Thursday, January 3, 2013

Wednesday's Yahoo Poll...

Are you happy with the fiscal cliff deal? 

* Yes — anything to avoid major tax hikes. 34% 

* No — we need more reductions in spending. 66% 

Z: SO....where were these people when they VOTED? Yahoo Homepage, if anything, leans left in its articles and its readers somehow show something different.....every time I look at one of the polls. This poll was particularly eye-opening and bittersweet. Yes, Yahoo readers on the street understand....what don't Obama and his people understand? WHY?   And yes, I know these homepage polls aren't exactly scientific, but they lean right nearly EVERY TIME on a left-leaning page.   odd.

Most of us understand that a majority of Americans who voted actually voted for THINGS...they know Obama will take care of them. The other part of his voters knows he'll take care of the needy and poor and that feels cozy to them. Don't they consider AMERICA?

Do they realize that if the 450+ billionaires in this country, the average having 4 billion dollars each, gave ALL they had, it would keep us going only ONE YEAR?

I keep asking this question and I have to ask it again; is Obama really so dense that he thinks hurting the rich will HELP? Or is this all ABOUT hurting the RICH? And why do the Gates and Winfrey's of this world give so much to Africa when we need so much help HERE? Is it not chic? I've often wondered that. And no, leftwinger GeeeZ readers, I am NOT against Africa, for God's sake. I'm for America's poor and needy first...why's that so painful to read?




Bob said...

There is no accounting for our people. Certainly, they are not stupid, but I am beginning to think otherwise. Indeed, where were all those people on election day?

Always On Watch said...

It is my understanding that the so-called deal came too late to prevent a hit to the pocketbook of many Americans.

From this source, dated January 1, 2013:

The budget deal passed by the U.S. Senate today would raise taxes on 77.1 percent of U.S. households, mostly because of the expiration of a payroll tax cut, according to preliminary estimates from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington.

More than 80 percent of households with incomes between $50,000 and $200,000 would pay higher taxes. Among the households facing higher taxes, the average increase would be $1,635, the policy center said. A 2 percent payroll tax cut, enacted during the economic slowdown, is being allowed to expire as of yesterday.

The heaviest new burdens in 2013, compared with 2012, would fall on top earners, who would face higher rates on income, capital gains, dividends and estates. The top 1 percent of taxpayers, or those with incomes over $506,210, would pay an average of $73,633 more in taxes.

Much of that burden is concentrated at the very top of the income scale.

The top 0.1 percent of taxpayers, those with incomes over about $2.7 million, would pay an average of $443,910 more, reducing their after-tax incomes by 8.4 percent. They would pay 26 percent of the additional taxes imposed by the legislation.

Among households with incomes between $500,000 and $1 million, taxes would go up by an average of $14,812.

The bill, being discussed by House members today, would raise the top tax rate to 39.6 percent from 35 percent last year, starting with income over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for married couples.

The top tax rates on capital gains and dividends would go up to 23.8 percent, from 15 percent last year. The new rate includes a 3.8 percent tax from the 2010 health-care law that took effect today.

And from this source, dated January 3, 2013:

Taxes will go up on the rich only, right? Wrong. Federal taxes will rise for 77 percent of Americans because the two-percentage-point payroll tax cut has now expired. A person earning $50,000 and who is paid twice a month will lose $41.67 a paycheck. For the truly rich, those households whose income is $1 million or more, the average tax hit will be $171,330, per the Tax Policy Center. Households earning between $500,000 and $1 million will, on average, pay $15,055 more.

Z said...

Bob, that's my question, exactly. There was fraud discussed directly after the election, but all that talk disappeared with F&F and Benghazi and so much more. Absolutely weird. I had videos on my blog in the primaries of 2008 of Chicago Hillary supporters talking about the fraud they saw by the Obama people in Houston... Even Gloria Allred complained until she apparently was told NOT to.

Z said...

AOW, many Americans are in for a very rude awakening; I'm eager for that to happen because they are finally getting that Bush isn't to blame on this one. Not at all.
CNN cracks me up...they call the tax cuts "Bush ERA tax cuts" because they can't bring themselves to say "Bush tax cuts" to the public as if he helped them out at all :-) No matter if he did the cuts or the Dems did while he was in office, they're usually the BUSH TAX CUTS, but not on CNN !

