Friday, January 25, 2013

The "DUH" Theory

A friend emailed me this and I couldn't resist posting it..........Somebody, please, tell us how being disarmed protects anybody.    And, please, let's talk about how we can be armed safely and protect our children, for example.
Any adult knows that shootings are very, very rare, and even leftwingers must finally understand there is no utopia where no bad things happen.  Well, okay, they don't understand, but maybe they'll start?   I would have hoped that we could live without armed people at schools, etc., but it looks like we've got nuts in this country who need psychological help and feel killing is a good idea.   Do we stop all people from having guns, from protecting themselves, because we can't take care of our nuts?  Do we start banning knives and only serve mashed potatoes in the future instead of meat that needs cutting because people stab others to death?

Leftwingers seem to hate guns.......they don't like war, they don't admire soldiering:   In the meantime, a liberal president is arming Muslim-run Egypt with F-16's. 

gad

Z

172 comments:

Joe said...

Z, you just don't understand.

If you are faced with a crazed person who is armed with a stolen weapon or the like, you are to calmly call 911 and wait 5-20 minutes for the police to arrive to ask the man not to shoot you.

If you happen to be in a theater, mall or school, don't worry. He'll only kill a few before the officers and/or SWAT team arrives (that is, after they have first gone to the wrong address).

JonBerg said...

"Do we start banning knives and only serve mashed potatoes in the future instead of meat that needs cutting because people stab others to death?"

Yes and I'm sick and tired of the prevailing appellation "assualt weapon", a meaningless corruption of the valid term "assualt rifle", being applied to certain other firearms for no reason other than "shock value"! I submit that [any] device or object, etc used in the commission of an [assult] is an "assualt weapon". Efforts to: ban, confiscate, register* or orherwise restrict, so called, "assualt weapons" will result in an endless succession of government meddling.

*With, perhaps, millions of firearms in the possession of law abiding citizens just think of all of the JUICY taxes and fees to be derived from such a process.

Silverfiddle said...

Each shooting is a heart-rending tragedy, lives snuffed out that can never be brought back, but as you say, in a population of over 300 million, they are statistically infinitesimal.

That doesn't mean we can't have better background checks, storage requirements and stiffer laws for straw purchases and other activities that put guns in the hands of criminals.

This is a matter of media focus. Imagine if every fatal car crash in the United States made the news. Would people be clamoring for "car control?"

Here in Colorado, 13% of traffic fatalities in 2011 involved people under the influence of marijuana, you know, the "harmless" drug liberals are clamoring to legalize...

We had over 400 traffic deaths that year, so potheads kill four times more people with cars here in Colorado each year that the theater shooter did, but that's OK, because they didn't use a gun...

We're crazy.

Fredd said...

Unless you live in New York, most of the rest of us will likely still keep our guns. The crazy liberals like Diane Feinstein and Joe Biden are only using the seemingly anti-gun Zeitgeist to get their mugs in front of the camera. I think they know in their pinko heart of hearts that any significant legislation to grab guns will fall absolutely flat on a national level.

This too, shall pass. The only way to grab our guns in the long run is for the government to physically dispatch jack booted storm troopers to each individual household and seize them.

Of course, this may involve a whole lot of gunfire, which liberals don't have much stomach for.

Bunkerville said...

There are some states that would be better off dropping off the map. But unfortunately, beside this gun issue, we will be forced to bail them out financially. That will really be a kicker.

Z said...

Bunker, were you that upset of our bailing out companies which the gov't knew were insolvent and would stay insolvent because they went under shortly after our cash infusions?


Joe...well put.

JB....if only all Americans watched FOX and the demonstration that sharp shooter woman did showing which guns we SHOULD be afraid of; few or none of which are on the lists the gov't wants to ban. amazing stupidity.

SF...I'm not sure there IS a person not in favor of better background checks, storage requirements (especially) and stiffer laws..........isn't it odd that the Left makes it sound like we want a gun tucked into every shrink's couch for the patients?

