Read THIS................you will be glad you did.
I had another post ready for today...........I canceled it. You need to read Mustang's excellent piece on America and the spiral dooowwwwnnn.
it's that good. (the thinking/writing)
it's that horrible. (the situation in America)
Z
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Thank you Mustang, Please watch This video it says it all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfXSQoXnaFs
On Sunday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Tea Partiers and our allies “legislative arsonists.” Not be left out, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid soon called us “anarchists.” Before mid-week had passed, Congressman Peter King ( had joined in the fun, using the word “terrorists” to describe Senator Ted Cruz and his allies.
Soldiers attending a pre-deployment briefing at Fort Hood say they were told that evangelical Christians and members of the Tea Party were a threat to the nation and that any soldier donating to those groups would be subjected to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Respondents identifying themselves as conservatives placed a much higher value on loyalty, respect, and purity ...
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General Jack D. Ripper: ... I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Political Chic, thanks...i'll watch that when I get home tonight.
Looking for Answers: Imagine if Republicans said anything CLOSE to that?
I was just watching some of the Website hearings on Obamacare...poor Democrats so inappropriately keep taking their question time to tout Obamacare instead of ask questions.
They're so desperate and embarrassing.
Ducky...you're losing your grip and becoming even more transparent.
So, Ducky … are you telling us that a full measure of your understanding of the real world originates from a few lines of a fictional story, from a dialogue intended to be humorous and entertaining, produced entirely by left-wing whackos? I’m quite certain that your statement could lead a mental health professional to conclude that you are seriously detached from reality. Well, but this isn’t a new problem with you, is it?
by the way, EVERYONE;
We're hearing Obama's starting his immigration reform push tomorrow; get it? Get how that will speak OVER the health care fiasco?
Do you see what's happening again?
A new big problem everyone will be freshly yelling about from both sides as healthcare takes a back seat alongside Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc etc?
GET IT?
No, z, I have a secure grasp.
I particularly enjoy mustang's contention that the migrants in The Grapes of Wrath didn't try to take are of each other. Absolute nonsense.
It's his same schtick. The left are all communists and want to take all your stuff and give it to minorities.
Pure rubbish.
Oh, my GOSH...
hearing the TV hearings in the other room; now the Dems on the panel are slamming the GOP before they ask the panel their questions, suggesting that they're only trying to scare people from signing up ... that they fought against this act "why are they now trying to make it work by questioning what went wrong?"
The Dems are using THAT PLOY to befuddle Americans into forgetting HOW MUCH MONEY HAS BEEN WASTED ON THE WEBSITES and how the GOP (and anybody who THINKS) SHOULD be concerned about that.
it's UNBELIEVABLE and I highly recommend you watch if you can.
It's important to see the lack of dignity.
Ducky; you need to read more carefully:
"They didn’t find it, by the way, as attested to by John Steinbeck’s novels of this Era. In the second group, however, people within their communities came together; they reached out for one another. They struggled, and persisted, and ultimately, they survived."
No, z, he is incorrect.
Hoover decided to charity would extricate us from the Great Depression. It did not.
Mustang's history is lacking and in this case it became very clear that a wider government action was necessary.
I realize that is anathema to the right but you have to face facts at some point.
@Z:
"We're hearing Obama's starting his immigration reform push tomorrow..."
We're definitely headed for one party rule and will join the likes of Cuba, Iran, Saudi's, China, NK and "democratic" Russia!
There is a solution though.
Ducky, I’m sorry to say that you reveal your ignorance of US history. Do yourself a favor and read something other than Zinn.
Fact: the stock market crash occurred 8 months after Hoover’s inauguration. Fact: Hoover ignored the advice of his Treasury Secretary and made an effort to form partnerships with businesses to curtail the effects of the economic collapse. Fact: Roosevelt ended up taking Hoover’s ABC programs and expanded on them. Fact: Hoover’s protectionist policies did more harm than good (Mexican repatriation and Hawley-Smoot). Fact: Hoover’s reconstruction finance effort was the forerunner of Obama’s stimulus, (with the same exact results). Fact: Hoover had moderate success in 1932 in curtailing mortgage foreclosures. Fact: Hoover raised taxes across the board and was assaulted by Roosevelt for doing so … and then once elected, Roosevelt embraced every one of Hoover’s tax and spend policies. Fact: Rexford Tugwell gave credit to Herbert Hoover for every one of Roosevelt’s New Deal policies. Fact: Neither Hoover or Roosevelt did one good thing to end the economic crisis of the late 1920s and 1930s.
