Tuesday, September 18, 2012

4 Simple Questions for Obama.......

 4  Simple Questions about the Birth Certificate...that's all.  Call me a "Birther," I know name-calling is very popular because it limits thought by shutting down conversation through supposedly intimidating name-calling...it's what the left does.  I'm personally no 'birther'......I've posted very few pieces on the subject and don't know quite what to believe. But when I read this information below (sent to me today), I thought "what the........?" and thought I'd remind you of what's going on, and ignoring the questions below is counter-intuitive.
FOUR SIMPLE QUESTIONS, that shouldn't be too hard to address for Obama, huh?   Yet...........nobody can ask because (gasp!) then you're a 'birther."

Here are the four questions:

 1. Back  in 1961 people of color were called 'Negroes.'  So how can the
 Obama  'birth certificate' state he is "African-American" when the  term wasn't even used at that time?

 2. The birth certificate that the White House  released lists Obama's birth as  August 4, 1961 & Lists Barack Hussein Obama  as his father. No big deal, right ? At the time  of Obama's birth, it also shows that his father  is aged 25 years old, and that Obama's father  was born in " Kenya , East Africa". This  wouldn't seem like anything of concern, except  the fact that Kenya did not even exist until  1963, two whole years after Obama's birth, and  27 years  after his father's birth. How could Obama's  father  have been born in a country that did not  yet exist  ?  Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it  was known as the "British East Africa  Protectorate".
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya%29>

 3.  On the Birth Certificate released by the  White House, the listed place of  birth is "Kapi'olani Maternity &  Gynecological Hospital". This  cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question  in 1961 were called  "KauiKeolani  Children's Hospital" and "Kapi'olani Maternity  Home", respectively.  The name did not change to Kapi'olani Maternity  & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when  these two hospitals merged.
 How  can this particular name of the hospital be on a  birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had  not yet been applied to it until  1978?

 http://http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx<http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx>
(http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx) <http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx%29>

 Why  hasn't this been discussed in the major media  ?


 4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama's book on his  father. He states how proud he is of his father  fighting in WW II. I'm not a math genius, so I  may need some help from you. Barack Obama's birth certificate says his father was 25 years  old in 1961 when he was born. That should have  put his father's date of birth approximately  1936 if my math holds (Honest! I did that  without a calculator!!!) Now we need a  non-revised history book one that hasn't been  altered to satisfy the authors goals to verify  that WW II was basically between 1939 and 1945.  Just how many 3 year olds fight in wars? Even in  the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn't  have been more than 9. Does that mean that Mr.  Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the  facts to satisfy his fantasies and imagination,  or political purposes (still qualifies as a liar?)

Z:  Imagine if Romney's background included only ONE of the above?  :-)

I'm pretty sure Obama won't come to GeeeeZ to answer these four simple questions but I'm sure my little libs will.....I'm so eager to hear the retorts.   Please, liberals, try to refrain from the 'birther' name calling, I believe I covered that?   Many Americans still THINK and we know nobody spends millions keeping quiet something like a birth certificate which is one of the easiest things any of us normal human beings can present in their entirety........so, please, please tell us one of the above is wrong, with believable links;  I so hope I can count on you and I'll feel SO much more at ease if you can answer only one of these, but please provide details like this post does.   Thanks! 

What do you all think?........how would YOU answer any of the above questions?
 (for what it's worth, HERE is another blogger's report and I only link  it here because the documentation/birth certificates are better visible there than at others.)
geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeZ

z

87 comments:

Jack Whyte said...

The answer: Barack Obama is a fraud; a creation of liberalism; someone who is not legally entitled to serve as President of the United States.

Always On Watch said...

I hear ya, Z!

In my view, Points 1 and 2 raise very serious questions.

BUT

It doesn't matter! He's been sitting in that Oval Office since January 20, 2012. Congress has done little to check his qualifications to be President.

Why haven't Congress and the courts done anything?

Two reasons:

1. Obama is black. Mustn't give even the slightest appearance of racism, you know.

2. Maybe there isn't a second reason.

Silverfiddle said...

#1 is incorrect. The birth certificate says "African" not "African-American."

So misstating a material fact, easily verifiable, makes me call the entire missive into question.

# 2 is not a problem. I know people from Kenya, and that land has been known as Kenya long before anyone there ever heard of the British.

Ducky's here said...

Give this a read


Or join Orly Taitz in Kansas, whatever.

Liberalmann said...

OMG, Really? The birther issue. Well, let's ask Rmoney about his tax returns. Where are they?

Why did Rmoney invest in a company which disposes aborted fetuses? You all OK with that?

What about his comments yesterday showing his disdain for average Americans?

What about his magic underwear and his Mormon cult REQUIRES church doctrine, guide the lives of everyone?

Rmoney is a bishop and they believe they are Gods walking on earth and each church member will acquire their own planet one day.

Give you the willies at all?

Stfu!

Rita said...

Hey Libdip. In case you didn't notice this isn't your blog. If you don't like what is said here don't come back. Better yet, just don't come back as either yourself or as Sybil. Telling the owners here to STFU is out of line.

Go find something else to play with in your mama's basement.

FreeThinke said...

People who are NOT "birthers," qualify either as DUPES or COWARDS -- possibly both.

Political-Correctness has seeped insidiously deep into the bones and subconscious of us all.

That is why I make such a POINT of using terms not in fashion like "Negro," and why at times I make markedly abrasive remarks.

My purpose is not just to be "nasty."

If we don't STAND UP to the tyranny of P-C, but meekly ACQUIESCE to it, instead, we -- as a free people -- are DOOMED.

There are times when merely being polite -- and "going along just to get along." and not "making waves" are effectively handing our political enemies a clear, decisive VICTORY.

