, Ducky; I'd have thought that's something I didn't have to say, that it's a given.

Elmers Brother said...

Most of them were found innocent duhkkkster. Why aren't you complianing about what the terrorists do to our troops? You do know duhkkleberry that they cut the genitals off of out troops and shove them in their mouths before beheading? Where's the hue and cry from people like you?

That's what I thought.

Sorry about the graphic description Z.

Elmers Brother said...

it's an Article 15, non-judicial punishment dingleberry not a Section 15.

Z said...

Elbro, no problem.
As you can see in my comments, that's exactly my point....the HORRIBLENESS of what those people can do to ours should be roundly criticized yet here we have people who'll stand up for muslims over Marines any day.
thanks for the clarification on the sentencing.

Elmers Brother said...

Duhkkky it's called due process, you know innocent until proven prefer just the Marines involved in the Haditha incident were punished guilty or not. Typical totalitarian.

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Anonymous said...

"didn't receive much more than Section 15.."

Unlike the section 8 you received right duckturd?

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Z said...

I'd really like to disagree here without quite so much of the ugly name calling, etc., okay?
thanks (I know, it's hard :-)

Kid said...

Z, Be sure and come back to the Joe post and click on at least the Tommy Emmanuel link in the comments. :)
I'm sure you'll enjoy. Very special tune and one that I think of whenever I think of loved ones that have passed on. Always chokes me up.

Kid said...

Allen West is the kind of people we need directing America.

Z said...

Kid, you're so right about West.

And you're so right about T Emmanuel and Joe , too.......thanks, I just listened and commented...super.
Yes, "Somewhere.." is a very touching song; no doubt about it. :-)

SCdottr2012 said...

Worst case;
these marines acted in a way that doesn't reflect well on their decision making abilties at that moment in time. They are trained professionals.

On the other hand:
I have not been in the situations these men have. People who have -tell me it is extradordinary to be shot at and missed..does something to you.

Now, these were dead TALIBAN , right? Intolerant and evil , committing God knows what on the weak and innocent in that country.
Some say they were enemy.

I say these corpses were lucky that a little urine was all that got aimed at them.
SCdottr 2012

Ticker said...

Been there and wanted to do a heck of a lot worse to Charlie or the NVA who had destroyed a village, raping the women, raping the village chiefs wife and daughter in front of him, cutting his daughter womb open and dragging her unborn child out and mutilating it in front of him before disemboweling him, cutting his genitals off and stuffing them in his mouth. The Charlie and some of the NVA who did this were caught the next day. The village held a trial, convicted them and they were summarily executed.. beaten,hanged, shot and left for the critters to eat. I would have done much worse than piss on em given the opportunity but I was too busy cleaning up their mess and trying to patch up the survivors who had fled to the jungle.
So get off the Marines backs. Give them a reprimand and shut the hell up just as West said.

And Duckbutt, shut the hell up.You aint'been there and you ain't done that. You don't have a clue!

Anonymous said...'re not fit to eat the corn out of this mans shit. Piss on west?

Apologies to Z. This little turd should be blessed and doused in West's piss. He wasn't "booted" either you JO. He took an article 15 and fined $5K.

West retired...retired you scumbag liar....with his full rank and benefits. He might have been disgusted with all the JAG fags that don't know one end of an AK from their butts.

"Furthermore, a letter supporting West was signed by 95 members of Congress and sent to the Secretary of the Army."

Certainly not by dem rats traitor pukes like you.

Z said...

Imp, I didn't want that on my blog because poor Lib'mann' is so ill informed and embarrassing his poor self.
thanks for straightening him out, only writing this now so people know you're responding to a comment that I deleted.

Dottr, I've seen the video of the soldiers supposedly peeing on the Taliban and ....they weren't, by the way. It's pretty amazingly clear with blurs over their 'parts' but it's clear that's not happening for many looks like he's posturing that he's doing it, but nope.

Tick; a reprimand is exactly right.

KP said...

Some of the more angry posts give me pause. They remind me of "Lord of the Flies".

KP said...

Z: "I've seen the video of the soldiers supposedly peeing on the Taliban and ....they weren't, by the way."

I can't tell for sure but my first impressions are that I agree with you Z. This was not helpful and they should be reprimanded.

KP said...

Ticker, thank you for your service.

Anonymous said...

Like I apologies.

But this is why guys like Newt and Trump get popular support. BECAUSE they're sick and tired of taking the so called "high road". Bending over for our the creeps and the snots that deride us for our beliefs...for our values when they have none.

