The White House asked for this investigation by not telling the truth in the first place.....by Democrat Consultant, Kirsten Powers:
Here's why: An e-mail has surfaced from a deputy national security adviser to Susan Rice on how to characterize the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on Sunday news programs. He advised Rice, then ambassador to the U.N., that her primary goal was to "underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy." The e-mail was redacted when the most-transparent-administration-in-history provided Benghazi documents to Congress earlier, but was found through a Freedom of Information Act request.
Democrats are furious that the House will hold a vote to create a select committee to investigate the administration's response to the attack in Libya that left four Americans dead. They know this won't end well.
Though White House officials say they were operating on the best intelligence available, they were willfully ignoring information that the attack was preplanned by groups with terrorist links, a fact that undermined President Obama's re-election claim that "al-Qaeda is on the run." Cherry-picking intelligence is a big no-no.
It took real effort for the White House to overlook the tsunami of evidence that contradicted its campaign talking points. Before Rice's appearances on Sept. 16, 2012, National Public Radio reported that Libya's president had told NPR that al-Qaeda was responsible for the "precalculated, preplanned attack." Former deputy CIA director Mike Morell testified last month, "Analysts said from the get-go that al-Qaeda was involved."
A former deputy chief of mission in Libya, Gregory Hicks, testified last year his "jaw dropped" when he watched Rice blame the video. Retired general Robert Lovell, on duty at U.S. Africa Command at the time, testified last week, "What we did know ... was that this was a hostile action … a terrorist attack." Last week, Fox News' Bret Baier asked former national security spokesman Tommy Vietor how the administration came up with its video tale. Vietor replied that there were "guys quoted in newspapers saying (the video is why) they were there." So much for operating on the best intelligence.
White House spokesman Jay Carney improbably claimed that the Rhodes advice was not "explicitly" about Benghazi but about protests throughout the Middle East. CNN's Jake Tapper called Carney's comments "dissembling, obfuscating and … insulting." He was being generous. Rice was dispatched to discuss Benghazi, which is why she was grilled about it on every show.
White House officials brought this House investigation on themselves. They could have avoided it by simply telling the truth. Unfortunately, that was too much to ask." ..Kirsten Powers
Yes, FOX has had the good sense to hire Kirsten Powers as a Democrat Consultant and, if you've seen her on FOX, you know she's 'all Democrat'...that's why I particularly thought this was an important piece for us all to read.
You're NOT crazy for caring about Benghazi, FOX isn't in on any conspiracy.....we're all after THE TRUTH. Please, let's hope it comes out. Trey Gowdy is no Darryl Issa. THANK GOD.
I have a question for you, other than hoping to hear your comments on the above. That question is this:
There are many seats on the group who'll be investigating this situation. Some are saying no Democrats will be wanting to take a seat so it could be all Republicans. The Democrats could purposefully do that because they're desperate for Americans to continue to believe their ruse that this is all just FOX and CONSPIRACY. HOWEVER, if NO DEMOCRATS are on that panel, nothing from their side will be entertained. No one will be there to stand up for the administration. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
Z
81 comments:
"The Republicans will hold yet another investigation and they will come to the same conclusion as the previous investigations--the President is Black."
--- Bill Maher
If the Democrats refuse to participate, they then abrogate their repsonsiblities as legislators, and their moral right to criticize the process or the findings.
This is another example of our elected representatives caring exclusively about party politics over serving the citizenry.
Even if they participate, they should hang their collective heads in shame for the many disservices they have done to the American people regarding Benghazi.
Ducky, Bill Maher is a bitter, little man and I am starting to worry about you.
To answer Z's question, in the long run it will make little difference if the Dems boycott the committee. There are questions to be answered with respect to the cover-up.
1. Who determined that no help would be forthcoming to the Ambassador and his staff during the attack?
2. Who ordered the Susan Rice talking points to be solely about a fictitious reason for the attack , i.e., a Youtube video nobody remembers anymore, and to deny that the attack was planned and executed by terrorist close to Al Queda. Who ordered the lies?