If we do that, we have been COWED into doing things THEIR way and in THEIR terms. Very sadly that means we have been CONQUERED.

~ FreeThinke

conservativesonfire said...

I suspect that the answers to those questions are less important than the true reason Obama has had all of records sealed. will we ever know why? Probably not in what remains of my life time.

Z said...

Free Thinke, that's the point, isn't it.

The fact that conversation was shut down when a guy's spending $2million to keep a certificate quiet, hidden, etc.

SO many computer experts are saying every paper's been a fraud...it's curious.

My point is that one would have thought a real media would have put this story to bed THE DAY AFTER IT APPEARED THAT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE AN AMERICAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

DONE...media used to do that. It would have taken NOTHING to do that.

Yet we have jerks screeching for tax records of Romney when we know almost nothing about Obama except he's made a lot of millions of dollars on...um................not sure.

whatever! I just wish this whole subject was clear cut; I've never heard of a birth certificate which wasn't.

Impertinent said...
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Impertinent said...

"and that land has been known as Kenya long before anyone there ever heard of the British."


Maybe so...but the Brits were running things...so I doubt they'd be calling it Kenya when it wasn't yet.

Correct...it does say "African"...which still wasn't in use in 1961. Nor was "black".

There are only 3 races....and that's what the BC called for.

Fredd said...

Obama's 'birth certificate' smecks of George W. Bush's national guard papers of which Dan Rather speaks so foundly. You know, those mid-60's documents with Microsoft Word font.

Alligator said...

On his father serving in WW II, I saw the video and I think it was genuine slip of the tongue, because he then says "when he came home he got the services he needed" and he was referencing the veterans services. His maternal grandfather Stanley Dunham was in 1830th Ordnance Supply and Maintenance Company, Aviation (Army). Six weeks after D-Day, the unit was sent to France to help support the 9th Air Force. While Dunham's service is commendable, he was not in a front line combat unit. Obama's Uncle Charlie Payne was in the 89th Infantry (Patton's Third Army)and participated in the Rhine crossing and was one of the first to enter Ohrdruf concentration camp in April 1945. (The Germans had already deserted the area) Obama had stated that it was Auschwitz he liberated, but that camp was in the Soviet area. I saw an interview once where Obama said he used to listen to Charlies stories about the war. Then later Charles said Obama never asked him about his war experiences. I've had trouble finding those clips now.

I don't really trust the birth certificate that was released but in the end, I focus my concerns on Obama's detrimental policies and his lapdog "mainstream media" which sweeps any possible negative or contrary coverage to his actions under the rug.

Darth Bacon said...

How dare you speak that way about the Kenyan !

Bunkerville said...

Of course, all will be revealed after he is long gone, and he will be ..sooner rather than later hopefully.

Robert Sinclair said...

The fault here is not that people believe he is NOT entitled to serve as president, because he is NOT a natural citizen of the United States. The fault here is that Obama could have set this entire matter to rest four years ago and refused to do it. And then when he finally got around to it, several labs claimed the documents were falsified.

Why shouldn't a man who was clearly born in the United States, cough up documents that are beyond question? Why shouldn't the chief executive release his college records and put to rest all the murmurings?

There are two possibilities: Either the chief executive is an arrogant ass, or the chief executive is hiding things from the American public that they have a right to know.

Ed Bonderenka said...

I'm with Silverfiddle on those two points and Alligator on his.
That being said, the real clincher is that we know his mom gave up their citizenship to move to Indonesia.
She did not move back with him.
There is no indication he re-applied for his citizenship upon his return,
so making him eligible for foreign student admissions.
So, I want to see the student records.
Oh, he won't show those either.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Lib, I wonder why you suppose we should answer your questions before you've answered ours?

Anonymous said...

One only has to read the Shit that the piece of Shit progressive eruptshit has on HER blog and the shit-heads who comment there to know how disgusting these lib-shits are

cube said...

The time to have raised these questions, and many more, was before we got saddled with a president who detests America's past. The Congress and the lapdog media are complicit in foisting this cypher onto us without proper vetting. It's disgraceful.

JonBerg said...

"On his father serving in WW II"; does he even know who his father was?

Bob said...

from wikipedia, "omo Kenyattapron. (1894 – 22 August 1978) served as the first Prime Minister (1963–1964) and President (1964–1978) of Kenya. An African socialist,[2] he is considered the founding father of the Kenyan nation."

Kenyans and even Brits were calling it Kenya long before it became a country. Nobody went around it calling it some British Protectorate, not even the Brits.

I have no clue what Hawaians called black people. But, Hawaii has always had a large population of racially mixed people, and you might expect their local terminology to be different from the mainland. It has only been a state since 1959.

I am saying this stuff not to defend Obama, but because regardless of how you see the inconsistencies in his history, he is President. It's a done deal.

The problem in front of us is, how do we get rid of the liar?

Bob said...

ED, can you help me, here?
"his mom gave up their citizenship to move to Indonesia."

How can a minor give up his citizenship? I didn't know that could happen. I am ignorant of the process.

Anonymous said...

Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. Bob is right, of course, a child cannot give up his citizenship at all---not until he or she becomes an adult. And, an adult can only do it IN WRITING with the writing filed with the US government, in this case the US consulate in that country, Indonesia, and obviously no such document has been found for Obama.

Anonymous said...

Re: “In 1961 people of color were called “Negroes.” So how can the Obama “birth certificate” state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t even used at that time?”

ANSWER: First it does not say “African-American.” It says “African.” Only African.

The explanation is simple. In Hawaii you were allowed to use any word you wanted to describe your race. There was no checklist, and no one stood over you saying what you had to enter. There are entries in Hawaii of people listing their race as “American.” So you were allowed to use any word you wanted.

And what was the word that African exchange students commonly used to describe their race in the 1960s? Answer: African.

