Wednesday, May 28, 2014

Charles KOCH....Educate yourselves to what he's about

Charles Koch: I'm Fighting to Restore a Free Society

I have devoted most of my life to understanding the principles that enable people to improve their lives. It is those principles—the principles of a free society—that have shaped my life, my family, our company and America itself.
Unfortunately, the fundamental concepts of dignity, respect, equality before the law and personal freedom are under attack by the nation's own government. That's why, if we want to restore a free society and create greater well-being and opportunity for all Americans, we have no choice but to fight for those principles. I have been doing so for more than 50 years, primarily through educational efforts. It was only in the past decade that I realized the need to also engage in the political process.

A truly free society is based on a vision of respect for people and what they value. In a truly free society, any business that disrespects its customers will fail, and deserves to do so. The same should be true of any government that disrespects its citizens. The central belief and fatal conceit of the current administration is that you are incapable of running your own life, but those in power are capable of running it for you. This is the essence of big government and collectivism.
More than 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson warned that this could happen. "The natural progress of things," Jefferson wrote, "is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." He knew that no government could possibly run citizens' lives for the better. The more government tries to control, the greater the disaster, as shown by the current health-care debacle. Collectivists (those who stand for government control of the means of production and how people live their lives) promise heaven but deliver hell. For them, the promised end justifies the means.

Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers.
Rather than try to understand my vision for a free society or accurately report the facts about Koch Industries, our critics would have you believe we're "un-American" and trying to "rig the system," that we're against "environmental protection" or eager to "end workplace safety standards." These falsehoods remind me of the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's observation, "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Here are some facts about my philosophy and our company:
Koch companies employ 60,000 Americans, who make many thousands of products that Americans want and need. According to government figures, our employees and the 143,000 additional American jobs they support generate nearly $11.7 billion in compensation and benefits. About one-third of our U.S.-based employees are union members.

Koch employees have earned well over 700 awards for environmental, health and safety excellence since 2009, many of them from the Environmental Protection Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration. EPA officials have commended us for our "commitment to a cleaner environment" and called us "a model for other companies."
Our refineries have consistently ranked among the best in the nation for low per-barrel emissions. In 2012, our Total Case Incident Rate (an important safety measure) was 67% better than a Bureau of Labor Statistics average for peer industries. Even so, we have never rested on our laurels. We believe there is always room for innovation and improvement.

Far from trying to rig the system, I have spent decades opposing cronyism and all political favors, including mandates, subsidies and protective tariffs—even when we benefit from them. I believe that cronyism is nothing more than welfare for the rich and powerful, and should be abolished.
Koch Industries was the only major producer in the ethanol industry to argue for the demise of the ethanol tax credit in 2011. That government handout (which cost taxpayers billions) needlessly drove up food and fuel prices as well as other costs for consumers—many of whom were poor or otherwise disadvantaged. Now the mandate needs to go, so that consumers and the marketplace are the ones who decide the future of ethanol.
Instead of fostering a system that enables people to help themselves, America is now saddled with a system that destroys value, raises costs, hinders innovation and relegates millions of citizens to a life of poverty, dependency and hopelessness. This is what happens when elected officials believe that people's lives are better run by politicians and regulators than by the people themselves. Those in power fail to see that more government means less liberty, and liberty is the essence of what it means to be American. Love of liberty is the American ideal.
If more businesses (and elected officials) were to embrace a vision of creating real value for people in a principled way, our nation would be far better off—not just today, but for generations to come. I'm dedicated to fighting for that vision. I'm convinced most Americans believe it's worth fighting for, too.  (end of piece)
 
Please, if we could only illuminate more truths about Conservatives, it might help?

Z

55 comments:

Ed Bonderenka said...

