UPDATE: Looks like we're not alone, plenty are wondering WHY?
From AP: OSLO – President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation. The article goes on to say:
"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said."
Remember when Chicago lost its bid for the Olympics last week and the Leftwingers suggested it was Bush's fault? I thought that was just plain silly, because if it were Bush's fault, they'd have awarded Obama the Chicago Olympics to show the world OBAMA IS BETTER! GOOD that OBAMA'S IN CHARGE NOW, right? Like "WE'll show the world who's better."
Well, now it looks like it was probably the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE PEOPLE who used that criterion, not the IOC. After all, Bush only kept America safe for eight years.......but what kind of criterion would THAT be to the Nobel Prize committee, right?
Obama's in good company; Arafat and Jimmy Carter ("Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter, who won the peace prize himself in 2002, said Obama's win showed the hope he had inspired worldwide").are 'winners' of this prize, too. They're all big losers in my book.
Here's something from the new link I added above in my UPDATE: ...."Obama won? Really? Wow," said David Hassan, 43, of Pine Brook, New Jersey. "He deserves it I guess, he's the president. He's a smart guy and I guess he's into peace." Now you all can see what kind of thinker approves of Obama's selection, right? WOW! He's a SMART guy and INTO PEACE! WHY didn't WE see that? God help us all. :-)
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President Obama on Friday won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said.
This is a joke, right? A report from the Onion or SNL?
Either that or Nobel Peace Prize is turning into code for "really bad president."
The good Lord must really have a sense of humor. This will only empower this moron to be even more immune to the reality of his total incompetence. I'm pretty sure he will also win the Heisman Trophy. And the Cy Young Award. I expect to see him on Dancing with the Stars next season.
Must be the consolation prize for not securing the Olympics for Chicago...
Unbelievable that someone can be awarded a prize for making tons of speeches instead of actual accomplishments, but Gore proved that wrong with his piece of fiction.
This idiocy about the Nobel Peace Prize is the first news I heard this morning -- before I had even taken down my first cup of coffee.
I nearly spewed that coffee across the room!
The Nobel Peace Prize is no longer relevant. It is a joke.
Wonder how much it cost Soros to make this to happen?
Since the nomination has to be in by February 1, the award was given for just over one week in office. Obama kept the world safe for one week and brought people together for one week - and he receives the Nobel Peace Prize.
If flag@whitehouse.gov was still working, I'd definitely report this one because it stinks like a tuna cannery.
Al Gore (right?) then him. It's a joke.
We were celebrating peace in the 1930s.
Gee maybe they'll elect Obama President of the EU in 2010 and he can resign his US Presidency and rule over Europe!
We should start a "Draft Obama in 2010" Campaign for the EU Presidency position now. That way, when they finally reveal his birth certificate, we'll discover that he was born in Paris all along.
Well you have to remember that this award was given to Henry Kissinger.
It's been a joke for some time.
The hate radio jackies are going to have a field day with this one. Just what we need to elevate the national conversation.
Obama on the other hand could refuse the prize and show some folks he has a pair.
Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.
More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
Expect we'll hear the sound of many heads exploding today, which should at least make Mr. Nobel happy.
Still, I don't think much of the award.
After you all rend your garments and gnash yor teeth and froth and foam and stomp about at the perfidy of the Euros and all those who don't think that reflexive saber rattling is the appropriate response to every international issue, may we have an answer for this one?
For some reason the Peace Prize is awarded in Norway, while the others are awarded in Sweden.
I say it's because some people will do anything to keep Henry Kissinger out of their country.
He's in good company...Yassir Arafat and Jimmy Carter. Nuff said. Surely there is someone out there that is more deserving.
The fact that the Nobel Peace Prize went to Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt was bad enough...then it progressed (pun intended for anyone who gets it) to Carter where it completely lost all credibility.
By the time Gore won it, the recipient should have been presented with a tube of toilet paper (recycled of course) so in summation, the award really means nothing; therefore, I suppose one could say Obama can be the true recipient of the award --for doing nothing.
~Leslie
Imagine ... politicians giving awards to one another. Imagine ... anyone cares.
But I will say this, I'll never watch another viking movie for as long as I live.
Sam
This only goes to show you what a total waste and phony this award is. It is a disgrace to what the award had once meant.
As Shop Rat said: "It is no longer relevant"
By the way, I put up a good blog on this today
Tom beat me to it, darn it! The 'Peace' Prize hasn't had much meaning for a great many years. And I heard on Fox that he was nominated after just 2 weeks in office!!! What an example of pre-cognition. He, or those jerking the puppt strings, really had to work fast. The 'award' has become a sadly non-laughable joke. Now I'll go watch the tornado warnings for the rest of the day.
Ellen
I am still suppressing the taste of bile in the back of my throat while reading the headline of your blog.
All I'm going to say is that ACORN must have counted the votes!
This makes a total mockery of the award. It is a disgrace to the award.
This only goes to show that the Nobel prize is now absolutely meaningless
I decided to stop being a linear thinker and to view it in the way all of my right wing brethren would, i.e. it is good and right because it will steam certain people off. A lot.
I knew it had a taste of 1928
Guess who won in 1929?
Frank B. Kellog for the Kellogg-Briand Pact.
We know what happened down the road...