Re: 2. “… Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth, and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet exist? Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known then as the “British East Africa Protectorate”.”

Answer. You are out of date with that name. Kenya stopped being called the British East African Protectorate in 1920. In that year it was renamed. What was the name? THE KENYA COLONY.

In short, it was called Kenya (Kenya short for “The Kenya Colony”), and it was in East Africa, so the entry Kenya, East Africa is correct.

Re: “3. On the birth certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”. This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively. ”

Answer: You are referring to two other hospitals. But, Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital DID exist in 1961.

How do we know? Well, on WND’s site there are birth certificates for the Nordkye Twins, born one day after Obama in the same hospital, and what is the name of the hospital on their birth certificates? Answer: Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

Obama did not say that his father fought in WWII. He said that his GRANDfather fought in WWII. Somebody, probably a birther, cut the "GRAND" out of the video.

Jan said...

They will never answer the questions.

About his year of birth: I don't know if anyone else remembers, but a long time ago, before anything that might reflect negatively on him was scrubbed, the age he listed in a profile on a social network was a couple of years older than what he has claimed since then. After he began campaigning for President, it was changed..so, either he was not being truthful then, or is being untruthful, now.

Oh, wait.

Ducky's here said...

Boy, you fringe righties are something.
A Kenyan Muslim communist sure put it over on you.

Average American said...

The bottom line:

It matters a lot less where he was born than where he lives now. We can fix that in 49 days!!

I don't believe we will gain any votes by rehashing the birth issue until after we get his frigging ass OUT of the WH! I beg ALL Americca lovers, PLEASE, go out and convert 10 people who don't plan to vote, or plan to vote for NOMObama! THAT is how we can win!

Ed Bonderenka said...

Bob:
Frankly, I also am "ignorant of the process".
It's an argument I heard a couple years ago which I found convincing and am now researching.
I could be wrong, but then again a number of Obama's supporters have also been wrong about many of these issues.
But let's just say this,
Why IS he hiding his records?
"Anonymous" is not even a nom de blog, so I give no credence to what he/she says as fact regarding what a parent can and can't do.
I'll trust other sources.
As for the Romney Taxes canard,
I trust the IRS has more than examined Romney's tax records.

Anonymous said...

FROM Z:

So, tell me, everybody; why spend $2 million on obfuscation?
Why do so many computer specialists with no agenda say it's a fraud, tech-wise?, forget AFRICAN vs NEGRO, etc... just plain talking about fonts, etc., ..or the name of the hospital, which nobody here's addressed, etc.

I really don't care, as I said in my post, other than the fascination of Hawaii slamming the records shut on that trip he made to see his dying grandmother, remember? ..I only care because of constitutionality but I think we need to move on....and considering what some Americans would DO were he to be found not a citizen and ousted is so serious that we'd better NOT ever find out the truth.

Imagine so many quite valid questions about a lousy birth certificate, school records, financial aid docs? weird.


Oh, and Ducky..he really did pull one over on most thinking Americans but this isn't the most serious problem from him, is it.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Bob:
This is what I read before:
The controlling law when Mr. Obama was born stated the U.S. citizen parent had to reside in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of which were after the age of 14 in order to give the child U.S. "natural born" status.
If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.
So read the Immigration and Nationality Act between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986. (Obama was born in 1961.) Ann Dunham was 18 at the time of her son's birth, so she would not qualify under this measure.

I am not a lawyer. Nor do I play one on TV. But it sounds convincing.

Anonymous said...

Obama has published his birth certificate, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it. Still, birthers believe that this is not true----which is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review all have called birthers CRAZY.

Similarly the crazy idea that Obama "spent 2 millons" ( or "X millions"--the figure varies, with the X made up by birthers) to hide his records.

For this to be true there would first of all have to be one or more lawsuits against Obama for records, just for records. Well, THERE ISN'T ANY. There have been lawsuits to get Obama's name off ballots and declared ineligible. Obama fought these cases, and WON.

BUT obviously he fought to keep his name on the ballot and not to be declared ineligible, not to hide records.

So, why hasn't he shown his records? Answer: Why should he? Romney has not shown his school records, passport records, etc either. And there is no law that says that either of them should show such records.

As for questions about Obama's financial aid records being "valid." They are only valid if you demand the same thing of Romney. There is no law that says that either of them have to show such records, but if Romney does then Obama is likely to do so too, and the same goes for his grades (by the way Obama graduated from Harvard Law School Magna Cum Laude).

Re somebody above "remembering" that Obama allegedly said that he was "a couple of years older."

Answer: Sure, we are supposed to believe your memory, the memory of a crazy birther. The date of Obama's birth is, of course, shown on his birth certificate and roughly shown by the birth announcements that appeared in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961. These too facts are considerably better than a birther's "memory."

Re "anonymous." There is a button that can be pushed that says "anonymous," so the site obviously welcomes anonymous comments. I post the facts and only the facts. If you do not like them, disprove them with facts.


Impertinent said...

The straight talk we need is about the Progressives, their social cancer, and their rancid plans for America, about the President who ignores the Constitution, about the grotesque irresponsibility of those who think the government can go on spending ad infinitum, and about how the Left has abandoned our nation's interests to our enemies.

I am going to vote against Obama; I would vote against him if he were running against an empty chair.

FreeThinke said...

Smoke

Fire

Smoke

Fire

Smoke

Fire

Obama is a veritable blazing inferno.


Quit quibbling. I doubt we will ever be rid of him -- jus as we have never gotten rid of the Clintons

Republicans retire from politics and fade graciously into obscurity.

Democrats are so in love with power they truly relinquish it. Only DEATH could stop them -- and even then the "hagiographers" like that whey-faced, weak-chinned, brown-nosed Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. take over and, the falsified "legends" these gibbering servants of Satan create live on and on and on.