"if we could only illuminate more truths about Conservatives, it might help?"
People believe what they want to believe.
What they are disposed to believe.
If a liar, they think others are lying to them.
A thief thinks others are out to steal from them.
The Kochs are decried as lying to us and out to steal from us by people who would steal our liberty and lie to us about it.
This is why I believe we need a spiritual revival in this country.
It takes the Spirit of God to reveal to a man his "internal wrongness", whereupon he will then challenge his assumptions about the world around him and his relationship to it.
There may be some who do this without the spiritual component, or without accreditation to it.
But "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty" is a true statement.

Rational NationUSA said...

Glad to hear that Ben Carson is thinking about a Presidential Run
What a wonderful president, he'd make, beside being the FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT!

Mustang said...

When it comes to the issue of the Koch Brothers, the left appears to be emotionally unbalanced —but they don’t want to mention the tens of millions of dollars raised through members of the leftist elite that supported O-Commie-Care, including Chartwell, Gallo, Jewish Community Federation, Facebook, Amalgamated Transit, Association for Justice, American Chrystal Sugar, Boeing, various unions, Mortgage Bankers Association, SIEU, United Steel, and NextGen Climate Group (Steyer again). While screaming bloody murder about Citizens’ United, of course.

Duckys here said...

The other side of the story

Jus Askin said...

Why Ben Carson’s Mom Wasn’t a Lazy Moocher, But Everyone Else on Welfare Is .. Is it because he’s a ConSERVative?
Or is it because Conservatives like Ben Carson are against welfare, unless it's for them or their own families!

Lisa said...

Jus- where did you ever hear Ben Carson call someone a lazy moocher?
His message is not everyone on welfare is lazy,it's to encourage and inspire people to become more.
Welfare unfortunately, has become a way of life for many and causing the detoriation of the family unit.
It actually causes more poverty mainly for single mothers who no
longer need help from the father or fathers of their children and teaches young men they don't have any responsibilty either but to show up at begining of every month witb their hand out to the mothers
of their children.
Why lefties so against trying to change this pattern is beyond me.
I guess if they do they lose a huge voting block

Jus Askin said...

Lisa, answer me this!
How would a single mother, for example, who's working two low-paying part-time jobs that offer no health coverage, provide health insurance for her children? Worse, if she were to fall ill or have an accident, how would she pay for medical help? Is he really that callous that he thinks people like that hypothetical single mother do not deserve help from a government of a country where people love to brag about how great it is? How is a country great that allows poor and desperate people to fend for themselves when there is no way to fend?

So what's Dr. Carson's problem?

Why would he claim that helping people who are desperate is a bad thing for the government to do?

Jus Askin said...


Here's what your great Dr. Carson had to say about those mooching moochers who get help from the government:
“When you rob someone of their incentive to go out there and improve themselves, you are not doing them any favors. When you take somebody and pat them on the head and say, ‘There, there, you poor little thing. … Let me give you housing subsidies, let me give you free health care because you can’t do that.’ What would be much more empowering is to use our intellect and our resources to give those people a way up and out.”


(That last part is nonsensical, since the government does exactly what would be "much more empowering.") The assistance the government gives to people who are in dire circumstances and need help comes from "our resources" and gives "those people a way up and out." That's what the SNAP program does.

A US Marine said...

It's the same reason CommieCare is thousands of pages long - it's to hide the reality. It's deceit and deception: old communist tricks, the opposite of American values. This is why the democrats operate like that. They are deceitful SOB’s...

Lady Gunslinger said...

The left hates the fact that they cannot get dirt on this man. He was born poor; Dr Carson's Mom worked her butt off, both in and out of the house, to make sure that he was educated properly. She was involved in his life, in his education, in his future. And because of that, he grew up with values and morals; he worked hard and became and world renowned neurosurgeon. Hard work, values, morals...the left hates that.

Jim at Asylum Watch said...

The truth will only set people free if they accept the truth.

Lisa said...

Well if you want to go tit for tat we can compile many idiotic things Obama had said but there are too many to list

Lisa said...

That's all we are talking about LG. Good answer

Jonah said...