Isn't amazing how history repeats itself. We have all the criteria: financial, moral crisis and peaceniks who apologize.
Next he'll get the Nobel Prize for Economic. Haha! :)
callmekat...good new blog you have there...thanks for coming by and leaving this comment; You are SO RIGHT.
TOM...consolation prize is right!
ALways: Just what we all needed this morning!!
Shoprat...it's kind of sad, isn't it? THey must be so proud of themselves and Obama must be, too, but really, he's even more open to ridicule now; I"m eager to hear European reactions and will get Mr Z to read the press there as soon as I can bring myself to tell him this news. I think his head will explode...I'm letting him sleep in!
BETH: Ya THINK? You could have a point...I believe he's definitely THE PUPPET MASTER.
LL..thanks, stinks is right. ONE WEEK...Two weeks, top. HE WINS! :-)
Ralph..thanks for coming by...you're right.
Leslie..."recycled of course"!! Great!
Ellen...good luck with the tornadoe
s!?
FrogBurger: For ECONOMICS! That's hilarious, and could very well happen!
Ducky...as if this man would ever humble himself like not accepting. Good choice for president, Ducky, a man of real class and dignity.
I'M WONDERING HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE MICHELLE TO SAY SHE'S THE NOBEL PRIZE FIRST LADY?
RALPH...only one error in your excellent comment. He's not respected by the world...only the world's leftists. And the world's leftists get their news from our leftist NY Times, etc. The real people are getting him now...like Americans are.
Mr Z is German; let's see what the news is from there once he's on his computer and has had time to patch his head from exploding over this news. I haven't the guts yet to tell him...oops, he's just got up and....ruh roh! WISH ME LUCK!
Here's Mr. Z's RESPONSE TO "Guess who won the Nobel Peace Prize!":
"OBAMA??????? They're completely F'ING IDIOTS...THIS CANNOT BE TRUE"....
I'm running for bandages NOW for his head wound..it DID explode ! :-)
Oooo...I can't tell y'all what he's saying now....I'd better go get him some coffee. OUCH, you can't hear THAT, either! :-)
There's nothing like the the sound of a German cussing! ;)
An award for political rhetoric... And only two weeks of it, at that, considering that Obama would have had to been nominated in the first two weeks of his presidency.
Just heard the speech...
"I don't deserve....to be in the company..."
Bwaahaahaaa! SO HUMBLE.
Actually, he DOES belong in the company of the other recipients, such as Carter, Al Gore, and Arafat.
Does he get a million bucks too, by the way?
Wonder what he'll do with them?
It should go back to the treasury as he won as the President of the USA :)
Germany's press is positive but they warn of the responsibility associated with it and they're unsure he can fulfill it...imagine?
A German friend emailed he was going to go to bed and pull the covers over his head ...
Let's face it, there's something going on we don't know about when Sarkozy, who's made it SO CLEAR he can't stand Obama, now says "French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has made no secret of his admiration for Obama, called the decision the embodiment of the "return of America into the hearts of the people of the world."
CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS COMMENT?"But Obama's work is far from done, on numerous fronts." Duh, AP writers..ya THINK?
It's all here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_nobel_peace
By the way, even Obama says this: Obama said he was surprised and deeply humbled by the honor, and planned to travel to Oslo to accept the prize, which he said he does not see "as a recognition of my own accomplishments," but rather as a recognition of goals he has set for the United States and the world.
GOALS FOR THE WORLD? IS HE KIDDING? What an egomaniac...Oh, and of course, he has decided to attend. SURPRISE!
sounds like mr. j's response when I told him - probably the only difference was the lack of German expletives here - although there was more than enough English and Spanish to make it interesting.
there is a long line of losers before Obama who have received this piece of peace trash and been 'recognized' by the world community. I can't speak for past winners, but based on the response I'm receiving from my former European exchange students and their families we're not alone in our shock. did you see lech walesa's response?
Walesa's was supportive, too, Heidianne..."Former Polish President Lech Walesa, who won the prize in 1983, questioned whether Obama deserved it now.
"So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act," Walesa said. "
That really bugged me, too....ya 'too soon' but 'beginning to act'...
My preferred response would have been Polish for what Mr. Z said :-)
The good thing about this is that now he can send the troops in Afghanistan. I'm sure that's why he was postponing.
From a German Center paper, Die WElt:
"With this Peace Nobel Price to Barack Obama, the wishful thinking has achieved a never occurred triumph over the realities of world politics. Obama cannot show any real results after nine months in office. This premature honoring will turn out to be a mortgage for the U.S. President."
Mortgage, translating to "weight on his future"....yup
I don't like Obama and what he stands for, it has nothing to do with his "race".
We believe he is a socialist and he is doing great harm to our country.
This so called Peace Prize is a disgusting joke on America and the rest of the World.
Can anyone -- ANYone -- list Mr Obama's actual accomplishments in terms of "peace."
ANYone? Bueller?
BZ
P.S.
Sound of crickets chirping. . .
Turn down the Peace Prize? Are you serious, ducky? Did he turn down his admission to Columbia, Harvard, the Illinois State Senate, the US Senate or the Presidency?
His head is so far up in the clouds (or some other dark place), that I'm sure he'll berate the Nobel Committee for not conferring the prize upon him upon graduation from kindergarten.
