Thursday, January 31, 2013

FOCUS; is this true?



Snopes says this story is "undetermined," which makes me believe it's true, since this is usually the terminology for stories they don't want to admit are true.  I Googled this quite a bit and it's apparently a story first reported in August 2012.  And Snopes still says "undetermined?"  :-)  
How can this not be true?  The amounts seem right in what this woman's getting.   How do we handle this situation?  We certainly can't afford to continue payments like this to people who won't work.  The woman leasing a Focus  certainly isn't an enigma.....Here's the Facebook entry:

This is is exactly why Mitt Romney said that 40 something % of the people are too dependent on the government. They have learned to work the system.
A Ford Dealer's Report - From Tom Selkis' (Latham Ford) Facebook - True story yesterday at the dealership.
"I'll try to make this as short and to the point as I can.
One of my salesmen here had a woman in his office yesterday wanting to lease a brand new Focus.
As he was reviewing her credit application with her he noticed she was on social security disability.
He said to her you don't look like you're disabled and unable to work.
She said well I'm really not. I could work if I wanted to, but I make more now than I did when I was working and got hurt (non-disabling injury).
She said the gov't sends her $1500.00 a month in 1 check. And she gets $700.00 a month on an EBT card (food stamps), and $800.00 a month for rent. Oh yeah, and 250 minutes free on her phone. That is just south of $3500.00 a month. When she was working, she was taking home about $330.00 per week.
Do the math and then ask yourself why the hell should she go back to work.
If you multiply that by millions of people, you start to realize the scope of the problem we face as a country.
Once the socialists have 51% of the population in that same scenario, we are finished.
The question is when do we cross that threshold if we haven't already, and there are not enough people working to pay enough taxes to support the non-working people? Riots?? Be prepared to protect your homes.
She didn't lease the Focus here because the dealer down the road beat our deal by $10.00/month.
Glad to know she is so frugal with her hard earned money."

So...what does America do?  "Do the math!"

z


55 comments:

Joe said...

Let's all get injured on the job, be "forced" to quit and start collecting SS Disability, EBT and a housing allowance.

I'll call you.

As for Snopes, they'll not be able to determing whether or not we're telling the truth.

Who would pay the bill? Don't worry. We'll just borrow the money from China. We're good for it.

Aren't we?

conservativesonfire said...

Platers play and payers pay, Z. That is the way the world works...,at least, until the payers can't pay anymore. Then you have Greek stylle riots.

Always On Watch said...

The SSDI rolls have exploded in the last several months.

No way are all those receiving SSDI truly able to qualify.

It used to be inordinately difficult to get SSDI. I saw that for myself back in the 1980s and 1990s when two of our friends had to wait, wait, wait. One was in the final stages of MS, and the other had glioblastoma multiforme (brain cancer). Also, my cousin with osteogenesis imperfecta, who had literally limped his way through working full time for some three decades, was denied SSDI the first time he applied; he was dead two months later at the age of 49 due to complications of osteogenesis imperfecta.

The Debonair Dudes World said...

"Once the socialists have 51% of the population in that same scenario, we are finished."

Pretty sick stuff. Could it possibly be true that Our Dear Leader is a Socialist? Well, so far every step Obama has taken, every policy that he has enacted or tried to, has certainly pointed in that direction.

The nightmare that saw coming, is here.

Silverfiddle said...

What AOW said. You can't argue with the numbers, so whether this particular story is true or not doesn't matter. People are going on the permanent dole, with medically unprovable maladys such as back pain (even though only a fraction of jobs today require manual labor), and psychological claims are up, ADD, stress, etc.

Welcome to Europe, without the polite behavior, quaint cobblestone streets and baroque architecture.

Z said...

Silverfiddle, the cobblesetones and cathedrals and and polite behavior almost make it worth it THERE :-)
You just don't 'notice' the socialism there because it's not AMerica; we don't expect what we had going here THERE.
We expect Americans to be encouraged to be self reliant and fight for our rights ... that's why it's SO painful to see what's happening due to liberals here.

Joe, Snopes cracks me up, I have to admit. They even give Obama a "he was tired" when they're confronted with him getting the amount of American states wrong!
They WILL NOT agree with a glaringly true story against Obama. it's actually quite amusing. If we didn't know how people look to snopes for truth.

