Wednesday, May 21, 2014

Ben Carson. We need a million like him


Amazing.  SMART, sensible, caring, patriotic.  Concerned.
And, by the way, who IS that other Black guy who I admire so much from what he asked?
(Don't sell yourself short; the interview's not long and it gets better and better).
Would you vote for him, you "racist conservatives?" (smile)  I WOULD.

(imagine the White House calling to tell the organizers of the National Prayer Breakfast where Carson spoke in front of Obama that they feel Obama deserves an apology from Carson and Obama is waiting for his call for Carson's having said he didn't like the ACA?   um.  Carson said he found Obama cordial and he did not call the White House and apologize for ANYTHING, bless him)

Z

196 comments:

Rita said...

I'm surprised they gave him airtime without shouting him down.

He's actually my first choice for President. I know, I know people will scream about him not having any political background. To me that's a plus. People really are sick of career politicians. I'm talking about those that hate politics, the masses. At least in my world, the majority of people don't want to talk politics, they don't believe it affects their daily lives.

The reason Obamacare is unpopular is not because the failure of the rollout, it's because it actually did affect their lives and not in a good way. (Libs. Please spare us all the pre-existing crap).

I loved how he corrected what's-her-face about his "conservative" speech at the Prayer Breakfast. It was pretty clear she was trying to paint him with what she considered a negative brush. Did she honestly think she could outsmart this man who grew from poverty into one of the top neurosurgeons in the country?

Most people do not actually want some low level governmental bureaucrat as a middle man between them and their them and their health care provider. That's why I think his background and ideas will appeal to a lot of people.

I know he's talked a bit about running, but this is the first time I've heard him say unless someone comes along that he believes can ignite the country (or however he put it) that he WOULD run.

I have no doubt I won't agree with him in every issue, but I do know I agree with him of everything I've heard so far.

And I know he will get the attention of all those I know that hate politics. And I'd place a heavy bet he would also get a lot of votes from those who thought Obama was a saviour and found out he was just another lying politician.

I suspect the political operatives are combing through every inch of this man's life right now. I'm praying they don't find some stupid mistake that they will blow out of proportion which will doom him.

And I think he's smart enough to know they will come after him.

It's a yes vote from me. I'm sick of politicians too.

Rita said...

The other guy's name is Terry Crews. Apparently he's an actor. Never seen him before. If you watch his body language, he is hanging on every word Carson uttered.

Rita said...

From Wiki

Crews was born in Flint, Michigan, the son of Patricia and Terry Crews, Sr.[3] He grew up in a strict Christian household, where he was raised mainly by his mother.[4] After earning his high school diploma from Flint Southwestern Academy, he received a Chrysler-sponsored art scholarship at the prestigious Interlochen Center for the Arts in Michigan. This achievement was soon followed by an Art Excellence scholarship and a full-ride athletic scholarship for football at Western Michigan University. As a defensive end for the WMU Broncos, Crews earned All-Conference honors and helped his team win the Mid-American Conference Championship in 1988.

Rita said...

And I can't believe the ditz next to him asked him his opinion on what Sterling said.

WHO CARES? They were interviewing a neurosurgeon who is considering running for President, why is Sterling even important enough to be discussed on that venue.

Always On Watch said...

I am concerned about Dr. Carson's lack of political experience.

But I would like to see him as the head of the HHS.

DaBlade said...

I immediately recognized Terry Crews from my hometown of Flint, MI, but my first choice is still that other Cruz guy. I do like Dr Carson. He is extremely smart and understands America was founded in liberty.

Impertinent said...

Me...I like the guy too. I like West better cause of his past military experience and discipline.

However...regardless of their across the board appeal...I don't think the country is ready for either one after the damage that Ovomits done to race relations in this country.

Unless both are ready to say that criticizing or disagreeing with them isn't going to earn the rest of the country a "racist" tag again...I'll stay away. And Jeb is toast too. He was my Governor and he's a friend too...but I can't see him or another member of the current dynasties in a WH again.

And we all know that they don't stand a chance. I'd love to see a Condi / West or Carson coalition.

But the professional race hustlers, POS like sharpless or jerkson...will never allow it. No leaving the plantation for these low lifes.

Rita said...

I disagree Imp. I know people who voted for Obama a second time even though they thought he did a terrible job and several of them are people that I know would be afraid to invite a black man into their home, who see nothing wrong with the n word.

Yes, race relations has become more decisive than anytime I can remember, but when Carson speaks, his intelligence will win out over his skin color for those that are divided.

People who hate politics don't care about being labeled by race baiters. The only ones that will be worrying about his skin color are those on the left.

And look, Carson actually WOULD be the first black President.

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Rita said...

" Over the last sixty years or so, I see more and more of these loonies coming out of the woodwork. "

Yeah, like those loonies that were against the KKK and voted for Civil Rights. Crazy right wingers won out that vote over the Democrats objection.

Stephanie Gordon said...

Anonymous sounds like an escapee for the Lunatic Asylum, or from a Progressive Blog.
One in the same.

Duckys here said...

Did you take a look at the various primaries yesterday?

Nothing but Tea Party defeats.

Bring on Ben. Please.

Duckys here said...

The only chance Carson has for political office would require he move to Texas.

Impertinent said...

@Duck:


Yea Duck...we know he's Uncle Ben to you...and Condi is Aunt Jemimah, right?

Nothing worse than Northern racists...Boston has plenty of them...all those Irish that hate those "ngga" kids riding those buses with their shanty boozing bucks, right?

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"Yes, race relations has become more decisive than anytime I can remember.."

Decisively ... divisive...I concur.

Duckys here said...

Fact remains that these Teabags are meat, Imp.

What I'm looking forward to is another primary where we have the flavor of the month and Ben gets his time in the sun followed by Cruz, Ryan et.al. and Jeb finally gets the chance to lose to Hillary who gets on her knees to Robert Rubin again and keeps the oligarchs in power.