"The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred" -- in turd. ):-c

American political life is nothing more than a Carnival of Corruption and Cornucopia of Contempt.

PFAUGH!

~ FT

Anonymous said...

Re: "The controlling law when Mr. Obama was born stated the U.S. citizen parent had to reside in the U.S. for 10 years, 5 of which were after the age of 14 in order to give the child U.S. "natural born" status."

Who told you that? Why don't you check on the nutty people who tell you things.

Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

“Based on the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents. Just as a person “born within the British dominions [was] a natural born-born subject” at the time of the framing of the U.S. Constitution, so too were those “born in the allegiance of the United States [ ] natural-born citizens.”— Ankeny v. Governor of the State of Indiana, 916 NE2d 678, 688 (2009), (Ind.Supreme Court, Apr. 5, 2010)

For more information read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen

There have now been four or more state courts—--including Indiana, Georgia, New Jersey and Arizona—--and one federal court which have ruled SPECIFICALLY that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to the ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case. Here is one: http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346

Here is another: http://birtherthinktank.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/allen-order-dismissing-complaint.pdf

JonBerg said...

Ducky addressed the more lucid participants of this fine site with the following:

"A Kenyan Muslim communist sure put it over on you."


I think that this comment would be better served, by its author reciting it while gazing in the mirror!

FrogBurger said...

They should change the constitution so I can run for office :D

Anonymous said...

From Z:

Every child born here is a citizen...except foreign diplomats' children who only get the right to park wherever they want and never get a ticket :-)

I remember a liberal lawyer named, I THINK, Philip Berg, who took the birth cert. to court......he didn't get far but he was so sold on the information he had and he, as a liberal, did say that his case was for the constitution, not a political thing.
but, alas.........

we'll never know, I guess...but we should. Should be a snap, shouldn't it.

Anonymous said...

FB, I AGREE!

Z

Ed Bonderenka said...

Well thanks anon.
I guess I'm a gullible birther.
It's a far cry better than a gullible Obama supporter.
And once again, don't bring up the Romney Tax filings.
That's nuttier than being a birther.
I can assume that the IRS vetted his filings, especially under this corrupt administration.

Anonymous said...

Re: "Should be a snap, shouldn't it. "

Answer. It is a snap. It has been a snap for a long time. Obama showed the official birth certificate of Hawaii, short form and long form, and the officials of both parties in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a birth certificate to Obama and that the one that Obama has shown matches the facts on the one in their files EXACTLY. In addition, the existence of Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is confirmed by the public Index Data file (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html). And it is also confirmed by the birth notices that were sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

There is not a particle of evidence that Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961, and it would have been highly unlikely for her to take such a long trip late in pregnancy in those days.

Jan said...

"So, why hasn't he shown his records? Answer: Why should he? Romney has not shown his school records, passport records, etc either. And there is no law that says that either of them should show such records."

The answer to that one is so simple that even the misguided cult followers should be able to understand: He should, because doing so could settle a lot of unanswered questions about his past, and if he is all that he, his wife, his administration, and the mainstream media claim that he is, he has nothing to worry about.

I'm not asking you, or anyone else, Anonymous, to trust my memory. What I stated is the truth...he has had two different ages on his profile, and I think I made the point that I was trying to make...one of them was not the truth.

It would be much easier to prove what one has read in the past, if so much hadn't been done to hide everything.

Was he born in Kenya? Michelle has said so, and so have various other people when they thought it could be used to his advantage. If you are as informed as you seem to want us to believe that you are, you would know this, too.

Why don't you guys get off the subject of Romney's income taxes, and try coming up with something more scandalous than that when trying to defend everything about Obama?

I'm sure you could think of something more 'wierd' if you tried...besides, I think your 'facts' are pretty weird, all things considered.

Frogburger, stick around long enough, and I'm pretty sure the constitution will be changed, if not completely done away with! :)

Chuck said...

I have tried to stay away from the birther issue for two reasons.

I cannot decide where I think the truth lies.

There are so many other lies he tells, it doesn't seem worth the trouble.

With this said, I do find it interesting that O has spent 2 mil to hide things.

I do find it fun though to see how you pulled Libidiots chain.

For the record, I would ban the little worm for life for the STFU comment.

This make you feel strong talking to ladies like this Lib? Typically little sissy lib, pick on a woman.

As to Romney's tax records - what about O's college records? Yet another multiple million dollar cover-up. Probably nothing there either...

FrogBurger said...

I was born not far from Kenya so there'd be a controversy for me too.

And I've lost my French birth certificate.

Leticia said...

The answer is easy, Obama is a liar and his administration is covering up the truth.

I would also love to hear the answers to your questions, but I believe all we are going to get is heresay and those defending Hussein.

Anonymous said...

FROM Z:

Anonymous...we're some really bright people here and , even then, brighter minds than ours (including liberals) have tried to get the truth and haven't been able to.
Odd that Obama spent $2 million NOT getting any one birth certificate that FINALLY closed all conjecture, isn't it?
Why do you think Hawaii slammed the records shut?

Jan...the constitution HAS been changed, right? We have a president riding all kinds of information right by us on Friday nights at midnight...executive edicts, etc...
You've seen what's in that Obama care package...!! It involves taxes on selling our homes! And so much more nobody really knows about.

Chuck..I only left that up because I'm at work and can't delete it and Rita commented to it and I want people to see that liberals are so rarely gentlemen.
Thanks very much for your comment.
And yes...why the two MILLION?

FB...shame on you...you'd make a great American president!

Liberalmann said...

Rmoney is losing big time on the major issues and every week he steps in it deeper. All the right can do in desperation is bring up the birther issue again. It really is laughablke. And it's also sad to see so many bitter, uninformed chiming in here. Next they'll bring up Ayers again, lol!

FrogBurger said...