That beer summit was OBVIOUSLY the tipping point towards a new millenia filled with whirrled peas.
Ralph, buy a vowel. St. Ronnie Raygun caught a break when Brezhnev died. Otherwise the moron might have gotten us into a war.
Also you really shouldn't ignore the real heavy lifting that was done by the resisters in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. You know. Walesa, Sakharov ... people who put it on the line and were recognized when the committee was sane.
You go over the fence at the Lenin shipyard and it's a little bigger than "want a jellybean". Raygun was a second rate clown.
Shoprat calls it exactly right once again -- and in the simplest, clearest, most direct terms.
Personally, I can't afford to allow myself to express what I feel anymore. It does no good. No one in power listens. No one cares.
It's pretty obvious "The New World Order" is now firmly in place. Orwell's nightmare vision is fulfilled. E.M. Forster saw it coming exactly 100 years ago. Huxley and Orwell got most of their ideas from Forster [read The Machine Stops, published 1909 - It's all there]
What you hear from the remnants of the right are the last gasps of a breed soon to become extinct.
The "in" joke behind all these machinations is that both parties have only been PRETENDING to oppose one another since George H.W. Bush took over. It's a SHOW they put on to keep most of us busy squabbling and vainly imagining that there is still a chance, that it ISN'T done deal, but it IS -- has been for a very long time.
"Under the spreading chestnut tree, where I sold you and you sold me ..."
~ Orwell, 1984
The Oligarchy of which George Soros and Barack Obama are but twin figureheads RULES, whether "we" like it or not. People no longer count -- only POWER. And that power is achieved and held by manipulating PERCEPTION -- by representing Truth as a Lie and vice versa.
Everyone but the oligarchs will be very very sorry they've traded freedom for the illusion of peace, safety and "equality," but, apparently, there is no way for humanity to learn but the hard way.
At the end of World War Two they said, "NEVER AGAIN!"
They might as well have said, "ALWAYS!"
The essence of earthly mortal existence is Eternal Struggle between Darkness and Light -- Truth and Falsehood. Presently Darkness appears to be winning, because it has successfully passed itself off as "ENLIGHTENMENT."
HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH!
When you dance with the Devil, you will always get your feet crushed and wind up crippled and in pain for the rest of your life.
Our only hope is in Christ (God) who is the living embodiment and perfect expression of Truth, Love, Intelligence, Principle, Spirit, Soul, and Life, itself.
May God bless those of us who love and pray for the best by opening our eyes to the almighty, everlasting power of Truth and Love.
~ FreeThinke
Drat! This means he won't be sending over those 40k troops as advised per his general over in the Afghanistan theatre!
STEVE and FROGBURGER...both of you had the same excellent thought; maybe this WAS what he was waiting for..NOW maybe he CAN screw the Nobel people by sending more troops!
I love irony :-)
FT...thanks for that reminder.
"Ralph, buy a vowel. St. Ronnie Raygun caught a break when Brezhnev died. Otherwise the moron might have gotten us into a war.
Also you really shouldn't ignore the real heavy lifting that was done by the resisters in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. You know. Walesa, Sakharov ... people who put it on the line and were recognized when the committee was sane."
Yes, with ifs and maybes, there wouldn't have been a Soviet Union, Ducky. Look at facts, not what ifs. But since you don't like facts, you have to find something to prove your point.
Walesa and co had something to do with it. But they didn't have the leverage the US had, especially in the armement race that financially destroyed the ruble and the Soviet economy.
And the Pope too.
But without the US it wouldn't have come that fast.
It's like saying the French resistance had a key role. Balloney! The US was key to defeat national *socialism*.
It is a topsy turvy world.
Ducky,
the thought of him turning anything down...oh, how you make me laugh.
Thanks for that. :-)
I tried, Z. I tried to give obama a chance. I can't stand the sound of his voice anymore. There is nothing authentic or sincere about this man. He is 100% scripted and false. He is all ego.
Jen, he's so far worse than any of us even thought. The ego's insufferable and we can't look at him anymore, either. Must be because he's black, huh ?:-)
Yes, it's rough and you needn't apologize; I think a lot of America's on to him by now.......but, thanks to the left, we're stuck with a man who just doesn't understand the greatness of this country because he's so stuck with his own psychoses.....unreal.
FROM FRANCE'S LE FIGARO JUST NOW:
35,000 polled...DOES OBAMA DESERVE THE NOBEL PRIZE?
YES 29.2%
NO 70.8%
Gosh, I thought THEY LOVE HIM!? (smile) As Mr. Z says "THIS IS THE REALITY..the politicians can't say anything because they'll be in hot water" Merkel was very low key, by the way. Well, who wouldn't be? THIS IS INSANE.
The Nobel Committee has for some time been ignoring the mandated criteria for its selections. But, this selection is so difficult for many to even come to grips with the sheer absurdity of it.
This is an obscenity and I have said all that I care to say on this subject on my page.
http://thepatriotpage.blogspot.com/2009/10/nobel-prize-is-worthless-now.html
“The Nobel committee is preaching at Americans, but they won’t be deceived,” says Bolton. “He should decline it and then ask to be considered again in three or four years when he has a record.”
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Damn, even John Bolton agrees with me, what a revolting development.
Who's next, Michele Bachmann?
Well this proves to me he's the Messiah.