But talk about running a religiously deranged freak as the answer to out problems.

Put a fork in us.

Lisa said...

I think Ben Carson is a breath of fresh air after the last 6 years of the finger pointing figurehead .
I think the left is threatened by him due to his can do attitude and his ability to inspire starting with his own story. We can trace him back to his early childhood and his experiences. Compare that to the Indonesian Muslim schooled child to the Frank Marshall Davis Communist mentor to the Saul A9linsky admirer,Bill Ayers and Rashid Khalidi cohort right up to the America Hating Church and his finally proud wife

Lisa said...

Oh and Whoopie really believes most baby mamas don't want to be on welfare? Many think they are owed,thanks to as Ben Carson said, how liberals coddle them saying "Oh poor you"

Rita said...

Imp. Yep. Thanks for the correction.

Duck: do you ever realize how absolutely predictable you are? Carson isn't part of the Tea Party. People involved with the Tea Party like him because he is delivering the message (better) that they embrace.

Rita said...

"But talk about running a religiously deranged freak as the answer to out problems."

He was a top pediatric neurosurgeon for God's said. If you want to see someone seriously deranged, go look in the mirror.

Don't look now, but your idiocy is showing. Again.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

" Thanks for the correction. "


Judging by the time stamps kid....you just needed another cup...LOL

Rita said...

Stupid coughing woke me up around 3. Allergies suck.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

My wife coughs lot's too....she doesn't smoke.

I do a little bit yet ( mostly E Cigs now ) and I don't cough.

I told her to take up smoking...

Impertinent said...

@Duck:

"a religiously deranged freak "...

I asked you yesterday when you made that "soul" remark to kid if you were an atheist....thanks for the confirmation.

Not that I care if you are...there are a few people in your camp...1% ers maybe.

But what turns people off to people like you is....no one here condemns your atheism....yet believers are "freaks"?

You're supposed to be intelligent?

BTW...I have an uncle who's a Jesuit...he questions his faith more than anyone I know as a priest....then again...he's an intellectual, serving & hired to do just that.

Rita said...

Never smoked either. My lungs just don't like any kind of trees and now I've gotten immune to almost all decongestants.

Stephanie Gordon said...


Anonymous, and Ducky...Maybe it´s time to put down the crack pipe.

An Escapee from the Progressive Lunatic Asylum said...

Ben Carson the Idiot Savant may be a talented surgeon, but he's also a political crackpot:
It seems that White conservatives will never learn that by trotting people like Allen West, Herman Cain, or Dr. Ben Carson out before the public, they’re doing themselves a disservice in the Black community
"Dr. Ben Carson's shoot from the lip, crackpot quips, digs, and insults at women, blacks, Democrats, and especially President Obama are fast becoming the stuff of legend. This time he almost outdid his past inane cracks with the zinger that the Affordable Care Act is the worst thing since slavery. Carson has parlayed his zany potshots into a plum spot as a Fox News Network commentator. This is the sorry case of a man who at one time had the respect of many for his moving, inspiring story of overcoming hardships to become a highly respected medical professional and who now has prostituted himself to grab a quick headline from a soundbite-driven, titillation media that hungrily eats up anything that someone like a Carson dishes out.
Ben Carson recently said that Obamacare was the worst thing since slavery. Is he serious?
But it's also the case of a man such as Carson and his ilk that serve a calculating purpose. They get attention for the GOP. While they are zany, they also touch a deep, dark, and throbbing pulse among legions of ultra-conservatives who think that Obama and many Democrats are communists, gays are immoral, and that the health care reform law is exactly what Carson likened it to "slavery," meaning the tyrannical intrusion by big government into their lives. Carson actually went even further than the slavery dig and likened the health care law to the old communist dictatorship in the Soviet Union run by Lenin."

Take away Carson's medical career and all you have left is another Alan West

Z said...

Rita, TERRY CREWS ROCKS.
He was very happy to hear Carson talk about jobs and how the ACA isn't working, isn't.
I'm hoping we hear more from Terry Crews.
AND CARSON

AOW; today, I don't believe they need political experience; if you mean while running, his people he collects will help, if you mean while president, he's smart and will get good people.

Heck, one can have no political experience and screw a major great country up like Obama has or have zero experience and succeed...why not!?

DaBlade, I saw Marco Rubio yesterday on some subject I've forgotten and was so impressed again; I think he's as articulate as they come and I'm eager to see where he does...he's had fits and stops, but ...let's see.
Young people will like him; that's important.

Imp; I admire West but he doesn't have the personality; and, sadly, in America today, they need likability; the left's done too good a job demeaning West, even here at Geeez in this microcosm; I don't think he'd win.

I have to admit giggling last night at all the CNN pundits like Van Jones, Blizter, etc "The Republicans are DEAD because the Tea party candidates are going to win..." :-)

I think the primary wins yesterday showed that Conservatives want anybody who can DEFINITELY WIN and that the Tea party folks WILL start to share some of their independence and good thinking with the Republicans to create a force.
Democrats NEVER eat their young; it's ONE FACE TO THE PUBLIC. Sadly, that face has lately been; LIAR, WRECKER, NAME CALLER, OBFUSCATOR.
That's not going to go far against united Conservatives.

Ducky, "UNCLE BEN?" WHY are you so racist and anti-Semitic? What happened to cause that? that's embarrassing.

Lisa; I really felt badly for Whoopi with that ridiculous remark. I WISH she was right but I nearly laughed out loud. We have heard TOO MANY STORIES of minorities sitting on their butts with welfare, food stamps, Obama phones, ...you name it. Having babies FOR that stuff.
Ya, right, Whoopi; they'd much rather be WORKING HARD (are you kidding me??)

Rita..who's the 'religiously deranged freak"

Stephanie....no big deal. They have nothing better to do, I guess.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Carson has seemed to me like a pretty solid guy, and smart to boot. But I know next to nothing about what he would run on, if seeking office.