Z, I've lost my French ID card, my French passport, I'm not registered at the French consulate. France doesn't know me anymore and I'm proud of it :)

FrogBurger said...

Libman, that's the opposite. Obama is losing on the major issues since, since the beginning all the OBama campaign's been doing is use side issues.

Plus how can we lose on the issues when Europe is tanking and you keep advocating for the same European policies in the US?

It's pretty easy to win on that one, unless we have imbeciles like you listening.

LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I never bought into the birther theory....there simply wasn't enough meat to bite into.

But 'Anonymous' brought forth some fairly cogent rebuttals, which I haven't seen countered here. Resting one's entire premise on wondering why he spent money on this issue...irrespective of any other fact or plausibility, is not case of searching for the truth...it's a case of simply wanting something to be true.

Anonymous said...

FROM Z:

Constitutional I...you jump to silly conclusions, if you don't mind my saying so.
Have you any idea what would happen to this country if all the experts who said the cert. isn't real got listened to and he was ousted? No, I posted this for good discussion, with very valid questions, and we've had more valid questions.

I haven't "bought into" any theory...what I DO buy into is an honest, inquisitive media. They haven't been on this issue. (but, of course, you probably imagine that they just know in their bones it's all a silly subject..without really delving, or being called BIRTHER, which does shut down the discussion exquisitely.)

Lib...Some day, when you don't recognize our country, you'll be remembering these blogs and wishing you'd awakened early enough.
So far, nothing.

You should be utterly ashamed at your media and how this man with no experience, no reason to love this country in his background, and sneaking things through(to only list a few) isruining us.
LET'S GO INTO MORE DEBT..!!

You can't even understand because you either haven't been properly schooled or you really just need those freebies so badly you simply don't care that we're tired of paying for them for you.

I believe Romney was absolutely right about what he said about half of this country and only a MORON wouldn't see that.
So, the media has to slam him...but it's funny that even some liberal venues rather agree with him when they look at the stats. Quite shocking, actually.

FB....I have to say I'd feel a little creepy if I'd lost all that stuff!! I'm glad you feel good about not having those French connections anymore!

Z

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I didn't say that they weren't valid questions. But in a paradigm where both points of view have their teams of 'experts' and proxies......preconceived notions fall flatter than verifiable facts.

The media has done with this issue what they've done to nearly every other issue in my politically active lifetime - skimmed the surface until the factor of sensationalism lost it's luster, and then moved on to the next faux controversy or hyperbolic drama.

In the case of 'Anonymous', he/she answered the questions posed on a point by point basis, but I haven't seen a rebuttal from the opposing side. Will I?

Chuck said...

Z, you delete or not delete who you want. I was not trying to tell you to, I was just saying I would (and have).

My point is you are a good person and do not deserve having a worm like this say something like that to you. I guess we're still gentlemen here in flyover land ;)

As to leaving these guys up, they can be amusing and do serve as exhibit A and B for the left...

Impertinent said...

@Z

"but it's funny that even some liberal venues rather agree with him when they look at the stats..."

Actually he just won 53% of the country with that statement and probably some Jews too who agree with his Pali statement which was totally truthful....as was the 47% of our "victims".

Furthermore, he was also correct in his analysis that Obama’s support largely comes from that 47%, as many demographic analyses have shown. The “We want free stuff” crowd votes Democratic, and the “I’m grumpy about paying all those taxes” crowd votes Republican.

Conversely, when Obama essentially says the opposite — which he does nearly every day with his various permutations of “Spread the wealth around” and “You didn’t build that” — he is alienating the 53%.

And one final point: it may be that only 53% of Americans pay taxes, but that 53% accounts for a much larger percentage of voters.

The poor, the indigent and minorities always vote in far fewer numbers than the middle and upper classes. So Romney’s “controversial” sentence actually appeals to probably over 60% of the voters.

And that’s more than he needs to win.

Z said...

CI...Anonymous says Obama showed the birth certificate from Hawaii.
Of course he did.
Odd that even liberal lawyers took him to court over it...
and odd that Hawaii slammed the records shut.

No, Anonymous asks nothing we all haven't asked...and with links, no less! We have hundreds of links by computer experts saying every morph of the B.C. is a fake.

I can't play that game forever...

Chuck, you sound offended. I'm on your side.. and yes, I delete who I want to delete, etc..........and, as I said, I would have had people not responded to him already and were I Not at work and unable to..

Z said...

Libboy...I'm glad you brought up Ayers, actually.

You're dealing here with a populace SO unthinking and with so little character that they knew he'd lied from the start and still voted for him.
Yes, Ayers, whom he "didn't really know" was the first to give him a campaign 'coffee' in Ayers' living room....their wives knew each other, Ayers had Obama on boards, etc...but Obama blatantly lied about it.
Not COOL to be a friend to an unrepentant terrorist, we all know that..heck, even OBama seemed to because he just had to lie.

And you dopes fell for it. SHame on you. (oh, I forgot, shame isn't a word in some of our lexicons anymore)

Impertinent said...

The dope in cheif..is on Letterman whining like the petulant victim he is about Romney "writing" off a large chunk of the country...LMAO.

What's this creep snorting? Romney knows these walking garbage dumps will never cross over...he wants them to work!

Like I said in a previous post....Romney has the winners in his corner....not the community / acorn organizer's lowlifes and garbage.

Impertinent said...

BTW....on Letterman...not in the damn Oval Office trying to come up with an answer toi half the cruddy ME on fire and burning down our embassies.....this man is a traitor.

And a COWARD, FAKE< FRAUD>

FrogBurger said...

American political life is nothing more than a Carnival of Corruption and Cornucopia of Contempt.

Well said. I must say this is another depressing time in my life.

There's Obama obviously but more importantly the level of the political debate is exhausting mentally, and intellectually (because it's crap.)