Barack Hussein Obama clearly has failed as the supposed exemplary leader of their ethnicity. Obama is a deceitful, arrogant charlatan, snake oil salesman whose greatest desire is to fundamentally change the United States of America into a Marxist nation.

Whereas, someone like Ben Carson represents what America is all about, opportunity to go from the ghetto to
greatness through hard work, determination and faith. Ben Carson should be the aspiration of African Americans, not Obama the Fraud. He appears to be a man of wisdom and faith and integrity. I think Carson would be a great candidate for political office, maybe vice-president or even president. He would take our country back from the snake pit that Obama has been leading us into.

His story is really a rags to riches tale, as his mother was instrumental in teaching him the values needed to succeed. He shared many of these struggles during his address last week. He was raised by a single mom who devoted herself to hard work in an effort to support her two children. Despite only having a third-grade education herself.

Now the real question is will the mainstream media ever give coverage to this remarkable mans story?

Z said...

Ed....I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I mentioned that the other day to a commenter who implied I was lying. It stuns me when people ask me that because I'm not a liar and so I figure they must be to assume I am; which really bothers me for them.

Mustang; thanks for that....'including' is right; there are many more.
By the way...Soros; I heard him in a CNN interview the other day accusing Russia of anti-Semitism, yes, Soros, who screwed his own Jewish people as a young boy and is vocally unrepentant about it. I was stunned.

Jus Askin...Are you racist? Why would you EVER think everyone on welfare is a moocher? How awful!
Oh my GOSH! I just read your quotes from Carson and see what you're not understanding.
Welfare is NOT A GIFT. Helping people is GOOD, putting them on the welfare rolls forever is a terrible disservice. Do you get that now? Thank God for a man like Carson speaking out, and thanks for reminding us of that quote. It's so important to get people JOBS, feel the great feeling of a DAY'S WORK, than giving hand outs.
That's not to say they might not need them for a while and we're all for that.

A US MARINE (thanks for your service)...and you're right.
Did you know the bill to allow the IRS, for example, to fire bad employees is 2 1/2 pgs long and Bernie Sanders had the GUTS to complain they hadn't had time to read it!? I swear, it's true! :-)

Lady Gunslinger; the story of a Black mom who worked hard and spent hours with her sons giving them good character, etc., somehow seems wrong to so many liberals; it's hard to grasp that, isn't it.

Lisa; Bingo! it's the voting block. They'd rather see pitiful dependent people than a strong America.

I'm hoping we can all zone in again on the Charles Koch article. It's important we start to stand strong against the lies about him and his brother.
Let's hope more and more articles like this come out.

Z said...

Something I feel everyone needs to remember, and leftists in particular, is that NOBODY IS PERFECT.

Geo. Washington is now said to have been a slave master, never mind the ASTONISHING things he did for this country and the FACT that his will stipulated that the slaves he had be released after being taught to read AND given land.
Sir Francis Drake "Swashbuckled and looted his way around the planet" as if nothing HE did was beneficial!
You get the picture.

We must encourage some Leftists to grow up and realize that NOBODY has nothing in their past that's not perfect BUT to remember and even try to emulate the great things many HAVE DONE despite their pasts.

Maya Angelou, someone I know a little personally about and I don't respect her AT ALL on some levels, has died today. She was a prostitute and brother Madame, but she went on to do great things, even encouraging black women with "I can do it, YOU can," which we Conservatives admire.
I'd never hold against her the things I know from someone who spent weeks with her on Oprah's birthday cruise. I just wouldn't even share them here!
But I don't allow that to color my whole experience of her.

With remembering nothing's perfect but we need to shoot for the best, perhaps we can get rid of some of the ridiculous political correctness and we can surely hope to rid ourselves of people who can disparage all the really good things the Koch Bros do and have done. It's important.

Z said...

Anonymous. We get that, but thanks for mentioning it again. I think we've addressed those comments well.

