Friday, September 14, 2012

Have Communists won America after all?

We hope you'll want to answer our questions at the end of the post!

Geeez has noted a few heated and interesting discussions recently, mostly between those who disparage the notion that America is moving toward Marxist ideology and those who believe that such a movement is underway —and has been for a while now. At the outset, we do believe we are moving toward Marxist ideology and it concerns us. What concerns us more than this is the lack of anxiety among most Americans that we are heading in this decidedly un-American direction.

Let us begin with a generic definition of communism. It is an ideology centered around the concept of socialism: creating a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured on the idea of common ownership of the means of production. The road to communism creates “social order” throughout its various stages of progress. Communist ideology intends totalitarian control from central authority, and distribution of its collective wealth: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Socialism per se is a transitional stage to a Marxist state.

In our view, history does not treat communism too kindly. There are more than a few variants of communism: under Marxist communism, Leninist, Stalinist, Trotskyism, Maoist, Titoism, Euro-communism, Libertarian Marxism, Left Communism, and Situationism. All of these are constructs that make communism acceptable to various cultures. Other variants include black liberation theology, Christian communism, and anarchist Marxism. Under all of these examples, central authority recognizes no limits to its authority. We call this totalitarianism.

We do not wish to engage in name-calling. We do not refer to individuals as communists simply because we disagree with them; we refer to people as communists because that is what they are. It may not be politically correct or even kind to associate persons with the barbarity of communism, but when we observe a particular behavior and are able to associate that behavior with communist ideology, then the individual behaving in that unmistakable way is a communist.

What is communist behavior? Nations that embrace communist ideology share these common denominators: government seizure of private property; government action to redistribute private wealth; government discredits all opposition; government or cooperative censorship; restriction of human rights and constitutional guarantees; the establishment of a national constabulary.

In addition, persons who pursue communist ideology (indeed, any related fascist regimen) elevate their national party head to god-like status (think Greek columns). The national leader can do no wrong; the national leader knows better what is good for us than we do ourselves. Anyone who disagrees with the national leader is wrong, disloyal, and warrants social ostracism —as if unclean or leprous.

Communist behavior includes the supposition that the average Joe is incapable of deciding things for himself; he must have a proactive government to prevent him from making grievous errors. Likewise, only a village can raise a child. Everyone has the right to succeed. Mothers have the right to murder their unborn children. Society has an obligation to purchase and distribute, at the taxpayer’s expense, contraceptives, and sex toys. No one has the right to express their belief in God because there is no room for God in a secular society. There are no inalienable rights: all human rights come from other humans. And there is one additional concept popular among communists: never let a good crisis go to waste.

Does any of this ring a bell? We believe the evidence is overwhelming that the United States of America is moving ever steadily toward a Marxist state. We believe that while both political parties contribute to this march to self-destruction, one has shown a particular affinity for communist ideology.

Has the United States seized (or nationalized) private property? By order of President George W. Bush, Republican, the United States government seized several privately held industries and financial institutions. They were infused with a trillion dollars of taxpayer money, and in three years there has been no substantial “stimulus” to the American economy.

There are several ways of taking someone’s property and giving it to someone else. The easiest and most unnoticeable way of doing this is through tax law and policy. Here is probably a good opportunity to mention the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act, popularly known as Obama Care, which is a fraud perpetrated against the American people of epic proportions.

Governments moving toward a Marxist state seek to diminish individual rights and human liberty, even to the extent of making American citizens and states subordinate to the will of United Nations mandates, and by imposing upon the general population such indignities as pat-downs at airports, even among young children and the elderly. A Marxist government will publish findings that accuse Christians, gun owners, and returning war veterans as particularly worrisome to national security, while ignoring totally the people who actually do pose this danger.

Marxist governments always seek to establish a national constabulary. In 2007, Barack Obama made the following statement: “We cannot continue to rely upon our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.” While the meaning of this statement is clear enough, we have yet to see any evidence of the creation of a civilian constabulary, but it remains hard to imagine that any president would even think of creating a civilian agency intending to compete with a robust armed force.

In a nation moving toward Marxism, look for the government to impose censorship of information vital to a free society. It is impossible to say with any degree of certainty that the Obama administration is censoring information beyond that which is normally required to safeguard national security. On the other hand, we may argue that the American press has imposed censorship; it has become Obama’s handmaiden. Rarely do we find President Obama criticized in the national press, but we often find the press is actually covering for him. It is a treatment denied to Obama’s predecessors, including Bill Clinton.

Related to state and cooperative censorship, a society in pursuit of communist ideology always seeks to discredit its political opponent; it often accomplishes this by employing unsophisticated epithets and Ad hominem attacks, including Ad hominem tu quoque argumentation.

Please answer the following questions in our comments section:

1 As a citizen, do you think the United States is moving toward a Marxist state? If not, please try to explain the transformation of the Democratic Party from American liberalism to that of neo-Marxism.

2. Why are so many loathe to call Marxist behavior what it is, and insist on calling it corporatism?

3. Why do so many Americans actively support or enable this shift to communist ideology?

4 Given the oath taken by all military personnel, politicians, mid-high level bureaucrats, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, why do so many of these people appear nonchalant about the transformation taking place within our beloved America?

5. Is there anything we can do, as citizens, to prevent the adoption of communism within our culturally unique form of government?

We're eager to hear your responses.   Thanks.

By Mustang.....with a very little help from Z

111 comments:

beamish said...

1 As a citizen, do you think the United States is moving toward a Marxist state?

No.

If not, please try to explain the transformation of the Democratic Party from American liberalism to that of neo-Marxism.

Marx is the wrong tree to bark up. This forest is Mussolini.

2. Why are so many loathe to call Marxist behavior what it is, and insist on calling it corporatism?

Corporatism is probably the more relevant descriptor, but we're still talking about an undesireable outcome.