Rita said...

Z. That's what Ducky called Carson.

Z said...

Escapee...if they're 'crackpot', could you link some?
I'd love to see Carson versus WOMAN.
Ten minutes, and then you're deleted; we wouldn't want anybody like you to feel too embarrassed for what he wrote.
Thanks.

Oh, by the way, Daily Kos said Carson LIED when he said "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state." He accredited Lenin and they say he's either a liar or not a good fact checker.
Here's the deal, it took me 3 seconds to find Lenin DID say it.
And you call Carson wrong? :-) tsk tsk tsk

See if y'all get your facts straight, like FOX usually does, you might vote right, too...information is strength.

By the way, CNN is lagging behind MSNBC and waaaay behind FOX.
sad. But predictable.

Z said...

Rita...yes, that's why I said he's racist. UNCLE BEN?
Why not call him AUNT JEMIMA?

CI, do some reading and youtube some of his talks; very good stuff.

By this time, I think anybody with the very apparent love of his country, patriotism and good character will trump anybody with tons written about their platform.

My aunt and uncle have spent some time with Carson and can't say enough about his intelligence and caring about this country.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - I'll try and catch some YT stuff, but I doubt I'll be able to devote a whole lot of time to him, unless he annouces political ambititions. I'm a bit on the opposite overall....I'm much more concerned with stands on specific policy items than merely professing patriotism.

But he seems like a good guy.

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"I don't think he'd win."

Me neither...but He'd make an effective sec of def or sec of state...

At least he won't kill the aaaarabs with laughter....like the current gigolo horse-face ( ass too ).

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

" That's what Ducky called Carson."

Actually I was the one who used that when I insinuated that's what Ducky thinks he is.

Impertinent said...

@CI:

" some YT stuff.."

You know there's another meaning for that, don't you..LOL

An Escapee said...

http://progressiveerupts.blogspot.com/2014/05/marriage-equality-unstoppable.html?m=1#comment-form

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Imp - It's early morning here, and I'm working through the first coffee.....so hook me up...whereas I meant YouTube, what other sordid meaning does it have?

Sam Huntington said...

I think Dr. Carson is a good man, a decent man, highly intelligent, and well-spoken. I do not think he has the necessary bona fides to serve successfully as President. Moreover, I think serving as president would diminish him as a human being.

Neither do I think that he would garner the votes of most blacks living in America today. He is not like most blacks, in point of fact—has very little in common with the average person. Most blacks who are dyed in the wool adherents of something for nothing Democratic politics, who are the worst form of racists imaginable on the entire planet, would seek to skewer Dr. Carson.

As a case in point, Ducky ... who although is white, is a rabid racist, evidenced by his earlier comment here today. Moreover, his remark is consistent with everything I know about the slug. I am not a medical doctor, but I suspect that Ducky is rotting away from the inside. It’s only a matter of time ...

Rita said...

Nope Imp. Ducky said it first. You used the Uncle think first and Z thought Ducky said it.

Liberalmann said...

House slave Carson needs to learn his place. He barely cuts it as a field Mandingo. LOL!

Impertinent said...

@CI:

"what other sordid meaning does it have?"

Well CI it's hardly sordid...it's an abbreviation for...whitey! Say YT slow a couple times.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Clever!

Impertinent said...

@CI:

Yea..it has the same connotation as "5 O" or 420...street slang.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Apparently I'm not 'down'...yo.

Bob said...

Ben Carson. Impressive. Good role model for not only black kids, but anybody else. Not sure he has what it takes to be President of The United States. Obama's election showed that it takes a LOT more than just some neat words, or ideals to be President.

Carson, however, did have a successful career, something Obama never did.

Bob said...

Ducky implies that the Tea Party has not been successful. I anybody thinks that, just listen to how the political calculus, conversation, and message of the Republican Party. It is more Tea Party like every day.

Z said...

Ci, I'm sorry you misread my comment. You actually think I think more about patriotism THAN the agenda?

What I said was "I think anybody with the very apparent love of his country, patriotism and good character will trump anybody with tons written about their platform." and I stand by it. Not to the ignoring of a platform, but we heard all about platform with Obama and, because I do not believe he has good character or love for America, we're in a mess bigger than we might have been. That's all.


BOB: That's very nearly exactly what I said above. The left was blowing its minds at CNN about "the tea party's taken over, Republicans are being overtaken" (said with glee)...until the primaries came in last night and, lo and behold, the Tea Party candidates did NOT take the primaries :-)....My thought was that the GOP is going to be moving better in the TP direction and that's much healthier for our party AND our country; people who want smaller gov't, who want folks to READ bills before passing, who want to stand by the constitution. All good.
We don't need TEA PARTY candidates, we need TRUE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATES and the Tea Party's forcing that on the GOP, thank GOD.

Dr Carson may not be the perfect candidate. When you find one, let us know, folks.
He's a mature adult with astonishing success; he loves America, is a man of strong faith and isn't afraid to show it, ..wait, maybe he's just too good for the presidency. darn

Z said...

"socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state."

One of our commenters here today suggested Carson lied on FOX with the quote above, crediting it to Lenin.

Huff Post says : "Ben Carson is now on Fox News, reporting and letting us decide, with his fair and balanced views. In his premier appearance as a Fox commentator, he attacked the ACA, and playing the race card, conservative style, called it the worse thing to happen to America since slavery. As a bonus, he used a bogus quote from Lenin, first invented for an AMA anti-government pamphlet in the 40s, "socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state."

Carson is pathetic. He's entitled to his world view as much as anybody. But it's hard to believe somebody as intelligent as he would go on television with a bogus quote, but that's exactly what he has done. He is either a lying scoundrel or an incredibly careless researcher."