I will keep deleting you as long as you keep insisting to give a second of time here to 'that blog'. Sorry about that!

Impertinent said...

@Ducky:

Idiosyncrasies? So What...yawn.

Sam Huntington said...

Liberal douche cites Think Progress as his one authoritative source on almost everything, including how many times each year he’s supposed to change his underwear; Ducky cites a movie reviewer as his source of knowledge. No, it’s true ... you can’t make this stuff up. A movie reviewer; gosh, what might his take be on the Koch Brothers?

Here’s another example of leftist drivel: Senate Republicans attempted to stop taxpayer losses for bad loans that were guaranteed by federal housing agencies. Bob Corker (R-TN) proposed that the government require borrowers to make a down payment of 5% as part of the process to qualify for a loan. Corker lost, of course—his proposal was rejected 57-42 along party lines. Then Senator Chris Dodd explained it this way, “Passage of such a requirement would restrict home ownership to only those who can afford it.”

Leftism, as I noted in my post today, is a very serious mental disorder.

Z said...

OH, SAM! He didn't! REALLY? How the heck could anybody BE that oblivious to the obvious?
Yes, better to be able to AFFORD it, but, you see, I believe Dodd and his ilk believe that's not fair so the government should pay!

What do they think GOVERNMENT IS? (rhetorical question..)
unbelievable.

I also remember Daniel Mudd, eyes as wide as a deer's in the headlights, speaking to the Black Caucus (or something, it's on video) promising minorities will get homes.,...scared to say anything else.
And THOSE are the poor folks who LOST their homes because they could NOT afford them.
THEY are the people Conservatives care about....those who bought into the lie that they could have a home without what people have needed for generations before they could have a home...collateral or at least the monthly pymnts!

Duckys here said...

@z --- Something I feel everyone needs to remember, and leftists in particular, is that NOBODY IS PERFECT.

------
We didn't know that?

But the Koch's are basically okay. They contribute to charity just like Bernie Madoff.

Duckys here said...

I'll give the Kochs kudos for a sense of humor.

First spin off a company to do nothing but store chemicals in West Virginia in order to avoid any regulation.
Then spill and pollute a major portion of West Virginia's drinking water.
Have the company declare bankruptcy to avoid any clean up or lawsuit expenses.

Name it Freedom Industries.

These guys are a hoot.

Bob said...

Ducky: I would appreciate if in the future you would articulate your point, and not just leave it to some hyperlink to do it for you. Use links to support your point, not to make it for you. Otherwise, it is just poor style and bad manners.

Ordinarily, I would not have gone to your stand-alone link. I usually don't spend my time chasing links, especially if people cannot find a way to express their points.

Unfortunately, I went to your link and was rewarded with statements like this, speaking of the Tea Party.

"the 501(c)(4) hydra Charles and David founded in 2004—as the movement’s ATM."

This statement is not only unsupported, it is made-up to support someone's narrative. Where's the evidence referenced in the article?

This is typical of the BS articles in the press, especially in hit articles like the one to which you link. I only scanned it, but found no instance where there were complete facts, just more ad hominem screed.

You can probably find something in the article that is true but this one has everything from accusations of Nazism to Soviet style Communism.

Where is you intellect, Dicky? Are you so bitter at the world that you would believe anything about anybody?

Rational NationUSA said...

Late Breaking News!

Ben Carson refuses to declare political party — or rule out 2016 run
He wouldn’t declare a political party or admit to making any plans for a 2016 presidential run, but Dr. Ben Carson assured a wildly supportive audience at a National Press Club luncheon Wednesday that he has no plans to fade from the political scene. (Washington Times)

Goody, Goody, Goody

Bob said...

Sorry about the Freudian slip.

"Dicky" instead of "Ducky".

Duckys here said...

Bob, go research A.L.E.C. and let me know what you think they've accomplished for American democracy.