3. Where were the President and the Secretary of State during the attack when everyone else were in the situation room? With whom did the President and the Secretary of State communicate during the attack, and what were their comments/orders?
Duck, both you and Bill Maher are trying to ignore the fact that the ultimate reason good people died was because of policies originated by their bosses. Who were those bosses, and how high did the responsibility go to ignore several previous attacks on the same facility, and to ignore the pleadings of the Ambassador and his staff?
We are all ready to understand that Barack Obama is incompetent, and none of us believe he is malicious when it comes to others lives. At least, that's what we think.
Perhaps we will know the truth after a while.
Question for you simpletons over at those “Progressive” blogs: why do you CARE if we post about Benghazi? What are you afraid of? It is NOT a dead issue, (pun intended).
Every time a republican brings up Benghazi, we hear, “BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI, BENGHAZ”!
Are we breaking your 11th Commandment Thou shalt not say anything bad, judge, or criticize Obama!!
Well, this is MY First Commandment! Thou shall not trust anything that this Administration, says, does, or tries to do, but hold them to the fire at all times.
@CI:
From your mouth to God's ears.
" they should hang their collective heads in shame for the many disservices they have done to the American people regarding Benghazi."
You can bet they won't. But well said.
We really are at / in war.
Refuse to participate? This is the eighth hearing, I believe.
It's great kabuki though.
The ACA is not proving the cataclysm that expert analysts like "Death Panel" Palin (she's all yours) predicted.
Sanctions may be bearing fruit in Ukraine.
I notice that Piketty's book has got the White House's attention and in predictable Larry Summers fashion the wagons are being circled to defend the oligarchy.
But how can any of that stand up to Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. Especially when you have no shame for being so easily played.
The TeeBaggers are paranoid, they are totally crazy. They are the new version of the KKK. They marinate in their paranoia, then report it to their fellow paranoids, then they all nod their pinheads in agreement They are racist douchebag assholes that have infested this site with their anti-Obama ranting and raving morons. . These are the same folks who believe dinosaurs and Jesus hung out together, and that the Earth is 6,000 years old, and if you tell them that is bullshit they SCREAM! CHRISTIAN BASHING!!!!!
But this is America and I guess that they have every right to be ignorant, stupid, racist, and paranoid.
The best thing to do is read their idiocy for laughs, they're funnier than Bill Maher, who insults them with class, and that drives them wild..
Ducky - "Refuse to participate? This is the eighth hearing, I believe."
If we had the answers to the cogent questions that Bob laid out, you would have some sort of point. This 'most transparent Administration' has been decidely opaque, and for quite apparently political reasons.
Imp - "From your mouth to God's ears."
It's not God who needs to hear, it the 'voting left'.
Ignorance on Parade
Sigh...
Ducky said, "The ACA is not proving the cataclysm that expert analysts like "Death Panel" Palin (she's all yours) predicted."
The ACA cannot function without cost savings. Since Obama is ripping $750 Billion dollars from Medicare to help pay for the Obama Care monstrosity.
The built-in mechanism to make the necessary cost cuts is a PANEL called The Independent Payment Advisory Board. They will decide who gets what kind of treatment, and in many cases, who lives and who dies. Think end of life cancer treatments, etc.
The Death Panel is a necessary construct for the ACA.
Now, do you understand, Ducky? The Death Panel is real, necessary. and unavoidable in Obama's plans for senior citizens.
Benghazi, Benghazi
People died
Benghazi, Benghazi
People lied
Benghazi, Benghazi
Our shame, shame
Benghazi, Benghazi
Obama to blame
Bob, I think you probably have read a couple of times about how I know Bill Maher speaks at Loyola Marymount here in LA from time to time and is hitting on young coeds to come back with him to his hotel, etc. They still ask him to come back. amazing.
And, Bob, a MOST important question that Gowdy's FINALLY voicing is "how did they KNOW it would be over relatively soon?" That's a key question.
