Tuesday, October 27, 2009

CIA: WHY have one?

The New York Times is alleging that Karzai's brother is on CIA payroll. Here's a clip from the article:
"The CIA's practices also suggest the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban, the Times said."
REALLY? Is this information going out to the world good for America? Here's more: "In addition, some U.S. officials argue that the reliance on Ahmed Wali Karzai undermines the push to develop an effective central government that would eventually allow the United States to withdraw, the paper reported. "
Is this a joke? If there are problems some CIA insiders don't like, must they run to the NY Times for all the world to see? (the same NY Times which has bemoaned that "The world hates us" Do you blame them? NO OTHER country exposes its dirty laundry through the NY Times for all to see). Is this leftwinger "America can do no right and we have to bring her down and expose everything about her" kind of stuff, or what?
How does this help America? Wouldn't closed door hearings help if there's an inside problem? Just a thought. No..........let's tell the WHOLE WORLD WE ARE WRONG AGAIN, right?


Opus #6 said...

Will the "leakers" be prosecuted like those who outed Valerie Plame? This is just as bad. Anybody who outs a CIA asset is a traitor.

beamish said...

So when are the physics defying roller coasters of oil pipelines across the mountains of Afghanistan from the hostile nation of Iran to the hostile nation of Pakistan that leftists warned us about going to be built?

Did Seemore Horseshit write the article? He knows a lot of people named Anonymous Source.

MK said...

Exactly beamish, where is that oil pipeline anyway.

"The CIA's practices also suggest the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade......"

How about stamping out the taliban times, go on, let us see you scumbags call on barry hussein to crush them.

christian soldier said...

drill here--off of our Coasts-like the Cubans-Russians and et.al .are doing--stop the $$$ flow to the Saudis-Afghanistan and mid-east in general and let them continue in their 4th century ways.
our BEST deserve better ....

Ducky's here said...

Karzai's brother on CIA payroll, drug lord and paramilitary warlord.
-- why does the CIA need a paramilitary force?

Obvious answer - to protect the drug runners from other drug lords.

Employing drug profits to fund other black ops. Great deal. Almost a rotary money machine.

Ducky's here said...

Christian soldier, oil is purchased in dollars. The Saudis sell all they can pump and still produce enough to have a say in the cost, so just how are you going to stop the flow of dollars?

Let me know.

Of course we could conserve but that is simply never the "christian" way. Why is that?

Ducky's here said...

There were a couple of key resignations over Afghan policy yesterday. All is not well in the Pentagon and there is certainly a sane portion of the warrior class who want out.

So they dropped a dime to the Times steno pool and unloaded a little dirt. Big deal.

Just the inside game, get used to it because there's a lot more to come.

Anonymous said...

Does President Obama have a twin brother working at the New York Times? To me this sounds like a potential conspiracy theory, by creating the image of a criminal America to the rest of the world, the next logical step will be to send the President on another world apology tour to solidify his stature in those countries where slavery is a value, like most of the Middle East. (sarcasm off)...

Ducky: "...how are you going to stop the flow of dollars?"

Answer: Drill! Drill! Drill! — Thanks for asking.


Chuck said...

I'm more of a fan of the good old days in which we didn't know what the CIA was doing. I know it's a little scary but if they are keeping us safe, I don't need the details.

Ducky's here said...

I'm not sure how funding a drug ring and controlling the better part of the world's heroin trade keeps you safe, Chuck.

Waylon, let's go real slow. All oil is paid for in dollars. If the Saudis don't sell to us they sell to the Indians or Chinese and they pay in dollars. So I don't understand why "Drill, drill, drill" answers the question.
If the demand for dollars falls even further we are going to see an even weaker dollar that is going to eventually be inflationary. You don't seem to have thought this through.

Not unusual for the far right but remember, the left is here to help you.

Z said...

Of course they kept us safe, Chuck, you're right.
In a world today where information spreads like wildfire (today, they're saying the attacks in Kabul are due to the Tabilan's close watch of the leftwingers here desiring to pull out of there ...I wonder if there's a leftwinger who can seriously say it'd be a good thing to leave Afghanistan to the Taliban? Probably)

Ducky, my whole point, again, is missed by you. The point is we need to keep some extremely important information behind closed doors, like I said in my post.

The CIA and St Dept is probably full of leftwingers from the clinton administration who had to swallow righteousness and America-first thinking from Bush and are now finally waking from that patriotic thing they couldn't stand and eager to expose all they can about us...to enemies. At this most perilous time in our history....while we have a pres who's eager to appease and apologize and have a beer. Congratulations.

You hear he's already played golf more than Bush did in, I think, 4 years? My, my, my...remember how the media slammed Bush. My, my, my.

cube said...

It doesn't have to be true; it just has to be posited and the damage is done.

Conspiracy theories, once propagated, are hard to debunk. Many people, many of them blacks, still believe that the CIA was responsible for the crack cocaine epidemic in urban areas. Go figure.

