Wednesday, November 3, 2010

Some very good young Republicans.........

I won't enumerate here but most of you probably realized from last night's wins that there are some very excellent young Republicans coming up in the party (the least of which is certainly NOT Marco Rubio!). Some won last night, guys I'd never heard of before but I've heard them speak a little now and am impressed.  Some are associated with the Tea Party and some are not.   I believe that, to a man/woman, they are more conservative than the previous Republican generation in politics.   Actually, I'm positive of that from what I read and hear.  Would you all agree?

I say this today because it hits me that we need these young politicians, ex football types, ex soldiers, etc., to go into our schools and start talking.    Without UNindoctrinating our kids, all we're doing now to change things for the better in America will be for naught, it'll just be a delay.  Don't forget, I'm of the opinion that George Soros is behind a LOT of our ills and that he's not planned this downturn in two or three years...  I believe that Obama's rising from whatever ashes he arose from is rather startling, that most big publishers don't publish young peoples' autobiographies until they've actually done something, and I believe Americans have a right to know who paid for Harvard, etc, etc. If this Stimulus Package and Health Care Plan had been dumped on his ten years from now, the whole thing might have passed with a lot less notice but, as it is, there are still older Americans alive who remember our greatness, who actually know and understand the constitution, and who love this country enough to know that those two plans are bad for our people.  My point is that our kids have been very slowly but steadily getting an entitlement mentality that will kill America dead in her tracks and this must be untaught.  And soon.

We need young people with great values and character and a deep love of this country to go speak at elementary schools, high schools, colleges, universities, etc. etc.  Now that I typed that, I've got to thinking that some parents may not be happy with those messages but shouldn't those parents be the ones who're intimidated and not US?    And, we need a revisit content in textbooks with people from both sides of the aisle.  We need to stop rewriting history, we probably should even stop revealing every single wrong America's done to very young kids as we do now...though I know that's a big one for my lefty commenters to dig their teeth into with "You want to LIE to the kids!?", etc etc.  No, I want them to see the best of this country and, without seeing the best in their textbooks and from the people around them, they have nothing to fortify themselves with when confronted with some ugly truths as they get older.


Will this be considered RIGHTWING INDOCTRINATION?   Is suggesting kids should get off their bottoms and work, not feel entitled, to understand the Constitution, to actually be taught the virtues of hard work and sacrifice and helping others, etc. considered indoctrination these days?  Is it considered rightwing?

What do you think?

geeeeeeeeeeZ

28 comments:

Craig and Heather said...

Is suggesting kids should get off their bottoms and work, not feel entitled, to understand the Constitution, to actually be taught the virtues of hard work and sacrifice and helping others, etc. considered indoctrination these days? Is it considered rightwing?

Looks to me like you've described the teaching of virtue, personal responsibility and respect for the law of our land. I'd venture to add the need for Christian parents to take more seriously our responsibility to train our children spiritually ;)...but don't see anything wrong with your list.

If "the left" is genuinely opposed to such things, the problem is not so much that it is "anti-American" as it is anti-truth.

H

Always On Watch said...

You stated the ugly long-term truth, Z:

Without UNindoctrinating our kids, all we're doing now to change things for the better in America will be for naught, it'll just be a delay.

Linda said...

We also need to get rid of the Dept of Education. Hire teachers who are capable and able to teach, not just by rote, but by example.

Parents need to back the teachers, and the policemen, and anyone in authority. Kids need to be taught respect, but parents need to show it too!

Anonymous said...

Great post Z,
It's only considered right wing by those who are so far to the left, anything to the right of them, is considered right wing.

We've allowed them to define us, but we know who we are. Let them. It won't change our beliefs, or the truth.

I think I'm safe in saying, that the truth is, freedom is not right wing, freedom is our right, and it's worth fighting for.

That's what we've done for almost two years and now, we've won our first battle now, and we're not going away.

If those who oppose us think that being a slave to the government is a necessity, it is they who live a lie, not us.

Yes Z, we need a citizen Congress. That's what our founders meant us to have, not lifelong positions of power for politicians who lose touch with the people.

If it is indoctrination to teach children responsibilty, loyalty to family, respect for others, love of country, and our right to be free to think for ourselves, so be it. I call it our responsibility to our youth.

Others can call it what they want, the lesson remains the same.

Pris

Ducky's here said...