3. Why do so many Americans actively support or enable this shift to communist ideology?

Perhaps as Americans we have a hubristic sense that we can make communism work where inferior, sub-American cultures have failed to do so.

But really, let's stop playing around. We're heading for disaster because the most lazy, freeloading, useless and mendicant subset of humanity ever conceived, the American Baby Boomer generation, is getting balked at by the generations they want to pass their $16 Trillion national debt to.

4 Given the oath taken by all military personnel, politicians, mid-high level bureaucrats, to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, why do so many of these people appear nonchalant about the transformation taking place within our beloved America?

The other day here in Missouri an anti-government blogger was shot and nearly killed by a gang calling itself the Crawford County Sheriff's Department, a conflict which arose from the man's avante garde internet-posted description of how a certain judge should be removed from office.

Simply put, it's shotgun vs. Hellfire missile. We couldn't overthrow this government even if it wasn't paying us to sit on our asses.


5. Is there anything we can do, as citizens, to prevent the adoption of communism within our culturally unique form of government?

Yes, but prudence demands I not post practical information on how a squad of 15 men could paralyze a major metropolitan city anywhere in America with improvised weaponry easily assembled from stock merchandise at Wal-Mart.


DaBlade said...

A third of families headed by single mothers are in poverty, and they are four times more likely than married-couple families to be poor. Today, more than 40% of births in this country is outside of marriage. Then the NEA gets hold of the little crumb crunchers and the indoctrination is complete. It all started out sounding so compassionate back in the days of the "Great Society" I imagine. Yet it has brought us to the brink of collapse, as we sit in the rapidly heating pot of water like the clueless frog.

3. Why do so many Americans actively support or enable this shift to communist ideology?

It's an unholy alliance between the atheist secular true believers of this twisted ideology and those who are so misguided as to think it's "Christian" to support big govt "social justice" programs instead of personal responsibility to love your neighbor through direct charitable contributions.
As for #5, I'm just waiting for the "let's roll!" queue.

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Constitutional Insurgent said...

-I don't have my normal spellcheck on this computer at work, so I couldn't bear to see my original post in public view.-

I do think that there has been a subtle shift from the rugged individualism [to coin the phrase] to a dependance on the State. This has occurred due to measures by both major parties, as was pointed out, and has occurred due to the ever increasing paradigm of regulation and licensing that any budding entrepanuer is forced to negotiate.

But the shift has been far more toward crony captialism than the traditional defintions of Communism and/or Marxism, which is why I don't find it instructive to use those terms loosely.

So many people have allowed this to happen because each party has done an admirable job in convincing it's base that they're truly fighting for their people. The left is somewhat of a lost cause in this respect, but I can't sit by and acquiece to the GOP convincing their base that they are taking a stand against this paradigm shift...all the while aiding and abetting it.

The other reason this is occurring is that there are so many comepting meme's and half truths in the political sphere, most people simply latch on the set espoused by their party, and view the other party as 'anti-American'.

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Richard said...

What's All This Cock 'n Bull About?
The Obamboozler has gone through our allies like he's went through the treasury. He has not only bankrupted us financially, militarily, and diplomatically, in under 4 years, and some of you FOOLS want to give him 4 more years?. If you haven't learned that Obama doesn't know diddly-squat about foreign policy or what he is doing or saying by now, then I think there is No Hope for you at all.
Both the Obamboozler and Hillary Clinton are in way over their heads, and they have definitely showed it on this crises. .

And as for Mitt Romney's statement over this, I guess I'm confused about the Progressives take on this. Romney is running for the President of the United States and therefor he SHOULD be commenting on something like the situation in the Middle East, and his opponents way of dealing with it... . So, why is there a problem? The timing? Bull-shit, this is hard ball my friends, there is no dancing around this.

I did a bit of research on this and found that the main stream media including ABC, CBS, NBC spent more than 9 minutes on Wednesday night Bull-Shitting about Mitt Romney's statement about it. But in contrast they spent just 25 seconds criticizing Obama and the administration's handling of the crisis.

Pardon me but who is the one that fumbled the ball here? And we suppose to feel outraged over Romney's statement? Sorry, but I'm not feeling the outrage at all.

Romney's statement was right on target, and I guess because it was was devastating to Obama is the real reason why it pissed off the media and the Progressives as well... They just can't handle the truth.. And on another note, It wasn't Romney who ran off to fund-raisers right afterwords, was it, and where is Obama today.. at two fund-raisers in New York followed by an appearance on the David Letterman show.
All this and he Didn't Have Time To Meet With Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu today? Humm, seems peculiar to me.

Marine4ever said...

"4 Given the oath taken by all military personnel..."

I am STILL TRYING to DEFEND the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES against ALL ENEMIES, foreign and DOMESTIC.

My oath DID NOT STOP when I took off the uniform.

Ducky's here said...

The comrades and I will have a good chuckle over this one at this weekend's cell meeting.

Marine4ever said...

I have NO DOUBT that you will, Ducky.

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Marine4ever said...

"...weaponry easily assembled from stock merchandise at Wal-Mart."

If there's still a Wal-Mart around.

But, whatever we have to do, LEAVE THE TREES ALONE... and the whales.

Robert Sinclair said...

I don’t feel like answering these questions. I didn’t come here for an examination. I will only say this: for years, the American people have given up the lives of their children to preserve the right of human beings to remain free from despotism —the kind of tyranny that exists in communism, National Socialism, and American progressivism. Now suddenly, at least a third of this country rally around concepts clearly communist in origin, but choose to call it the Democratic platform. I don’t understand how any thinking, rational person can accept this shift, nor do I think we should call any such person an American.

Silverfiddle said...

What trips up People like Ducky, is that he is thinking old-style Soviet Communism.