Ya, except Lenin DID SAY it, so Huff ...um...LIED. Don't they CHECK? I remember Rachel Maddow screeching about FOX not checking their information on some topic she was deranged about. I wonder if she'd mention this one? (nope)

Z said...

Need to apologize to Ducky (as if one error isn't outweighed by his thousands of insults!?, but I have to)..I did think Ducky called Carson UNCLE BEN and Imp did ... but only to suggest what Ducky'd say

Rita said...

There is no way I could equate Obama's lack of experience with Carson's lack of political experience.

I think many would be impressed with his medical background given this disaster we have now. Pretty sure at this point a lot if people would consider it a plus NOT having political experience.

Obama has been well entrenched in political shenanigans even before he was a state senator. His policies got us here, not his lack of experience. He has no leadership abilities. Not so with Carson.

Impertinent said...

@CI:

Word up...no same?

Z said...

"Pretty sure at this point a lot if people would consider it a plus NOT having political experience."

Rita...I couldn't agree with you more.
At least BE THERE. Be PRESENT in getting informed when ambassadors are killed. Be PRESENT when people are saying your admin is lying; be HONEST about the IRS, do NOT put them on one party...be at least able to recognize what is un-American and what is not.

Obama didn't have a chance!
Difficult childhood, confusion on race, religion and what good character is.......then attends liberal colleges and gets things paid for be people we aren't even aware of yet, does drugs, feels conflicted, at BEST, about his white blood. Thinks most Americans are racist and hires tons of muslims for the white house after 9/11? Expensive hip hop parties at the White house. Completely tone deaf in every way.
THAT's an American LEADER?

cube said...

Gosh, where is cloning when you need it?

Rita said...

A good leader surrounds himself with smart people who have experience they do not. They should be smart enough to be able to gather the information and make an informed decision.

And I have to really admire that the administration wanted him to apologize to Obama and he said no. Imagine that resolve with world leaders.

Z said...

Rita, that was fantastic..."no"..I did NOT apologize. GOOD FOR HIM.

And yes, why don't more people realize that it's the caliber of the people around a president which is so important? Obama has very little but Harvard buddies in high positions..even national security advisors! (with WHAT experience!???) and they're all like minded....and we expect these people to run our country???

Rita said...

And I honestly think Carson can win in the general election. And then there's the added benefit of shutting up the race baiters.

No "right winger" I know could care one whit about a candidate's skin color is. It's the policy and ability.

Rita said...

Well George, you've convinced us all you're right and we're wrong. Happy now?

Your community organizer was respected by the corrupt Chicago politicians and radical professors. Great resume.

Stephanie Gordon said...

Ben Carson would be the first intelligent black president.

Rita said...

You mean the same extremists views on gay marriage that Obama had a couple years ago before he "evolved"?

Rita said...

And who wants to place a bet that Georgie Porgie screams that everyone should be tolerant of the Islamic faith. The same faith that wants to stone gays.

Z said...

George, please let us know why you think Carson's 'certifiable crazy'.
Looking forward to it.

And no, we don't hate Obama. We don't admire him and we hate what he's doing to America. Some of us kind of have a crush on the Constitution, you know?
Go figure?! :-)

Z said...

"Marriage is between a man and a woman. No group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are. They don't get to change the definition. So, it's not something against gays. It's against anybody who wants to come along and change the fundamental definitions of pillars of society. It has significant ramifications."

Ben Carson said that and liberals thought he was saying gays were practicing bestiality!! I swear!
See George's comment above? That has to be his problem because Carson's not mentioned much otherwise about gays.

If leftwingers could read/digest a little better, maybe they'd stop attacking for no reason?
Seems to me like Ben was naming different groups and trying to make a point, but....what're you going to do?

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Well, there's at least one point where disagree with Carson, but I'm not surprised that his statement was twisted.

Leticia said...

I can't even begin to articulate how impressed I am with Dr. Carson. He's right on target and I loved, LOVED where he said, "No." He did not call Obama. Nice!

If he ever chose to run for president, he has my vote hands down.

God bless this man!

Nutz said...

If Dr. Ben Carson was a liberal, the support and praise and love of him from liberals would be just as loud and unquestioning and blind as it is for Obama, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Kermit Gosnell.

If Sarah Palin was a black woman with liberal leanings (pardon the redundancy) and an abortion, rather than a child born, she would be hailed by the Left as a heroine, especially if she herself had aborted her child and her daughter had aborted hers.

If Herman Cain was a liberal and CEO of a fried chicken and water melon company, he would be a liberal hero, too

Rita said...

Then tell us Georgie Porgie why you are here? Please. You see I don't visit blogs I don't find valuable. Ones where people can exchange ideas in a civil manner instead of being insulted by trollers.

No one forced you here, did they? I mean after all you are so much smarter than everyone else, why do you waste your previous time here. Surely your time is better served saving the world from people like us.

Unknown said...

No, z , Ben is very confused.

He doesn't understand the difference between a civil and religious institution.
He doesn't understand that marriage is a CIVIL contract. It is governed by CIVIL laws not the O.T.

Liberalmann said...

Ben Carson is Still Saying Stupid Things.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5516627478339613810&postID=7442129689618311604

Rita said...

Did Dr. Carson use the term Civil Union? He was speaking of marriage. There are many of us that believe gays should be allowed to be in civil unions that provide every benefit marriage does. I'm fairly certain marriage was based on a religious principal,not a civil one.

Duckys here said...

Yeah, Rita, that's why you go to the county clerk's office to get a marriage license.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

The point is not invalid, that marriage as defined by our laws, is inherently civil...as opposed to religious.

There are undeniably religious components that may voluntarily inject into this contract, but they're not codified in law.

Rita said...

Really Ducky? I didn't realize they had county court houses back in ancient times. You really are too stupid to comprehend anything. No wonder you're in love with O.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

The practice of marriage predates the Abrahamic religions.

Impertinent said...

@CI:

"The practice of marriage predates the Abrahamic religions."