I just heard that it took 10 days to get federal funding to the Katrina victims; it's 60 days now or so and the hurricane victims still have no fed. aid.

Peter King's furious but did you hear what HUGE pork was included on the bill? ...things ANY thinking American couldn't approve. WHY don't the Republicans talk about that!???? Or are they but the news won't carry that truth?

EzzZee said...

If the whiny, stupid, racist, anti everything conspiracy nutjobs in the Tea Partiers aren't happy with the deal, then something good must have has happened!

Silverfiddle said...

It's hard to tell with these polls. Could be the same people voting over and over.

It has already been established that people do not vote based upon facts. The downward spiral will continue until we finally hit bottom.

Anonymous said...

An uninformed electorate voted for what felt right not for what was right. How could an uninformed know what was right?

Z said...

SF, that's what I suggested, too, but the reason I included the fact that so many of their polls swing more to the right is to show that it's not some fluke, not as much as we'd think, anyway.

Scotty said...

"* No — we need more reductions in spending. 66%"

This group isn't that hard to figure out Z, I would bet that if one was able to question these folks I think you would find them willing to accept spending reductions in someone else's pet project. But would want their own pet project funding left alone.

It's always the same....its your Senator/Congressman that is the problem, not mine. I see that mind set all the time.

I forget the show I was watching, on that show was some gal from the Daily Beast and she was disappointed that the president wasn't cutting more spending. She didn't say where she wanted the spending cuts but, It wouldn't be that hard to figure out where.

The REAL question would be, where would these 66% want reductions. That would be the real eye opener.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Z said: "finally getting that Bush isn't to blame on this one. Not at all."
I hate to disagree, but they'll believe whatever they are told.
When Katrina hit, it was bush's fault.
Sandy hits, and even Christie says it the Republican's fault.
it's a lose/lose/ deal as far as the fiscal cliff nonsense was.
The problem is that neither Boehner or that poor lost soul McConnell (and that IS the Republican leadership at the moment) can explain any of it clearly and meaningfully (passion, fervency, concern?) when given the opportunity.

Ducky's here said...

We need to dramatically lower the rate of increase of the deficit. Eliminating it completely is not possible (or even desirable) without a severe reduction in growth.

Myself, I'd remind folks how much a for profit health, education and military cost and trim that fat.
Target the money that does nothing more than create equity bubbles and contributes nothing to growth or the community.

Or you can keep getting reamed by your Galtian masters. Your choice.

JonBerg said...

" is Obama really so dense that he thinks hurting the rich will HELP"

I maintain that "hurting the rich" is just an integral part of his larger goal, that of REVENGE. I almost said that nobody could be that dumb about Economics but then there must be many; after all he got re-elected!

Our economy is in shambles and Americans don't have the inclanation or fortitude to face it. Just look at the "Balanced" solution that our leaders came up with, 40:1, spending to cut. Now that's really balanced, isn't it! Even if Romney had won, the [best] we could have hoped for would have been a [slow] turn-around and I mean slow as in years and years! The path chosen by the electorate of this Nation will only lead us to armageddon and socialism-guaranteed!

Joe Conservative said...

I'm more worried about getting raped by my federally unionized proletarian masters than my Galtian ones, duckman.

Joe Conservative said...

Because non-profit "government sponsored" health, education and military costs are ALWAYS extracted from my wallet at the point of a policeman's gun.

EzzZee said...

Just heard that John Boehner was re-elected as the Repubs Speaker
Looks like the Repubs won`t even stand up to their own Speaker. So how are they going to have any chance against Barack Obama?
You people are pathetic!

Radical Redneck said...

It seems as if that Black Racist Ezzee is right, Boehner was re-elected Speaker of the House today..
Its another very sad day for America. We are surrounded by cowards on the right and Communists on the left.

Anonymous said...

From Z of GeeeZ:

Scotty, I agree...don't take MY stuff away, right?

Don't come here anymore with the name calling; nobody's calling you "pathetic"...
I'll tell you what, however,
PATHETIC is calling people racist because they back black AMericans who don't think like you do.
PATHETIC is not understanding the system and condemning the GOP for voting for (that jerk) Boehner .
PATHETIC is the leftwingers condemning the GOP for not voting for the full amount for hurricane victims of Sandy (did YOU see the amount of expensive pork with that bill? Of course not, because you hear only what you want to hear) and not calling Obama names when Bush had federal bucks to Katrina within 10 days and your hero hasn't supplied any money for SIXTY DAYS.