Of course, ideas are updated and dressed in modern clothing. Yes, we are becoming more socialistic.

Liberalmann said...

Funny to see when the election gets closer and it becomes clearer that RMoney is behind, loony wingnut blogs get even more outlandish, like this post. Lol! Good try!

Liberalmann said...

Pants On Fire: Mitt Romney tells 616 Lies in 33 Weeks

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/09/08/mitt-romney-616-lies-in-33-weeks/

Jack Whyte said...

Mr. Washington told us that government is a fearful master. If one dares to suggest armed insurrection on this or on any other venue, which I have no doubt has government’s complete attention, do not be surprised to find yourself in this situation. As incomprehensible as we think this might have been, it is still better than this reaction by tyrannical government. Let caution be your guide, Beamish.

Darth Bacon said...

Obama still has him beat when it comes to telling lies!

JonBerg said...

1) Yes, incrementally ( think "frog boling").

2) Marxism still has a negative connotation so euphemisms such as "corporatism" are applied.

3) Karl Marx was right. “Democracy is the road to socialism” – in a nation hell-bent upon voting itself gifts from the public trough. Once an electorate is hooked on government solutions to personal self-induced problems, like a junkie on crack, the democratic process once used to guarantee individual freedom is perverted into a tool used to extinguish individual freedom. Democrats call it a greater good. The rest of the world calls it socialism.

4) I'm afraid that not enough people are familiar with or understand the Constitution which, in the case of politicians, may just become an obstacle to their self-serving agendas.

5) As long as there is a preponderance of those who will elect and support the likes of our Marxist-in-Chief it will be very difficult to accomplish this in a civil manner. Thankfully those, with some exceptions, on this and other blog sites give hope that all is not lost yet. Should enough people 'wake up' I pray that we will not have drifted into the Marxist abyss beyond the-point-of- no return!

conservativesonfire said...

Commubism on a large scale jas not, can not, and will not work. It goes against human nature. It has always been tried by forcing on people by powerful and brutal governments. Communism has worked more or les on very small scales where a group of people decide for themselves to live in collective communes. They generally have had a religious orientation.

As for the question of is America on the path of beconing a communist/socialist state, I agree with beamish. There was a time when TPTB believed communuism was what they wanted because it would give them the greastest amount of power and wealth. Over time, they learned of the inherent weaknesses off communism; especially in its ability to generate wealth for them. TPTB now perceive a differnt appraoch is what they need. They now are planning a hybrid of communism and capitalism where mega-corporations, oligopolies, will be partnered with a socialist government. That is the definition of fascism. The acedemic elites still believe that Marxist socialism is where we are heading and they actively support it. The media elite believve the same, as well as, numerous politicians. At the appropriate time, these people too will be thrown under the bus by TPTB.

FreeThinke said...

I removed my two-part post, because I intend to use it as an article very soon at


http://freethinkesblog.blogspot.com/?zx=da63e836789862c5


Excellent questions. Much appreciated.

Thank you.

~ FT

Ed Bonderenka said...

I once asked Bill Bennett on air as to why he wouldn't refer to Obama as a socialist and he replied that "socialist" doesn't carry the stigma it once did and in some corners is seen as a benefit.

Marine4ever said...

"Have Communists won America after all?"

I think Ed Bonderenka's comment is a pretty good indication.

FrogBurger said...

Ed is correct. Two people in the past 6 months have told me socialism isn't bad.

Bob said...

We believe the evidence is overwhelming that the United States of America is moving ever steadily toward a Marxist state.

Yes. Listen to what the Administration says, and language in which they say it. "Income redistribution", "social justice", "environmental justice". It is all contrived terms to mealy-mouth what is really happening.

As a point of interest, I believe that communism, fascism, and Nazi-ism are derivatives of socialism. Socialism was around before the others, and was the well-spring of demented social ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_socialism

You did get it right, though. They are all peas from the same rotten pod.

Sam Huntington said...

I would submit however, that those same failing can be applied to many other POTUSs as well

I do understand this sentiment; it is difficult to exhibit pride in one’s country when all we are able to produce as leaders, or potential leaders, are the likes of Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bush I and Bush II, Clinton, and Obama. No one can argue that any of these men improved our nation, other than to the extent that it helped salve their tender egos. Not even Bill Clinton is willing to take responsibility for his incompetence, which led to extreme consequences for thousands of Americans.

And of course, why should any American feel good about a nation who the left reminds us is not extraordinary, filled to overflowing with venture capitalists, and politicians who would sell their daughters for just a little more power, just a little extra cash. Isn’t it part of the communist methodology to make Americans feel as if they are gutter scum, like everyone else in the world? So why should THEY get to have a superior form of government?

The question remains. Why adopt an ideology with such an abysmal record of failure, over our own system that, not without some disappointments, is light years superior to Marxism?

Marine4ever said...

Why, Sam? Because, according to the party of liberalism (spelled COMMUNISTS) they've never had the right leader.

Mustang said...

Perhaps our problems originate with this: the American people, dismally educated, do not understand that the American people are bound together by a covenant: our Constitution. They seem not to realize that since we elect individuals to represent our interests in government, we must take care to ensure that those representatives share OUR ideas, OUR concerns, and the direction that WE wish to see our country go. As Clint Eastwood said, these “representatives” work for US. If we do a poor job selecting these representatives, then we can only expect a less than satisfactory result. If we ignore their incompetence, we do so at our own peril.

Moreover, if someone works to defeat the Constitution (our covenant), then they work to undermine that thing which binds us together. They seek to destroy that which we have built.

That so few people appear concerned is deeply disturbing to me.

Ed Bonderenka said...

@ Bob:
you're right about the ism's.
You'd find Liberal Fascism interesting.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Mussolini and Hitler were 'charismatic' individuals.
People became enthralled with them when they spoke.
Obama inspires similarly.
Doesn't matter what rationale you use in an argument, his devotee's are not won with rational argument.
They are subjective.

