Tuesday, January 17, 2012

Who won last night's debate?

There are some comments on the debate in the post below this (from last night, which you might want to read and weigh in, too, by the way), but I'd like to see who you thought did the best in the debate last night in S. Carolina and why...........


Silverfiddle said...

I don't know, but the GOP is on a losing streak with this lineup...

Anonymous said...

NEWT....he was the only one that was focused and didn't stutter ( Romney ).

Z said...

SF, and I thought they all had the best grasp on every single topic than any debate team on any side of the aisle last night...surprisingly so.

Imp...Newt did well last night. I just can't stand the guy.

IntolerantCynicami said...

I hate to say it but maybe Obama did.
Other that that possibility I'd say that Newt did.

soapster said...

No-one. Regardless, it was the most morally repugnant thing I have seen yet this year.

I don't know what was worse. Romney admitting he'd have signed the NDAA with the indefinite detention provision or the booing of the golden rule.

Silverfiddle said...

Z: I didn't watch the debate, but I still wanted to chime in... :)

Chuck said...

I did not watch the debate but seeing clips this morning on the news, I have to say Romney.


Because I think the primary is all but over, barring a big turn around by someone else.

With this in mind, he did what he had to do, not lose.

For the rest it appeared to be too little too late.

Perry? He's toast, he's just not smart enough to know when to quit.

Santorum? He wasted too much time and too much money in irrelevant Iowa to even be taken seriously.

Gingrich? Burnt too many bridges in the GOP. I don't think he was ever really a true threat.

Paul? Is he still in?

I don't say this because I am huge Romney fan, just my two-cents worth.

Bunkerville said...

I would say it was one of the better ones. Romney could lock any of us up, so count me out on that one. So now, just who does that leave me with??

Anonymous said...

Z...what's the problem with NG? I know he's not as pretty as the other 4...but...I voted for McPain and hated him too....but I voted for him just the same.

Joe said...

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing them go after each other.

I would much rather each of them proactively state clearly what their own positions are on each issue.

Moderator: What would you do if Iran developed "the bomb?"

Candidate: I would blow Iran off the map.

Moderator: Well the guy next to you just said he would institute sanctions to pressure them to dismantle their weapons.

Candidate: I wasn't talking about him and his policies. You asked me what I would do. I would blow them off the map.

As it is, we really don't have an inkling what any of them would do, 'cause they're too busy chopping each other to pieces.

Z said...

Imp, I think NG is unelectable; he did a fantastic job last night, no doubt about it, I LOVE how he so well takes on the media, etc., and so well tells the truth, but there's something in that guy that bugs me and I don't want "Calista and I" to run our gov't, either.

Intolerant, you didn't think they ALL had far better ideas than Obama?

SF,that's funny! and perfectly understandable!

Chuck, Santorum showed a lot last night; he seems to have as good a graps as NG on a lot of the subjects; he was impressive, the most of all his appearances, in my opinion.

Bunkerville...I think Romney made a good point about the lock up thing, though. Did NG have an opinion on that?

Joe...it seemed to me that they did do a little more of what you hoped for last night, no? They all really did seem to voice their opinions on all the subjects and a little less than on Obama; tho I didn't watch the entire thing, that was the impression I got.

FairWitness said...

Hi Z, no question Newt Gingrich won the debate. Romney's performance was really bad, lots of hemming and hawing and stumbling over words. Ron Paul was rambling incoherent babbling. Rick Santorum was strong, but some of his arguments are weak. Rick Perry was strong, too. I do think Newt Gingrich is electable because Barack Obama is such a dismal failure. No way is this incompetent reelected.

As Judge Mark Levin said this morning that he'd vote for a can of concentrated orange juice against Obama.

Ducky's here said...

America lost

Anonymous said...

"America lost"..

Time for you to join baldwin, robbins and sarandon in france then? Ooooppps...I forgot.

Jarheads Blog said...

Somebody asked me why I have so many problems with Ron Paul.
I could sum it up in one sentence.

Because I don't want another IDIOT running and ruining my country.

Sidbirt said...