Conson Fire...too true.

AOW...it seems that legal people deserving of SSDI are finding itmore difficult than illegals?

Deb...a country like America can't succeed when the takers are voting more than the givers; when one has no stake in the money given out and just WANTS IT, we're done.
That's NOW. So, are we done?
I hope not, but...

SF...exactly the point: Doesn't really have to be a true story. IT IS HAPPENING>

Z said...

Hagel's on at his hearings...he mentioned how his 39 yr old father died on Christmas Day and other really sad things about his life. I sit and wonder how that makes him a better candidate for Secretary of Defense. He mentioned raising his siblings with his mother, and I suppose that gives you strength, but.....
It's kind of like Gabrielle Giffords suddenly becoming a voice against the 2nd Amendment because she was shot, isn't it?

I think we're becoming a confused country of questionable ethics and ethos.

Z said...

my happy and stupid little hacker's back; am going on comment moderation, but I'll be releasing comments all during the day from work.

Thanks!

Z said...

Hagel just mentioned how hard he'll fight to keep our 'all volunteer' forces safe and protected, etc.

Code for: NO DRAFT EVER.

probably a good thing; but I wonder if any news people will pick up that obvious interjection.
Now he's mentioning working for Reagan as if that makes him a good Conservative.

I hate duplicity. in 2016, maybe he and Powell will run as Republicans? :-)

Z said...

OH!! Are you hearing that some unions are now saying they believed the president when he said "You can keep your healthcare program if you like it!" and now are realizing it was a lie (very obvious lie, we tried to warn them).
AND, they're saying they don't see the cuts they'd been told..

BUT THEY SUPPORTED HIM!!

They're seeing their prices skyrocket.
THE UNIONS ARE UPSET!! WHY DIDN'T THEY LISTEN TO THE CONSERVATIVES WHEN WE HAD A CHANCE TO DEFEAT OBAMA OR AT LEAST THIS AWFUL PLAN WE SAW THROUGH.

DARN~!

Z said...

except now I'm hearing that some are saying "OK...let's just to go single payer"...Dems on the Hill are sharpening their teeth.

OY

JonBerg said...

"A Ford Dealer's Report - From Tom Selkis' (Latham Ford) Facebook - True story yesterday at the dealership."

Versions of this have been going around for quite some time. I just got it again last Friday. Whether or not it's true it is indicitave of reality. A good friend of mine was a social worker until she could no longer take it. She ran into people/situations just like this, frequently. Yes, when a majority can vote themselves largess, they will. Check out this link:

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/a-nation-hell-bent-on-voting-itself-gifts-from-the-public-trough/

Z said...

Exactly, JB.
It IS true in the aspects, whether someone was buying a FOCUS doesn't really matter at all.
There ARE people getting (I almost said 'earning'!) more than an average salary.

Now, of course, the left will ask why we'd deprive people of what they need if they can't provide for themselves..
and, of course, that shows more inability to see the truth and also makes one wonder "how long does the left think the gravy train will have gravy enough to GIVE?"

We need to care for people and not shower them with better stuff for NOT WORKING.

Ducky's here said...

It conforms to a certain world view so hearsay is proof.
Is it true? Is it anecdotal? That could be determined on an aggregate basis at least.

In the mean time, I'm with John Lennon, "Gimme Some Truth".

Z said...

Ducky..aha...so you think NONE of this could have happened?
NO people are getting all of these benefits? :-)

Talk about a skewed world view! wow

No, Ducky, don't pick on the story; we have all said we don't know this is exactly true about the car, etc., but you'll notice we all looked into it and there is NO evidence it's not true. When Snopes hasn't slammed it, you should be pretty sure it's true.

Ya, we don't kill the messenger here, we deal with facts.

Please tell us that you know nobody would ever get food stamps, help with rent, etc. :-)
Thanks, I'll be relieved.

JonBerg said...

Z said......


"how long does the left think the gravy train will have gravy enough to GIVE?"

As the "left" doles out largess with reckless abandon (in order to buy votes) it's like a serpent trying to sustain itself by consuming its own tail.

Dave Miller said...

Sometimes I wonder whether an inability to prove the negative, gets us into problems.