American Jihad; I wonder if you heard Pelosi's astounding presser this morning?
See, apparently, by demanding the truth for the Benghazi victims' families and many Americans, Republicans are apparently uncaring about jobs, the economy, and global warming. Ya, I guess Dems can't walk and chew gum??
It's just REALLY GOOD that FINALLY more materials coming out that definitely indicates these hearings must be held.
If the Left has a brain, they're very worried about Gowdy.
you'll start hearing that Gowdy didn't go to his senior prom soon, wait for it. ANYTHING to nail a good guy who's nailing this administration.
Well, z, you can go about it in a couple ways.
1. Use reason. It was over in a relatively short time and sending a military strike could well have resulted in escalation, more death and it would certainly have put personnel at risk.
Obama made a decision as CIC and in this case it was the correct decision.
2. Deflect with pithy stuff like:
Benghazi, Benghazi
People died
Benghazi, Benghazi
People lied
Clearly a play on a slogan arising from the Iraq war. Apparently implying that the two (Iraq and Benghazi) are equivalent.
This can safely be called the opposite of reason.
So beat drum and maybe get some campaign money and deflect from important issues. That's the state we're in.
No, it is not the state we're in and your comments don't change the truth. Never have. Never will.
NBC didn't cover this at all the last few days, CBS only reflected the Democrat's silly disdain (don't forget they're related to Ben Rhodes), and ABC said nothing.
Like liberal Judith Miller said "This IS a story, whether they like it or not." To which was added "And the networks will have to fill people in on what led up to this when conclusions are made"
Meanwhile, I go to CNN and they're covering the Malaysian air disaster.
THAT is the state we're in.
28 people from the embassy were removed WITHIN 30 MINUTES -- FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE MOB'S ATTACK!
Two were missing... The ambassador and his body guard..
The 28 members were removed and taken to a safe house within 30 minutes. Two CIA members from the safe house, hours later, went back to the consulate office to "check things out" and were hit by mortar after shining their laser at an area they thought to be occupied by gunmen.
now, just what a military strike would have done to lower those casualties is open to really serious debate.
@Z --- Like liberal Judith Miller said "This IS a story, whether they like it or not."
---
Jailhouse Judy, the woman who was behind publishing "Curveball" and the phony theories about WMD that led to the Iraq fiasco?
The liberal?
Cut your losses, z.
" Deflect with pithy stuff like:
Benghazi, Benghazi
People died
Benghazi, Benghazi
People lied
"
Like O'Reilly says, "Keep it pithy!"
"now, just what a military strike would have done to lower those casualties is open to really serious debate."
OK. Let's have that debate. Isn't that what the committee is all about, anyway? Let's debate why those good people had to die. Let's debate why help was denied to the victims.
One more thing, you seem to feel that other deaths could have resulted if we had launched an attack. Why do you care more for terrorists deaths than American State Department deaths? Please correct me on this.
Z: "Bill Maher speaks at Loyola Marymount..."
Why would anyone think that Maher has any wisdom to impart? Maybe the coeds... No, I will not suggest that.
It's already been debated, Bob.
This is strictly kabuki.
This is strictly kabuki.
I'm sure the families would disagree. And didn't the queen bee and his holiness say 20 months ago he'd get to the bottom of this and the people responsible? Then it took the FBI 3 weeks to get to libya? What did they do, take a camel train there from Egypt?
Looks to me like he'll have to lock up that old maggot flesh eating Jebediah Cummings first. You know...the one who has been secretly conspiring with the IRS / Lerner to ratchet up the wrath of God on those conservatives? The one who feasts on (Jim) Crow?
The fact that the President is black, is not the issue. Ducky, and Annie, are spewing racism which has nothing to do with this.
Hillary isn't black, and she said about the deaths of the four men who were left to die, "what difference does that make"?