So where did the gays go around that time? They just wait around until they were Greeks? That's what Sharpton said.

Duckys here said...

Same sex unions were present in many cultures, Imp.

Egyptian, Chinese, Native American and more.

It's the Abrahamic tradition that is limiting and out of step.

Kid said...

Rita, I agree. Ronald Reagan was Not a politician and was the best president we've have in 100 years at least.

We don't need a lawyer, only advisers. That's why they're there.
We don't need or want a politician.
We need only an American who understands the principles of Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness.

Someone smart enough to keep themselves alive from the zombie outbreak sure to occur would be a plus.

Kid said...

Rita, Sterling? It's because they gain much by keeping the zombie hordes attention on the kindergarten playground issues of he said, she said, sports, etc as that keeps their little minds as far away from questioning or wondering what the federal government is/has been doing to them, as possible.

Z said...

No, 'unknown,' Ben isn't 'confused'...he has a different opinion than you hold.

he's talking about the word MARRIAGE, which, for thousands of years has meant, without a doubt, a religious contract between a man and a woman.
CIVIL unions are something else.

It's semantics. We are MARRIED in a church; we get a MARRIAGE license that is civil because our laws govern some parts of marriage. that's all.

He isn't even suggesting gays shouldn't have a civil union.

This isn't a concept that's new. MANY people believe the term marriage is reserved for what it's stood for for thousands of years.. Carson isn't the first.

People want to have "SAME SEX UNIONS?" Go for it. Who cares?

Rita said...

I wish Dr. Carson had shut her down at that point. Something to the effect of, "what Sterling believes or doesn't believe doesn't affect my life".

Z said...

Kid, that was my point about Carson; it's enough to actually show he loves this country, he doesn't lie, he's smart, he has a strong faith in America.
The rest is what Cabinets are for, what specialists as Secretaries of Defense, etc, are for.
I think this is why we're failing on the foreign front politically....we have 40 year old punks with what experience (?) from Harvard as National Security advisors? REALLY?
We have a soap opera producer as an Ambassador? REALLY?

When you don't surround yourself with strong, experienced people, we all suffer. I wish Obama'd been mature enough to understand that.

Now he's protecting Shinseki, who I supported until I realized how long Shinseki (and Obama) have known about the VA problems ...
which have been there a very long time, I am not suggesting they're all Obama's fault (to my liberals who can save themselves the typing now).

Z said...

What struck me, now that I just watched it again, was how Whoopie tried so hard to get him to be quiet at the end, saying they were past the commercial time and "you have 20 seconds," etc etc....he finished and she tells America, for another bit of time suddenly, that welfare moms like she'd been really WANT to work.

Anything to protect those women from realizing that NOT WORKING and ENJOYING IT (let's not kid ourselves, there are those who enjoy it, we've all heard them) from realizing how screwed up they are and what they're doing to their kids.

Rita said...

And I believe that Carson could manage negotiating and persuading the other side of the aisle.

I am positive I might not agree with all his political platform, but it know enough to really like what I see.

His story is amazing. He didn't come from proverty into being a top neurosurgeon by a stroke of luck. He, of anyone knows how to escape poverty.

And I don't think Whoopie realized she was making the same case Carson was for welfare. She didn't make it a way of life. That was his point. It's supposed to be a hand up not a hand out.

FairWitness said...

I like Dr. Carson, but his reluctance to run for President makes him a bad candidate if he's persuaded by others to enter the race. I hope the candidate he describes reveals himself soon.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

"People want to have "SAME SEX UNIONS?" Go for it. Who cares?"

Good point, and good segue into the idea that the State should divest itself of the business of marriage.

The win-win situation, as the State will obviously not divest itself of s revenue stream..ever....is to enable civil unions in every state [since it creates no burden and inflicts no harm upon those who oppose it]; bring civil union protections and privileges in line with 'marriage' [because all states do not currently do so], and change the licensing from 'marriage' to civil union. Then those who desire so can have their civil union blessed by the clergy of their choice.

The only prevailing problem will be that there is no handy vernacular akin to 'married', so the term will still be employed conversationally for generations to come, to but legally, marriage will refer to the religious ceremony.

I would think that Dr. Carson might support this idea.

Z said...

Rita, I like to think Whoopie's right about most women not wanting to be on welfare but preferring to work.
I think she'd ALWAYS refuse to see Carson's reasoning for anything; this is probably the closest she'd EVER come to agreeing and I think you're right..it'd kill her to realize she had, in a way.

Hi, Fair Witness! Glad to see you! I hope things are going well for you.
The statement Carson makes on my video will HAUNT HIM. He says, very clearly, "It is not something that I desire to do."....It will HAUNT HIM.
Plus, you need more fire in your belly than that to put on a campaign.

I'm not 100% sure I'd vote for him if I had a good choice, but I SURE DO LIKE HIM.

Wait a minute!
The libs come here calling US RACIST....does admiring Carson and many of us saying we'd probably vote for him mean we're racist? :-)

Z said...

By the way, folks;

He got a 'call from the organizers saying that the White House had called and demanded an apology?'

are you KIDDING ME? Is that what the White House is in the business of? Demanding people apologize for their opinions?

I'd vote for him practically solely for saying he did NOT call.!!

Z said...

CI: as long as they stop demanding clergy marry them, as they're starting to do now...thinking they're righteously 'outing' that clergy for being homophobic. Which is ridiculous.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - You're always going to have a fringe element [as does the right on this issue], that tries to push boundaries for it's own sake or agenda.

But I would find no fault in codifying the rights and protections of clergy to refuse blessing civil unions. I think this protection already exists, and would stand in court, but I have no problem with clarifying it legally.

Z said...

CI. Agreed.

Rita said...

And they WILL force clergy to marry them no matter what their beliefs.

No different than the photographer or wedding cake baker being hauled into court. I have no doubt the couples had plenty of pro-gay businesses that would be glad to participate, but they insisted that everyone be forced to do what they want them to do.