Who knew ahistorically thanking Muslims for calligraphy would pay off?
"Who's next, Michele Bachmann?"
You can't handle an attractive, intelligent, and strong woman who is not on the left, Ducky?
I'm not on her side but I admire Hillary Clinton for her strength and tenacity.
Not surprising of your kind. Total lack of courage and inner strength. That's why you're on the left.
He's not worse than I thought he would be, but just as awful as I anticipated. It's not possible for him to be any more disastrous than my expectations of him. He's George Orwell's nightmare vision of '1984', a dash of Mr. Hyde, & the young untouched, but evil, Dorian Gray all rolled into a skinny suit. Welcome to 'Metropolis'. Sorry if that's disrespectful. No-- I'm not. Anybody watched 'Manchurian Candidate' lately? I recommend it.
Ellen
Congratulations to President Obama!
"Who's next, Michele Bachmann?"
You can't handle an attractive, intelligent, and strong woman who is not on the left, Ducky?
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I've got a rule, Froggy. Sooner or later you have to talk to them.
Can you imagine trying to talk to that ugly harpy, Bachmann?
Uh-oh... Ducky's misogyny is showing... again.
It disturbs me how often these threads become more about Canardo, and how much he is detested, than about the issue at hand.
There must be something better to talk about than the sarcastic quackings of a self-anointed pain-in-the-arse.
Otalp
Don't blame me. I voted for Ducky.
tiob
Carter got the same prize didn't he? Right after he handed the entire middle east over to muslims to turn it into a terror state? Obama is going to scrap the whole war on terror and all, what with not backing up his promise to commit to Afghanistan and hunt and kill Bin laden. So what, Carter won the medal by turning into a terror state, and Obama wins a medal for keeping it that way. Sounds fair to me.
"ugly" Bachman. I wish the world was that ugly. Would be a better place.
The NPP used to be a prestigious award and honored those who truly deserved it. However, I see it as socialists awarding one of their own.
He defended Polanski so how can he have normal standards vis a vis women? Maybe some underlying issue here.
Ducky probably thinks Pelosi & Streisand & Helen Thomas are just 'gawjus'!
Ellen
No he thinks Rachel MadCow Disease should be the next Miss America :)
Fox and Friends, of course, mocked it mightily, and Limbaugh was livid, claiming he deserved the credit for Obama’s award, but rightwing Americans, like all Americans, will no doubt be proud that their president has been awarded this prestigious international honor, the Nobel Peace Prize, which Martin Luther King had been awarded before him.
I feel very proud, psiko bond. I love when people get trophies for participating. That makes proud. Only people with low standards on the left would be proud. So be proud. I'll stick to being proud of being an American for the inherent values of the greatest country on the face of the earth, not because of his president whatever he is.
But the left is weak and you people leave vicariously so that makes sense.
Have drinks for me tonight.
is THAT why our BEST were allowed to be shot in their sleep-and ambushed from a mosque...
and McCrystal's rec. for more troops ignored...
he the great HE-- bho- was waiting for the nobel prize...
thanks -all for the insight...i was 'confused' for awhile- I thought bho was Commander in Chief!!!-and was to tend to US business and our military FIRST...
Being 'proud' of the Peacenik Award for O. is about like bragging when you get to shoot 'big game' that has been tethered in front of you for the killing. Not a chance in Hell would I be proud of that or him.
a friend just returned from Ireland, & her observation (she's a former liberal & reporter) was that the people she spoke with & who asked questions of her & her husband weren't too complimentary of him by any means.
Ellen
I have yet to hear an actual reason for giving this to him Maybe the Duck can enlighten us, if he can take his break from his usual nonsense that is.
When we know the two previous sitting Presidents who won the Nobel Peace Prize it all makes sense. Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt. Both "progressives" in the political sense of the word.
Socialist ideology.
Then of course there's Jimmy Carter, a disaster yes, but also a "progressive". Al Gore, you guessed it, a "progressive" and in his case, a grifter.
However, Obama is a first in this sense, he's the first adolescent to receive the Nobel Peace Prize.
For anyone to compare him to Martin Luther King, is to denigrate King.
Anger was not my first response to this news, it was, "what, is this a joke"? Then laughter.
It really is a joke, and just goes to prove how meaningless this is, and how it diminishes past recipients who may have deserved high honor.
Pris
Even some of my liberal friends seem almost embarrassed by this!
That prize became completely meaningless after Jimmy Carter, Yasser Arafat and Al Gore won. Look back at all the accomplishments of these three awardees and how they literally advanced the cause of peace in the world.
Oh, wait. They didn't.
President Obama is in good company.
Much ado about nothing.
I felt the warmth of the sun on my face this morning as I heard the news that peace was breaking out all over the globe. Then again, I might just be coming down with h1n1.
Doesn't the Norwegian Nobel Committee know that it's really not a good idea to feed a person's delusions of grandeur?
I wonder if the creep is greedy enough, arrogant enough, slimy enough, crude enough, low enough...to pocket the money...rather than donating it to...a war against gang violence and murdered kids in his hometown...of Shitcago?
Oh...I forgot...it's Obama...beneath contempt...he'll take it. Wanna wager?
Does anyone know what the asswipe Norwegians produce that we can refuse to buy anymore? Besides sardines?