When Nixon had a hand in the cover-up of Republicans who broke into a Democrat office, it was John Dean who worked in the Nixon Administration, who told the truth about the cover-up, and it was a group of Republicans who advised Nixon he should resign his Presidency.
BTW, no one died in that instance!
Nixon resigned from his Presidency.
We must recognize the attention of the date of the terror attack, on the Ambassador, and three other men in Benghazi, who were murdered. It was 9-11, which should remind everyone of Alqaida and it's chosen date.
They chose that day because it was their favorite date which made them known around the world as a famous Islamist terror group!!
They are not on the run as was said by our President. They are still a terrorist group, who want power, and leadership.
" It was 9-11, which should remind everyone of Alqaida and it's chosen date.
They chose that day because it was their favorite date which made them known around the world as a famous Islamist terror group!!"
Even more than that, we had multiple indicators and warnings of a ramp up in insurgent operatios, to the point where our FVEY partners were scaling down or departing Benghazi.
@Imp ---
I'm sure the families would disagree
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“I don’t trust Romney,” she told WHDH-TV. “He shouldn’t make my son’s death part of his political agenda. It’s wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama.”
----- Barbara Doherty, mother of Glen
"It's already been debated, Bob."
Oh, no. There has yet to be a complete disclosure of information from the White House and the State Department. There may be nothing there but the expected incompetence, but the nation has to know.
Get some popcorn, Ducky. Enjoy the show. What else do we have to do except comment on Z's blog, anyway.
Debate, my ass...
@CI " It was 9-11, which should remind everyone of Alqaida and it's chosen date. "
They chose that day because it was their favorite date which made them known around the world as a famous Islamist terror group!!"
Ducky thinks the whole thing was a coincidence. Strange, that's what Obama wants us to think.
So you thought that we were in trouble before?
Meet you new President.
Presidente Moochie
WASHINGTON (AP) - Michelle Obama is delivering the president's weekly address this week.
The White House says she will focus the radio and Internet address on Mother's Day and the nearly 300 girls who remain missing after being kidnapped more than three weeks ago from their school in Nigeria by an Islamist extremist group whose leader has threatened to sell them.
The case has sparked international outrage. The U.S. and other nations are assisting the Nigerian government in its efforts to find the girls.
This week, Mrs. Obama tweeted a photo of herself in the White House holding a sign with the message "(hashtag) Bring Back Our Girls."
Mrs. Obama has joined President Barack Obama on past weekly addresses. Saturday's will be the first one she delivers alone.
Yes, Judith Miller , the Democrat..absolutely.
Stood by her guns and never gave in. Character; more liberals should consider it. It's a very good thing.
I don't agree with her on much but she got the WMDs as right as Congress and most of the world did..yup.
DUCKY. Mrs. Doherty's a liberal. Astonishing that her son's DEATH had to come between her and being the class act Glen's sister is. Here's the whole truth:
"On Tuesday, Romney spoke to supporters in Iowa, recalling a chance encounter with a former Navy SEAL while mistakenly attending a Christmas party in San Diego a few years ago.
“I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former Navy SEAL," Romney said. "I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former Navy SEALs killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart.”\
Romney never mentioned HIS NAME and Mrs. Doherty went liberally wild..typical.
Here's more:
"UPDATE: 9:58 p.m. -- Doherty's sister, Kate Quigley, told CNN Wednesday evening she doesn't share her mother's anger about Romney using her brother's story, saying Doherty "would be the first one to reach across party lines and defuse the situation."
"The fact of the matter is what Governor Mitt Romney said about my brother Glen is true, and he called him a hero and we're honored by that," Quigley said. "And we're honored by what Obama did for the homecoming. The fact of the matter is being an American hero can be completely bipartisan and everybody wants to point fingers and play the blame game -- let's blame the terrorists."
Good for her. Truth is important.
@Duck:
Great ...she's willing to make her son a political issue since it's clear she'd overlook his murder if it would save obama's political future. Besides...it's not very nice to diss obama in Boston in an election year I guess. Sounds like she had a problem with the former Governor instead. But who knows...maybe she has it all backwards and is satisfied with not knowing who's responsible.