There's a very uncivil war being waged every day...not just on Christmas...but every day in our our our our dens of hostility called colleges.

duck and the libturd are the very symbols of the sickness and perversity that is smothering AMERICA IN FILTH AND LIES.

Always On Watch said...

Did these Marines really urinate on the corpses? See THIS.

Z said...

KP, AOW has posted the video here....look again; it's really difficult to imagine they're all urinating....they're just not.
The one on the left looks a little like he'd LOVE to, see nothing!

Imp, that is exactly right. TRUMP'S phenomenal rise in popularity when he was considering running was strictly due to the fact that he puts up with NO GUFF and TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.

Honestly, I think ANYBODY WHO SPOKE LIKE THAT could take the election. Romney finally broke out a bit in last night's debate....not taking Newt's guff.

Santorum did very well; that guy knows what he's talking about on a lot of subjects.
AMericans are hungry for the truth, hungry for someone with CONFIDENCE and a TOUGHNESS THAT'S NOT MEAN. Newt shows nothing but an ugly side to his personality ; his 'ugly' just doesn't come off.

A Pissed Off Irishman said...

Ducky's here said...
The troops that went wild in Haditha, killing civilians, didn't receive much more than Section 15.
Something not right here.

what would a liberal coward like you know about it?
next time your in trouble call a community organizer.
PS, I agree with what Z said,

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "Hell, all they did was kill ragheads."

He's shown great contempt for Middle Easterners before, so I am not surprised that Ducky uses racist language against them.

Thankfully, in reality, our troops have gone over there and saved hundreds of thousands of lives. That's how much higher the death toll would have been had the Taliban and Saddam stayed in power.

Liberalmann said...

West is a disgrace to the uniform. Leave it to an idiot like him to make such a statement.

Kid said...

I don't usually feed the monkeys but it can be fun sometimes getting them to swing around their cage squealing and throwing feces ;-]

They love to display their ignorance. Wear it like a badge of honor.

Elmers Brother said...

What do You know about wearing the uniform liberaldude?

MK said...

"It's not surprising -- things like this happen in war"


"First, we don't call people "ragheads""

Yes buy ducky does, the racist ratbag.

"The troops that went wild in Haditha...."

Yes, yes, they went on a cold-blooded murder spree..... ease off the crack son. It'll help with the hysterical fantasies.

net observer said...

This is a point of relatively insignificant ambivalence for me.

If you're representing America, you're representing me. If you're representing Somalia, you're not representing me. Ergo, fundamentally, I would prefer that MY military not engage in such puerile behavior.

And contrary to West's statement, I'm not sure that getting shot at would necessarily change my mind. We all tend to be more outraged when "our folks" engage in behavior that falls beneath us.

But having said that, in real terms, the central purpose of any military is death and destruction; and if we accept that, it shouldn't shock any of us to see our young men and women, occasionally, engage in this kind of behavior.

They are only human. They are trained to treat our enemies like real enemies. That's the way it's supposed to be.

Any military that doesn't treat its enemies like real enemies is probably something short of a military.

Note to KP:

I saw your rather flattering question, "Do I have a blog/book/etc?"

I do not. Many years ago, I wrote an extended piece for this black conservative magazine with a fairly substantial circulation. But that's as far as I've ever taken this secret hobby.

I do sometimes fantasize about punditry and that sort of thing. But I know myself too well. I do not have the patience nor the time to rummage through all the news and opinion out there to deliver an ongoing, diverse stream of well-informed opinions. One intense month would burn me out for good =)

But I certainly enjoy using Z's blog as my gym, so to speak. (I'm not sure if she always likes it =))

Whenever I feel like blabbering on and on with zero responsibilities and zero consequences, I always end up here =)

Z said...

Net, I'll dream up some consequences for ya :-)
"I would prefer that MY military not engage in such puerile behavior."

I hope nobody feels differently than that. But, yes...our kids are being shot at, almost forced to read Mirandas to those who want them dead and don't have to play by the rules to get them dead, they can't shoot into mosques while their buddy's getting killed next to them from inside's hot as hell there, they're lonely and scared witless; and our media's usually singling our kids out to slam for the slightest infraction.

Ya, I can see how they go very badly nuts from time to time. You can't believe the atrocities I've read about from all sides in the two World Wars...but our kids go to jail.
disgusting. Who'd enlist??

Kid said...

Z, Net, How about this?