I don't know how many more campaigns I can sustain to be honest. It's my second one that I've paid attention since I've been here and it's grueling.

If you're like me and you think life on Earth is to prepare your soul for what's next and elevate yourself, then I'm not preparing it very well by paying so much attention to politics.

And I'm also guilty of getting pissed off too often.

Impertinent said...

@FB

Here's another useful, timely quote:

"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!"

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Wish I could comment. But my Day Job places me in the back of the daily line.

It's not because I don't wish to comment, it's because my comments are generally so YESTERDAY.

Like this one.

Kudos to the success of your blog that I can't quite get in line for a comment. Wish I had that problem.

BZ

Chuck said...

Z, trust me - I was not in anyway offended, just trying to clarify.

I was just offended at his use of the term STFU. It is very rude and should not be used towards a lady.

Impertinent said...

A fews simple facts for libturd....since he loves them so much:

The exposure of Romney’s comments provides an opportunity to air a few facts.

Fact: Under Barack Obama’s stewardship, we’re stuck above 8% unemployment nationally.

Millions of Americans who would never under any other circumstances seek government benefits, now have to just to keep what they have worked for all their lives.

Millions have given up looking for work at all, and millions more are underemployed. Government overtaxes and underserves the American citizen at every level, but Obama’s priority continues to include siding with government unions and demagoguing America’s top earners. The moribund economy is a consequence of this president’s behavior.


Fact: Under Obama’s stewardship, regulations have driven energy prices higher, and that has contributed to the slowed economy.

Fact: Driving energy prices higher was and continues to be part of Barack Obama’s strategy, and it is killing jobs.

Fact: Under Obama’s stewardship, the federal government has worked to increase dependency rather than salute success. Democrats depend on unsustainable spending, which will bankrupt the country, to keep their party politically viable.

Fact: Under Obama’s stewardship, the government brought in a sweeping health care law that is demonstrably killing jobs right at the source, small business.

Fact: Obama has no plan to fix or undo any of the damage he has done to the economy, and has no background that suggests he even understands what the problems are.

All he has is “Forward,” a slogan as empty as his promises to go through the budget line by line and cut wasteful spending, and as empty as his promise to cut the deficit in half by now.

We have had no budget in nearly four years under this president, and the deficit has exploded.

Romney should revise and extend his comments to hammer away at the Obama record of hostility to free enterprise, and the consequences that hostility has imposed on the hard-working, free-enterprise-supporting American public. “You didn’t build that!” and “Government is the only thing we all belong to” should get prominent replays.

Mustang said...

@ Imp

Sorry, my friend ... but if you didn't get those facts from ThinkProgress, Media Matters, the Obama White House, Michelle Obama's cook book, or Georgie Soros' little black book of prostitutes and other progressive fantasies, then your facts don't mean a damn thing to liberal turd.

But we do admire your tenacity in dealing with complete idiots.

Z said...

Chuck, thanks. I think you're right and I appreciate your sticking up for me as a lady.

Imp; no matter WHAT you say is going to be mocked by libboy...I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him.

But I feel sorrier for this great country which has, suddenly, so many 'not great' people in it...so many who honestly don't have a clue about our founding fathers, who have bought the idiot Kool Aid of high schools and colleges, who think OBAMA was fit to lead this great land.
My GOD.

Impertinent said...

@Mustang..

You left out WAPO & NYT...

If you want the truth...you don't soil yourself by going anywhere near them.

Hey..did ya hear today that the "DoJ" was getting it's talking points from Media Matters"? Jose Christus...imagine that...Goebbels is alive and well at Media Matters...

Z said...

Imp, I did hear that tonight.
The left will deny it...they're absolutely perfect, dontchaknow.

Ya, HOlder is beneath contempt. Absolutely beneath contempt.

Bob said...

Z: This whole article is stuff that has been gone over and over. We all know that Obama is a citizen, even if historically there is no clear definition of what a natural born citizen is. There are still several opinions of what the founding fathers meant.

The most important thing is that even though Obama is a citizen, he is not an American. The evidence is too strong that his father had more influence on his intellect than anyone else. That is why he is bent. He doesn't know any better.

As I tried to say earlier, this birther stuff, although fun to throw around, is of no import.

Bob said...

From HE/SHE/IT who refuses to be named;

"we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."

It is obvious that we need to qualify what a natural born citizen is so we won't get any more kids who were influenced by foreign parent.

Bob said...

OMG!

Obama's Redistribution Video

In 1998 Barack Obama made no bones about in believing in income redistribution.

He really believes that stuff. Did he learn nothing from the failure if the largest redistribution schemes in history, The Soviet Union, Red China,Cuba, etc.

He actually thinks Marxism is cool. Moron!

Impertinent said...

Klavan:

"When I see, in the United States of America, a man rousted from his home at midnight and dragged to a police station over a YouTube video, when I see brutal, primitive, violent Islamism on the march and the values of free men and women in retreat, when I see so-called journalists doing everything they can to suppress, deny, and explain away rather than spread the news, my first reaction isn’t outrage at our foolish failure of a president, nor is it hatred for the cancerous religion currently doing murder to people of every competing belief system everywhere around the world.

My first reaction is genuine sadness over the many, many Democrats of good will who are going to betray every value they profess to hold dear and double down on their error this election day because they simply can’t bear to acknowledge the fact that they were wrong.

Over and over in my mind, I keep hearing the famous words of Oliver Cromwell: “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken!”

Impertinent said...

Prayer...

“DO SOME ‘MAKE UP’ CIVICS STUDIES…OR BE ENSLAVED”

You spend days in study of gossip and beer,
Your “civics”? Just the 10 O’clock lies,
But your “news” is corrupted; your lives reek of waste–
There are those who won’t rest till you die.