Did you hear the pastor who PRAYED before a Feinsteinn press conference? making it sound like it you're Christian and you are against ridding all of guns, you're a pig.

Fredd...I think they're getting awfully close to a full take-over and they're poisoning minds to believing all their BS, so that's pretty scary.

Z said...

Ducky...you're gone. Deleted (you may call it 'censorship' at AOWs, I don't give a damn)

You don't REALLY think we need to read your crap about "The FRINGE RIGHT" here anymore, DO YOU?
I hate to be unkind but where the heck do you get off coming to my blog and name calling simply because we deign to disagree with YOU?

It's stopping. Learn to argue like a civil adult, or it'll be my greatest pleasure to not have you here any longer.

By the way, I'm waiting for the fringe left (except that you're all pretty fringe in the extremism of your thinking..seriously, who would believe Obama and vote for him?) to ban football because we've had some head injuries...and cheerleading, too.
You see, UTOPIA exists in the minds of leftwingers and that might be THE most dangerous threat to truly effective legislation this country's ever experienced. "Make a LAW for that!" "Restrict that!".. ridiculous.
And you call US "Fringe"? wow

Marine4ever said...

PIIING!

JB gets the 'Hitting The Nail Right On The Head' award! (How many does this make you, JB?!)

Anonymous said...

Z said...

Ducky...you're gone. Deleted (you may call it 'censorship' at AOWs, I don't give a damn)

You don't REALLY think we need to read your crap about "The FRINGE RIGHT" here anymore, DO YOU?
I hate to be unkind but where the heck do you get off coming to my blog and name calling simply because we deign to disagree with YOU?


Hallelujah, Hallelujah,Hallelujah, it's about time someone had some Guts. to do the right thing.
Thank You!
Now if we can only get Joe to do the same thing. These conservative blogs do not need a slime bag like him.

wE ALL AGREE HERE THAT Barack Obama is the worst thing to ever happen to this nation, and most Americans support neither him nor his policies. WE DON'T NEED THIS JERK TO TELL US OTHERWISE,

sue hanes said...


Z - I will admit to not liking guns. Maybe it comes from never having been around them. My dad did have a rifle he used for hunting but I don't recall ever having touched it. I've always felt that way about guns - not liking them.

I don't think anyone is trying to disarm everyone - just trying to make things a little safer.

I think the problem is assault weapons and too much ready ammunition.

And of course there is the matter of the 'crazy' people who get their hands on the assualt weapons and bullets to go with them.

Z said...

"assault weapon" sounds so truly hideous, doesn't it? WHY don't people check into things??

My Cons. Thoughts..thanks. I really hate to do that, to tell you the truth, but I'm SICK of having built a blog which the leftwing thinks it can use for spewing their agenda.
I do want dissent, I do want good discussion here, but not without respect. And EVERY SINGLE TIME, they say "Your people started it" and EVERY SINGLE TIME (EACH TIME) I've checked, it's been their opening salvo which ticked my readers off.

Joe's blog is so good and I have to admit to steering away from it much of the time because I don't want his trolls following me back here anymore. Craig is a PAIN and as smug as they make 'em, his others are VILE and it leaves no space for discussion. I feel terrible wanting to respond at Joe's and not feeling I should.

People; READ JOE'S BLOG and comment..OVERCOME the preponderance of lefties he has there.


To most of you: I don't have the energy or time to visit as much as I used to but plan to see what you're all up to this weekend..hopefully. I'm SO SORRY I don't blog as much as I have in the past.
Thank you for coming by here in spite of me.

z

Z said...

Sue "a little safer" is a very good thing, you're right.
But this huge purge the government's making and misunderstanding of the term 'assault weapons' and the ignoring of the truth about that ban, etc., are hard for many of us to take.

plus, we just can't always legislate for every bad news story in this country. There is no UTOPIA.
I'm waiting for the left to ban football entirely or make some stupid rule "you can't hit above the neck" because yet another player had a smack in the head bad enough to apparently cause him to murder.