Sam Huntington said...

Ignoring the reality of King Obama for just a moment, who is the real sovereign in the United States? James Madison believed it was public opinion—and this is why Madison persuaded Jefferson to adopt a uniquely American version of Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man.

We should thus wonder why the American left attacks so vehemently, the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Ruth Bader Ginsberg is no friend of our Constitution, and neither are the other two lesbians in the Supreme Court. If public opinion can be guided by the left, they have won. If the left can convince the American people that socialism is the natural progression of an enlightened society, the left has won.

Is this what we want? Is this what we will accept? More government, less liberty?

FrogBurger said...

who is the real sovereign in the United States?

The banks and the Federal Reserve. Yesterday's move showed it again.

Ducky's here said...

Sam, I notice you left out Saint Ronnie Raygun.

What did he do for the country?

Iran/Contra?

Big deficit run up?

Big tax increase?

Why did you leave him out?
I realize that the key to understanding the fringe right mind is to understand the umbilical connection to St. Raygun but his particulars seem to be lacking.

Cut and run to embolden terrorists at Beirut airport?

What's the deal?

FrogBurger said...

He and Gorbatchev made Berlin 89 happen. That's a major f'ing deal, Commie Ducky. I know you didn't like it but having seen the wall in 88 and been in East Germany, I'm glad your beloved GDR is no more.

Jack Whyte said...

1. Yes, I do think this is true. Democrats learned through Wilson that the way to achieve power, and keep it, is to divide Americans into various categories and then set those various classes of people against one another. It was an sinister plan, but it has worked. Create Jim Crow Laws that assigns blacks as second-class citizens, and then tell these people that conservatives are their enemy. Promise the poor something in exchange for their support, deliver it at the expense of others, and tell these disenfranchised people how much Democrats care for them. More government, as suggested, means less liberty. This is okay for those in power, among the poor and not too bright easily led down the yellow brick road. Disguise the crusade as “progressivism,” which in modern terms, is just another way of saying Marxism.
2. Stalin was fond of calling enablers “useful idiots”. Today’s Americans have been told to suppress their opinions, to avoid hurting anyone’s feelings—even when you are speaking the truth, or offering a considered opinion. The other day, someone called Sam a bigot for daring to have an opinion, and the audacity of expressing it. This has been gong on for a long while now, this political correctness designed to shut us up. And so many Americans are loathe to call Marxist behavior what it is because they’ve been brainwashed by … communists. Corporatism is simply another way of dividing people up into various groups. The effect of setting citizens upon one another seems to be a favorite stratagem among the heathen communists.
3. Americans are a lethargic lot. Truth be known, the average citizen was never too bright, which caused Hamilton to wonder: if a person isn’t bright enough to own property, is he bright enough to vote? Look around. People are either self-absorbed, or they have mind-melded with their electronic toys. People cannot even drive to the store without texting en route. So these non thinking morons accept whatever they are told to accept by the idiots in government, you know … “You can find out what is in the bill after we have passed it.” Everyone turned over and went back to sleep. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it? Why weren’t tens of millions of people crowding into the Nation’s Capital demanding the resignation of Nancy Pelosi from congress?
4. I think you are asking why some people, including senior officials and military leaders, take an oath to support and defend, but then as soon as no one is looking, they set aside their oath to pursue selfish interests. I can’t explain this … other than to suggest that not every official is a good American. I can point to a few high ranking military officers who I think should be in prison, along with the likes of Albrecht, Clinton, Bush, and Obama.
5. Citizens can think about the issues before they vote on them. Citizens can think carefully about political candidates before deciding to vote for them. Citizens who love America can begin standing up for America again. Don’t let these communist POS force you to sit down and shut up. Stand up and push back. Don’t hesitate to tell your representatives in Washington that you refuse to vote for anyone who is a Marxist, not matter how mild their brand of communism.

Mustang said...

@ Beamish

Does it matter whether the snake bite comes from a cobra or a krait?

Louis H. said...

M. Reagan a aidé les Etats-Unis récupérer après Jimmy Carter, qui a été un désastre sur tous les fronts. Je dois émettre l'avis que la gauche ne semble pas être très bon pour les Américains.

M. Ducky doit être un communiste, oui?

FrogBurger said...

Monsieur Canard est un coco en effet.

Sam Huntington said...

Ducky, the fact is that I rarely have anything to say to you. This is because I am in complete agreement with Warren: you are a POS and I find no value conversing with you about anything.

FrogBurger said...

Since my coming to the US, my biggest surprise at the American people, was that most of them are totally unable to understand political ideas and situate themselves on the political scale.

For example, a former teacher and self-proclaimed liberal and Obama voter, told me one day he didn't believe in redistribution of wealth.

I find people very confused sometimes. They don't take the time to think about their own beliefs and be introspective about them.

The naive and optimistic nature of Americans also has a downside in regard to that. People will let the left make a lot of damage before they realize what it does.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Mustang said:
"the American people, dismally educated, do not understand that the American people are bound together by a covenant: our Constitution."
That sums it up.
Fish, in his review of D'Souza's 2016, said that the problem with that movie is that D'Souza assumes that notions of what things are "American" are driven by an unwarranted bias.
Fish says that if Obama is an "American" citizen, then any ideal he proposes is an American ideal.
I posit that an "American" ideal must be supportive of the Constitution.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Frogburger, what you say about their confusion correlates with what I said about their being subjective.
They don't rest on principle.

FrogBurger said...

You're right Ed. They rest on their narcissism and what's good and easier to them.

I also think the 2 party system doesn't help the process of figuring your position on the political scale.

Impertinent said...

Translation from Louis..as best as I can do it.