Do they have to be Republicans? How about Patrick Murphy, a former paratrooper who championed the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell".

He lost re-election after two terms in Pennsylvania and was by all accounts a very honest decent representative.

Does he get to speak?

Well, maybe he didn't "know the Constitution" whatever that means in the conservative world.

Well, it's crunch time, nobody believes this economy is strong enough to support much of a rebound and the Fed is just making moves to stop a double dip. There should be an in fight among the Tea Party and the normals and we get to do it all again with 9% unemployment in 2012.

... but in the mean time if you teach kids to be far right it's not indoctrination. Do you folks ever stand back and reflect.

Craig and Heather said...

but in the mean time if you teach kids to be far right it's not indoctrination. Do you folks ever stand back and reflect.



What is "far right" about teaching children to be logical, honest, productive, humble, considerate and be able to understand what is expected of them (according to law) as citizens of this country?

Don't "leftists" value these things and strive to train their children well? If not, then I guess my previous point has been made.

And the economy is a secondary issue at best when placed alongside the issue of healthy character development of our children.

So there.

H

Z said...

Ducky, do you ever take the time to THINK?
ANYBODY who loves this country and understands that there is a Constitution we used to adhere to should be talking to our kids.
You asked:
"... but in the mean time if you teach kids to be far right it's not indoctrination. Do you folks ever stand back and reflect."

So I was right?....good virtues, patriotism, loving this country, they really ARE 'Far Right'...well, thank GOD for the "Far right"...I don't know that I know anybody on the FAR right, but God bless them.

Heather, I just noticed you've covered that, too, I'm glad you did.

Pris, after reading Ducky's comment, you just have to ask yourself if leftwingers really do feel I was right..that it's only conservatives who'd teach what I encouraged they be taught!

RightKlik said...

Freedom and the responsibilities that come with it are not well appreciated and the people who run this country think of those ideas as dangerous and subversive.

Z said...

Rk, you need to be congratulated for all you did before the election!
I hope LOTS of the people you highlighted on your blog won; it sure seems that they did.

Anonymous said...

"Pris, after reading Ducky's comment, you just have to ask yourself if leftwingers really do feel I was right..that it's only conservatives who'd teach what I encouraged they be taught!"

Yes Z, I agree. I'm just saying they'll call us rightwingers no matter what. That's what they do. Ducky just proved it again. I just don't care. He's a head case, who makes no sense.

Pris

Chuck said...

Duckhead, 9% unemployment, while high, is better than the Dims have it right now.

More than that though, I want to hear you explain again how Republicans are going to wander in the wilderness for decades. Seems this was your take after the last election.

Conservatives get to remake congressional districts in the next two years. Watch out for the wild animals out there in the wilderness, a lot of them like fowl.

Mustang said...

There can be no question that there is but one reason anyone would ever follow Ducky; idle curiosity. He cannot possibly understand that teaching values to one’s children is not indoctrination: it is a manifestation of love for one’s children, and for the country of their birth. If teaching values that will make our children stronger and happier over the course of a life time, and if it will make a stronger, more united nation —how is that a bad thing?

What a sad statement this is about the people who raised Ducky; we can certainly observe him and have no doubt about the genesis of his problem. He is a genuinely contemptible human being who is incapable of any good feeling toward anyone, or anything beyond his own selfishness and pettiness. Because Ducky was never taught, or refused to learn about values, he cannot understand how Patrick Murphy must be held accountable for pursuing a course in contravention to the will of the people who elected him. Ducky may be incapable of understanding accountability, but if Mr. Murphy served as a paratrooper, he well understands personal responsibility and accountability. Unlike Ducky, a typical leftist whiner, I suspect Mr. Murphy will take his loss in stride, and that he will transform it into a positive thing later on. I see nothing positive in Ducky’s future … Ducky is no Marco Rubio.

The Vegas Art Guy said...

Teaching people to think for themselves is not indoctrination no matter what the left thinks...

FrogBurger said...

Well, it's crunch time, nobody believes this economy is strong enough to support much of a rebound and the Fed is just making moves to stop a double dip.

Doesn't take a genius to understand the role of the gov in the economy is not to spend or print bills but create the right environment for it. Which means decrease risk and the perception around risk.

Idiots like you Ducky, who want to confiscate, kill private property, over tax increase business risks.

That's why we have a double dip.

You do deserve this new nickname of Duckhead. I like it.

Impertinent said...