Anonymous said...

They are not interested in protecting anybody. They are only interested in controlling everybody.

sue hanes said...

Z - Also - I'm totally against arming teachers but why couldn't each school have a police officer assigned to them. It seems likely that doing this would discourage shooters.

JonBerg said...

Z said..........

"I'm waiting for the left to ban football entirely or make some stupid rule "you can't hit above the neck"

How about 'Touch Boxing'?

Always On Watch said...

When I was growing up here in Northern Virginia, we had a "gun culture." Hell, we even took in our rifles to school to give speeches about our weapons. I'm not kidding.

Nobody shot anybody else.

Nobody killed himself with a firearm.

It seems to me that the more restrictions we have on firearms, the worse the "mental health problem" becomes.

Why is that?

In part, I think that one reason that those of us in the gun culture back in the day didn't do anything inappropriate with a firearm is that all of us had seen death up close: the shooting of rabid animals, the slaughter of chickens and livestock, etc. When a living creature is shot, typically it doesn't just topple over as in the cartoons. There is a death struggle of sorts.

Plus, of course, all of us in the gun culture had a good moral upbringing. Is that the case now?

Marine4ever said...

@ sue hanes -- I’m against arming teachers, too... unless they’re knowledgeable and proficient with a firearm, have proved to be so and they want to be armed. Most people that went into the teaching profession are not going to be too keen on the idea of having to play Roy Rogers, too. Someone with a weapon that doesn’t know how to use it is like giving a four year-old a loaded .45 to play with. As far as a police officer being assigned to each school, make sure the officer is out of uniform and goes around with a broom and a mop. The crazies are going to take the officer out first. Only a battalion of officers would discourage some of these loonies... and that’s not guaranteed.

American Jihad said...

“Z” Said:
“Joe's blog is so good and I have to admit to steering away from it much of the time because I don't want his trolls following me back here anymore. Craig is a PAIN and as smug as they make 'em, his others are VILE and it leaves no space for discussion. I feel terrible wanting to respond at Joe's and not feeling I should.
People; READ JOE'S BLOG and comment..OVERCOME the preponderance of lefties he has there.”



I just spend some time going through many of the posts over at Joe’s, and Yes, Z you are 100 percent correct and I agree with you100%
That gallery of Wackos, Xavier Onassis, Craig, Dave Miller, Ducky here, and Shaw Kenawe are alla bunch of degenerates, like the crowd over at Moveon.org . Calling the Liberal party the “stupid party” is an insult to stupid people.
What kind of idiot would side with Hillary Clinton after that self serving hearing display of hers? That whole hearing was totally disgusting! If it were a Republican administration that did this ,the leftists would be screaming, bitching and moaning, protesting and whatever about a cover-up conspiracy iintentauly to misinform the public by covering their role in the deaths of the four Americans. They ignored the intelligence reports and the repeated requests for more security. Hillary and Obama blatantly lied to cover up the death of these men. This whole caboodle was a shameful dereliction of duty.
Yes, the president of the United States of America, and the Secretary of State and the UN Ambassador , have all lied to us. They have lied to us and said this was caused by a video, when they knew right from the very beginning that it was an attack from alquada, it was all very transparent, and our Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sat at that hearing and acted as if she was the victim, instead of those poor defenseless Americans, including our Ambassador who was so brutally tortured. Obama sacrificed lives with the hope of being re-elected with his fairy tale story about how he has made us safer from terrorists and then lied about what happened in Benghazi. That is closer to treason than dereliction.

sue hanes said...

Marine4Ever - What you say about only qualified armed teaachers having guns makes sense - but you have to be consistent. Either all teachers are armed or none.

As far as policemen being in the schools - their very presence - in uniform - is supposed to be what
discourages the shooters in the first place.

Since no one knows ahead of time which school is going to be targeted - all schools have to have a policeman present.

I am still against having armed teachers but you make a good point.