Remember, we asked Saddam to prove he did not have WMD's and that did not work out so well.

Even though GW has admitted that truth, many still cling to the notion that Saddam never proved his non ownership.

How logically, apart from any specific issue, does someone prove a negative?

What standard will those making the negative charge that needs to be proved false accept?

Z said...

Dave, not sure what negative anybody's trying to prove.
Please provide information that there is nobody on all of these benefits. The comments above will help you understand better what we're discussing.

Frankly, nobody cares if the FOCUS story is true and we've said that; the truth is that there are people receiving far more than they'd make working a hard day's work, and that's our discussion here.

By the way, I'd say anything that killed 300,000 Kurds is definitely a WMD...mustn't get stuck on "only nuclear".


Ducky's here said...

Ducky..aha...so you think NONE of this could have happened?
NO people are getting all of these benefits? :-)
--------
Well quantum mechanics teaches us that many bizarre events could happen. Just a matter of probability.

Did this happen? Is the implied state of affairs true?

We need a little more info.
Now in fact some people may be getting all that. I'd be surprised if there weren't some. Corruption is present everywhere in America, just look at Wall Street or the police, so we would be better served by keeping it at a low manageable level than cursing all those welfare Cadillacs.

Impertinent said...

@Z

"Ya, we don't kill the messenger here, we deal with facts.

Man...I can't count how many UTubes I've seen with these people bragging about how much they lie, loot, rob and steal off the welfare dole.

"Where's the money coming from?

From Obama!!

Where's he getting it from?


I dunno! I get free a cell phone."

This is reparations pure and simple.

Z said...

JB, it's so basic, I just don't understand their inability.
This president still wants the rich taxed because he thinks some of them make too much money, and certainly even he knows that taking pretty much all they have would only help our country by what, 3 days?

Darth Bacon said...

Dave's negatively is alway George Bush.

Z said...

Ducky..what are you missing? Are you simply unaware of welfare benefits?
There is absolutely nothing unusual in any of this...people get cell phone time (and cell phones), they get rent, they get food stamps; which part is troubling you to grasp?

Imp...right. I'm thinking that many people simply don't see those YouTubes of folks bragging on their goodies. And we know that if 10 of them are braggging, there are thousands who aren't but are certainly getting.
ATMs which dole out welfare money in strip joints and lap dancing clubs SHOULD say quite a lot to people, but I guess many just don't want to realize how much welfare is going on.

If ONLY Obama would at least start on WELFARE FRAUD, that'd probably put us in better stead than robbing from hard working, rich Americans?...


Darth..sometimes you just have to ignore the nonsense! It'll be Bush's fault till we are no longer a nation.

Z said...

...oh, and that'll be Bush's fault, too.

Darth Bacon said...

Lol, Good one

JonBerg said...

"Remember, we asked Saddam to prove he did not have WMD's and that did not work out so well."

What, in the World, does that have to do with the rampent entitlement/welfare fraud which is now ubiquitous in this Country? My buddy's wife is tending bar for a while and tells me that up to 70%of the patrons who frequent the place, from 11:00 AM-11:00 PM, are permanently drawing some or all of the largess mentioned in today's post. Most are not retires. This is not an isolated circumstance, by any means.

JonBerg said...

Z said......


"he knows that taking pretty much all they have would only help our country by what, 3 days?"

I think his objective is, as he-himself put it, "REVENGE". Who knows what or who, in his screwed-up life, makes him the way he is. He sure as heck isn't the first socialist zealot (make no mistake that's what he is) to punish the "rich". This POS is far more dangerous than LBJ ever thought about being!

I.M. Craptek said...

Some of these progressive brainwashed fools, who are still supporting Obama and they have NO CLUE whats going on in the world. These idiots who post their stupid little comments on the "Progressive" blogs, like Ducky here, and Dave, are pathetic.

JonBerg said...

Z said..........

"Ducky..what are you missing? Are you simply unaware of welfare benefits?"

The way I see it is, if Liberals had even the slightest grasp of reality they, simply, wouldn't be Liberals. Liberalism is, after all, a mental illness which retards ones ability to recognize anything outside the realm of his/her fantasy world. This disease is spreading and threatens our Nation like nothing before!

Z said...