Mr. Reagan helped the United States to recover after Jimmy Carter, that was a disaster on all the foreheads. I must emit the opinion that the left does not seem to be very good for the Americans.

Mr. Ducky must be a Communist, yes?

Mustang said...

I’m not sure I agree, Frogburger; multiparty systems often demand coalition governments, which do not always offer coherent policies. Multiparty systems usually evolve into two classifications: major parties, and minor parties. Do we really want a five party system where one dominates all national politics?

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FrogBurger said...

Mustang, you didn't read what I wrote.

I said the two party system makes it harder to think about political ideas.

When you're in France, you have a choice between Communists, Socialists (Hollande), Left radicals, Centrist (Bayrou), Center right (Sarkozy), Libertarians (super super super small, Madelin) and the National Front (Le Pen).

It makes you think. You get to hear different points of view whereas the two parties, when they communicate officially via conventions, have to stick to their message.

So if you do not question things, you can't think about ideas in depth.

FrogBurger said...

Mustang, you didn't read what I wrote.

I said the two party system makes it harder to think about political ideas.

When you're in France, you have a choice between Communists, Socialists (Hollande), Left radicals, Centrist (Bayrou), Center right (Sarkozy), Libertarians (super super super small, Madelin) and the National Front (Le Pen).

It makes you think. You get to hear different points of view whereas the two parties, when they communicate officially via conventions, have to stick to their message.

So if you do not question things, you can't think about ideas in depth.

Mustang said...

Ah, yes I see your point. I guess I have limited confidence in the average American voter. If our citizens are incapable of giving their attention to two party politics, if they so willingly give up American federalism to communist utopianism, it is hard to imagine they will fare well under a five party system.

FrogBurger said...

I'm not saying it's better. I'm just stating the downside of it.

I don't know what's best. I don't think it changes things. Because once the poison of the left has spread, 2 or 10 parties won't fix things.

Leticia said...

1. Yes, absolutely, since the day Obama was elected, the downfall began.

2. Easy, political correctness. If they were to call it Marxism people, liberals, would realize that they were mistaken in voting in a socialist.

3. Because they have been convinced that the wealthy should help the lazy and give them some of their hard-earned money. OR they believe the government should take care of them. Bottom line... people need to work if they want to eat. Some don't want that responsibility.

4. This has occurred because liberal politicians believe that our constitution is archaic and should be changed to accommodate their agenda and to revoke the freedom of the people. That they know what's better for us than we do. Which is a huge falsehood. Our founders knew exactly what they were doing when they painstakingly wrote the constitution to Protect the People.

5. Yes, it's time to vote anyone who supports communism, socialism and Marxism. We need leaders to follow our constitution and not stray from it.

Richard said...

Obama doesn't know diddly-squat about foreign policy or what he is doing or saying?
But Sarah Palin is dumb. Right. Here is a guy who is too busy playing Golf, appearing on the Letterman show, or going to fundraisers, is more important than getting briefed on crucial foreign policy issues 4 years into his term because he is so convinced on his own brilliance, he assumes he has nothing to learn. and now our foreign service officers are paying for it with their lives. And the dimwitted PROGRESSIVE'S say that this blunder is totally Romney's fault!

Bottom line is that getting rid of Hosni Mubarak wasn't a great idea after all.

Impertinent said...

@Leticia..

Huh?

"Yes, it's time to vote anyone who supports communism, socialism and Marxism.."

FrogBurger said...

Side note: there's this French site measuring the activity of French representatives. Is there something like this in the US? It's really cool. Check this page and scroll down. You can see who's working more: the blue side, which is the right in France.

Mustang said...

@ Imp

I think she mistakenly omitted the word "out" ... as in, it's time to vote out anyone.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Imp, I'm sure that was a typo on Leticia's part.
I wondered about it but realized she really meant either:
"vote out" or "shoot".
Maybe she'll clear it up for us.

Mustang said...

@ Richard:

The only people who feared Hosni Mubarak were those who belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. Ask the Coptic Christians if they feared Mubarak. Meanwhile, Obama remains an idiot.

Thersites said...

Mr. ducky is a communist? Really? Which kind?

Impertinent said...

@Mustang & Ed


Thanks guys...but ya never know...ya know?

Ed Bonderenka said...

No, I don't. I never know. Ya know? :)

Impertinent said...

Does anyone find this topic as distressing as I do?

That even having a conversation like this...in this country today...is terribly depressing as well as down right frightening?

That we could even think that a sitting president would take us down a path that history knows is a failed, corrupt and empty ideology?

Why are we here? Asking this of ourselves? How could this have happened to the greatest country known to mankind ( except for ducky and libturd ) in the past 236 years?

What other country has lasted as long as we have and with the stability this country has offered to the entire world?

What other country on the planet offers what we do?

What other country sees and allows foreigners to enter illegally without paying a penalty...or be jailed immediately?

Why have we become a huge buffet where no one contributes....no one pays anymore...or thinks they have to...and get money back from their zero income taxes?

The line keeps getting longer and longer...while not only is the money to support the thieves is running out....so is the menu.

For us that is. For those who do produce and contribute.

Imagine going into an "eat all you want" restaurant....and watching the "customers" fill up 4,5 or 10 plates and keep on eating...then ask for a doggie bag until they fill up again the next day.

WTF has happened to us? To our laws? To our government that thinks food stamps are good for the economy?

Or to a sheet head 'president' that thinks that $500 million for 200 jobs is a bargain?

Or 1 trillion is spent to secure 550 jobs?

If this POS is reelected....we won't have to worry about the borders any more...people will be tearing down the fences...to LEAVE.

Mustang said...

Does anyone recall the following?

Before the incident that killed Officer Brian Terry, Obama went to Mexico and informed their parliament that the USA bears responsibility for drug violence since most of the guns used by the cartel came from guns shops on our side of the border. We now know that this was total bullshit; the drug cartel was getting guns and munitions from the US ATF, operation “fast and furious.”