Ducky's here said...

So you want to play 3 Monkeys, z ?

No use troubling ourselves about what is really happening?

The timing of this is everything and it would be interesting to know where it came from because the screwup in Afghanistan is losing friends fast.

Should we leave? If staying means surrendering to those who think we just have to kill enough Taliban to "win" then we should be on the first stage out of Dodge.

Z said...

you're right, cube, and I can't get a response regarding leaks from the Times and how dangerous they are to us...it doesn't seem to matter to some people that America's faltering because of leftwing glee in sinking us as rapidly as possible.

Ducky, 'should we leave?'.. Frankly, I hope we do; after we've bombed areas we know hold suspected leaders of the Taliban. What, are our enemies going to hate us more?

Remember, we can't bomb and protect soldiers from OUR SIDE in the future, bombing having enabled us to pull way back in the number of OUR GUYS, because GEE, WE HATE COLLATERAL DAMAGE and OH, will Rachel and Keith be UPSET :-) Can't have the far left annoyed!...BUT their side has no definition for collateral..their extremists would like to blow up every mall in America and probably will start doing so.

And, we're so weak for having capitulated to Russia on the ONE NEGOTIATING CARD WE HAD (Poland and Czech Rep's missile shields) that we don't have a leg to stand on in the world today.

Thanks, Obama. You're even 'better' than all of us thought you'd be in ruining our country.

Ducky's here said...

Funny you mention shopping malls, z.

We had a loony tune arrested in Boston recently. Dad is a big shot professor at Mass. College of Pharmacy, a Saudi. Junior got picked up for conspiracy to shoot up local shopping centers but the plan failed because junior couldn't get hold of weapons and had been Rejected for training by al-Qaeda.

Now, why you need training to spray a shopping center is a mystery but there it is.

So he appears at a bail hearing and refuses to stand before the judge and we hear dad scream at him in court to stand up. This is the A-Team.

Now just how our presence in Afghanistan, other than antagonizing these morons who are rebelling against daddy, protects us from an incident at a shopping center is absolutely beyond me.

Sorry z, the military is doing more harm than good and that's just the name of that tune right now.

Ducky's here said...

And, we're so weak for having capitulated to Russia on the ONE NEGOTIATING CARD WE HAD (Poland and Czech Rep's missile shields) that we don't have a leg to stand on in the world today.

How do you feel about the news that Russia is playing a positive roll in dealing with Iranian enriched uranium.

Frankly, I'd say that's worth giving up the useless magic missile which didn't work anyway and provided no defense of value.

Z said...

Ducky, you're entitled to whatever opinion you have. Regarding the problem in Boston...so what? Only fools who believe it was only 'spraying bullets' "junior" was after would say "so what".

Regarding Russia helping? NO, they aren't....unless something happened today, they clearly came out last week saying they're not at all working for us in Iran, you know that.
Also, only this year, Russia had the biggest military parade in years, displaying all the big guns you can get on a float. Some coincidence.

We have NOTHING, Ducky....NOTHING LEFT. Welcome to your America...weak and socialist and lazy and with a dishonest media, to boot. Congratulations again.

christian soldier said...

D-Christians are liberal in giving to those in need...
volunteering for projects that help those in need and to help elect honorable individuals to serve in government offices...
We also give our tax $$$ for government to serve its Constitutional duties...Not to delve into the Christian responsibilities stated above...

BTW-when bho-mo-nancy P.-al gore-george $oro$-and et.al. cease and desist leaving their hypocritical carbon footprints all over the world--I'll stop flushing my toilets after each use and driving the SUV....

Anonymous said...

Ducky, as helpful as you try to be somehow I get the impression it ain't much help you offer.

You didn't get the idea that drilling in your own country for oil, finding more and increasing the supply of American oil would lead to less demand for foreign (Saudi) oil? Less money flowing out of the country to places like Saudi Arabia can't be a bad thing, in my opinion. Less dependence on foreign suppliers like the one mentioned might even reignite the old fire of independence — from looking for free stuff from your own government, also a good thing, IMO.


Anonymous said...

""The CIA's practices also suggest the United States is not doing everything in its power to stamp out the lucrative Afghan drug trade, a major source of revenue for the Taliban, the Times said.""

The CIA's practices "suggest"? Well that's certainly definitive.

While Ducky drools all over himself with scenarios he made up, let's ask him for evidence of what exactly the CIA may have been paying Karzai for. Ahmed Karzai denies this btw, but let's say it's true.

I know this may come as a shock to liberals, but our intelligence agents sometimes have to deal with shady, nasty characters. Sometimes they risk their lives in doing so.

According to what I read in these excerpts, we know nothing except that the CIA may have been dealing with a drug lord. Why? It doesn't say why, it "suggests".

In othr words someone want's to discredit the CIA for dealing with a drug lord. I see nothing that indicates what they got for their money or what they were after.

Evidently the Times doesn't know, and neither does Ducky. So they "suggest".