I.M...I'm not sure if they're 'pathetic' but there's something that speaks so against who America is in them that's sometimes almost frightening...of course, it isn't what it was anymore, but we can still try.
Time's running out, sadly.

How can a whole half of AMerica actually welcome a country of people who came in illegally, many for benefits (not most, but many)? or a country of mostly welfare beneficiaries and sycophants who believe ridiculous president comments like "if you like your insurance you can keep it" (did you see that the Unions are FINALLY seeing that was a lie...where WERE THEY when we all knew that from the get-go?), etc etc...

Hard times ahead...the left won't know what hit them. We will, but it'll be too late.

JonBerg...so true about LBJ. I'd welcome him back compared to Obama. And he was the most crooked, talented glad hander EVER.

DB..thanks :-_)

Anonymous said...

I believe it. When I get my social security statements, I'm always surprised to see that I would get more in disability than in retirement after 10+ years of contribution. IT makes no sense at all.

I think disability insurance should be split off social security actually and treated differently than retirement.

FrogBurger

Buck Ofama said...

You liberal Obama apologists have no answers for anything. All you know how to so or say is non constructive criticism, except when it comes to a Republican/Conceptive, then you know how to name call and bitch, moan, groan, and complain. But you never seem to take any responsibility what so ever for tha Socialist In Chief.
And now your Messiah is going to give these Law Beakers from Mexico and the rest of the world a path to citizenship and you lefties think that’s a great thing! DREAM Act.? No it’s going to be a HORROR act!
There doesn’t seem to be any end to his madness.
What part of ILLEGAL don’t your fools seem to understand? If we are going to be allowed to picking and choose which laws we which to follow and which we can just ignore, I’ll just stop paying my taxes and wait for the government to consider that income undocumented and defer action on tax evasion because that would definitely give me a better and richer life. The America we knew is gone. Those illegal people can now come here and do anything they want whenever they want to do it, and they will not only be excused but welcomed. .
We need a Republican president to take control and put us back on track or Obama is taking this country down one day at a time. It really amazes me just how stupid some of these liberals who post here really are! I can understand the craziness that goes on over on the leftist boards, that’s to be expected, but why come here with their insanity? In a country where Hillary Clinton can get away with murder, why should we expect anything that makes any sense.

Z said...

FB....interesting point.
Ta Mere est toujours ici?

Buck: the problem is there are 12 million...can you deport them? No. Is there any kind of path to citizenship at this point? No.
Can we make some kind of plan where they have to wait for years (NOT cutting in front of those who came in legally) to become legal? yes.
Do we stop giving benefits in the meantime? A RIP ROARING YES. (about a million have apparently left because they can't find work in our economy already!)

Can we stop giving free medical care? We have to, because I know at least 2 hospitals here in L.A. which had to declare bankruptcy and CLOSE under the weight of treating whole families who found it cheaper to have the hospital treat them than to find a doctor.

Do many of them WANT to work? Absolutely.
The thing's a nightmare, they should NOT BE HERE but our lazy kids don't work anymore flipping burgers or delivering papers or cutting lawns, so someone has to do it.

And they must learn English. Liberals think that's cruel; I think it's cruel not to demand that they learn our language so they can become something other than a gardener or maid.

The Debonair Dudes World said...

Pardon the Off topic post, but I just heard this and I thought it was worth post here.

Obama Eliminates Breakfast for Our Troops in Afghanistan.

Z said...

Dude...is that a joke?
What're they supposed to do now, go to the local Afghanistan village's McDonald's for a breakfast sandwich?

WHAT?

Jan said...

Z...I believe the story. Why shouldn't I? There's plenty of evidence that shows that there are second and third generations of welfare families who wouldn't think of actually working for a living.

On a personal note, I've had at least one woman tell me that she 'made' more money by being on welfare, getting free housing, food stamps, medical care, etc., for herself and three kids, than if she worked at the trade for which she was trained, which was as a beautician.

This was several years ago, and there is more free stuff now, than then, I'm sure.

On the other hand, I know a man who has multiple health issues, including a failing liver, a tumor on his kidney, and an aneurysm who has been turned down for Social Security disability insurance, after applying several times.

This man worked in construction, and for the same employer for twenty-three years...but when he became so ill, he was 'let go' because the employer said that he was afraid that he might hurt himself on the job, and he didn't want to feel responsible for anything happening to him.