There's a lot out there about these guys but they write a puff piece about themselves and suddenly we have "the truth".

I gave you a direct example of how these scum operate in the West Virginia pollution story.
That's the Kochs.

Meanwhile, they write their own puff piece and use a few words like freedom that get you salivating like one of Pavlov's dogs and you NEVER, EVER do the hard work of trying to understand exactly what that means.

They draw a picture of some Norman Rockwell scene that never really existed and you salivate and ask people where their intellect is?

Keep on "only scanning".


Z said...

Ducky, you missed my point again.

A.L.E.C. Do you know what a think tank IS?

Bob's right; at this point, you can say all you'd like about the Koch Brothers because you're all ginned up about them from what you read in your leftwing materials.
We can give it right back about Soros, but who wants to play that game anymore?

By the way; why are leftwingers so crazed when you're just buying into the White House memes "slam Kochs! slam Kochs!" It goes nowhere, does nothing but damage Republicans. OHHHHH...there ya go!

You're WINNING!! Scandals are being obfuscated and belittled as if they're worthless and so anything we could have done to get to the bottom of them is, at best, delayed.

Truth will set you free, but Jim's right. You've got recognize the truth.
Not everything Conservative is bad. Think, people.


Z said...

fascinating about the so-called BREAKING NEWS on Carson because only conservative venues are even carrying it.
Welcome to the new America "If we the media don't LIKE the news, we don't print it"

Ya, he's not declaring a party and is following God's lead on his life for this one.

Goody, is right!!!

Just Sayin said...

Michelle Obama wants YOUR kids eat Crap as her own children eat Real food !

The prestigious Sidwell Friends School in Washington, D.C., where the Obamas send their children to school, serves school lunches designed by chefs. This week, for example, they might enjoy meatball subs, BBQ wings and ice cream, in addition to chicken curry, deviled egg salad and the “Chef’s Choice.” Other options on the exclusive menu include:

Parents needs to get involved in your children's schools...You'd be appalled what they are doing to them... I worked in a Grade school and they are FORCING food on your children (us food workers became food Nazi's...we had to make them go back and get a fruit or vegetable) if they wanted it or not, while they stand there crying and then all it did was end in the garbage

Michelle should worry about her own fat-behind before those of others.

A Man Called Steve said...

Gee, I'm glad you brought up the Koch Brothers!

Now I can teach you libs about who bought the government:


1. In 1995, George Soros appeared on PBS with Charlie Rose, and said this:
"I like to influence policy. I was not able to get to George Bush (Senior). But now I think I have succeeded with my influence...I do now have great access in the (Clinton) administration. There is no question about this. We actually work together as a team."
Articles: Hillary, Soros, Alinsky, and Rush


a. Senators Reid and Harkin are taking their cues from Media Matters, a Soros-funded front group. As Hillary Clinton declared at the recent YearlyKos convention (her confirming sound bite played by Rush Limbaugh on the radio), she was the mastermind behind both The Center for American Progress (her think tank) and Media Matters (her media attack machine). Hillary provides the name and political connections that Soros craves, and Soros provides the money.

Z said...

Just Sayin'....true.
I posted a year or so ago about the silliness of forcing broccoli, etc., on kids who have it....that our money'd go to waste, though I totally believe in everyone eating healthy food.

Well, it comes to light 2 months or so ago that trash cans at schools are being filled with broccoli, etc.
We're buying it, serving it, and they're tossing it out.
This is kind of a good metaphor for liberal silliness.

Please, nobody accuse us of not wanting kids to eat healthily (I'm SO tired of the truth being glossed over thru insults), but let's do it in better ways.

A Man Called Steve; thanks for that, and thanks for coming by (I clicked on your name...have you a blog I'm not finding?)
The problem with Soros is one mustn't mention him because the leftwingers act like he doesn't exist and they'll just start in on the Koch Brothers again :-) Happens every single time.