You are a man without a clue. Get one.
Our problem in this country is people just like Ducky who are incapable of learning any lessons from history. So I suppose we shall just have to repeat them ad nausea.
@Mustang
Another very fine article, sir. I cannot thank you enough.
But if i could make just one point, i think you have not sufficiently addressed one theme, one problem, that for me at least lies at the heart of all this: the problem of few vs. many*. I know what some might say, that it does not represent the American way [of thinking], that it is another one of those foreign implants — another way in which progressives have succeeded in undermining the ethos, the culture of this once great country. But that would be taking a very simplistic view of things — and of history.
For, the fact is the theme is endemic to the West; it runs through its entire history, in one form or another — “progressivism” is but one such form, a mere “symptom” of the problem rather than the problem itself — and unless we find a foolproof way of dealing with it, of rendering it “harmless”, as it were, i am afraid “the great American experiment” is doomed — regardless of what its original attitude towards it may have been, whether it even constituted a “problem” for it or not.
As it is — in its originary form — it is woefully inadequate to do so; its ‘ethic’ is far from “spiritual”, as you have made it out to be, and much more “traditional”. But traditional modes of ethics won’t do; what is called for is a radical ethic, an ethic of an other life [vie autre], as represented by several spiritual movements in Christianity that developed during the middle ages, nu nudum Christum sequentes; by Ancient Cynicism; by modern revolutionary life, etc.
These were some of the points i wanted to make. And could i thank you again for such a pleasurable read? Thanks.
* I have used the most generic “term” even though, historically, it has been “interpreted” variously: the dichotomy between “the best” and “the worst”; between “the rich” and “the poor”; etc.
~Trojan Horse
@ Trojan Horse
Thank you for your thought-provoking comments. I will consider carefully what you have written here today.
Above: ...in its originary form [as well as the present]...
P.S. When i say "modern revolutionary life", i do not mean either a life in a secret society, or such state ideologies as Marxism, communism, etc., but something entirely different. What i mean? This would take another long post; so let it be suffice to say that Checkhov's "My Life" presents a very close descritpion of it. Thanks. :)
~T.H.
Thanks you, sir. I will await your response.
~ T.H.
Mustang, none of that has anything to do with Hoover's belief that charity would alleviate the effects of the depression.
By the way, what do you mean when you say we have to maintain our purity?
@ Ducky
You apparently have a reading comprehension problem. What you will discover is actually written are these words: “In one study, for example, social scientists learned that self-identified progressives placed a higher value on government institutions and social equality than on such factors as loyalty to one’s country, respect for others, and wholesomeness. Respondents identifying themselves as conservatives placed a much higher value on loyalty, respect, and purity, while placing less value on government largesse and social equality. “
If you need someone to read this to you, that’s okay. We’ll wait. However, those were not my words. They were the terminology used in the study. In the context used however, and after being slapped on the side of the head with a 2x4, I would assume they were speaking about wholesomeness.
Mustang, none of that has anything to do with Hoover's belief that charity would alleviate the effects of the depression.
Hoover once said, “Given the chance to go forward with the policies of the last eight years, we shall soon with the help of God, be in in sight of the day when poverty will be banished from this nation.” He promised, “We in America today are nearer to that final triumph over poverty than ever before in the history of this land.”
When Hoover entered the presidency, it was his plan to reform the regulatory system imposed by the communist Wilson. He saw himself as a reformer, and the presidency as a vehicle for improving conditions among Americans by fostering public-private cooperation. He called this “volunteerism.” He believed that volunteerism was preferable to government coercion or intervention, which opposes American ideals of individualism and self-reliance.
But I can understand why you would oppose Hoover and rely on your Leftists for Dummies talking points to perpetuate a false narrative.
Citation: Leuchtenburg, William E. “The Wrong Man at the Wrong Time,” American Heritage Press, 2009
Yeah, mustang, "in one study".
You want to name the study and the source.
Care to put up?
Yup, one study supports mustang's notions so that pretty much seals it.
Stunning.
With a sample that small it isn't even worthwhile revealing you imagined authoritative study.
You can always tell when you threaten a lib's reality - they quack! Repeatedly and with as much significance as static on a phone line ...
Great post Mustang and Z!
~ Will
The sinking sucking sound you hear is the approval rating of the GOP. Lol!