Around this time, Senator Kay Bailey-Hutchinson claimed to support providing modern weapons to the Mexican Army so that they at least had firepower parity with the drug cartel. With that in mind, check out this video where one fellow states that the cartel get’s 75% of its weapons from the Mexican Army. Is there a pattern here?

Richard said...

The short of it all.
The Obamboozler has burned through our allies like he's burned through the treasury. He has bankrupted us financially, militarily, and diplomatically, all this in under 4 years, and you FOOLS want to give him 4 more years?.
Obama doesn't know diddly-squat about foreign policy or what he is doing or saying?
But Sarah Palin is dumb. Right. Here is a guy who is too busy playing Golf, appearing on the Letterman show, or going to fundraisers, is more important than getting briefed on crucial foreign policy issues 4 years into his term because he is so convinced on his own brilliance, he assumes he has nothing to learn. and now our foreign service officers are paying for it with their lives. And the dimwitted PROGRESSIVE'S say that this blunder is totally Romney's fault!

Bottom line is that getting rid of Hosni Mubarak wasn't a great idea after all.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

Churchill had it spot on, the democratic party and liberals are the ideology of failure, ignorance and envy.

And all who flock to them will be consumed by it. Steer clear folks, after 4 years, that's what you've got, what makes you think another 4 years will bring you any better.

Mustang said...

@ Imp

It is distressing. Z and I discussed this; we wanted to post the article because we want people talking about it, and acting on it. Otherwise ... if we don't stand up to defeat these communists at every turn, we are lost. It matters that we defeat Obama in November; but it matters more than Americans remain ever vigilant because we know from our experience over the past 60 years, the progressive neo-communists will be back with another candidate later on. And we must remain vigilant because there are some people with R’s behind their name every bit as inclined toward socialism as George Bush. Reagan said it best:

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.

GB said...

Hey Shaw... Talk about shooting first! Obama shot first with the white Cambridge cop. He shot first with Tayvon Martin. I'd say that Incompetent comes to mind......or rather, dereliction of duty.....put that into your bias blog.. Obama has been and does remain an embarrassment as a man and president...
Bottom line: Obama is a wimp Carter was a wimp and Regan was not... Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Impertinent said...

@Mustang.

A response that was most appreciated.

I think we have alternatives....if he is elected again. And if he is...we will witness or abide the virtual destruction of this country.

I think...I know...that this son of a bitch is determined to turn us into a dependent, failed welfare state...and hand us over to his f..king executive proclamations and directives.

He's the son of a whore...a product of an Ayers and Alinsky / Soros disease that's become fashionable today.

That the GD worms will continue to burrow into us...sicken us to the point where we cannot recover. He's a GD cancer....a walking talking lying fraud.

And I really think we're doomed as a Republic. I swear to God that's how I feel.

And you and me and my brother Marine...didn't serve to see this country slide down this scumbags, shit hole.

He wants a civilian "force" equal to our armed services? WTF do you think he means? The GD NBPP as his security force?

I...detest this asshole. If I ever meet him...I'd spit on him. And go to jail.

Kid said...

The blueprint for today's America started in 1963 with LBJ. The Russians assassinated JFK because he knew teh democrats under LBJ would at best be too pathetic to call them on it.

LBJ welfare.

Various useless republican administrations followed but none turned back the liberal/communist tide.

jimmy carter came along and took a sledgehammer to America's foundations, dept of ed/propaganda, dept of energy to make sure we'd always be weak energy-wise, etc.

Ronald Reagan did some great things but didn't turn anything back. He did have a democrat Congress. it's amazing he got anything done.

clinton came along with nafta, got credit for the Reagan economy, and sent all the jobs to China and elsewhere to make us even more dependent.

obama comes along and is putting the major hurt on America by moving rapidly towars total socialism. obamacare and massive dept will make that happen if it isn't reversed.

What to do about it? Tea Party majority ASAP. If that doesn't work, the only thing left is revolution but you need the military command on your side for that.

My persona plan if they vote in obama again is use as many ways as possible to get money from the federal government, like small business loan. I'm more indian than eliz warren "HOW!" see. and then take forever and a day to pay it back.

These idiot children that voted for socialism/fascism can pay that bill for me.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Ya know Imp, wouldn't it be neat if we could surround him and chant "Shame!".
Crowds.

Kid said...

Constitutional insurgent, c_bob here. Yea, exactly.

Impertinent said...

@Kid...

"the only thing left is revolution but you need the military command on your side for that."..

And that is the real question...would we be able to count on the Generals....( I know the Marines would follow ) if it came to that?

Think...who could we count on whose not interested in his career and pension?

I'm reminded of the film..The Rock.

Patriots who defended the country.


I think there's many in the military that hate DADT and Muslims in our ranks...especially after Ft. Hood.

They Say/We Say said...

I'll say it once more-I've said it before, and posted on it several times like a broken record.
If no one can see what I'm talking about then we are lost FOREVER!
If no one Has The Brass but me (yea it worked before but the putzes did not have the Brass to use the correct language in the Supreme Court -'Safe Harbor'- My A**!)

Section 3. Of The 14th Amendment:
After taken an Oath of Office, anyone who participates, and or gives aid and or comfort to those who participates in Rebellion/Insurrection (A rising up against Civil and or Political Authority - Supreme Authority - "The United States Constitution") SHALL NOT TAKE ANOTHER OATH!
2thirds of the Congress, each House, may remove such disability.

Make them show their Un-American loyalty to their Social/Marxist Insurrectionist Buddies.

What better time than Re-Election Time to challenge them? Making a big stink-if every blogger blogged and commented on Huffin Post, Wall Street Journal, and Washington Post, and such, from now until November-even sending in complaints to the Election Authorities.
Make the MSM ask what is this all about.