Prisc:

"Yes Z, we need a citizen Congress. That's what our founders meant us to have, not lifelong positions of power for politicians who lose touch with the people."

Prisc...we all agree. The real question is....how do we make a career in Congress or the Senate undesirable for lifers? How do we convey that we need you for a few years and not a lifetime?
My guess is that we get the best and brightest by offering....nothing...no medical...no pension no privileges....for the first two terms. If the people want you to continue....then we'll compensate you for your dedication and sacrifice.

Otherwise...you only get the satisfaction that you have filled out an employment application and are entitled to our THANKS. Not an indefinite pension and gravy train at our expense.

Impertinent said...

Eat a big dong...demrats...here's the facts...Heres the face of a new America.

Duckyfart....eat it and...Live.

"Tuesday night, Republicans won governorships in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Alabama, Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina -- pause, deep breath -- New Mexico, Nevada, Wyoming, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Alaska, Maine, Iowa and Florida. They also swept the state legislatures. "

God...is good. He loves conservatives.

beamish said...

Is suggesting kids should get off their bottoms and work, not feel entitled, to understand the Constitution, to actually be taught the virtues of hard work and sacrifice and helping others, etc. considered indoctrination these days? Is it considered rightwing?

That does run along the artificial seam between libertarianism and conservatism. It runs into trouble when the takeover of power to reduce the size of government becomes reducing government to pursuing a single-issue social agenda. They want the government to both be a socially transformative power and also be out of people's lives. Rather schizoidal there at times.

Craig and Heather said...

Is suggesting kids should get off their bottoms and work, not feel entitled, to understand the Constitution, to actually be taught the virtues of hard work and sacrifice and helping others, etc. considered indoctrination these days? Is it considered rightwing?

That does run along the artificial seam between libertarianism and conservatism. It runs into trouble when the takeover of power to reduce the size of government becomes reducing government to pursuing a single-issue social agenda. They want the government to both be a socially transformative power and also be out of people's lives. Rather schizoidal there at times.

There can be a conflict of interest if this sort of thinking is primarily along the line of "we want government-run schools to train our kids better". But it's not schizoid if the training occurs as a result of parents recognizing and acting upon the need to be personally accountable for the things our kids learn.

The type of govt we have as a nation seems to strongly reflect the general attitude of the citizens. It is nothing less than what "we the people" have made it to be over the years.

If individuals would develop a responsible attitude and learn to become self-governing, there would be little need for (or interest in) the application of external socialist-shaped pressure from heavy-handed govt oversight.

H

beamish said...

If individuals would develop a responsible attitude and learn to become self-governing, there would be little need for (or interest in) the application of external socialist-shaped pressure from heavy-handed govt oversight.

I disagree. It only exacerbates the agitations between those who signed on to be left alone to sink or swim and those who want to sink those not swimming in synch with a water ballet of their religious and / or social agenda.

What exactly is a "libertarian over-reach?"

There ain't one. How could there be?

I fill in the blank of "Government should ________" with "f**k off" for a reason.

beamish said...

Ducky, do you ever take the time to THINK?

Ducky has told you many times, Z, that he's a leftist. You're not going to get thinking out of a leftist any faster than you'll get champagne out of spatula.

Susannah said...

"Is suggesting kids should get off their bottoms and work, not feel entitled... be taught the virtues of hard work and sacrifice and helping others, etc. considered indoctrination...Is it considered rightwing?"
No. It's considered normal in a capitalist society. There's nothing wrong w/ the Protestant Work Ethic; it is what has built our country, it is a logical philosophical world view based on a clear understanding of our human nature. Socialism/communism (which build entitlement societies), on the other hand, are based on a utopian world view that does NOT understand human nature very well...

America is not perfect, but she's the best thing going --- on the planet! Our society needs to celebrate that, play to her goodness rather than shaming (& humiliating) her & her people for their mistakes. Our president, sadly, has taken this tack since he stepped onto the scene.

Btw, who the h@## does Soros think he is, & why is he so bent on destroying our country? I mean, what are his motives? And yes, we absolutely deserve to know BHO's background...And why did he have 2 autobiogr. published w/o ever having done anything??) Excellent questions, Z.

Craig and Heather said...

I disagree. It only exacerbates the agitations between those who signed on to be left alone to sink or swim and those who want to sink those not swimming in synch with a water ballet of their religious and / or social agenda.