So in the interest of weakening our CIA, and intelligence services, let's print a sensational headline and article which in essence is pretty meaningless. But, damn, it sounds good doesn't it?

I won't divine any reason for their actions because I don't know, and the fact is from what I can see, neither does anyone else except the CIA.

But the know-nothing left, doesn't care. If you print a headline with the CIA and Drug Lord in one fell swoop, that's enough in tabloid America.

Another distraction from what's going on behind closed doors in Wahington DC, and another excuse to call for our departure from Afghanistan.

So, what else is new?


Freedomnow said...


Sometimes you shouldnt give unsubstantiated rumors the time of day. It just gives talking heads the opportunity to repeat the same old lies over and over again.

Its almost funny that leftists still look upon Czarist Russia as a savior. Czar Putin is not much different than KGB Putin and the Whatshisname President is a joke who suits the bureaucratic Kremlin.

Ducky's here said...

Its almost funny that leftists still look upon Czarist Russia as a savior.


You have the left confused with Solzhenitsyn , freedomnow.

I would like to take this opportunity to make you aware that being a radical right wing Randoid does not give you anything like an inkling of Russian or Slavic history. Or history at all for that matter.

Ducky's here said...

That's right Pris, in far right land you have a scenario which is iron clad proof of why funding a player in the world heroin trade protects your "freedoms" and "supports our troops".

I leave you with an excellent quote:

"The ethos of consumption and individual autonomy, privileging the here and now over the eternal, will conquer the Muslim world as surely as it is conquering East Asia and as surely as it has already conquered what was once known as Christendom. It's the wreckage left in the wake of that conquest that demands our attention."
Andrew J.Bacevich -- "The War we Can't Win"

Now go ahead and push your bromodies, cliches, boiler plate and teabagger prosaism but do listen to the adults once in a while

Ducky's here said...

Less money flowing out of the country to places like Saudi Arabia can't be a bad thing, in my opinion.


Let me try again, waylon. ALL OIL IS PURCHASED IN DOLLARS.

The Saudis sell as much as they can pump and they are paid in dollars. Okay?

Now, that's the deal. Those dollars may come indirectly from China or India but they are DOLLARS, got it.

If you want to make a case that we would have a more stable supply if we drilled and wouldn't have to depend on the U.S. military to handle the oil companies' security, extortion and bribery then you might have a case.

However, the idea that we should decouple the dollar from oil and hasten its replacement as the worlds reserve currency is economic suicide.

Maggie M. Thornton said...

The CIA's job is to keep America safe, at all cost. That is repugnant position to Liberals.

Anonymous said...

"the idea that we should decouple the dollar from oil and hasten its replacement as the worlds reserve currency is economic suicide."

Economic suicide is the purposeful destruction of the dollar by the government and the Federal Reserve. Creating a financial crisis in order to expand the power of the state into more and more aspects of the economy is suicidal — unless you favor enslavement to the state. You aren't implying the destruction of the dollar nationally and it's precarious position as an international exchange currency are accidental, are you? I thought Marxist economics would have taught you that it's important to destroy the currency and economy if you are to pursue a statist agenda, but maybe you missed that class ...


Ducky's here said...

You may have a point Waylon but that's all straw man.

Additional drilling will not do anything to stop oil being paid for in dollars. This idea that we need to "decrease our dependce on foreign oil" is largely wrong. We need to decrease our dependence on oil. And "drill and drive" only delays the day of reckoning.

Anonymous said...

Ducky, the only time you're in the company of adults is here, on GEEEZ!

I ask you for evidence of why the CIA is dealing with Karzai, and you leave a quote which has nothing to do with this debate.

I've told you before how transparent your bait and switch tactic is and I'm not discussing an unrelated quote.

Pris said - "I won't divine any reason for their actions because I don't know, and the fact is from what I can see, neither does anyone else except the CIA."

Is this the ironclad proof I proffered?

We're talking about an article which is full of conjecture, and presented as some evil doings by the CIA, when no one knows what their dealings were for. Yet, somehow it's a scandal based on what, besides sensationalism by the NY Times?

Ducky, you really are a babe in the woods (how cliche of me) when it comes to anyone like the CIA doing the heavy lifting.

Your problem is you've seen too many movies. But then, being an adult, I live in the real world.


Ducky's here said...

Is this the ironclad proof I proffered?


Iron clad proof? Are you delirious?

Just how do we get "iron clad proof"?

I accept the Times statement that we are paying off his brother. Nothing new here. It's the way things are done, like we paid off local clans in Iraq and still are.

Now, if you don't think Karzai is taking his cut of the drug money then you are on some very strange planet.

We are supporting a corrupt government in a country that is very distrustful of all central government and we do this why ... let me know if you have an answer that doesn't involve, "to protect our freedoms" or some similar tripe.

Z said...

ducky, it's such a relief to know that you, with far far far less knowledge of the people and the area and insider discussions, are in charge and ready to attack America for her dishonesty and terrible actions.