Actually - this whole thing about school shootings is so unreal - that children - including high schools - might be killed in school - that there is really no good solution. But we have to try.

We'll never know which shootings are prevented by the suggested methods - but it's worth a try - if it works at all.

Z said...

Kithogan, welcome to GEeeez...great comments!


Sue and Marine4....it breaks my HEART to think we have to protect children in American schools...
THIS is the problem, not the darned GUNS. The very idea that we have whacks who'd kill innocent children. They'll find other ways like well-placed grenades if they don't have guns.

wow

Pris said...

Our country is leaning toward a violent state now. The far left is pitting one group against another establishing confusion, anger and despair which has not always been the case.

Class warfare, a phony gender war, phony race hate accusations, trampling the Constitution, and indoctrination in schools of the very things that cause this terrible rift between the people, and young people who are not capable of seeing through the smoke
and mirrors.

Remember this: "never let a good crisis go to waste". And indeed they don't.

Saul Alinsky and his book, Rules for Radicals, dedicated his book to Lucifer. This is the bible that the far left follows, instead of the true Bible.

If there is no crisis, they make one up to distract from some truly important event and there are those who swallow it hook, line, and sinker, including the media.

We are at a crossroads, and I can only hope and pray for sanity to take root again. God help us all.

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Z said...

Pris..'God help us all'.

Remember the times when nobody'd take offense at the mention of God?
how much better our country ran then..

Things have progressed so well until recently when slavery's been brought up again SO often, as if we weren't past racism ... It's Black America who I feel propogates racism/ who the heck's racist anymore? Obama's thugs have reared their ugly heads again and it started being obvious when the Harvard Prof case happened..remember when Obama overshot it and blamed the cops before even KNOWING what had happened? He is SO bitter and hasn't an iota of background which creates anything BUT division and anger.
I'm at a school where colors/ethnicities mix so beautifully. Nobody's just his/her color; everybody's treated the same and they're building trust and great, great character this way in the kids; I see it every day.

Right Truth said...

That's a great image. Seems so easy to understand, so logical. I suppose that is why the Left can't understand it.

Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

FreeThinke said...

Cole Porter said it all back in the 1920's:

The world's gone mad today
Good's bad today
Blacks white today
Day's night today
Most guys today
That women prize today
Are just silly gigolos. ...


~ Anything Goes

Liberalmann said...

Nah, lets continue allowing idiots access to weapons to mow down kindergartners.

Anonymous said...

SF...

You are todays HERO of sanity and common sense. Something the bullshit, brain dead whiny hypocrites calling for these bans would rather ignore.

Good God...thousands of kids drown in swimming pools every year...cause their stupid care takers are on the damn phone or watching the View or Oprah.
And most of these kids aren't even two or 3 years old yet....

Well...hell...if that's the case...ban the damn pools or require every pool owner to have a Lifeguard 24/7. Why not? They want us to have "locks" on the triggers...no ammo in the gun...Jesus Christ...what does that make a gun? A $500+ brick?

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

800,000 law enforcement officers expected to enforce unconstitional gun control legislation

vs.

117 million gun owners, most of which won't give up their gun rights without a fight

I'm thinking this civil war would last all of 2 minutes.

Anonymous said...

"I'm not sure there IS a person not in favor of better background checks, storage requirements (especially) and stiffer laws...."




There are already 22,000 damn laws on the books...and they vary from state to state to the consternation of any LAW ABIDING citizen...hell...in some states even from COUNTY to COUNTY!

Give them one more law to nibble at our RIGHTS again....and it's just a matter of time before...we're all criminals.

Anonymous said...

@Beamish...

"I'm thinking this civil war would last all of 2 minutes."


With what outcome?

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

Nah, lets continue allowing idiots access to weapons to mow down kindergartners.

Federal statistics suggest that the greatest risk of encountering violent crime occurs in Democrat majority voting districts.

Why not just ban Democrats from owning guns?

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

With what outcome?