Today you are only allowed to have an opinion that the left wants you t have.

There are plenty of churches that participate in gay marriages,but the activists will go after those that will not perform one.

Look what they are doing to the Little Sisters of the Poor. It's totally agenda driven.

Kid said...

Rita.. "A good leader surrounds himself with smart people who have experience they do not."

Gosh darn it here ya go again!
Meaning You or I could be president.

All you have to know is:

. adhere to the Constitution
. Peace through strength.
. libtards suck.

The rest is a slam dunk.

Kid said...

Z, "Cabinets and secretaries and such are for."

Yes :) Provided you have people in those positions who aren't idiots with a capitol F.

Rita said...

My best bosses were the ones that knew I had more experience and just let me work. And they trusted my judgment.

As a IT project manager, I would get the people who had experience I didn't to explain what I needed to understand. I would then give them an example of what I understood. It worked like a charm. I never went in acting like I understood networks, but I was always able to get enough information to know when an issue was serious or not. And then I made the decision.

I could quickly determine who to trust and who not to.

Bad managers either make decisions based on their ego or completely give up control to others without understanding the situation. I believe both kinds fail miserably.

Z said...

Rita, excellent point...I've asked that to: "If it's not just AGENDA, then why would a gay couple EVER want their photos taken by what they consider a homophobe?"
Slam dunk, right?

Kid...No, my, and Rita's, points are that a good leader surrounds himself with EXPERIENCE.
Yes, you and Rita and most everybody here, and me!, love this country, but I have no experience with which to be Sec of Defense, or Sec of Treasury (that is FOR SURE), or any of the Sec. jobs.
COULD YOU, in all good conscience!? :)

Rita, if you didn't just describe Obama's style, I don't know who has "Bad managers either make decisions based on their ego or completely give up control to others without understanding"

Heaven help us ALL

Sam Huntington said...

I just want everyone here to get down on their knees and thank the Almighty that Howard Dean isn't your doctor.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Z: I read through about 80 comments so I wouldn't repeat one, and was amazed that nobody commented about Whoopie shutting him up at the end.
Then you did.
So I won't comment on it as you already did.
Promise.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Rita - Your statements are what I would politely term as speculative. And while I share your opposition to such thing if it were to pass, I don't share your fear of that reality.

And though a minority [because most gays want nothing to do with a clergy hostile to them] will always pursue such actions.....it is no more or less agenda driven that those who toil endlessly to prohibit such liberties being extended.

Kid said...

Z, Yes, I could serve as president.

I believe all issues presented the White House are simple.

. Internal Calls from libtards, response "Get a Job!"

. Internal Calls from Conservatives, response "Thank You !"

. Calls from any other country "Press 1 to be rerouted to the socialist paradise of your dreams. Press 2 to hear a duck quack. Press 3 to deposit 100 billion dollars into the US Treasury for advance payment for consideration of your issue".

Hang up to repeat these options.

It's simple really.

Lisa said...

Lol Sam

Z said...

Ed, go ahead! Sorry about that :-)

Kid, okay. I vote for YOU :-)

CI, why do you think gays would specifically want a photographer or florist or baker who doesn't want to do their business because they don't agree with the event (gay marriage...) and that does not mean THEY HATE THEM, of course? .As you know, many gays have been vociferous about demanding certain of those people do their work. How's that different from demanding clergy which feels differently than they do perform their wedding ceremony?
Think they're just REALLY good photos, bakers, florists, and clergy?
I don't.

Rita said...

CI: really. I haven't seen any Christians demanding secular churches not perform gay ceremonies.

If you don't believe that a legalization of gay marriage will be forced on pastors who refuse to perform ceremonies because they disagree with them, you are not paying attention.

That is less a restriction of freedoms than forcing religious organization like Little Sisters of the Poor to pay for items they believe kills a life.

Rita said...

Z: you're voting for Kid over me. SEXIST.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Z - I don't support forcing business interests to conduct transactions with those they wish not to, based on their faith.

Likewise, I support the ability of businesses to deny those same transactions based on the faith of customers.

But when you have an entire industry built around denying the ability to marry [or enter into civil unions] to gay Americans.....that's just as agenda driven as those who would like to compel others to cater to them, regardless of their faith.

Rita - Must you use the condescending phrase of 'you're not paying attention'? You're proffering an opinion, but I don't believe I've been impolite to you.

Impertinent said...

@Z:

Dude....that like happened...like so...like so long ago, dude.

Ovomit staffer Tommy V and the Dudes.

Impertinent said...

@CI:

Hey CI...relax...it's all just disembodied text man. You're smarter than that.

Z said...

Imp..what?

CI...I'm really REALLY tiring of talking about this...

An "INDUSTRY" aimed at denying gays MARRY? Ya, it's weird and hyperbolic, but okay, some could think that exists..... but that 'industry' denying civil unions? not so much.

This is so very good an example of people of faith, Jews and Christians (and muslims, frankly) who really couldn't give a damn if gays enter into some agreement with each other and their insisting on MARRIAGE being the thing that finally caused push back.

have a good night.

Sorry, Rita :-) I have to admit I am a bit sexist sometimes..in favor of men!

Rita said...

I'm sorry CI. It's very hard for me to understand someone who doesn't believe clergy will be forced to perform ceremonies they disagree with.

The Catholic Church still will not marry people who are divorced unless it deems the marriage was null and void (annulment). But there is no divorce agenda lobby claiming they are intolerant of divorcees.

When I see what's happening with the abortion lobby, which to me is so much worse that forcing someone to marry someone against their religion, I don't understand why someone would think I was only speculating.

Again, sorry if I was sounding condescending. That wasn't my intention.

Rita said...

Z. I'm betting you get what Imp is saying in the morning. The "dude" gives it away.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Imp - I know....I just really tire of what I consider lazy arguments and hypotheses, especially when framed condescendingly.