Shine The Light

Impertinent said...

@Ed..

"if we could surround him and chant "Shame!"."


Or a Polish firing squad?

Kid said...

IMP, To me it seesm like this: As I said the blueprint was put in place long ago. Various democrat politicians are merely moronic cogs in the process, many of them probably believing they are doing something worthwhile.

The childish dream of equality and fairness. The bleeding heart mental disease that puts a 'respected analyst' on CNBC who actually says "We spent 40 billion on education -if only one child was helped it was worth it" and no-one jumps up and kills him on the spot speaks volumes.

And this happens every day, all day.
Public school attendees have zero capacity for critical thought and look upon absolute morons like juan williams (who should be working at a gas station) alan colmes, wolfey blitzer as their genius mentors.

Good God Y'all.

Kid said...

They Say, I'm with ya buddy, but treason isn't illegal anymore.

Man caused disaster. Workplace violence with alluh ackabar sauce on top. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

The voters are the real problem and most of them can't figure out that it isn't really a 50 dollar value and the 2nd one sure as hell ain't free if you're paying 30 bucks shipping and 'handling'.
Or that a millionth of an ounce of gold cladding doesn't make some piece of lead worth 20 bucks. Well, unless the 2nd one is free. But Look How Shiney!
It is the rich people (that provide everything in our lives we value) that we should hate. Useless moron slugs like nana pelosi worth 450 mil of stolen tax revenue - No problem!

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Mustang said...

@They Say/We Say

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment reads as follows: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”

Could you please elaborate on how this should figure in to upcoming and future elections? Are you suggesting a mail campaign, which targets a “disloyal” oath taker that demands his or her expulsion? How should it work?

Kid said...

@IMP. Yea! These moron are making 6 if not 7 figures ! Man it's amazing. I feel exactly like you express.

Alan "Can't they test the landing gear before they take off " Colmes. hjaahaa

Sure alan, lets get those stewardess's out under the wings to lift the 496,000 lb 777 up in the air while the pilot works the landing gear...

Mustang said...

@ Kid

I have yet to hear Alan Colmes or Juan Williams make a rational argument. Blitzer doesn't give me gas because I don't watch the Communist News Network or the Obama Channel.

Kid said...

One more quick point. I'd like to see candidates swear to their sexual orientation. I believe the homosexual group are Way over-represented in government. No, I have nothing against gays. Leave me alone.

Problem is gays in government don't leave me alone. They're all activists. How could they not be.

They Say/We Say said...

Kid you missed the point again!
'Treason' was not printed in my comment!
Section 3 of the 14th Amendment worked in 2,000 - like I said, the putzes did not have the Brass to use the correct language instead used 'Safe Harbor' clause.
But still stopped all Gore's court cases-scared all the Judges!
The Constitution is not irrelevant.
Use IT Or Lose IT!

Kid said...

@Mustang, I don't watch any of it - I can't. Yet, these things still filter down.

Sometimes I put hannity on for the first commercial free 15 minutes on the drive home.

Quick as I can.. Stuart Varney was on with Juan as guests. Stuart went through ALL the numbers - Government reported numbers, showing the economy sucks and has only gotten worse under obama. juan's argument against? "Fox news took a poll and many American's think the economy is getting better"

Shakin my head. And Fox pays him for this.

Anyway, the supposed conservative media gives us this he said - she said adolescent non stop garbage. They'd be better service to explaining why socialism sucks by using today's living example in Europe and why capitalism has made us the greatest country in the world. for a little while longer.

I talk to young people, college grads, who are completely on board with the idea that the Constitution is an outdated rag that should be shredded. yea.

Mustang said...

According to the Washington Times (Joel Gehrke), President Obama told his campaign volunteers in Nevada that he is “really proud” of them after comparing them to the U.S. ambassador and embassy staff murdered in Libya.

“And obviously [our] hearts are broken for the families but I wanted to encourage those folks at the State Dept. that they were making a difference,” Obama told volunteer leaders in Las Vegas, according to the pool report. “The sacrifices that our troops and our diplomats make are obviously very different from the challenges that we face here domestically but like them, you guys are Americans who sense that we can do better than we’re doing ... I’m just really proud of you.”

If this is true, then it really does suggest that Obama is a complete idiot.

Kid said...

They Say, OK, my point was if Treason isn't illegal anymore, of what value is some other item in the constitution. I could have been more clear. Apologies.

And Roberts signing off on obamacare which is so unconstitutional it makes your head spin. I don't see where any of that matters in today's environment.

The repubs are afraid to go after obama and holder on some fairly clear deraliction of duty charge if not outright felonies becuase they want to run against him in Nov, not hilrod clinton. It's broken. It's all broken.

Mustang said...

@ Kid

I talk to young people, college grads, who are completely on board with the idea that the Constitution is an outdated rag that should be shredded

Are you allowed to punch these people in the face? I know it would make you feel better.

Kid said...

@Mustang. Well, many of them are women, and I don't d that of course.

No I just smile and tell them to "read it and you'll find that most of it protects you from the government and if you don't think that's necessary, you're wrong."

They've had too much mis-guidance, which put my feet to the fire, and I say we're not reversing course until the pain comes and motivates them to put the effort in to find out what really went wrong here.

They Say/We Say said...

yea the Constitution is an easy read.

I can't tell anyone how Sec.3 14th Amendment was used to make Baker the 3rd go to the Supreme Court in 2,000.
But That whole National Radio out Burst being said about the Sec.3 of the 14th Amendment stopped Jesse Jackson's Rent -a- Riot, and brought out his love child for backing off.
Stopped all Gore's court cases,
and gave the people the guts to stop the ballots from being counted behind closed doors (the chad thing was their grasping at a last straw- and Bush still won the count).
Oh, and that is how we first heard the nick name Bubba.