Face it, whether you are a Ron Paul supporter or not, he did absolutely awful in this debate. Now all the Paul cultists are trying to explain away, much the same way Paul routinely explains away the actions of terrorists, that the audience was planted by Fox News to boo Ron Paul, that he was strategically placed on the end, and that there is a grand conspiracy by the media to shut him up.
As for Ron Paul zombies on these boards, I have never seen such a disgusting lot of morons in my life. They call themselves Libertarians, another term for the imbeciles who call themselves Wall St Occupiers. like cult followers in all my life. It is borderline insanity anymore. I know I am not the only one who thinks this way. Just look at some of the comments om the web. Just read them. Unbelievable. I have heard Ron Paul supporters attack every single conservative in the United States. I have heard Ron Paul supporters attack every voice for conservatism in this country. Beck. Hannity. Limbaugh. Boortz. Levin. Savage. O'Reilly. Granted, these people are by no means perfect. But they aren't our enemy. Wake up fools, it’s Obama that we must defeat. I have seen harsher words from Ron Paul supporters towards these people than Obama supporters. And these people are supposedly the Republican party?! How about fellow conservatives in government? We already see the vicious attacks within the current GOP race. And Soapy, I remember you when I ran a blog under another name when you wouldn’t support McCain. And as bad as he was, that gave us Barack Omama. Ever hear of the best of the worse. Well we got the worst of the worse.

soapster said...

"I have heard Ron Paul supporters attack every single conservative in the United States. I have heard Ron Paul supporters attack every voice for conservatism in this country. Beck. Hannity. Limbaugh. Boortz. Levin. Savage. O'Reilly. Granted, these people are by no means perfect. But they aren't our enemy. Wake up fools, it’s Obama that we must defeat."

To be fully awake is to think independently and objectively and critically about the state of affairs. Rattling off a handful of pundits and talk radio personalities doesn't bode well for such independence at all but instead shows one's propensity towards conformity. All of the individuals you listed do not want you to think for yourself. They want you to become a dittohead, be Hannitized, or step into the No Spin zone.

Secondly, Obama is merely a symptom of a much larger cancer. Getting rid of him, while a noble endeavor, doesn't remove the tumor.

Ticker said...

Newt won the debate and showed that he can take on anyone on any subject and win. He was the "old Newt" last night, speaking straight forth and with more conviction than I have heard hims speak with since the beginning of this process.
The 'old guard " want's Romney as the winner. The think "it's his time". Well they said it was McCain's time last time too and see what happened?
No, Romney is not a forgone conclusion as winner. Saint Santorum will soon be out and the far right will have no place to go other than Newt and that will push him over the top for the nomination. If Romney takes it, the far right will do just as they did in the last election and stay at home and we will have 4 more of Obama. Put it on the calender and circle it with red so you can go back and read it in November, "if Romney is nominated Obama wins"

soapster said...

My guess is that all-star lineup will continue preconditioning their listeners to accept Romney as the nominee (to say they aren't already).

Gee..can't imagine why that would be.


Sidbirt said...

Soapy said:
"They want you to become a dittohead, be Hannitized, or step into the No Spin zone."

Go ahead and call me a a "dittohead" if you think that name-calling could convince anyone here, give it all you have! Obviously you cannot take any heat.
I'm sick of him and the brain dead zombie idiots who follow him. . ...
.Dittohead, Hannitized, Spin Zone,
What the hecak, all of the above would be better than a Cone-headed, Zombie, misguided fool. Ron Paul and army of zombie's who follow him do not represent America, they are a bunch of foolish anti-Semitic, anti-gay, bigoted, lunatic.
I'll never forget or forgive him for saying the things that he said just after the 9/11 attacks, that killed 3,000 Americans, Ron Paul blamed America for the attacks.
Why don't you remind every one that n 2009, Ron Paul said even the Nazi Holocaust was not sufficient cause for interventionism. Is that who we want to be our President? "No, I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t risk American lives to [end the Holocaust]."
Ron Paul believes in pretty much every crackpot conspiracy theory I've ever heard., including 9-11.
That's just my two cents.
Ron Paul is an idiot. Now you and the rest of Ron Paul’s army of zombies can tell me why I’m wrong, and I'll tell you that I don't give a hoot what you say..
PS, the democrats would love to see Paul as the nominee, Obama would win without coming back from his vacation.

soapster said...