With the growing number of county sheriffs around the country saying they will not enforce any new federal gun laws, I think even the cops know. ;)

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

Anyway, we could put a stop entirely to public school shootings if we got rid of public schools.

Z said...

beamish said...

Anyway, we could put a stop entirely to public school shootings if we got rid of public schools."

that's the beamish I knew and loved!

Anonymous said...

@Beamish...

God...damn man....I love you.../sarc.

If you're a girl....you can share my foxhole anytime. See...common damn sense...not estrogen of testosterone.

"With the growing number of county sheriffs around the country saying they will not enforce any new federal gun laws, I think even the cops know. ;)"


Damn right spanky.

JonBerg said...

beamish said..................

"800,000 law enforcement officers expected to enforce unconstitional gun control legislation"

Well, here is a good start:


http://www.utahsheriffs.org/USA-Home_files/2nd%20Amendment%20Letter.pdf

Gramma 2 Many said...

All I have to say is that the PC crowd has gone to far. It is past time to stand up for our rights.
I am trying to return to my blogging. It is slow. We have been on a journey we did not want to take. It is finished now and we are adjusting to our new normal.

Marine4ever said...

JB -- on your beamish said..................

"800,000 law enforcement officers expected to enforce unconstitional [sic] gun control legislation"

Well, here's ANOTHER good start to shoot the bad finger straight up at the Feds:

http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/01/sheriff-joe-arpaio-im-not-confiscating-guns/

While we're fretting about the gun grabbing, why don't we give some thought to the mystery surrounding the purpose for the U.S. government’s procurement of 1.2 billion rounds of hollow-point ammunition?

http://www.beaconequity.com/mystery-surrounding-1-2-billion-rounds-of-ammo-solved-2012-08-23/#ixzz2J48IST9f

JonBerg said...

M4e,

Well, I just read about Sheriff Joe and good on him. I'm glad to see that we have some more with the intestinal fortitude to defend the Constitution. But it's no surprise from him. It goes without saying that it's good to hear other states are, likewise, taking heed. Don't expect much from this "limp wristed" state. Thanks for the information. I'll read the rest (ammo) later, getting tired must turn in. I think .223 is getting scarce around here.

Always On Watch said...

I'm not sure that arming teachers is a good idea. Ever sat in on a heated faculty meeting?

Fredd said...

My Conservative Thoughts:

I've suggested that Joe start censoring the trolls that dwell on his site, on more than one occasion.

He won't because he loves arguing with them. Even though nothing is ever resolved, Joe's trolls are as obtuse as ever.

But I comment at Jo-Joe Politico on occasion, and most of Joe's thuggish trolls leave me alone and do not follow me back, except one and I just zap his garbage much like Z is zapping him here.

Marine4ever said...

AOW -- My brother is [was] a journalism professor and taught Mass Communications. He's told me that there are three things in life that a man ought not to have to see -- the state legislature in session, a university faculty meeting and sausage being made.

Warren said...

Z, an "AR15" is not an assault rifle. The technical definition of "assault rife" is, a selective fire (selective between fully automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.

An "intermediate" cartridge is less powerful than typical full power battle rifle cartridges.


The control freaks intentionally misuse the term "assault rifle" to make the general public believe that the AR is a machine gun. It is not! It is not capable of of full automatic fire and is not readily convertible. Machine Guns are not available to the general public since 1934 and "no" machine guns manufactured after 1986 are legally available to the anyone but the government and police.

The price of a legal M16, (a real assault rifle) if you could find someone willing to sell theirs, made before 1986, with tax and required licenses, (and your local law enforcement must approve) would be in excess of $18,000, Way in excess. Also, the BATFE can, unannounced, pound on your door and inspect it and your premises.

An AR is a civilian copy of an M16. It is "not" a M16 and is not capable of full automatic fire. The AR can fire an intermediate cartridge but by changing the upper, is capable of firing several different caliber cartridges ranging from .22 to .50BMG (in a tedious single shot mode which requires you to partially disassemble the rifle and hand load the the cartridges one at a time (takes about 45 seconds)).