I heard Soros on Fareed's CNN show Sunday morning, talking about how anti semitic Russians were...this, the Jew who, to this day, doesn't regret having sold his own people out during WWII, turning them in, etc.

But, he's more CLEVER: The left is always more clever. He could write GLOWING pieces about himself and the Left will eat it up...but let the Kochs write their truth, and ALL HELL TO PAY! :-)

That's a very interesting quote; rather like Obama telling Russia how 'flexible' he could be after the election. Ya, Soros is apparently in deep with the Clintons, Left, etc. THEY LOVE HIM. And we are supposed to just forget what he's about and HATE THE KOCHS! :-)

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"having sold his own people out during WWII, turning them in, etc."..

He helped pack them into box cars and selected the weakest for travel to the kill camps.

But quackster is all bunched up about some river pollution ( that I understand they're cleaning up ) of a sub contractor's mistakes. I wonder if he knows how many other independent companies they've spawned over the years?

Madoff? I never heard or read about him donating $100,000,000 to build a hospital wing in NYC that the loons came out to protest?

But...some oil in a creek is more infamous than sending thousands of fellow Jews off to the crematories, right?

Duckys here said...

They should discuss their father's belief that the civil rights movement was Communist inspired.

In fact spinoffs from dad's John Birch society were big in the formation of white supremacism.

Dad saw Communists everywhere, unions, Picasso ... his thought is with us today in the Tea Party.

Z said...

Ducky, you been Googling your fingers off trying to find something like that?
Sorry you don't approve of those who are careful not to let Communists infiltrate America. Most of us strongly believe that's important.
What you might have never learned is that the Birchers started out like the Nazis did....not anti semitic, not racist; until the people realized what was happening to the groups and started leaving in droves.
I know for sure, from parents of a friend of mine, that that happened with the Birch Society.

Want to talk about the Democrats and the Civil Rights bill? Would love to.

Z said...

"After an early rise in membership and influence, efforts by people like conservative William F. Buckley, Jr. and National Review led the JBS to be identified as a fringe element of the conservative movement, mostly in fear of the radicalization of the American right."

I WISH the Left had people trying to stop its party from the mess it's creating today in our country, don't y'all?

Ya, I'm finally speaking up for groups which the left has so maligned with idiotic Alinsky-methods. The Birchers have a terrible reputation and I'm not sure there's a soul amongst us who belongs !!, but fighting communism is something I'm FOR.

Z said...

Picasso did join the French Communist party and stayed a member till the end of his life, by the way.

In Europe, it's not quite the same...their "'left" isn't AS Left as ours is, their "right" is not as RIGHT as ours in in France OR Germany, but ya...Pablo joined.

just a fact

Duckys here said...
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Bob said...

Ducky pontificates, "Bob, go research A.L.E.C. and let me know what you think they've accomplished for American democracy."

Just what does ALEC have to do with anything under discussion in this thread?

Also, what West Virginia pollution story? Do you mean the Freedom Industries chemical spill in the Elk River? Freedom Industries is not connected to Koch Industries except that Freedom is a CUSTOMER of products from a Koch owned company, Georgia Pacific.

Heck, you are probably a Georgia Pacific customer. If you use toilet paper, you probably are a customer of GP/Koch. They manufacture lots of paper products including Northern Tissue, Brawny paper towers, and countless other consumer products.

Of course, if you are of the liberal environmentalist sort, you don't use toilet paper anymore. Au naturel is the thing for those crank heads.

I really don't want to get into the game of defending the Koch brothers, but I don't see anything evidence of their culpability.

Why are you blaming the Elk River spill on Koch? Please give me some details to go on. So far, you are just throwing out a bunch of strawmen, made up ones at that.

Law and Order Teacher said...

Z,
My, my. Bring in the Kochs and look at the run you get. If there are certain things that causes lefties to blow their brain stem out their ass. The main one is the Kochs.