Subsequently, he had no income, and no health insurance, either.

Yet, he was not deemed eligible to receive anything from the state or government at the time but did, ultimately, qualify for food stamps, and Medicaid, but still no disability benefits.

To make that pill even more bitter to swallow, his wife who had worked for a convenience store for over eighteen years, was let go when the original owner sold out to an immigrant, who over a period of months replaced all the employees with fellow immigrants, and/or family members.

Actually, she was let go when she would not agree to being paid, 'under the table.'

You may draw your own conclusions from that sad tale.

I know all the liberals out there will be saying that these are stories that I've just made up, but they're not....they're first hand accounts out of the mouths of people I've known.

And, Libs, don't even think that I'm saying that young mothers with children should be denied food and shelter, and medical care, nor that able bodied men should be given a free ride. It would be ludicrous to do so.

I am saying that there seems to be no fairness, or equality when it comes to determining who receives it, and who doesn't.

One thing that should be fairly obvious to all of us, liberal or conservative, is the fact that there will never be enough resources to supply the never ending need, indefinitely, no matter how much redistribution of wealth is enacted.

Kid said...

It's already over Z.

Add to this the fact that probably 90% of people under 40 are able to come to reasonable conclusions about anything political/American/common sense.
ie, they have no idea what the constitution is or what it's purpose is. To them it stands in the way of progress.

For Example, do the Newtown Parents really think gun laws will keep their children safe? Wow.

There is no shortage of this totally defective "thinking". It gets worse by the minute, so add that to the people who do have a clue but are willing to sell us all out for the freebies. It's over. No question.

Kid said...

PS, I have heard and consider it valid, that the amount of benefits one gets as a freeloading loser is equal to a regularly taxed paycheck equal to 42k a year. Guess how many of these losers have a shot at making enough of an amount over 42k a year that they'd be motivated to actually work for a living rather than breed democrat voters.

Or even just a penny over 42k for that matter !

The Debonair Dudes World said...

No Joke, see my blog

Z said...

Dude, it's UNbelievable..absolutely awful.
Imagine our servicemen having to write home for cereal?
Man.
Meanwhile, we're feeding our prison population like kings,offering gyms, TVs, etc.


JAN..EXCELLENT comment/information. How very, very sad. Does the left not see it or are they just too intent on getting votes so it doesn't matter? "Got to vote LEFT and make sure we can get goodies and have abortions!" :-)

ugh.



They Say/We Say said...

In the `60's, Khrushchev banged his shoe on the table and said, we will bury you.
He was speaking about - Economically.
Breaking up the Soviet Union was a ruse which we see being put back together; all the while working their game to break us Economically.
Reagan Broke them first. Then their agents in the Congress changed the Savings and Loan Law (Regulations) that made the S and L Big guys overnite criminals. And at the same stroke of the pen wiped out the Real-Estate sector.
That was payback for breaking Russia.
Now we see this played out - Revenge - by the Indonesian Stepchild.

Z said...

I just heard a video showing that the 'heckling' of the father of a dead child at Stoney Hook was a total edit job.
He apparently spoke for 15 minutes, constantly asking "Is there any reason we should have these guns?" and asking again, and again, until someone finally answered "the 2nd Amendment".

The left called this HECKLING..MSNBC did it, all the morning shows did it;

IT WAS ALL A HUGE LIE. NO HECKLING...a final answer to a question asked many times within fifteen minutes to punctuate his concerns.

Why I keep being surprised is stupid, but man, when we get lambasted for 'edits' and we haven't..but this goes unnoticed by the msm?

bastar..... ds

oops

They Say/We Say said...

SEE the similarities with the Freddy Mac and Fanny May--here we go again

And the welfare flem-flam - and the climate change TAX a coming - shutting down coal mines (which cannot be brought back up after shutting down) and on and on and....

Impertinent said...

@Z

I posted this 3 days ago on that Man's testimony and the so called "heckling". Slate retracted ( as red and commie as they are ) the story.

From Slate for the lying scumbag in drag.....libturd


"Now it's worth pointing out that the audience members aren't supposed to interrupt a witness—a lawmaker running the hearing can be heard asking for the crowd to be quiet—and it's possible that Heslin's question was a rhetorical one, and his pause was simply for dramatic effect.