That's just a few examples of what's truly PATHETIC.

THanks for coming by so often! z

Anonymous said...

From Z:

Radical...they had no TIME to get behind anybody else and, much as I REALLY DON"T ADMIRE BOEHNER (believe it or not, Breitbart introduced me to him at a party and we spoke about 20 minutes and he's a creepy DRUNK...I think that's why he crreiiiiieees so much :-)...he did what he could do. He was right in calling that swine Reid what he did. I think it's the first thing I approved of by Boehner! (foul as it was!)

Anonymous said...


From Z:

"for profit" means "better competition"'s good competition impede cutting costs?
It's fat government healthcare, etc., which causes problems. Look at our postal service. GREAT WORK (not).

But you're right on the what spending cuts would you make other than military?

uptownsteve said...

So this is where the refugees from FPM hang out. LMAO. Look we weren't going off any fiscal cliff. You think those Republican hypocrites were going to sacrifice their paychecks? Hello to Net Observer and Z. It's your old nemesis Uptownsteve. And I promise I'll be nice.

uptownsteve said...

I do have a question for Z. How come the Republicans only support blacks who most other blacks don't like? I hope you're not going to tell me that black Republicans are the only blacks who believe in hard work and self-sufficiency. I REALLY hope your not going to say THAT.

uptownsteve said...

No, no, no. Net did not quote Brimelow the white supremacist on his homepage. Did he?

JonBerg said...

"How come the Republicans only support blacks who most other blacks don't like?"

OK, how come most other blacks don't like the ones that Republicans support?

Republicans tend to support people who believe in hard work and self-sufficency, black or white!

uptownsteve said...


Most blacks don't like black Republicans they are hustlers. Taking full advantage of being tokens in the short line. They don't represent black people and indeed perpetuate anti-black sentiment and stereotypes. And I KNOW you're not suggesting that black Republicans are the only blacks who believe in hard work and self sufficiency, are you?

Ducky's here said...

@z ---

"for profit" means "better competition"'s good competition impede cutting costs?

Then why do health insurers have an antitrust exemption?
Monopoly generates competition? Who knew.

Last man standing laissez-faire fosters competition? Only in the short term.

JonBerg said...

I didn't say a word about "black Republicans". Now, I'm finished with this subject.

Leticia said...

Obama is not stupid he knows that by taxing the rich, which are mostly business owners, he will be forcing them to downsize or close and in turn, people will have no other choice but to rely on the government.

-FJ said...


-FJ said...

Django unchained...

-FJ said...

Get with the program!

Thersites said...

The field negro-house negro split is SO. yesterday. We have a magic negro in the White House now.

Anonymous said...

From Z:

Ducky, 'for profit' is not 'monopoly'
Big government IS monopoly.

Thersites, I don't like that term here.

FJ..ignore.'ll never win, even if you're right. Please ignore. There is absolutely nothing to be gained; TRUST me.

Thanks, everybody!


uptownsteve said...


There is no field/house negro "split." You have ONE black Republican in Congress who was APPOINTED to his Senate seat. The House Negroes don't represent any blacks and can't get a significant number of white Republicans to vote for them. There is a black Democrat in the White House who was elected by all segments of American society except the right. It ain't even a contest.

Thersites said...

WhoknewthatAllen west was such a loser that white Democrats wouldn't vote for him...

FreeThinke said...

Like everything else coming our of Washington, DC, this is pure FARCE -- a theatrical extravaganza staged by The Establishment -- then presented through the abundant resources of the enemedia to persuade the masses that "Government is working on your behalf."

I often think of Lewis Carroll's Alice, who said, when she finally got a grip on her perplexing situation, "Why you're nothing but a pack of cards!"


Thersites said...

btw- If the magic negro in the White House didn't give racist Democrats a pass, He'd be sharing a forty with Allen West on K Street, today!

uptownsteve said...


Most of the whites in West's district voted for Romney. Looks like even the white Repubs got tired of his clown show.

FreeThinke said...