Too bad.
patriot1212....That doesn't bug me too much; Mother's Day. Let her talk, right?
But the FACT that she never got her knickers in a twist over the rape rooms of Saddam in Iraq, or the something like 50 little boys who were recently beheaded kind of bugs me.
Why now?
Of course, this story is being allowed by the leftwingers to drown out Benghazi. Ever thought of that? Happens all the time. That is if they're not covering the Malaysian Air situation.
CI: I have to say that someone in the SErvice who knows these situations is far more believable than Ducky. Thanks for the input.
The REAL input.
Imp; Please read my comment above yours....wait till you read about his sister. And yes, his mom is a liberal. The ambassador's mother is, as well, and she's also dummied up because of that.
Amazing, isn't it. It's THEIR SON. (unless they DO have information we don't have and they're fine with it. That's something to consider. I wouldn't be surprised.."...but just keep this quiet no matter what." sounds like Hillary?
@Z:
Thanks for that addendum. Figures Ducky would do an NBC editing job for his own political views. And sorry...shame on Glenns mother to turn it into a political issue cause of her liberalness. It's true Z...they do eat their own.
I'm curious to know what she'll say when it does come out that Obama was completely responsible along with hillery for their inaction and incompetence. And his decision to go fundraising with the swells rather than stay in the situation room to oversee this as any other good CIC would.
We already know...he was absent.
It's great kabuki though.
Yep ... M R duhks.
Imp, you know, I'm not as uptight about Obama not being in the situation room the whole time.
I'm more uptight that they just won't come clean. Panetta apparently knows where he was; they spoke, others spoke to him. Where are they?
That's what the hearings will provide.
is it SO important the CIC is there 100% of the time? Well...maybe. I'm really torn on that subject.
I DO think it was awful to go to a fundraiser...the next day, right? After an Ambassador's been killed? Ya, that stank. No doubt about it.
I don't know.. maybe I'm wrong and he really should have been in there; I just don't think he KNOWS enough about any of these situations to lend much assistance.
I think of the punks at the WH now, then think of the last administrations of mature men in their fifties and sixties who didn't go to college at a time when they were taught to hate America. BIG difference.
Sam..the 'kabuki' mantra is getting old and transparent; anything the left doesn't like aired is 'kabuki' to Ducky. I guess that sooths his soul?
@Z:
"is it SO important the CIC is there 100% of the time? Well...maybe. I'm really torn on that subject."
To many of us it is key ... especially when a consulate / embassy ( sovereign US territory ) is under attack by terrorists. We do know he left his punk Tom Dude Vietor in his place. A former driver transformed into " National Security Council" spokes-dude.
"Though White House officials say they were operating on the best intelligence available,"
That doesn't seem to fly with libs when Iraq Ends are mentioned.
Z, I'll tell you what I think about that (post question). A lot of democrat politician underwear is getting the maximum scrunch effect lately.
Their best plan is to opt out, because having them there will only solidify the truthful findings, assuming this panel reaches them, but I'd say they're *ed either way.
I tend to agree with Z. I'm not terribly concerned with POTUS's location that night, as long as he was engaged like a good CinC should be.
These days, the Situation Room is actually archaic. Senior leaders can be networked with Action Officers from anywhere there is a secure LAN and SATCOM. This would be the reason [as I was told] that the current Situation Room is quite a bit smaller than it had been in past decades. There simply isn't the need to all set on one room under the White House.
That my take...I could be wrong.
Mr Jihad, Excellent to point out. Why do they care so much about the investigation. If they're confident, let the investigation take it's course and claim the high ground afterwards.
A lot like children pointing their fingers at someone else knowing they're guilty and subconsciously knowing Dad's going to get to the bottom of it anyway.
@CI:
Well he didn't miss using it last time as a great photo op.