Kid said...

They Say, how about this deal where the repubs can just replace delegates they don't want. Like Ron Paul's.

I'm thinking Reagan would have never came to the fore if that stuff was in place back then.

anyone but obama, but it's getting pretty grim.

They Say/We Say said...

Ok, how about----holder's rebellion against the Constitution, and the one giving him aid and comfort?
Think - think
If we all in numbers started pounding this hard there would be a reckoning.
The convention was not a rebellion against political authority.
Illegal campaign contributions are.
Muslin Brother Hood/Arab Spring ARE.

Kid said...

They Say, I hope you don't see this as me arguing with you. It's just observation. obama is pure evil. incompetence only exceeded by arrogance. Plus all the targets he has that will destroy America.
Then virtually everyone on his administration is a combination of maximum incompetent (ie. janet napilatano) and felonious(ie holder, timmy giether, and pretty much the rest of them)

What do we do about that if the federal prosecutors aren't interested ?

Kid said...

They Say, also, yes, the constitution(as you know) was written Specifically for the 'common man' to understand. now, 200 years later, the common man has not the chance in hell of understanding it.

Interesting and illustrative.

They Say/We Say said...

I know you are not arguing, but you have to have heart.
That is what pushes the resolve to the point of action that they will scramble and cannot ignore us.
If we all pound this it will take; the guy in 2,000 pushed this to the forefront and center on that radio show I think it was Ken Hamblin's show.
And after it took, Rush started yelling, out of no where, that no one could call into his show and start talking about anything that they wanted to.
I think Rush was challenging him to call--or Rush really meant it.

anyway here is one of my post about this.

XIV Sec.3

and this one

Do not Read This if You Want To Sleep A Night

Leticia said...
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JonBerg said...

From Mustang:


"That so few people appear concerned is deeply disturbing to me"

Well put; my friend. This bothers me greatly. I think that this is one of our major problems. Keep up the good work Devil Dog!

Leticia said...

Imp, that was a very, very bad typo! Yikes! I need to be a lot more careful when commenting.

MUSTANG, THANK YOU! For catching that and correcting me and letting Imp know what I was trying to say.

Marine4ever said...

@ Mustang -- "Are you allowed to punch these people in the face?"

Mustang, it's hard for me to even imagine that you could ask a question like that!

What about all this 'touchy-freely' and 'political correctness' that's being spread around like smallpox?

Have you completely lost your mind?!

Do it, anyway. It's good for the soul!

beamish said...

Mustang,

Does it matter whether the snake bite comes from a cobra or a krait?

Only when we're told the krait is right-wing. Mussolini was anti-Marxist, but still left-wing.

The Absolute Marxist said...

Proof that hip-hop was a communist plot.

Kid said...

They Say - I hear you and I have no argument. Those who are supposed to be on 'our side' of the political aisle don't give a rat's ass. Calling them is useless.

At least, one of the two parties needs to be voted out of existence by having all it's members replaced by Americans through voting or otherwise.

Mustang said...

That is a riot, AM.

LOL

Thanks for that link!

Marine4ever said...

Kid -- I don't think the voting thing is gonna work... soooo...

Liberalmann said...

Here's the crux of the matter (from today's speech):

Santorum: ‘Smart people will never be on our side’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/09/15/santorum-smart-people-will-never-be-on-our-side/

LOL!!!

Marine4ever said...

Nope, Liabilityguy, that wouldn't be the crux of the matter. The smart people ARE on our side. We just seem to be outnumbered at the voting booth... for the time being.

In the meantime, I hope you think the Muslim Call to Prayer is as beautiful to you, as your Dear Leader says it is to him.

NOT LOL.

Kid said...

Marine4ever. Me neither. It's always the 80-20 rule. 20% are up to speed and the other 80% or misinformed, not informed, retards, libtards, or some other classification of Loser.

Imagine being some POS that has to vote for POS's to keep major POS's in office in order to maintain one's Loser lifestyle. Good God Y'all.

I'd rather lash myself to a sequoia and head for the saw mill than be such a loser.

Jack Whyte said...

@ Lib weenie ...

So you're owning up to the fact that you're a communist dickwad, then? I guess we're making "progress" after all.

Marine4ever said...

@ Kid -- As Zapata said, "I would rather die standing than live on my knees!"

@ JW -- "Progress"... sorta like "Forward?"

Ron Russell said...

So what did we see here? What example of patriotism did our president and our Sec of State show the American people. Our Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama went to Vegas, to a fund-raiser and our brave and lying through her teeth Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton threw a party at State to celebrate the end of Ramadan with the LIBYAN AMBASSADOR, pity that OUR AMBASSADOR wasn’t able to attend ( oh right he’s Dead), and Our Dear Leader Barack Hussein Obama wans’y able to meet with the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu because of "scheduling problems" another apparent snub!
Somehow the brutal - and PREVENTABLE - death of the Ambassador and two former Navy SEALS and an information Officer were NOT considered important enough to suspend their planned parties either.. Both of these poor and lame excuses are disgusting and as Clint Eastwood would have said, if they are incompetent and if this was a business they would be fired. And the Liberal-Progressive bloggers continue to blog about Mitt Romney’s remark? How HYPOCRITICAL and just plain STUPID can they get?

Marine4ever said...

@ RR -- "How HYPOCRITICAL and just plain STUPID can they get?"

With a track record like they've got... A LOT MORE!

Z said...

I was gone and missed ALL the great comments....

Mustang did such a great job on his piece, huH?
Thanks, Mustang, and thanks to you all for your support of him, me and GeeeZ.

Liberalmann said...

This is what Rmoney thinks of average Americans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XnB0NZzl5HA

Z said...

Libmann..thanks. He's absolutely right.
Glad to hear him telling it like it is.