I think you sunk me. :S

But, I'm still not sure why you would believe that instilling a sense of responsibility in our children would make things worse, so I'll try again, anyway.

Other than the fact that undisciplined, unprincipled citizens would create havoc in a "less govt" society, I have no foundational problem with the libertarian approach and prefer that civil/federal/state govt play a minimal role in our society if at all possible. If our citizens were more free to make choices (no socialist safety nets) and experience the full impact of the consequences, a lot of people would either end up dying off or learn to become personally responsible and generally become better citizens. Sink or swim, yes?

Religious and social sculpting of our children are not the responsibility of the state, even in an "educational" environment. Continuing to use the same methods (ie public school systems) to "unindoctrinate" our children is not the part of the post with which I agree.

There IS a conflict of interest when the kids are simultaneously instructed about the need to not have an entitlement attitude while also being told they have a "right" to free, quality education--provided by the state. I wasn't arguing that point.

When other conservative-leaning parents openly recognize state-funded public education as being a facet of the socialism we all say we don't want, I will be inclined to believe that there has been recognition of how numb we've all become to the notion of govt handouts as "good and necessary".

Z's suggestion has merit. But it is important to not make takeover of the public re-education system the final destination if we are serious about reversing the attitude of entitlement in our kids.

H

beamish said...

But, I'm still not sure why you would believe that instilling a sense of responsibility in our children would make things worse, so I'll try again, anyway.

You misread me. My parents didn't need a government program to help them instill a sense of responsibility in me.

All and all, I don't think I turned out too bad.

Other than the fact that undisciplined, unprincipled citizens would create havoc in a "less govt" society, I have no foundational problem with the libertarian approach and prefer that civil/federal/state govt play a minimal role in our society if at all possible. If our citizens were more free to make choices (no socialist safety nets) and experience the full impact of the consequences, a lot of people would either end up dying off or learn to become personally responsible and generally become better citizens. Sink or swim, yes?

Or sell boats ;) but yes.

Craig and Heather said...

You misread me.

Sorry about that. I'm feeling a bit contrary for some reason.

My parents didn't need a government program to help them instill a sense of responsibility in me.

All and all, I don't think I turned out too bad.


:)

Or sell boats ;) but yes.

LOL Okay. Guess we don't actually disagree, then.

H

beamish said...

We disagree only if you're hesistant to remove the social spending "safety nets" entirely out of fear or "compassion" for those lacking self-responsibility, be they individuals or baseball teams or multi-national corporations.

Craig and Heather said...

Any spending that should not have been implemented in the first place ought to be stopped. And the sooner we start stripping it back, the better, IMO. When the govt pays for something, it can dictate terms--and that can often place people in compromising positions.

I do expect we differ on how quickly the trend could be reversed, though. My experience is that if a "bad" influence is removed, it is important to have a positive replacement ready to fill it's place or the void that remains can be easily occupied by something much, much worse than the first evil.

So perhaps you might consider me to be fearful or falsely compassionate in my hesitance to just cut everything off instantly. In my mind, it just seems more practical to have an escape plan.
On the other hand, if I've learned anything from the process of childbirth, it is that sometimes, the only way out of an intensely painful situation is to jut grit your teeth and go through it.

Part of experiencing life is in learning to adapt, I suppose.



Govt. funded baseball teams?


H

beamish said...

Govt. funded baseball teams?

You must not have one in your area. Here in my state we have two, the Kansas City Royals and the St. Louis Cardinals, both fully subsidized with stadia to play in that their attendance tickets, television advertising revenue, and jacked up beer and hot dog prices could never actually pay for, even in interest-free installments over the next century.

And, given that the interest in viewing steroid-enhanced union "workers" standing around claiming to be participating in a "sport" has waned to the point that most people don't even tune in to watch it on television, the trend towards relying on government subsidy for its existence is only growing.

I had the fortuitous revelation of the irony of the whole thing a few years back when the front page of the local propaganda sheet simultaneously carried a report that Missouri personal income tax refund checks were going to be delayed due to the state being broke at the same time lawmakers approved paying for a multi-million dallar stadium for the Cardinals to replace the former one they couldn't sell out either unless the Rolling Stones played there.

Craig and Heather said...

You must not have one in your area.

I'm afraid we don't have much of anything with a "sport" motif in our area unless you count the annual mud-bog competition. ;)

But I can see now why you'd not be happy about it.

H