It certainly would have gone a long way to make and strengthen his case that he was in charge and connected, no? But the facts are that he was absent and disengaged if he was at a fundraiser.
That's why we want to know what Panetta knows...where was he then. And why won't he answer that? If Panetat says he was on AF1 and he has the communication logs that nite...fine, Release them as proof.
Tom Vietor has already said he wasn't.
And I clearly remember that it was Candi Crowely that helped him hitch up his big boy pants during the initial debates to overcome his stumbling and stuttering on the question of terrorism. Which was highly unprofessional as well as totally biased.
I think wingnuts would be lost without their Benghazi binkies.
Stephen Colbert ridicules Fox News’s latest hilariously uninformed Benghazi conspiracy
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/08/stephen-colbert-ridicules-fox-newss-latest-hilariously-uninformed-benghazi-conspiracy/
Liberalmann; Oh, DARN!
Colbert doesn't see the importance of getting to the truth? I'm heartbroken and SHOCKED, I tell you! SHOCKED! :-)
what a fool.
Kid...it really is a DAD versus the WH Kids, isn't it.
That's why I said above that the WH used to be filled with adults. You're absolutely right.
Imp; Crowley was a mess that night....and even an honest leftist should have seen that.
Gee, so far, no good, huh?
@Kid:
Yea...Moochele would have been a "fairer" moderator in retrospect.
Imp - "Well he didn't miss using it last time as a great photo op."
True, but hardly unique to Obama.
"It certainly would have gone a long way to make and strengthen his case that he was in charge and connected, no? But the facts are that he was absent and disengaged if he was at a fundraiser."
This I agree with wholeheartedly.
Kristen Powers stretches all credulity suggesting that anyone in the White House is capable of telling the truth.
Z:and even an honest leftist should have seen that.
That's why no leftist has seen that.
Obama and his inner circle not only misled the American people, they were terribly misleading -- oh and by the way, it was during a crisis that cost four brave Americans their lives (Libya, not incidentally, has devolved into a jihadist hellhole in the two years since, Thanks Hillary...your "leadership and reset" are duly noted).
Just so we're clear, the issue here isn't competence, it's candor, and on that count Obama and company have failed miserably, even in the eyes of all the apologist extraordinaire.
Same circumstances with a Republican president, the libs wouldn't be calling for a reopened investigation -- they'd demand impeachment. They'd also not let a single hour of CBS,NBC,CNN pass without asking this -- gee, where was the president that night, just before winging his way to a vitally important Vegas fundraiser in the morning?
Imagine if Bush had rushed off to a fundraiser the day after an ambassador was murdered in this fashion?
Imagine if that email had only just shown up and they hadn't presented it when asked?
CBS/ABC/NBC all are in cahoots.
At least CNN is too busy pinging.
IMP, Yea, when you start comparing the ledger of media coverage of events between obama and any non-democrat white house, it is beyond words. Literally beyond words.
And it will go beyond words if it continues escalating. I wonder if the libtards are ready, or if they just have 911 on speed dial. What will they do when they get a busy signal?
Do you think the dems just got too comfortable with being able to float any lie they wanted, and now have gone a bridge too far? That's what I think.
Z, CNN Too
All of them really.
Imp and Kid; I think the WH got a little too used to the kid glove treatment, too. They've always been in WAAY over their heads and now it's showing.
Even leftwinger Howie Kurtz said, just tonight, that Obama doesn't give interviews to hard news media; he only gives it to late night shows, MTV types of shows, etc.
I also heard the NY Times is accusing him of hurting the relationship between the WH and the press. Yup, the NY Times.
I also distinctly remember hearing, shortly after the inauguration, that Obama's people had hired a coterie of media people to work IN the WH. News producers, etc. I can't find it anywhere; the information seems to have left as fast as I heard it, but I have always believed that. The talking points are too similar and way too good for just a WH to be running publicity.
They're a machine Z. Everything they do is scripted.