Ducky, dearest, why is it that you -- and the rest of your ilk -- never seem to understand in your ceaseless game-playing that the GOVERNMENT is far and away THE biggest MONOPOLY ever created.

The long range plan by the elites, which of course you will deny, to maneuver us into submitting to One World Dictatorship is the most fiendish ambition yet conceived.

Once that is accomplished, NONE of us will have anything whatsoever to day about the running of our lives. All will be done FOR us. All decisions will be made FOR us -- for our own good, of course.

What fools these mortals be!

Kid said...

I believe it is about hurting the rich AND the White. obama is a dweeb and an activist who gives a S less for the laws and principles of America.

I heard about another poll in which people were asked what the Fair Share tax rate should be on 'the rich'. Answer: 22%.

shakin my head.

And yes, taxes are going UP on the middle class. We have already started paying those taxes if one knows anything about food prices or any other prices.

It's like living in a monkey cage at the zoo.
Hey you libs better stop throwing that stuff!
And present company accepted you gorgeous femme with the magnificent mind , but did you see 20 new Female senators and 16 of em democarps? Good God..

Kid said...

Letica, No, we, the middle class will simply pay the tax for 'the rich'. It's just a cost of doing business to be passed along.

Same as it ever was.

Elmers Brother said...

Well Thersites it would be awful lonely sharing a forty with the blacks elected from white Democratic districts

Ducky's here said...

The field negro-house negro split is SO. yesterday.

You see Django Unchaind?

Anonymous said...


"but did you see 20 new Female senators and 16 of them democarps? Good God.."

Let's see if I can get away with this...and truly test whether we have some under cover fema-nazi's here.

This is what we need...more hand wringing Debbies, Jordans, Boxers, and the odious Feinstein ( whose husband, Blum stands to make a killing off the Al Gores treachery and traitorous sale to Arab - enemy scum ) that wishes to erase a constitutional right..NOT A PRIVILEGE....A RIGHT.

But the girls... being girls will wring their hands and say.....yes ...YES...we must get rid of those icky, nasty, terrible guns. We need to "protect" the children....we need to protect the schools....

These estrogen drunk idiots ( remember they elected that Pocahontas Warren....the Ward Chamberlin of native Americans to the Senate over a man who by any ( Brown ) was a wishy washy pansy anyway...) to have.."solidarity" with the glass ceiling and all that shit we've been fed for the last 20 years.

So...we've had 3 female S of State....and the current one has single handedly sold out America to the Islamist Fascists on orders from the black Furher? Yep...she has. Does anyone with the IQ of a fence post believe this wasn't planned and pre ordained?

We need more demorats in skirts in Congress? What's care centers on the house floor?

And female demrats that want to and wil go along with the DISMANTLING of the Constitution? Just as the two fat farts on the Supreme Court will do...once they get another bolshevik to get gay with.

Whose going to protect those women? Not their eunuch husbands.....they won't be allowed to carry weapons...thanks to the commie Feinstein. it always the Jews that want to take away our right to self defense? Why...haven't they learned one damn thing after 60 years? or haven't they seen what Israel puts up with? Stupid...stupid...Stupid, gullible, naive, ignorant of history assholes.

And I'm married to one that's as naive as she was when she was 16.

Kid said...

IMP, I hear you and while I see some incredible Conservative-Common Sense women out here and there, it is the huge exception to the rule.

Generally speaking women have been F* up this country - turning it into a giant day care center since helen gurley brown gave them their marching orders.

As a group, given they really aren't that happy "bringing home the bacon and frying it up in the pan" (who would be) I have to question their mental stability and capacity for critical thought.

There are articles in the news detailing how they've completely alienated themselves from men because of the women's lib movement. They don't like having to work like dogs, they want to get married but they've turned themselves into as unattractive as a group, as they possibly can.

It is no secret or surprise that women pretty much aren't interested in Logical Mechanical thought.

Women are made to be good at some things, and men at others. They're the lovers, the child raisers, the empaths, the emotion, the beauty, and we're the beasts of burden.

We're Different for a reason. We have different mental and physical capabilities.

MEN: We learn how stuff works, We move electricity from here to your house and keep it coming. We Love to take shit apart and put it back together again. I was doing it at 6 years old. My bicycle. 26 inch Schwinn. We fight off the vermin. We protect and serve. We fix the plumbing and the electrical problems in the house. We put the spiders outside. (those of us who are sane) and we love doing it.