The Lefts end game has always been incremental disarmament of the general public, . First regulation, then restriction, registration and finally confiscation. See NYC, Chicago and the state of California.

Marine4ever said...

Warren -- As you told Z, "...an 'AR15' is not an assault rifle."

And, to put another fallacy to rest, the 'AR' does not mean 'Assault Rifle.' The 'AR' is taken from the name of Armalite, the company that produced and developed the rifle during its early stages.

To make a long story, short -- it's a common misnomer to refer to all civilian rifles that look like the military M16 (and its different variants) as an AR15. Only a rifle produced by Armalite would be a true AR15. All other manufacturers of such a rifle have their own named designations.

JonBerg said...

Warren & M4e,

Great descriptions! I question, however, that the "gun grabbers" will be moved by such reality. I think their ultimate goal is to GRAB em' all!

Anonymous said...

What Is An "Assault Rifle"? - You've Probably Been Lied To

Excellent demo by a Gun Training Police Officer.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yATeti5GmI8

JonBerg said...

IMP,

GREAT LINK!

Warren said...

Marine4Ever, good point.

In 1973, the US Army was trying an experiment in, "on the job training". In most cases it was more like Barnum and Bailey Clown College.

Sgt Warren XXXXXX was busy training West Point Cadets, OCS cadets and National Guard enlistees, that hadn't (yet) rotated through basic training the M16 and qualifying them on the firing range. I qualified expert with the M16 one year and a half before.

I just love it when some smart arsed lefty ask me if I think I'm some kind of an expert. LOL

Warren said...

JonBerg said...

"Great descriptions! I question, however, that the "gun grabbers" will be moved by such reality. I think their ultimate goal is to GRAB em' all!"

Exactly!

They would never be able to confiscate and regulate away the natural right to keep and bear arms all in one piece. They change the language and then pretend they aren't violating our civil rights!

I won't even say "the secondment right to keep and bear arms". Whenever I can, I remind people that the second amendment forbids the "government from infringing on our right to keep and bear arms".

Its about political correctness and semantics.

JonBerg said...

"Its about political correctness and semantics" and "Frog Boiling"!

Anonymous said...

@Warren XXXX:

"I qualified expert with the M16 one year and a half before."

Likewise and ditto...


And It's not the "Bill of Needs"...it's the Bill of Rights. Period

Warren said...

JonBerg, I'm afraid that the frogs meat is starting to fall off the bone. I hope I'm wrong.

Impertinent, the X(s) behind Warren are just a diversion. I don't generally use them. My surname is so rare that I could readily be found if I used it in combination with my given name. Just Warren :^)

JonBerg said...

It seems that I remember some Japanese General said to the effect that, should they prevail elsewhere, they would NEVER be able to occupy us because of the fact that we were/are armed; (thank God for the 2nd Amendment). Obviously, we need not worry about the Japanese or any other extraneous powers. That, however, is no sign whatsoever that we need not be worried about a more insidious enemy from within!

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

It's all another ploy of demrats to wage war and genocide on blacks...plain and simple. They haven't given up since slavery...they'd rather see them kill each other...."legitimately"

Bingo.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

I have a [knockoff] AR-15 but I'm totally in love with my bolt-action Mosin Nagant 1891/32. That antique war weapon will still be slaying deer 20 years from now when it's 100 years old.

Even if the deer hide behind half-inch thick plate steel...

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

I Vasily Zaytsev-ed me a big buck shortly before Christmas. Still got steaks in the freezer yum yum.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

...damn Nazi deer.

Anonymous said...

Sue


"I think the problem is assault weapons and too much ready ammunition."

Good God....a true kool aide drinker. Ever hear of reloads? Most avid sports and gun collectors / owners load their own. So we'll have a nice underground business in selling "banned" ammo?

What possible use is a gun without ammo? I know...you silly libs are brilliant.