"Can you imagine trying to talk to that ugly harpy, Bachmann?"
Rather that than Piglosi.
I feel very proud, psiko bond. I love when people get trophies for participating. That makes proud. Only people with low standards on the left would be proud. So be proud. I'll stick to being proud of being an American for the inherent values of the greatest country on the face of the earth, not because of his president whatever he is.
Froggy, Americans should feel proud that our president is being highly honored abroad for “his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,". It’s not just the left, Froggy: Even Bill O’Reilly said tonight they should be proud of his winning. People around the world have a much better opinion of America and its values than they have had in the last eight years.
But the left is weak and you people leave vicariously so that makes sense.
Saying "people leave vicariously" makes no sense.
"Since the nomination has to be in by February 1, the award was given for just over one week in office."
LL, you make the most salient point of all.
Anyone who thinks Obama was surprised today is living in a dream world.
Of course this is consistent with the smoke and mirrors we've seen since Obama came on the scene.
The whole thing is a set up, from beginning to end. What a con job. I'd say it's right up there with global warming, all of it. And the beat goes on.
One wonders if democrats will ever "get it". They're the biggest chumps of all.
Pris
We're home from a LONG day away...but, man, it was fun to read these comments! (most of them, anyway)
Yes, Jungle Mom, even the Left's embarrassed...those who have any integrity, anyway.
It was stupid. It's over. O'Reilly likes the idea..proving my negative feelings about him...and I'm going to bed.
Thanks, everybody, for weighing in. xxx
Milli Vanilli redux
Good to see everyone...
I'm with Shoppie on this one...The N.P.P. is no longer relavent and hasn't been for sometime I expect. Besides, I was under the impression it was for efforts made and not efforts assumed to be made...is my thinking off?
Blessings.
psi007 it makes no sense b/c I can't spell.
I don't feel proud for the President. I feel proud for achievements, not participation.
I don't have to agree with O'Reilly, and I don't 50% of the time because he's about ratings, not ideas.
People around the world always had a good vision of America. Maybe not of his past president. But they love America.
You have to separate the 2. But you small lefty brain love oversimplification. Your kind needs a leader because you can't lead yourself. That's why we're Conservative. And that's why you're on the left. We can take care of ourselves and feel proud for ourselves. We don't have to live life through somebody else.
Furthermore, I love the ideals of collaboration around the world. Everybody loves that. But I'm also pragmatic. Ideals in foreign policy do not work. Or they work amongst well intended people. They don't work against evil and butches.
Ask Kellog and Aristide Briant. Ask people who signed Munich in 1938.
So I couldn't care less about the Nobel Peace Prize if we end up with North Korea, Iran and Pakistan nukes hitting us because we just wanted to be nice and understanding with them.
But I guess it's ok. You had your big O today and your feel good moment. So critical and skeptical thinking based on History doesn't matter.
butches -> butchers
psi007 it makes no sense b/c I can't spell
Well, Froggy, learn. English is a less regular language than French.
I don't feel proud for the President. I feel proud for achievements, not participation.
Most Americans feel they are participants in the Great American Experiment: Government of the people, by the people, for the people. Recognition abroad tends to make them proud, as Americans, just as being chosen for the Olympics would have.
I don't have to agree with O'Reilly, and I don't 50% of the time because he's about ratings, not ideas.
Of course, you don’t have to agree with anyone, but so are Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, et al. about ratings. O’Reilly said that he’s proud that Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, but his idea of the Norwegian Nobel judges who gave it to him is that they are “dopes”.
People around the world always had a good vision of America. Maybe not of his past president. But they love America.
According to polls around the world, the policies of the last president tarnished the vision that people had previously had of America.
You have to separate the 2. But you small lefty brain love oversimplification. Your kind needs a leader because you can't lead yourself. That's why we're Conservative. And that's why you're on the left. We can take care of ourselves and feel proud for ourselves. We don't have to live life through somebody els.
It’s an oversimplification to assume personal life and national identity cannot be separated. Everyone must live his/her own personal life, even mothers. And, just as surely, every government must have leaders, who, in a democracy, should act in the interests of the public. You have to keep the two of them separate.
To be or not to be in favor of one’s country if success means a boost to the reputation and political future of a president of a party different than your own. That is the question. Not whether to have one’s own life or have a leader for the government.
Froggy: Furthermore, I love the ideals of collaboration around the world. Everybody loves that. But I'm also pragmatic. Ideals in foreign policy do not work. Or they work amongst well intended people. They don't work against evil and butches.
When the cooperation of other nations is necessary to achieve success in addressing international problems, the rightwing penchant for equating all diplomacy to Munich or Versailles is a hindrance. History shows that no nation can impose its autocratic will on all others forever.
It is foolish to cast Obama’s award as a partisan victory. It is a victory for the decent aspirations of the world’s people, one that may help to some degree in implementing them.
Z: Yes, Jungle Mom, even the Left's embarrassed...those who have any integrity, anyway.
Most on the left were surprised and some are skeptical. But surprise and skepticism are not equivalents of embarrassment. Those with integrity fully understand that.
It was stupid. It's over. O'Reilly likes the idea..proving my negative feelings about him...and I'm going to bed.
O’Reilly said he was surprised but thought Americans should be proud of Obama getting the award. He also said that the Nobel judges were dopes, in his view. Sweet dreams.