I don't expect this resonate with you in the least but what the hell, I've got some free time here at the office while this processing does it's thing...

"Ron Paul and army of zombie's who follow him do not represent America, they are a bunch of foolish anti-Semitic, anti-gay, bigoted, lunatic."

anti-Semitism: Ron Paul was a sitting member of congress in 1981 when Israel bombed the nuclear sites in Iraq. Whereas the Reagan administration AND the U.N. condemned them for the attack, Ron Paul supported their right and sovereignty to do so. What's more, he has Jewish campaign staffers but you probably wouldn't know that because the campaign isn't into identity politics and exploiting that for political appeasement or gain.

anti-gay: Really? I mean seriously...really? Case you hadn't noticed, it isn't Ron Paul who has advocated an amendment to the Constitution defining marriage as between one man and one woman. The anti-gay candidates would be primarily Bachmann (who has dropped out) and Santorum.

bigoted: Hmm...I've never encountered a bigot who is sympathetic to other interest groups and who was willing to put up $100 of his own money for a gold medal for Rosa Parks.

lunatic: No response necessary to ad hominem.

Mizz Anonymous said...

Soapy, that was spoken like a true Ron Paul supporter, and that ain't saying much! .
A load of nonsense. Paul is Pro-Hamas, and that alone would turn me away from him. I now believe that he is anti-Israel.

If Ron Paul stands with Dennis Kucinich, then he stands with ISLAM and a further foothold INTO OUR COUNTRY and a further brutalization of our Constitution I'd suggest that you quit being a pussy and start being a man

Z said...

soapster; it's rather a cheap shot, if you don't mind my saying so, by constantly getting the information people are feeding you about Ron Paul and blaming them for watching too much FOX.

Please stop denigrating my readers: I doubt that ANY of us only watches FOX or reads only rightwing blogs.

Z said...

Mizz A...it is hard to support someone who thinks a lot of Hamas, isn't it.

Sidbirt; picture the debate between Obama and candidate Paul.........a step stool, difference in voice tones...gad. The image is awful.

I do think Ron Paul didn't do too badly last night, I must say...but I can't get past his naive feelings about Hamas, Iran's nukes, etc etc.

Ducky, America's rarely lost as big as it did in November 2008.

Ron Russell said...

Z, that's all that Soapy has. Like all of Ron Pauls supporters. And I agree with you. People who comment on yours blog shouldn't denigrating your readers or the people who have opposing opinions.
Thank you.

Liberalmann said...

Juan Williams, by making Newt look like a fool and no one would disavow his racist statements. It's obvious they're all culpable

Z said...

Lib"mann"....spin till ya win but it wasn't Newt who looked like a damned FOOL, it was Juan Williams.
There's nothing racist about what Newt said unless you're such a racist that you think only black kids should be janitors...is that your opinion? Newt doesn't think that...far from it. Just LISTEN, then comment.

Kid said...

Michele Bachman blew them all away. Unfortunately she was at home on her couch.

They Say/We Say said...

Ron Paul said that the only legal and Constitutional way to get Bin Lauden was with Mark Of Reprisals; which went over the heads of all the stiffs on stage and probably in the audience-including us. Ron Paul says to much in his answers and some only heard bits and peaces, doing his train of thought is his down fall.
Perry said many things that made him a Candidate worth looking at a second time--but, he was made to look like a scatter brain (with his own doing also) that he probably doesn't have a chance.
As we are witnessing from these dog and pony shows mostly headed up by the powers that be have a choice made for us.
Does anyone really think they will let us pick our own Pres.?
Only a Brokered Convention will erupt in the People's Choice.
Remember that the Tea Party Republicans in the House voted for the NDAA or it would not have been signed into law! What happened? Did the Tea Party Republican House Members SELL US OUT?
For the Record--I don't trust Ron Paul either.

Z said...

"Only a Brokered Convention will erupt in the People's Choice.:

I don't know quite what that is, but it sounds good to me, Theysay/wesay.