But regardless, it's fairly clear that those gun-rights advocates who spoke up were doing so in response to what they heard as a question.


Even if such actions represent an interruption they nonetheless appear to fall well short of heckling, an act that most often comes with an air of harassment associated with it.

If the exchange between Heslin and the pro-gun audience members was noteworthy at all, it's likely because of how relatively civil the whole thing was. The gun-rights advocates quickly quiet down after their short responses; Heslin appears largely unfazed by the shouts."

"Mr. Heslin has every right to his grief and anger, and he has every right to ask that question.

And those other people have every right to answer it, when an answer is demanded of them.

None of them are well served by MSNBC deceptively editing the video to create an event that didn’t happen. It serves nothing but NBC’s own political ends. It’s absolutely disgusting."


Once again the lying POS commies at NBC and MSNBC get it wrong. So that the turds like the little worm here can post their lies.



Shove it rat face libturd.

Impertinent said...

@Z

"Hard times ahead...the left won't know what hit them. We will, but it'll be too late."


And just what form do you think that will take? Do you think we'll all just queue up to the voting machines every few years and hope for the best?

Knowing now that ONE POS illegal vote negates yours and the entire process?

Or some fag judge decides to overturn the will of the people again and again and again like in California?

Do you really think we're that "civilized" and immune from another civil war?

Do you actually think that earnest, honest, hard working Americans can't see our country being besieged by these illiterate peasant worthless bastards

That we've been overrun by fascist POS from a foreign land? Including the bastard Obama?

Do you actually think that when the money and the freebies run out in a couple years....there won't be killing fields?

That we won't fight? That we'll just frog march like the Jews did 60 years ago? Or like they do today to the pied piper chucky schumer?

Ms...Z...America is on the brink. And so long as we have a congress with an 88% DISAPPROVAL rating and the NRA who rates higher than the fraud in our HOUSE....taxes, unemployment, over bearing government, dismissal of the constitution from the 1st amendment to the 14th...and an arrogant, imperious bastard that declares that if congress doesn't act...HE will?

If Congress doesn't act to stop this mad man....WE sure as hell will.

And if he dares to set American troops against our citizens...I damn well think and hope that we'd burn the WH down...again.

Average American said...

I'd BET that is true! I've even seen an EBT card being used to get cash at an ATM AT A CASINO!! It was then pumped into slot machines. Great way to see our tax money spent.

I know of a fat bastard here in town that gets SSI because he's to FRIGGING FAT to work! He lives with his girlfriend who gets every kind of welfare imaginable and when cash gets low, pop out another kid to get a raise.

I know another guy that has been on SSI for many years. I don't know what the alleged disability is, but he has no problem riding his Harley or working on it for that matter. Some how he manages to afford beer and drugs on OUR money though. Probably with the help of side jobs he does all the time. Or maybe it's from selling some of those drugs.

Bottom line is that we ALL have seen some or most of these abuses of the system and so yes, I believe the jist of that story! Ducky, you do to unless you are a lot sicker than we suspected.

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Z said...

Average: how horrible...our government gives EBT cards and they get used for gambling money.

And AOW and other hard working tax payers have to FIGHT for benefits they should receive.

Think there's any will to fix this, or are dumb leftwing votes just too darned important?
"Got to get those abortions!"

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Kid said...

hey duckfeathers, how do you keep a moron in suspense ?

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Kid said...

Z, "but this goes unnoticed by the msm".

unnoticed has nothing to do with it. They do it intentionally. They're Not a media. They are propaganda machine for the democrat party, working it every day, all day.

No exaggeration. Propaganda machine.

photoshop pictures, edit video, make stuff up and broadcast it continually. Cast everything that isn't democrat in the worst possible light, and it's all lies. It's all lies and BS.

I honestly believe this is worse than Russia ever had it.

beamish said...

There could be no abuse of the social welfare system if there were no social welfare system.

beamish said...

There could be no abuse of the social welfare system if there were no social welfare system.

Lee's Page said...

Z said...
Dude...is that a joke?
What're they supposed to do now, go to the local Afghanistan village's McDonald's for a breakfast sandwich?

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Oh, it´s true alright.
How I loathe him and his.