We are guided by logic and understand tough love and everything that doesn't kill someone makes them stronger and that people Should grow up in tough times and be strong. We know that you don't need a law that says "No tackle football on the Cement Playground" or "No Putting Hands over the Fire."
We know that 30 kids seeing some idiot split his head open playing tackle football on cement will teach all the others for generations.

We can accept that if some kid does it twice and dies, he shouldn't be here in the first place !


Kid said...

... part 2

People! We're on a rock flying through space! and we don't live forever! and we need to be strong to keep the vermin at bay !

We are not born with freedom in our bloodstream. As Reagan said. We must be diligent every minute of every day to preserve it.

Women want everyone to be happy and get along. Even if it means inviting the muslim vermin into our country and disarming everyone. Oops, missed the criminals, lunatics, illegal mexican Vermin, (they're not all 23 year old mommas looking to make a better life for their family. Many are rapist murderers who know that even if they do get caught in America, they'll end up in a 3 start hotel called prison !)

They want to wrap everyone in cotton. They want no one to ever suffer pain. They want no child to feel the terrible anguish of being spanked for being a brat at school, or for losing a baseball game.

Hey ladies, I enjoyed the hell out of being spanked by a Hot Nun. Get a grip !

They don't understand that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. They don't understand that people NEED those lessons. Men do at least.

They feel more empathy for the F* vermin who raped and killed some 13 year old girl than they do for the dead 13 year old girl ! (He just needs help..what went wrong in his life, bla bla fricken bla)

As a result, they've turned this country into a moronic mediocre rewarding (at best) punish the successful, reward the guilty multi-cultural shithole.

MADD has caused some good men who somehow found themselves behind the wheel with .09 alcohol in their blood but perfectly capable of driving, to find themselves in prison while they weep over some POS who just raped and killed several young women.

They're not capable of rational thought. They can't make the tough decisions. Spare the rod and spoil the child is so foreign to them, we now have legions of ignorant undisciplined, force medicated children finding their way to college and can't even solve a simple algebra problem.

If I got whacked in school, and my parents found out about it, I got whacked when I got home too.

We have Microsoft with the highest number of Visa requests from vermin countries because we're not graduating kids who are capable of being software engineers physically or mentally, or emotionally.

And we give the women more power by the minute. This is not their calling generally speaking.

Ayn Rand, Margaret Thatcher, ah Ok. diane feinstien nana pelosi, boxer, that buckwheat girl who got voted out finally in Georgia - Not helpful

Z said...

man, I'm NO feminist and even I started to get mad reading your comments, kid!

You could say almost the exact thing for MANY men these days that you said about women and their liberal stupidity about everything being 'nice nice' and 'let's not call terrorism terrorism'...hell, that's OBAMA, isn't it? And all his thugs?

I personally love not working but I know women who thrive on it.

I can't address all your points, or Imp's, but I don't think it's the women who're screwing this country up, though there are plenty (many of whom you've named) at the top of the (dung) heap who ARE.

I believe most men are equally as guilty for screwing up our kids these days.
I was at a one-hour Christmas Eve service at 3 pm on Christmas Eve day and there must have been 40 kids there...all ages. A new phenomena is that 'God forbid these kids should just have to SIT FOR AN HOUR" WE did. No, they had two tables of crayons and papers and little chairs so the parents could keep them occupied....
Sitting and listening teaches discipline, it teaches restraint, it teaches kids to entertain themselves in their own little minds or find things quietly which do, etc etc. NOooo...they had to BE OCCUPIED COLORING during the whole service. AND when they got noisy, ya think the parents hauled them immediately out so's not to bug other adults? OH, no..of course not. We had to ALL barely hear what was being said.

AND, get this; they had a little typical Christmas pageant of little kids as Joseph and Mary and Shepherds, etc...Mary marches down the aisle, about 7 years old, looking 34 month pregnant. Yup, they'd stuffed a huge cushion up her SEVEN. Yes, she's supposed to be Mary, but..REALLY? It looks like Jon Benet Ramsey'd been messing around...(God rest her soul)

Kids are SCREWED because of moms AND dads who can't discipline, or won't discipline.