You have had so much for so long now,
You just deem it all as your due.
For as heirs of the world’s greatest riches,
Kings and Pharaohs had nothing on you.

All around us, your enemies gather.
Who respect not your life nor our law.
Should we fail in this fight for your freedom,
You and yours live your last days in thrall*.

More than “arms”, liberty calls for effort,
Searching answers to our problems today.
Though there’s no end of “prime time” deceivers,
Whose fine words cannot hide feet of clay.

Information, not rumors, are crucial.
Honest data is your greatest need.
Seek out facts and find truthful teachers,
Who have not sold their own souls for greed.

Patriots died for your right to think and to choose,
And their spirits today watch and weep.
You’ve a whole lot of data to search and to sift,
But your heart’s fondest joy’s just to sleep.

Don’t give in to the coy voice of seduction
“We will handle it all, don’t you fret.
“Let’s just keep going “FORWARD”—to hell with the facts,
“That cliff that we see’s not here yet!”

*Thrall = a state of servitude or submission

Z said...

beamish, I'm more embarrassed by you than the post.
The facts are tweaked, congratulations for your version.

Anonymous said...

Re: "Why haven't Congress and the courts done anything?

Two reasons:

1. Obama is black. Mustn't give even the slightest appearance of racism, you know.

2. Maybe there isn't a second reason. "

No, there are actually two reasons:

1. Obama really was born in Hawaii, as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the birth notices in the newspapers and the Index Data and the absence of proof that his mother traveled abroad in 1961 all show.

2. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth.

JonBerg said...

Regardless of this fraud's point of origin it's, moreover, a moot point at this late date. He's there, he's been there and the damage that he has inflicted on this Nation is obvious as well as ubiquitous. The most important issue is that he not be given a further chance to complete his plans to destroy America and its greatness, as we know it!

Anonymous said...

Replying to JonBerg.

So, vote against him. I would fight to the death for your right to vote against Obama.

But the issue was Obama's eligibility. That is clear. He is eligible because he was born in Hawaii, and the evidence for that is overwhelming. And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Once again, if people want to vote against Obama or for Romney on the issues or for any reason, that is fine with me. It is only the claim that he is not eligible that I respond to, and I respond with the facts.

JonBerg said...

"So, vote against him."

Oh, you bet that I will! At this juncture I'm no longer concerned with issues of his origin.

Bob said...

Anonumus said:" The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth."

I think you are trying to close the sell you were making earlier using British common law. There is not not a concrete definition of natural born citizen, unless of course, it is actually taken to court and the court makes a judgement. So far, that hasn't happened.

Like I said, we all know that Obama is NOT an American. Look at his opinions, actions, personal and professional associations, and personal up-bringing.

He is citizen, but he is fooling no one on his intent.

Bob said...

"the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen."

Now, you are making it up. People born outside the United States whose parents are US Citizens are legally citizens of the US. The recent liberal birther moaning over John McCain's citizenship is an example.

Now, to keep people like you and Donald Trump from fabricating too many things, we need to pass laws, even Constitutional Amendments. The term does need definition, but yours falls short.

Z said...

Anonymous, I don't mind saying I think you're extremely naive.
Believe any link you want to. We don't have to.
He might very well be born here...as I said before, the country would be in flames if any other truth were known..........but enough liberals and conservatives and computer experts deny any of the many many birth certificates and cert's of live birth which have been presented.

And imagine TWO MILLION to hide a certificate? I'd be happy to share mine with you for $5, by the way.

Anonymous said...

Re: "And imagine TWO MILLION to hide a certificate? I'd be happy to share mine with you for $5, by the way. "

And imagine anyone believing the birther lies that Obama spent even one cent on hiding his birth certificate?

Those are absurd lies. For Obama to have spent any money, any money at all, on hiding his birth certificate, there would have had to have been a lawsuit against him (and only against him) that only asked for the birth certificate. If there were lawsuits that asked for Obama to be thrown off the ballot, and Obama spent money on them, they do not count as spending money on hiding his birth certificate.

Well, there were ONLY lawsuits that tried to have Obama thrown off of ballots. There was NEVER a lawsuit that was just for his birth certificate, and yet birthers dream that there was.

Well, dream on.

Obama was the first president or presidential candidate to show his birth certificate. The facts on it were repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, and by the Index Data, and by the birth notices that were sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961.

We know from (1) the DOH; (2) the newspaper; and (3) the name of the section of the newspaper, which was Health Bureau Records----that only the Department of Health of Hawaii sent out those birth notices to the newspapers in 1961.

We know from the DOH that in 1961 the DOH only sent out those records for the children that it had issued birth certificates to. And we know from both the DOH and from the Hawaii laws that in 1961 the DOH was not allowed to issue a birth certificate to a child who was not born in Hawaii.

In short, in Hawaii in 1961, a birth notice in the Health Bureau Statistics section of the newspapers, which Obama has, is proof that confirms his birth certificate that he was born IN HAWAII.

This, as I said, is merely confirming evidence to; (1) the birth certificate itself; (2) the confirmation of its existence and the accuracy of the facts on it by the officials of both parties in Hawaii, (3) the Index Data file; (4) a witness who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii and of writing home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in the USA of a child to a woman, also named Stanley.

AND, of course, there is not a shred of evidence that Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961---which would have been very rare for a woman late in pregnancy in those days, and the government of Kenya has eliminated birthers' claim that Obama was born there in an investigation.

A child brought into the USA, unless smuggled across the Mexican or Canadian border, requires a US travel document that would have had to have been applied for in the country of birth. No such document has been found for Obama, and the Bush Administration was in charge of those records for eight years until January of 2009. No such record has turned up. There is, in short, no proof that Obama or his mother traveled in 1961. There is overwhelming proof that he was born in Hawaii.

Anonymous said...