How dare people with money use their money to support issues they agree with? The Kochs really? Unions pour millions into elections. Including supporting issues and candidates I don't agree with using my stolen money.

I live in a union state that requires me to pay up even if I don't want to. I don't belong to the union as I'm an agency fee payer. When my union begins to support issues that are good for education and not extorting government money from politicians that they line their pockets with, I'll support them.

Why does the president of the NEA make over $400,000 a year? That would hire a lot of teachers or buy a lot of computers. It's a crime to rip off your members for their dues and use it this way. The union lost a court case that requires it to repay objecting members a portion of their dues as a result of using it for political payoffs. It's not much, but it's the principle.

Also, don't bother to lecture me about union history. I've been in a union since 1975 and as a matter of fact, I was a union president for five years. Unions in the 21st century have stopped working for union members and have done nothing but use their power to extort money from their members and the citizens, along with the help of their bought and paid for political accomplices and spend it to support people and causes that the vast majority of its members don't support.

Of course this is ok because they support lefties.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Well said Bob, both comments.

Ed Bonderenka said...

I'll say it again, "The Kochs are decried as lying to us and out to steal from us by people who would steal our liberty and lie to us about it."

Duckys here said...

Can't understand why the blog administrator deleted a reference to a pretty even handed discussion of the Koch family biography.

Rational Nation USA said...

BTW, the Rational Nation posting comments is an imposter. A real POS.

Z said...

Ducky, the blog administrator doesn't have time to actually look into each of your links. and I'm quite positive there isn't anything even handed about it. Why start NOW?

Ed, Bob, and Law and Order..I read your comments, I laughed, I'd applaud if I had an audience. BRAVO.
Wondering why nobody responds to Bob's challenge about Elk River? Seems like when we challenge, the grumblers limp away. Come ON, you make accusations! You have every RIGHT; now PROVE THEM, OKAY?

Ed; EXCELLENT quote.

L&O; well, what can I say?

Let me just say AGAIN...
Ed, Bob, L&O, Kid, Mustang, Imp, ....and so many more : YOU ROCK. Thank you for bringing sanity here again.

xx

Duckys here said...

Well for the record, z.

There was NO link. I only mentioned a podcast which had a very interesting interview with the author of a biography on the Koch family.

Comes down hard on the father but is very middle of the road on the children.

Fair and balanced.

Z said...

Ducky, I'm glad to hear that.
Anything that's there to click on is a link, by the way...it leads us to information, right?

I am very tired of the constant push/pull here. I wish we all could try to be more balanced and more "America first"....that's all that counts.

Kid said...

Someone link to a news article about people being Denied Healthcare because they were poor for 1000 Alex !

Exclude the stories where someone sat in an ER until they died because they lived in some hellhole like Detroit. Tia.

There is a common theme with POS fascist libtards. They scream that conservative programs aren't Perfect! while ignoring that libtard programs don't just have less than zero value, they actually make things worse.

This is SOP for Incompetents right? People who have actually experienced a paying job know this right?

Mustang said...

Oh Kid ... I fear you have ruined any chance you might have had of being invited to Ducky's third birthday party.

Impertinent said...

@Mustang...


Bwahhhhhhhhhhhh......

Kid said...

Mustang "Oh Kid ... I fear you have ruined any chance you might have had of being invited to Ducky's third birthday party."

I've been there for the last 40. Boring.

Z said...

Kid, did you see above where I said NOBODY IS PERFECT? or have you had that on your mind about liberals, too?
WOW!

Great comment.

Mustang, you're hilarious..as always!

Impertinent said...

@Z:


Of course he's not Puuuuuurrrrr-fect....he's a cat lover...LOL But..still a good guy despite his fondness for felines.

Z said...

it just blew my mind that Kid said the left screams that conservatives aren't perfect.
I believe that's so true.

Liking cats is verification of GOOD :-)

Kid said...

Thanks Z. To your question. Yes and Yes

Kid said...

Z, Meow Baby...