Hey psi, living your life as a hysterical liberal who defends a vacuous president with no real achievments makes no sense, but it doesn't stop you.
Frogburger has a tight grasp on all things American. Small errors in grammar are just that.
However, defending liberalism is a lapse in character, and I don't see how one can recover from that.
psi: "it's an award for the decent aspirations of the world's people..."
That may be the most asinine thing I've read all day. Decent aspirations of the world's people???
Are you running for office?
I'm sure b.o. has a czar appointment for you, because you talk but say NOTHING.
Jen: Hey psi, living your life as a hysterical liberal who defends a vacuous president with no real achievments makes no sense, but it doesn't stop you.
Hey, Jen, you apparently don’t know how hysterical your hostility above sounds.
The Norwegian Nobel committee “stressed that it made its decision based on Mr. Obama’s actual efforts toward nuclear disarmament as well as American engagement with the world relying more on diplomacy and dialogue.”
Frogburger has a tight grasp on all things American. Small errors in grammar are just that
He said it was spelling; you contradict, saying it’s grammar. You my have a tighter grasp on it (I think it was confusion of verb conjugations) but, if he is concerned about communicating well, he needs to improve his proofreading
However, defending liberalism is a lapse in character, and I don't see how one can recover from that.
It is a lapse in character to stubbornly believe it is not legitimate for anyone to be a liberal in America.
psi: "it's an award for the decent aspirations of the world's people...”
That may be the most asinine thing I've read all day. Decent aspirations of the world's people???
Are you running for office?
I'm sure b.o. has a czar appointment for you, because you talk but say NOTHING..
I said: “It is a victory for the decent aspirations of the world’s people, one that may help to some degree in implementing them.”
As you misquote me, it makes no sense.
In context, it does make sense. Obama said he would “accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the challenges of the 21st century.” The respect that the Nobel Peace Prize conferred on a controversial figure like Martin Luther King could also work for Obama in his perilous international labors. Liberals will hope that it does, while, for rightwing extremists, the award will just multiply their hostility toward him and their attacks on him.
A group of European socialists hand an undeserved award to a man that has accomplished absolutely nothing save being a socialist himself. It's amusing to watch liberals embrace this phony award so much. They don't embrace it because they feel that it was earned, no! Even they know better than that. They embrace it because it confirms that it pays to throw the USA under the bus at every turn. Man is 2010 gonna come as a shock to these drones. I, for one, can't wait to watch the smug elitest snobs get their azzes handed to them. Say hello to the Noble Peace Prize libs, but be ready to say goodbye to any power.
Unfortunately this just exposed the prize for what it truly is , a political farce. Plain and simple it has proven conservatives were correct about this so called prize all along. And it should really offend the ones who won it.......... besides Carter, Arafat and others
"Well, Froggy, learn. English is a less regular language than French."
Maybe I should have said error of inattention but I was being sarcastic. Because I'm actually a good speller when ADD doesn'get in the way. I was also self deprecating to make you feel good, psiko 07.
"Most Americans feel they are participants in the Great American Experiment: Government of the people."
That's exactly what I meant when I say I was proud to be an American for the values, and not the President. So thank you for reinforcing my point of view. Unfortunately this principles is highly degraded these days whether it's been the Neo-Cons or the socialo-marxist like Obama.
"According to polls around the world, the policies of the last president tarnished the vision that people had previously had of America."
Ha, polls! People love Americans around the world. Maybe not the American superpower, but they love the people and what America represents the most: a unique experiment of freedom. Why does everybody want to come here, even some of my French socialist friends?? Mickey Mouse?
"It’s an oversimplification to assume personal life and national identity cannot be separated. "
You're the one who oversimplifies. Additionally you contradict yourself since your goons talk about how national identity should not get in the way. We should be world citizens these days they say. Or maybe you're a nationalist lefty?
I'm a Libertarian so I am not focused on a national identity but an identify defined by principles. This is why I am here in the US. Because it embodies my principles and I recognize myself in the way it was created and in the way the Constitution has created those principles.
"And, just as surely, every government must have leaders, who, in a democracy, should act in the interests of the public. "
Yes leaders to do the job, but not necessarily elected leaders who are put on a pedestal in a messaiah-like fashion. The Nobel prize shows how your kind is totally void of critical spirit. Even Obama was humbled and was not that proud. The guy was nominated 2 weeks after his election.
In addition, are you sure leaders in the US act in the interest of the country or the lobbies? I laughed at this one. Sounded like a nice class you learned in school. People on the left are like teenagers that haven't grown up and are in constant state of denial.
"When the cooperation of other nations is necessary to achieve success in addressing international problems, the rightwing penchant for equating all diplomacy to Munich or Versailles is a hindrance."
I don't equate all diplomacy to Munich. I equate a pattern of appeasement with evil people to Munich. I also equate the current times to the 30s based on the financial, moral crisis and the tension with countries that could blow up anytimes. International cooperation is necessary if it can be efficient. But if it cannot be at some point a country, whatever it is, has to serve its interests, whether it is the interest of the people (good) or the lobbies (bad).
Also I'm not sure why you throw Versailles in there. Traite de Versailles in 1919 was way different from 1928. So go back to History books.
Ducky: "Who's next, Michele Bachmann?"