(they don't teach them to sit for one darned hour and then have to give them drugs later for Att'n Deficit Disorder???!! man)

They Say/We Say said...

The DemocRats say that anyone who makes over $50k is rich!
At least Bohner got it up to $400k.
But think about buying a Franchise, oh, say, a Burger king or MacDonalds, after investing all your saving and maybe your families, you hope to recoup your investment in 15 yrs. and then work on your retirement.
Now NOT GONA HAPPEN in 20yrs.
Who would want to invest in a franchise now!
Less and less will want to start up a business if you can not make $500k a yr. at least.
Well you can make it-but not see it--it will be taken from you; so why bother!
This DemocRats Tax ceiling will stop most all economic growth from the young people wanting to be somebody! May as well look for work in the service sector, and be a happy idiot struggling for the legal tender.

Kid said...

Z, You could say almost the exact thing for MANY men these days that you said about women and their liberal stupidity

I agree. Yes, if a woman wants to be a career focused woman, I have no problem with it. At my core are: Free Will is God's greatest gift and individual freedom is America's greatest gift. Though we are Born with both and don't really need America to give us anything. As a concept.

I also wholeheartedly agree with everything else you said.

Kid said...

They Say, Giving us some Jackson Brown !

Any ladies out there with some dark glasses ?

Kid said...

Thanks for your feedback Jen

Kid said...

PS - I don't speak for 'conservative republicans' because there Aren't any.

Jen Nifer said...

it's always interesting when someone refers to half of the population as "they".

Jen Nifer said...

you' re welcome kid. we all need some feedback grounded in reason and logic from time to time.

Kid said...

Jen, Cordially, who was/is it that has turned the country into a giant day care center, and please support your argument.

Kid said...

Jen you're welcome kid. we all need some feedback grounded in reason and logic from time to time.

Agree. Can you add some more verbiage to your thoughts? Can you provide some case study or theory or detailed opinion to why you've completely discounted what I had to say.

Jen Nifer said...

i don' t know what you are referring to.

Kid said...

Jen i don' t know what you are referring to.

Day Care Center?

Ok, you may be too young then to have witnessed the transformation. Cest la vie.

Good luck.

Jen Nifer said...

i discounted it because it is absurd to generalize all women the way you did. i don't have case studies. it is just not productive to sweep all women into one category. i' m not ayn rand or nancy pelosi. i am not very articulate because i am typing on a tablet...frustrating keyboard.

Kid said...

Jen, I didn't generalize ALL women. The phrase "generally speaking" specifically allows for some women to exclude themselves, and concedes that 'nothing is all encompassing.'

Ditto, phrases I included such as "as a group"

Also note my reply to Z "I agree. Yes, if a woman wants to be a career focused woman, I have no problem with it. At my core are: Free Will is God's greatest gift and individual freedom is America's greatest gift."

There are some women who want to be in combat infantry in the Marines. I have no problem with that if they can perform equally to the men they will be alongside. If they can't then I do have a problem, they'll get someone's son or daughter killed because they couldn't do their job.


Jen Nifer said...

i agree with all of that comment. your tone in the original post was much more...extreme. i usually like what you have to say kid. when i see such polarizing rhetotic i feel frustrated that conservatives seem so eager to BE the negative stereotypes as portrayed in the media. it is no way to gain strength a nd support.

Z said...

Jen, I LOVE your avatar photo..good job, girl.

Kid, what comment are you referring to at Jen with "thanks for your feedback?"

goodnight, Chet...Goodnight, Dave.

Jen Nifer said...

as i get older i accept the differences and greatness in both sexes. both are superior in some ways, inferior in others.

Jen Nifer said...

thanks z, a great little bakery with excellent espresso. it looks like that comment disappeared. i didnt delete it.

Kid said...

Jen, I think it's worthwhile to add to this....
The labels we as a current American society been using have been so perverted, it's about impossible to converse using them. Conservative, Liberal for example.

You basically got me as a Conservative, using modern script, but did you know that true conservatives are Very Far Left socially? We are. We don't care what people do, as long as it is legal and in some cases illegal. Life, liberty, Pursuit of Happiness. Not many restrictions or judgements there. For good reason.
Our founders were Flaming Liberals but because of evolving terminology, we've come to call ourselves liberals.