Everything the democrats do is scripted and everything the clintons do is scripted. + and - news, the whole ball of wax, approved by the machine.
Monica for example coming out just prior to a hildebeast election campaign. Please. They're trying to create the impression any objection to clinton is based on a 20 year old BJ...so as to minimize it all.
Pris, also, it's said that the press has met with some of those who apparently were in on the Benghazi attacks! Not the FBI, but media guys over there!??
I wonder if that's true. I've heard it more than once.
Imp; I know. I think it's very doubtful that Vanity Fair, which LOVES the Clintons, would publish ANYTHING without Hillary's consent AND this is to get the subject off the table NOW and not in 2016.
WHo gives a darn what MOnica Lewinsky has to say, anyway? And WHY NOW?! :-)
@Z:
"At least CNN is too busy pinging."
LMAO...think they might find the Titanic?
@Z:
"that Vanity Fair.."
Do ya think they'll give Jennifer Flowers or Kathy willis or Juanita Broderick equal space too?
I mean.."fair and balanced" right? Scuzz me...I have to barf.
I mean...how could she explain the behavior of a serial rapist, disbarred and impeached POS like Bubba Bill and still stay married. And knowing he was banging Flowers for 12 years too?
I so hope that she's so humiliated that we never see her face again until they do her Obit.
Wonder why Pelousy didn’t jump at the chance to appoint some heavy thinkers from her party like Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, Hank “Guam” Johnson, Charlie Rangel, Diane Feinstein, and Barbara Boxer...to the new Benghazi committee?
Imp....excellent point about Vanity Fair not running a story by Jennifer Flowers. EXCELLENT point. Why wouldn't they? Let HER speak, right? OH, no....might make their hero look bad.
I think the Titanic's been found (very funny!) but they might find the Lost City of Atlantis or something. Neptune's palace?
My GOSH, every time there's something really important in Congress and FOX is breaking in to cover it, I look to CNN to see if they are and, darned if they haven't found yet another expert in the field of missing planes! :-)
NYT calls obama the Greatest enemy of the press in a generation.
Holy Batman....Robin.
yes, Imp, that NY Times quote is quite something. And they're so right.
I'm turning in...good luck with the battery~! g'night!
- Where was the extraction plan to get our critical foreign service and national security personnel from Benghazi?
Libya was still undergoing the shooting aftermath of a civil war and had a very unstable regime. Terrorists roamed around freely. The UK and Red Cross had already bugged out of the place, and warned us they were being targeted for attacks and so was the US. The US installation there had already taken one attack earlier as things were getting set up.
With all of that, how can any Sec State or President send such a high level Ambassador into that sort of situation WITHOUT a plan to get him and other critical personnel out in an emergency or at least deploy SSM or air to ground assets to cover them if they are attacked?
That is not incompetence: there are too many experienced hands on board in both State and the military to NOT bring this up.
Were any plans drawn up?
If so WHY WERE THEY NOT USED?
Why was our Ambassador left hung out to dry?
Why were our national security agents at the CIA complex left out in the cold and stuck with their own resources during an attack and not given any direction to HELP SAVE THE AMBASSADOR?
Every damned operation in hostile territory, which Libya was and IS TO THIS DAY, has such plans in place when high level personnel are going there.
Why were these people left out for target practice on 9/11? Didn’t that day ring a bell with anyone?
The pattern of denial of protection is just that: a pattern that has, at its end, four good men assassinated in an act of war.
Why doesn’t the President address an act of war against our Nation?
He is CinC, that is his territory to tell us about such things and those looking to do ill to our Nation and people. That was his personally chosen, hand-picked Ambassador that was assassinated, thus representing him and the Nation at the same time. As Head of Government that man is also to receive adequate protection for the circumstances, and to come forward and honestly describe the events that took place in an act of war.
Head of State.
Head of Government.
CinC.
Which individuals refused to lift a hand to help our fellow citizens? Why weren’t they fired? Why are such imbeciles still in service? Why doesn’t the President hold his chain of command accountable for the ill-actions taken in his name?