You have absolutely no qualms of forcing your ideas of freedom on others...while actually removing those freedoms and becoming more and more like penned up sheep.

And I posted a very informative video on what an "assault" weapon is. Watch it,,,they're no different than your daddy's squirrel gun.

The Bill of Rights...is NOT the Bill of "Needs".

And what I choose to own, buy or protect myself with is none of your business.

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Anonymous said...

@Jonberg

"That, however, is no sign whatsoever that we need not be worried about a more insidious enemy from within!"

Two guesses as to who they are to! And always will be.

And sadly...there are way too many bad cops with massive power egos. They forget who they serve. And if the feds ever militarize them...well...all hell will break loose.

This is what 2A predicted and wanted to avoid....they wanted parity with the "militia" and the cops. The cops are not supposed to be better armed than the populace they serve.

Anonymous said...

Interesting and worth the read:
"Of course there is now a huge national/international cry for gun control and President Obama has just signed executive orders in an attempt to curb gun violence.

But are the so-called experts and our rulers really looking in the right direction? As you're going to see, they're all acting just like conventional medicine... they're treating the symptom, not the cause.

What does this have to do with Newtown, Conn.? If you look at many school shootings, including Columbine, and many suicides, there's been another common denominator besides weapons.


That is, the perpetrators have been on licensed doctor-prescribed, FDA-approved mind-altering drugs, like antidepressants. It's no secret that these drugs can lead to violence. It's one of the known side-effects.


In fact, the drug companies post warnings on SSRI antidepressant drug labels for an increased risk of suicide.
Many people will say, "Well, these people are mentally ill. Who knows if it's the mental illness or the drug then?" So, let's dissect the facts."



People have been depressed and have had alleged mental illness for decades, and more. But we didn't see these types of incidents until recent years. If it was simply mental illness alone, why aren't we seeing lots of horrible incidents from those mentally ill, but not on mind-altering drugs?

Anonymous said...

"Considering the modern "manufacturing" of mental illness (see below) we should be seeing lots of crazies shooting everywhere. But we don't.


"Maybe it's access to guns," they suggest. Well, lethal weapons have been around for millennia, and guns for more than a century. But these types of shootings are a new phenomenon.


I believe that there is far more to these horrors than meets the eye. I do believe politicians are looking in the wrong direction. Automobiles kill tens of thousands, but we have not moved to ban them. We have looked at causes of accidents, such as alcohol and drugs, and (attempt to) deal with the underlying cause.


With these shootings, drugs are off the hook completely. In fact, we know that Pharma drugs kill or maim millions each year. But the response of our rulers is to forge programs and policies that lead to more drug use, like Obamacare.


This law alone might actually increase these incidents by making the chemicals more available. Use of mind-altering drugs is exploding. Pundits create or classify normal human behaviors as mental illness requiring these chemicals.


For example, they're pushing Prozac as a remedy for depression in children in my allopathic CME activities (continuing medical education credits). And they won't even consider non-Pharma approaches. (Remember, Prozac carries a warning about altered dangerous behavior!)


No wonder these chemicals are so widespread. Doctors pay little heed to warnings on "approved" drugs. And, yet, these drugs may be the very cause of these mass shootings.


It appears that the Connecticut killer, Adam Lanza, was also on a mind-altering drug – Fanapt. One of the many side effects listed for Fanapt is "Mood or behavioral changes, or thoughts of hurting yourself or others." With a known side effect like this, why don't we look at the drugs as a primary cause of these killings?


As you well know, I look for the cause of medical problems. I don't like treating the symptoms. I believe that the tragedies our nation has endured should stimulate us to look at preventable factors.

In the case of drugs, they may induce vulnerable people to descend further into mental chaos."



Robert J. Rowen, MD

JonBerg said...

I found this link on the blog site:
Living The Grand Life

I think that it says a lot.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/01/28/gun-laws-and-the-fools-of-chelm-by-david-mamet.html

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