Totally confuses the issue. We are the original liberals.

Progressive actually is a term coined by the fascist communists. Google it.

Anyway, real conservatives wish to have No Control over anyone. Religion? OK, No religion? Ok too.

Check out the constitution. It was written specifically so the common person (at the time) could read and understand it. Didn't need to be a lawyer. And most of it protects you from the government. The primary focus of pilgrims separating from an oppressive English Monarchy.

And if you don't think you need protection from the government, think again. Put that in the back of your mind and evaluate it against current events.


Kid said...

Jen, Thank you. Ok, I may have been polarizing with the first comment. It's a big subject, and given my scope on events, there are lots of problems with our country in the areas of individual liberties and control. That was my focus when I write it but I do stand by my assessment that women generally speaking are not trained for logical mechanical thought, or would want to be, and that these skills are necessary to guide a country like ours in the global environment we have to deal with. It's not a nice world out there. No offense if you already know that.

Jen Nifer said...

i do understand classical liberalism kid. :) i am somewhere between libertarian and conservative. voted for gary johnson, thoughtfully. i have changed a lot in the past few years and will probably change even more in the future.

Kid said...

Z, the 1st one.

Kid said...

Jen, as i get older i accept the differences and greatness in both sexes. both are superior in some ways, inferior in others

Well said. And I couldn't agree more.

Jen Nifer said...

yes, unfortunately i have experienced a bit of sorrow in my life. oddly, i find myself more reasonable and logical than many men i know. femininity and masculinity are not necessarily gender specific. i am probably stating the obvious.

Jen Nifer said...

i.e. ann coulter is more masculine than paul begala.

Kid said...

Jen, yes, unfortunately i have experienced a bit of sorrow in my life. oddly, i find myself more reasonable and logical than many men i know. femininity and masculinity are not necessarily gender specific. i am probably stating the obvious.


Something I say or think from time to time...

I have to forget about quite a bit to be happy on this rock. It's not a nice place considering all the human abuse going on. It is the worst planet I've ever lived on.
Yet, there is beauty and there are things worth fighting for. Least of which is individual liberty.

"America is mankind's last best hope"

Ronald Reagan. Got that right.

Kid said...

Jen i.e. ann coulter is more masculine than paul begala.

Don't know Ann very well and don't know paul at all..

I know ann is labeled as a conservative extremist but I don't read her, and I actually think most people in the media these days are just out to make money - "buy my book" and all that.

While we're on the subject, I really don't know of any "conservatives" who are visible to the country these days.
rush is way too polarizing, hannity is simple minded imo, I just don't see anyone out there making the case for liberty and common sense without dragging a lot of distasteful baggage along with them at the least or best, depending.

I know ann cried when chris christie didn't run for president. I don't think much of christie. All he did was tell the NJ teachers union there wasn't any money when there wasn't. Nor did he do much of anything substantial for the sandy victims/aftermath.

Well, it's late. Good luck to you and better times.

Jen Nifer said...

thanks kid. i have no complaints at the moment. i am very grateful...and have plenty of inspiration at the moment to keep me going forward. life is good! best to you!

JonBerg said...


"'ll never win, even if you're right. Please ignore"

Well, does this mean that the 'clown', in question, will always "win" by default?

Z said...

JB....absolutely not.
But 'winning' doesn't include having someone here who I know is worthless for constructive, noncombatant dialogue.

JonBerg said...


"Kids are SCREWED because of moms AND dads who can't discipline, or won't discipline."

"can't": Because Liberalism disallows it.

"won't": Because it's punitive to the disciplinarian (see "can't" above).

Liberalmann said...

Leticia said..."Obama is not stupid he knows that by taxing the rich, which are mostly business owners, he will be forcing them to downsize or close and in turn, people will have no other choice but to rely on the government."

Really? Do tell how this will happen and why? This is one of the most inane posts I've read in quite some time.

JonBerg said...


"Obama is not stupid he knows that by taxing the rich, which are mostly business owners, he will be forcing them to downsize or close and in turn, people will have no other choice but to rely on the government."

Once again you are 'SPOT ON'!

You have exposed how the Fraud-in-Chief will cause this to happen and why. Yours is among the best posts of the day! Keep up the good work.