Z - Then don't respond. I'm interested in dialogue on this issue because it goes to the heart of what liberty means. There is no compulsion to engage likewise.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Rita -I apologize as well. I shouldn't have assumed intent.

But I do think you refuted your own fear. First, your assertion is hypothetical, but you rightly point out that the Catholic Church, as others, maintain the right to administer doctrine as they see fit in accordance with their faith.

I do not see where any fringe element would be able to overturn precedent, case law and religious freedom.

Baysider said...

"religiously deranged freak"

You mean the one currently in office, right? You know. That deranged watermelon (green on the outside, red on the inside) who follows the religion of Marx.

Kid said...

Rita, I concede the election to you in advance. :)

Baysider said...

Back to your original question. No, I wouldn't push for Dr. Carson as a candidate. Lots of 'deficits' for that, but his IDEAS are not among them. I would hope that he can be a rudder to help shift the center-right back onto a message that gets voters on board with American values which he articulates so beautifully. God bless his mother!! (Prov 31:28)

Rita said...

Ok CI. I don't for one minute believe I put forth "lazy arguments".

If you reread what I wrote about the Catholic Church I stated there is no divorce lobby. There is no agenda to make someone say that divorce is not a sin. (Btown I am divorced and was originally married in the Catholic Church).

The pro abortionists ARE forcing their beliefs on those that have religious objections. And the gay activists ARE forcing their beliefs on those that have religious objections.

That's not a lazy argument. That's a fact.

Rita said...

Smart move Kid. ;)

Believe me, I am very easy to work with unless I know you are absolutely wrong. When I absolutely know my subject, I win. EVERYTIME.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

"And the gay activists ARE forcing their beliefs on those that have religious objections."

Yes, there are some. And I support the right for businesses to discriminate based on their faith, or against faith. And I have no problem with codifying protections of clergy, I simply don't believe it's need, for examples that you brought up.

But likewise, anti-gay activists are forcing their beliefs based on religion, irrespective of objections.

Rita said...

Only because I only fight strong when I know the facts. I don't argument things I don't know.

Rita said...

Stupid autocorrect.

Rita said...

If that's the case, why are the militant gays insisting on the term marriage rather than civil union?

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'the case' specifically, but one reason is that civil unions do not in all cases, provide the same rights and protections as marriage does.

Another is that the argument of the term boils down to the opponents not wanting the label used in this manner, even though there is no tangible harm inflicted to burden upon those who oppose it's broader use.

Beyond that, you have you'd have to query a militant gay.

Rita said...

If that's the case= if that's accurate.

Maybe that's a midwest term.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I get that, but with several posts, I wasn't sure which point you were referring to. I wanted to ensure I was addressing it accurately.

Impertinent said...

@Baysider:


Wham..knockout punch...what a picture.

Impertinent said...

@Kid:

And I'll second that nomination. Anyone else? Come on...Roberts rules and all that.

Rita said...

Look. I want my gay friends to have the exact same legal rights that I have with my husband. I support civil unions. I just believe that the insistence of the term marriage is agenda driven.

You can call that lazy if you want to and I can disagree with your conclusion.

Rita said...

Dammit Imp. Clarify which amendment you are seconding.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

That's not lazy at all. I was referring to asserting hypothesis-as-fact.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

Geeeeez.....the election...the election...Kids's nomination....you're so obtuse sometimes Rita...LMAO...

Z said...

Rita...I remember now. thanks.

and I agree to your comment on gays, civil unions, and agendas...wholeheartedly

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"amendment you are seconding."

Or did you mean the second amendment?

I'm so....so confused....

Constitutional Insurgent said...

The Second Amendment should ALWAYS be seconded.

Kid said...

Why not a tandem president as long as we are trying new things?

RitaBob. I'm down with that. Purely Platonic to be sure.

Rita said...

I'm a little over this word play thing here CI. Obviously I am speculating what will happen. Much like I speculated that Obamacare would decrease the number of docs and increase premiums.

If that bothers you, please just imagine I'm inserting , "my hypothesis is." in front of anything I post.

Impertinent said...

I feel like Chauncy Gardner tonight.

Kid said...

IMP, There IS New Growth here. But the roots are showing signs of damage...

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


I see...I know...I like to watch.

Kid said...

IMP. I know Bobby...

Rita said...

You brought up Roberts Rules of Order Imp. Stick to that terminology man.

And I wanted you to clarify because Kid already conceded to ME.

Kid didn't nominate himself.

Point of Order.

There was no nomination actually called for so you aren't allowed to second it.

Kid said...

Rita, THAT is why I conceded to you. I'm the abstract, you are the rock.

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


Oops...I've been schooled. OK Rita...I'm sitting in the corner....how long do I stay here teach?

Rita said...

Man, how I love you and Imp, Kid.

Kid said...

My week has been made. Maybe year.

Rita said...

I think I made my point earlier that I only argue my point when I know my subject.

I had to study Roberts Rules of Order when I was a junior in high school for a club state secretary position.

I still find it hilarious. But I suppose it works in actual meetings.

Kid said...

Rita. Seriously. I read comments all over the interwebs. Yours are in the top 1% always. Mustang, IMP, Z share that distinction. But seriously... Just so you know.

Impertinent said...

@Rita...


And it's flippin' mutual....Grrrrr....

Kid said...

Well, hell this is the problem one runs into. May I add Bob, Ed, Sam for sure to that.

Point being it ain't many, and isn't that damn sad.

Rita said...

You know Z is going to jump in here and move to nominate Kid and then all this will be moot.

Her blog, her rules.

Kid said...

Rita, Ah, but yes, Once I'M in charge eh Mademoiselle !?

Rita said...

I'll admit my one fault here.

Someone calling me lazy pisses me off BIG TIME.

Thanks for the support Kid and Imp.