If he does not name them, does not fire them and then tries to protect them, then this is HIS FAULT completely from top to bottom.
Lying to the American people about an act of war is a betrayal of his duties as CinC and Head of State. As Head of Government it is his duty to hold those who did not act accountable, thus he neglects his duties. He has protected our enemies more than his own people who TRUSTED HIM to protect them in service TO HIS FOREIGN POLICY.
It isn’t what happened.
It is why it happened, and that is tied up inextricably with what happened. Get one, you get the other.
From HA...
"The Benghazi debacle boils down to a single key factor — the granting or withholding of “cross-border authority.” This opinion is informed by my experience as a Navy SEAL officer who took a NavSpecWar Detachment to Beirut.
Once the alarm is sent – in this case, from the consulate in Benghazi — dozens of HQs are notified and are in the planning loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany. Without waiting for specific orders from Washington, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including moving personnel, ships, and aircraft forward toward the location of the crisis. However, there is one thing they can’t do without explicit orders from the president: cross an international border on a hostile mission.
That is the clear “red line” in this type of a crisis situation.
Just like they did in Pakistan two years ago...Remember? My take?
Because 4 "Nobodies" in Benghazi had the cache´or panache´ that OBL did. Therefore..it was purely politics and something he felt wasn't worth his time.
OBL was the big fish and the crown jewel in his tiara. And it allowed him to look "Presidential & badass" and be able to declare that Al Quedaa was done. But then they mocked GWB for his "Mission accomplished", didn't they?
This old "the Republicans only found the president to be black" the Republicans are racists" blah blah blah. It's player out lefties, its a lie and you know its a lie. your party is the party of lies, that's all you have. your party is the party of slavery and the KKK. Your party still wants to keep blacks on the plantation. You keep them dependent and beholden. This whole " the Republicans are just doing this because they are racists" is a smokescreen to cover up the most corrupt administration in history.
The fact that the Dems have circled the wagons around Obama and aided in the coverups should be a source of shame for that party. Pelosi wanted an even split on this committee? are you serious? When did that lunatic ever agree to an even split when she was Speaker?
I just WISH people here would realize we ARE all 'Working Americans' and nobody wants anybody hurt;
We'd have preferred to go slowly on the biggest change in American society (aCA) in YEARS...not jumped in before people knew what was in it.
I wish the folks I KNEW using the ACA were happy; they're miserable, driving miles to find a new doc or hospital.
This should have been thought through :-(
I think the Dems will pass and let their media cohorts spin it away as a Republican plot, nothing to see here folks. And they'll have weak minds like George to sing along in a chorus of lies to other pea brains who still think the emperor has clothes.
IMP "But then they mocked GWB for his "Mission accomplished", didn't they? "
It would be extremely hard to come up with something the media pounded Bush with, that obama hasn't done or been guilty of to the power of 10.
IMP, Yes, all the other non-muslum governments had removed their embassies and personnel.
Why not ours?
Incompetence.
Money to be made.
Running guns to syrian 'rebels' aka al queerda.
All of the above?
IMP, I read a story Friday in the news we're giving TOW missiles to 'the rebels' in Syria. Not 'the al queerda' rebels, but the 'anti-assad' rebels.
Geeeez, talk about zero respect for the intelligence of the population. They must be spending too much time polling libtard, duck,dave miller et al.
Tuukka rules !!!
Come the next Presidential election I hope people remember the Hell-ry ad about the middle of the night phone call, & who will answer it. Since O. was packing to jet off to Vegas, $$$$, where was the all-omniscient & omnipotent Sec. of State? 'What difference does it make?!?'
Sadly, it has come to pass that under this mis-administration there is not a nation in the wortld that either respects or fears the U.S. If we had had politicians like so many of these liberal & moral cowards during WWII we would all be pulling rickshaws & eating sauerkraut with chopsticks---that is, if we had anything to eat at all.
Silverlady
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