FROM GEEEZ: (Z)
Um..Ducky..it says ONE STUDY. CALM DOWN. How do you mean "seals it"..Mustang's writing his OPINION and ONE STUDY backs it up, probably at least one study. It's a term in writing.."in ONE STUDY"....My GOD, you keep the Right to this standard your left wouldn't dream of achieving. You are so transparent.
My goodness..YOU'RE WINNING, DUCKY, why the anger and outrage?
Lib's right..the GOP is going down, no matter that the left's numbers suck, too, of course, because Libmann will never hear that...And as the GOP goes down, the country's going down but, sshhhh...Libmann doesn't get it.
I hope you all watched the hearings this morning/ it was positively laughable to see the lib panel freaking out with HUGE protestations of HOW WONDERFUL Obamacare is every time they had to ask a question.
I'm hearing of so many people's insurance going UP and small businesses suffering...but the left has letters saying they've signed up and THANK YOU, LEFTIES>.I NEED ENTITLEMENT! oy
A terrific and thoughtful post! Read it twice, and still ruminating on it. Thanks for sending me the heads up.
Lefties tend to - as group and in general - value equality (and not the kind Colonel Colt brings). Traditional American thought values freedom. 'Equality' will find a reason to trump freedom every time, and will if freedom sits down on the job. Then we'll all be slaves. Equally.
Bayside...beautifully said.
Would that they'd listen.
@Z:
"Mustang's writing his OPINION and ONE STUDY backs it up..."
A lib would only say...."from an unnamed or anonymous source".
@Z ---
Um..Ducky..it says ONE STUDY. CALM DOWN. How do you mean "seals it"
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I have noticed that many here tend to be sarcasm challenged.
Of course it proves nothing and is even less meaningful when it isn't sourced.
Just more of the , conservatives are good godly capitalists and liberals are godless communists meme.
It's all nonsense of course.
I don't have accounts for any of the variable ways to log in at Mustang's site, so I'll leave my comment here.
Yes, not doubt. Not to minimalize Mustang's words, but Yea, we're on the path. The downward spiral path.
So, my thought is that no problem can be solved before it is completely understood. We have too many people supportive of the media (main problem) and misdirected into thinking that the game is Red vs Blue to make me think that a substantive number of people understand the problem to the point that progress can be made.
Z, Get it? Yes, Wash, Rinse Repeat.
IMP, We currently, and Have Had One Party rule for at least a few decades now.
Me at 7:47. Meant to say a substantive number of people do Not understand the problem.
@Kid:
"Have Had One Party rule for at least a few decades now..."
Not how I see it friend...once they completely destroy any opposition and relegate 50% or more of the voting population to a meaningless exercise in futility...and where their vote is useless in any manner as to shape the outcome or direction of the country...they'll have succeeded in their goal.
Which is..ONE party rule. When they get 20 million more idiot parasites to salivate over the box of goodies that are dangled before them...tax breaks, tax rebates, medical care, EBT, O care subsidies, unlimited welfare and countless other freebies provided by no less that 90 government agencies...we will succumb and surrender to the barbarians.
They're here...so are we...and the shit has hardly begun.
In other words....middle America is completely fucked and subjugated. Sorry Z.
This makes ducky drool...salivate and probably...well...choke his little chicken.
IMP, I'm saying IMO, the repubs are no different than the dems, other than they're mostly better looking and in a few other ways more palatable. They Seem to be more pro-America, but in actual practice, fall short, way short. Nada helpful.
I agree with the rest of your comments.
And yea,if you're a tax paying middle class person more or less, you are at the Bottom of the food chain.
@Mustang
Sorry to interrupt the conversation, but if i could make just one correction:
Above i spoke of Chekhov's "My life" in trying to explain what i meant by "revolutionary life" — but while the text is rather pertinent to the point i was trying to make, concerning other life [and i would recommend it to anyone who is interested in such topics], it is far from being a good description of "revolutionary life".
I think i may be a little afraid to say what i really mean by the term, lest people should form wrong conclusions. [The problem is mine, not theirs.] Anyway. It's not as if there will be no more opportunities to discuss these themes again, i look forward to them. Au revoir.
~Trojan Horse.
Mustang, your article is terrific, and so meaningful. Brilliant!
I'm like Kid, I don't have any of those accounts either, so I too, will congratulate you on your thoughts and Patriotism.
All of us who agree with you understand that America is in deep trouble. You spelled it all out very clearly. All I will add is, I pray for divine intervention.
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