This is going to ruin your day, I'm sure, but more important thaan Michele Bachmann, insofar as your comments about the relevance of the Nobel Peace Prize is concerned I agree with you.
This whole thing is the biggest farce ever perpetrated on the world stage of awards.
Huh? ...for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples,"
Uh...I thought the word, "extraordinary" meant something above or outside the ordinary.
What has Obama done above or outside the ordinary?
Oh, that's right. he makes good speeches. About peace.
Wait a minute.
If that's their criteria, I am qualified to win the Nobel peace prize. I can talk about peace, too.
And I could use the 1.2 mil more.
One more thing:
How long do you suppose it will take for Obama to start reminding everyone he won the Nobel prize as often as he reminds us he's the president?
If the Nobel Committee chooses to attempt to demean Albert Schweitzer and Mother Theresa, who should WE be to argue with them? If you ask me, we make a grave mistake when we lend the "awarders of prizes" seriousness by thinking that it's the award, and not that deeds behind the award, that conferred any real "merit" upon an honoree. Albert Schweitzer and Mother Theresa are just as honorable today as they every were. The Nobel Prize, on the other hand...
Some Obama apologist named Williams was on C-Spin this AM -- a real mealy-mouthed, owl-eyed, prissy-voiced, "well-meaning" academic theoretician who has probably never fried an egg for himself much less dug a ditch or planted a tree -- was trying to sell the idea that it was really the AMERICAN PEOPLE who won the "Piece-Prize" (pun intended) for electing America's First Black President. Obama received the award because he is a "Symbol" for the "Progress" Americans have made in moving beyond their shameful racist, bigoted, selfish, exploitative, socially-retarded, disgustingly greedy past.
Now, he didn't use exactly those words, but that's what he MEANT, I'm sure.
It's un-effing-be-LIEV-a ble what these crypto-Marxist types are able to conjure up to try to excuse or explain away their incredible folly.
The worst thing about it is their indubitable SINCERITY in pushing this horrific agenda. Most of them really BELIEVE the destructive twaddle with which their professors indoctrinated them. I KNOW this to be true, because I have known some of these people since toddlerhood. They earnestly and self-righteously work to betray and undermine every principle on which this nation was founded, and all the core beliefs of their immigrant ancestors, parents, Sunday School and elementary school teachers.
~ FreeThinke
A true heroine acting to preserve the education of women and women rights in Afghanistan , doesn't get the NPP? Democracy and freedom fighters in Iran...don't get the prize either?
People who have really sacrificed all and have dedicated their lives to that cause..who have "walked the walk"...and Obammy gets it for his..."talk the talk"? For his aspirations?
Bammy's sacrifices? What...a pack of Marlboros?
Shameful.
psi. You do have the freedom and right to be a liberal in America. I just think that defending those values shows lack of character on your part. That's MY right as an American.
I'm not here to oppress you. I'm glad that you have the freedom to speak your mind. I pray that we can all continue to enjoy that freedom.
Aw Jen. You're not here to oppress PSI? Darn, I was so hoping.......
Pris
“The Nobel committee is preaching at Americans, but they won’t be deceived,” says Bolton.
Thanks Duck! This is the smartest thing I've heard on the subject, & it articulates the twisting in my gut that I couldn't quite put my finger on...We're being lectured in a a#$-backward, tongue in cheek kind of way.
Funny thing is, BHO doesn't realize or recognize it. He really thinks it's about HIM. (But, of course.) If he really did get it he would, indeed, "refuse the prize and show some folks he has a pair." Bravo! Well said!
Great post, here, Z! I always love to hear your & Mr. Z's take on things. You have a great international perspective. Love it!
"Well, Froggy, learn. English is a less regular language than French.”
Maybe I should have said error of inattention but I was being sarcastic. Because I'm actually a good speller when ADD doesn'get in the way. I was also self deprecating to make you feel good, psiko 07.
I was being sarcastic, too, M. Crapaud. Your English is fantastic. I am sure the efforts you make to overcome your ADD to communicate with others are heroic
BTW, I don’t feel good at all when someone brutally mutilates English.
"Most Americans feel they are participants in the Great American Experiment: Government of the people.”
That's exactly what I meant when I say I was proud to be an American for the values, and not the President. So thank you for reinforcing my point of view. Unfortunately this principles is highly degraded these days whether it's been the Neo-Cons or the socialo-marxist like Obama.
So, then, when you said, “I feel proud for achievements, not participation,” you did not mean you weren’t proud of participation in the Great American Experiment. I’m awfully glad you cleared that up for the blogosphere.
“or the socialo-marxist like Obama?” No extreme rightwinger in the U.S. says ‘socialo-marxist” when referring to Obama. They will say socialist, or Marxist, or socialist/Marxist, or social-Marxist, or socio-Marxist. Put that in your alleged tight grasp of all things American. Politico-social, or socio-political, but not socialo-political.
"According to polls around the world, the policies of the last president tarnished the vision that people had previously had of America.”
Ha, polls! People love Americans around the world. Maybe not the American superpower, but they love the people and what America represents the most: a unique experiment of freedom.
Polls----those are collected data that rightwingers respect when they show Obama losing points and ridicule when they give evidence of what rightwingers don’t want to hear. It’s good that you distinguish between the nation of America and the people of America. I was speaking of the former.