The original meaning of Natural Born Citizen came from the common law and referred only to the place of birth. After that there were legal changes that some said added the children of US citizens born overseas to Natural Born Citizen. Some scholars disagree that legislation can change the definition and that only the original meaning applies.


“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

The original definition, as you can see, refers to the place of birth. Obama, having been born in Hawaii----as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties and the Index Data, and the birth notices sent to the newspapers and the witness who wrote home to her father named Stanley about the birth in Hawaii to a woman named Stanley all show---is a Natural Born US Citizen.

Here, btw, is an example of how the term was used in 1803---shortly after the Constitution went into effect.


"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration. ...St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA. (1803)

As you can see, that refers only to the place of birth, not to parents. Natural Born Citizens were simply "those born within the state."

And here is how it was used in 1829:

"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed. (1829)

There are NO examples of American writers using Natural Born at the time---either before or after the Constitution was written---that say that Natural Born refers to parents, or that the writers of the US Constitution were following Vattel (who is not even mentioned once in the Federalist Papers).

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, you are FULL OF CRAP.
Of COURSE the whole point is showing a b.c. for the legality of keeping on the ballot...who gives a DAMN otherwise where the hell he was born?
Look up Philip Berg's lawsuit for ONE. The LIBERAL who loves the constitution too much to let this go by with at least paying attention to the thousands of computer experts who DO deny the b.c.'s authenticity.

And stop insulting me and my readers, who the hell do you think you are?

I've held my tongue for a long bit with you, and have never spoken like this to any of my readers (or many in real life, frankly) and am DONE with putting up with your smarmy conceited comments.

Z

Anonymous said...

Re Phil Berg. He makes MONEY with his lawsuits. He made MONEY with his lawsuits that claimed that George Bush was behind the 911 plot. BTW one reason that Berg brought the lawsuit, in addition to making money on it, was that he was a backer of Hillary.

"Thousands of computer experts"---???

WND has quoted about five or six including one who has claimed that he found the original altar of Abraham and another that keeps on insisting that Obama never went to Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that he did attend, and in fact graduated.

he following experts say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, and the State of Hawaii, which is the real expert on whether or not its birth certificate is forged, certainly hasn’t.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, a independent computer professional, who happens to be a member of THE TEA PARTY (so he is hardly a supporter of Obma) said in a book, his web site and series of videos that the claims of fakery that he examined were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” (and BTW, when Zatkovich sent in the article that WND had commissioned, in which Zatkovich said that he did not believe that Obama's birth certificate was forged, WND simply did not print it.

Stephen T. McCarthy said...

DEAR Z ~
There is a hell of a lot more wrong with the (blatantly forged) birth certificate that Barack “USAP” Obama released to the Americonned People than you’ve mentioned in this blog bit. (That thing is phonier than a four dollar bill!)

Back in April, some pseudo-intellectual liberal (as if there’s any other kind) named Dan Lynch tried to challenge me over my contention that B.O.’s B.C. is a bad forgery. I responded to him, hitting him in the mouth with a ‘fact sandwich’. He never did come back again (was probably too busy trying to find his scattered teeth – a ‘fact sandwich’ can be hard on a loudmouthed lib’s mouth, ya know?)

Just how phony IS that birth certificate? Well, to quote a friend of mine from one of his recent blog bits: “How about Romney promises to thank the troops if Obama apologizes to them for lying to them. And then they both produce a friggin' birth certificate that was not forged by a kindergarten kid on a iPad?”

The question that REALLY needs to be asked is this: Why have supposedly “conservative” pundits like Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and Michael Medved mocked “birthers” rather than inform their listeners/readers just how much evidence the “birthers” have to support their argument?

Answer THAT question, and you will discover what is REALLY wrong in American politics! (Hint: It is NOT a two-party system. There is only ONE party but, like a coin, it has two sides.)

Anyway, I just now discovered your blog via another blogger whom I “Follow”, and I have now signed up to “Follow” your blog as well. Keep up the good fight, Sister!

~ D-FensDogg
‘Loyal American Underground’

beamish said...

beamish, I'm more embarrassed by you than the post.

You really didn't expect to post blithering idiocy and not get called on it, did you? I thought you knew me better than that.

The facts are tweaked, congratulations for your version.

No, the facts were in my reply you deleted. I suppose that deletion made you feel your stupidity went retroactively unchallenged.

Anonymous said...

The facts on Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate have been repeatedly confirmed by the officials of BOTH political parties in Hawaii.

The latest confirmation was accepted by the Conservative secretary of state of Arizona, who ruled that Obama’s name should be placed on the ballot of that state. The birth certificate is also confirmed by the Index Data and by the birth notices sent to the newspapers in Hawaii in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii.

Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of the long-form birth certificate that was passed around in the White House Press room, and the statement of the reporter who photographed it that she had felt the raised seal:

http://lockerz.com/s/96540721

Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of Obama’s short form birth certificate, front and back.

http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

Here is confirmation that it is the official birth certificate that Hawaii issues

(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)

Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.

And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html

And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:

http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece

Here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

I can also show that the newspapers in Hawaii did not accept birth notices for the birth notice listings from any source other than the Hawaii government in 1961, and the Hawaii government did not issue birth certificates to people born outside of Hawaii in 1961, and the Hawaii government only sent out birth notices to the papers for children who had received Hawaii birth certificates, and the government of Hawaii checked claims of birth at home, demanding a witness statement.

And here is the Index Data:

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2011/04/in_hawaii_its_easy_to_get_birt.html

And here is the proof that the Conservative Secretary of State of Arizona accepted Hawaii’s confirmation that Obama was born there, and that he ruled that Obama will be on the ballot in Arizona:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/arizona-secretary-of-state-ken-bennett-satisfied-obama-was-born-in-united-states/2012/05/23/gJQAN1czkU_blog.html