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


Leave me out of this...I'm no where near the levels of Mustang, Rita, Z, Bob, Sam ( CI ) or Ed...No where...I'm still in the corner...where I belong...at least until I learn Robert's rules and am allowed to leave.

Rita said...

Yeah Kid. I guess I'll just have to work under you then.

Rita said...

You're dismissed Imp. And I disagree with your conclusion.

Kid said...

IMP, Stop it. You are the ind under most people's wings. The glue that binds. The voice of reason. The dude that takes on Big Jim Walker and always wins.

Rita said...

I thought he took on Jim Beam.

Kid said...

Rita, Only as stealth CEO.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"Someone calling me lazy pisses me off BIG TIME. "

That's not a fault lady....that's an attribute and great character. Thanks for the release too.

Kid said...

Rita, Nopes, Slim took on Big Jim.

Uptown got its hustlers
Bowery got its bums
42nd street got big Jim Walker
He's a pool shootin' son of a gun
Yeah, he's big and dumb as a man can come
But he's stronger than a country hoss
And when the bad folks all get together at night
You know, they all call big Jim boss, just because, and they say

/ G7 - / / / / C7 - / / D7 C7 / D7 C7 GC G /

{Refrain}
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim, da do da do...

/ C7 G / C7 G7 / C7 - / D7 GC G7C D7 - /

Well, out of south Alabama come a country boy
He said, "I'm looking for a man named Jim
I am a pool shootin' boy, my name is Willie McCoy
But down home they call me Slim
And I'm looking for the king of 42nd street
He drive an old drop top Cadillac
Last week he took all my money, and it may sound funny
But I've come to get my money back,"

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

Me...cheap Bourbon? Not a chance. Grey Goose maybe. Lot's of protein...LOL

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Point of order - nobody called anybody here lazy. It would be wordplay to presume that I wasn't speaking of an assertion, not the person.

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


Wow...friggin' great memories with that Jim Croce...Thanks for that bub.

Rita said...

So you're not a cheap date Imp? Man, I would never have guessed.

Kid said...

IMP, On my playlist. There is a great live version out there on utube.

Rita said...

So we can call Imp Willie?

And Kid. I cannot believe you let my comment slide about me working under you.

You're slipping man.

Impertinent said...

@Rita...

Slow down...it depends on whose buying, you know?

I'm not sure what you mean by that either? I think I got slammed...LOL. Back in the corner...to sulk.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"I cannot believe you let my comment slide about me working under you."


I sure as hell didn't miss it...Wish it were me...LMAO...shuddup Imp....bad..bad..

Rita said...

I'm a redneck Imp. A cheap date is a compliment.

Kid said...

Rita, "It Crossed My Mind" ! Lol

Impertinent said...

God...I love it when the shades are drawn down..the hair gets let down...and people relax and have some good clean fun...ain't it like a spring day in ...Ohio? Wisconsin? Oh what the hell.

Rita said...

I already said I love you Imp. Do I have to buy you flowers now too?

Impertinent said...

@Rita:


Then Manishevitz it is...nothing but the best halal grape for you girl.

Rita said...

I've been in a particularly smart assery mood lately. The fun kind.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

Nah...I'll take that big hug to my grave Rita....

"You don't bring me flowers
You don't sing me love songs
You hardly talk to me anymore
When you come through the door
At the end of the day"


Love you too....you betcha...thanks sarah.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"smart assery mood lately."

Only two kinds of people in the world Rita.

Kid said...

Rita, The 'fun kind' is where it's at. We can recognize what's going on and decide to not let it rule our lives. I'm glad you can make that happen.

I don't see many other options. I work to help my friends achieve such mental detachment.

God give me the strength....

Rita said...

Sent you an email Imp. (Oh GEEZ, I almost used your real name)

Rita said...

You're scaring me Imp. I posted a joke in Facebook tonight about only two kinds of people in this world.

Are you stalking me?

Impertinent said...

@Rita:


"(Oh GEEZ, I almost used your real name)"

No problem...How many men are called Hey you in the world anyway?

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

That's some place you'll never see me lady...FB....shudder.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

But I am sensing a case of deja vu´here.

Rita said...

Don't be a hater Imp. (GOD how I hate that saying).

Here it is. This will expose the nerds in the group.

There are only 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binary and those that don't.

Kid said...

Rita, actually 3 kinds of people. Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves.

Team America: World Police described them a little differently.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

10? Ten...TEN..really? I broke it down to just two.

What's Binary? Some redneck thing?

Impertinent said...

@Rita...

Actually...I got it...very, very good.

Z said...

what's going ON here since I've been away from the computer!?

My GOSH!

Calm down...cool down.... :-)

Impertinent said...

Z:


Catch up woman.....you're about a dozen posts behind.

Impertinent said...

Imp...is out ofd the room great people.

As a retired Floridian...I need my strength to line up for the early bird specials. I need most of the day to cut my coupons too.

And make sure I get my share of the sugar packs and crackers.

Impertinent said...

Oof...of...sorry.

Kid said...

IMP, I'm just regaining my senses from imagining Rita working under me...
Uh-oh, here I go agai..

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


Typical...can't hide the beast can ya?

Rita said...

Sorry Z. Imp and Kid hijacked your blog. ;)

Rita said...

It's late here in the midwest. Things get crazy after hours.

Impertinent said...

@Rita:


Aw hell....it's just as good or better than another proposal...no? LOL

Impertinent said...

@Rita:

"Sorry Z. Imp and Kid hijacked your blog. ;)"

No...not you too...I see. Go ahead...we / I can take it.

Rational Nation USA said...

Carson, a brilliant retired neurosurgeon has zero chance of getting elected president. He knows this. He is becoming the male political equivalent of Sarah Palin, tossing out red meat for the religious conservative to knaw on.

Z said...

Rational Nation; Carson IS a very faithful Christian. Nobody's gnawing on anything.


Imp; BELIEVE ME, I said what I could!