Why does everybody want to come here, even some of my French socialist friends?? Mickey Mouse.
That is an entirely different question. I believe it’s for the Nathan’s hot dogs. But some may be coming for les cheap bleu jeans. I don’t think the illegal immigrants and the legal ones are necessarily endorsing U.S. foreign policy.
"It’s an oversimplification to assume personal life and national identity cannot be separated.”
You're the one who oversimplifies. Additionally you contradict yourself since your goons talk about how national identity should not get in the way. We should be world citizens these days they say. Or maybe you're a nationalist lefty?
You oversimplify when you assume that individual identity is irreconcilable with national identity. People are psychologically more complex than you imagine.
When liberals talk of national identity not getting in the way, they mean that excessive nationalism should not thwart positive steps toward international cooperation to achieve common goals of benefit to all.
I'm a Libertarian so I am not focused on a national identity but an identify defined by principles. This is why I am here in the US. Because it embodies my principles and I recognize myself in the way it was created and in the way the Constitution has created those principles.
A liberal also defines his identity on the basis of political principles, and recognizes the founding principles of the U.S., guaranteed in the Constitution, as the supreme embodiment of liberal concerns.
"And, just as surely, every government must have leaders, who, in a democracy, should act in the interests of the public.”
Concluded
Yes leaders to do the job, but not necessarily elected leaders who are put on a pedestal in a messaiah-like fashion.
Rightwing contentions notwithstanding, liberals are opposed to idolizing leaders. There is no lack of criticism of Obama from the left. But, of course, they don’t say he’s a terrorist or a traitor or a moron, or anti-American, as some rightwing extremists have said of him.
I remember when criticism of the president (during the Bush years) was called anti-American by rightwingers.
The Nobel prize shows how your kind is totally void of critical spirit. Even Obama was humbled and was not that proud. The guy was nominated 2 weeks after his election.
But the vote did not occur until recently, and the Nobel committee said they did consider his subsequent performance in office. Although rightwingers disdain previous Nobel Peace laureates, Obama was right to feel humbled by the company the award put him in. As Chris Wallace said on Fox, Obama’s humble response was exactly right. The right shows itself devoid of critical spirit when it widely accepts the canard promoted by Limbaugh that the award was based on his first eleven days in office.
In addition, are you sure leaders in the US act in the interest of the country or the lobbies? I laughed at this one. Sounded like a nice class you learned in school. People on the left are like teenagers that haven't grown up and are in constant state of denial.
People on the right often read what they expect to see, not what is written. Laugh at your slipshod reading skill. I said democratic leaders should act in the interests of the public, not that they do. As most Americans know, lobbies have corrupted much of the practice of government.
"When the cooperation of other nations is necessary to achieve success in addressing international problems, the rightwing penchant for equating all diplomacy to Munich or Versailles is a hindrance.”
I don't equate all diplomacy to Munich. I equate a pattern of appeasement with evil people to Munich. I also equate the current times to the 30s based on the financial, moral crisis and the tension with countries that could blow up anytimes[sic]. International cooperation is necessary if it can be efficient. But if it cannot be at some point a country, whatever it is, has to serve its interests, whether it is the interest of the people (good) or the lobbies (bad)
I didn’t say that you do, but there is, as I said, a rightwing penchant (evident in the blogosphere) to equate to Munich any U.S. diplomacy with adversaries. These folks show a liking for bombing first and unconditional diplomacy after.
I don’t agree with your oversimplication that all lobbies are bad. Most are, but some aren’t. For instance, I don’t think AIPAC and AARP are bad,
Also I'm not sure why you throw Versailles in there. Traite de Versailles in 1919 was way different from 1928. So go back to History books.
The Treaty of Versailles is a (history) textbook example of a treaty that failed and laid the seeds for the next world war. It was concluded after six months of diplomatic negotiation.
Since then, world affairs have become both more sophisticated and more complex.
Jen: psi. You do have the freedom and right to be a liberal in America. I just think that defending those values shows lack of character on your part. That's MY right as an American.
Of course, it is your right. I don’t dispute that.
The belief that liberalism is ontologically illegitimate is evidence of rightwing extremism’s irrational character----if I were to say that, I’m sure you would support my right to say it.
I'm not here to oppress you. I'm glad that you have the freedom to speak your mind. I pray that we can all continue to enjoy that freedom.
You can try to oppress me or impress me or depress me, as you wish. I, too, am glad I have the freedom to speak my mind, as others here do. I hope I can continue to enjoy that freedom here, as others do.
LOL!
The Left IS ontologically illegitimate. Always PROGRESSING TOWARDS BECOMING in NOT BEING!
Sounds like ex post facto credentialing. Not to mention some pre-emptive election meddling.
But it fits their recent track record.
Gobachev (over Reagan???)
Rigoberta Menchu, a leftist fraud
Yassar Arafat
Jimmy Carter (later admitted chosen to irritate Bush in '02)
Mohamed ElBaradei (for failing to detect covert nuclear programs perhaps??)
FJ: The Left IS ontologically illegitimate. Always PROGRESSING TOWARDS BECOMING in NOT BEING!
Liberalism IS ontologically legitimate----always PROGRESSING TOWARDS BECOMING into BEING FULLY.
Somewhat like Socrates’ concept of anamnesis.
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