Friday, July 13, 2012

No wonder Pelosi said you can't know about the law until it's passed....

By Henry Blodget of Business Insider:
Well, Obamacare is now official, which means that a lot more people in the United States will have health insurance.  And it also means a lot more people will be paying more taxes.
(You didn't think Obamacare was free, did you?)  HERE is the full article.
Here are some of the new taxes you're going to have to pay to pay for Obamacare:
  • A 3.8% surtax on "investment income" when your adjusted gross income is more than $200,000 ($250,000 for joint-filers). What is "investment income?" Dividends, interest, rent, capital gains, annuities, house sales, partnerships, etc. Taxes on dividends will rise from 15% to 18.8%--if Congress extends the Bush tax cuts. If Congress does not extend the Bush tax cuts, taxes on dividends will rise from 15% to a shocking 43.8%. (WSJ)
  • A 0.9% surtax on Medicare taxes for those making $200,000 or more ($250,000 joint). You already pay Medicare tax of 1.45%, and your employer pays another 1.45% for you (unless you're self-employed, in which case you pay the whole 2.9% yourself). Next year, your Medicare bill will be 2.35%. (WSJ)
  • Flexible Spending Account contributions will be capped at $2,500. Currently, there is no tax-related limit on how much you can set aside pre-tax to pay for medical expenses. Next year, there will be. If you have been socking away, say, $10,000 in your FSA to pay medical bills, you'll have to cut that to $2,500. (ATR.org)
  • The itemized-deduction hurdle for medical expenses is going up to 10% of adjusted gross income. Right now, any medical expenses over 7.5% of AGI are deductible. Next year, that hurdle will be 10%. (ATR.org)
  • The penalty on non-medical withdrawals from Healthcare Savings Accounts is now 20% instead of 10%.  That's twice the penalty that applies to annuities, IRAs, and other tax-free vehicles. (ATR.org)
  • A tax of 10% on indoor tanning services. This has been in place for two years, since the summer of 2010. (ATR.org)
  • A 40% tax on "Cadillac Health Care Plans" starting in 2018.Those whose employers pay for all or most of comprehensive healthcare plans (costing $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for families) will have to pay a 40% tax on the amount their employer pays. The 2018 start date is said to have been a gift to unions, which often have comprehensive plans. (ATR.org)
  • A"Medicine Cabinet Tax" that eliminates the ability to pay for over-the-counter medicines from a pre-tax Flexible Spending Account. This started in January 2011. (ATR.org)
  • A "penalty" tax for those who don't buy health insurance. This will phase in from 2014-2016. It will range from $695 per person to about $4,700 per person, depending on your income. (More details here.)
  • A tax on medical devices costing more than $100.  Starting in 2013, medical device manufacturers will have to pay a 2.3% excise tax on medical equipment. This is expected to raise the cost of medical procedures. (Breitbart.com)
So those are some of the new taxes you'll be paying that will help pay for Obamacare.  Any big ones I've missed?   Note that these taxes are both "progressive" (aimed at rich people) and "regressive" (aimed at the middle class and poor people). The big ones--the 3.8% investment income hike and the Medicare tax increase--only hit you if you're making more than $200,000 a year. The rest hit you no matter how much you're making.  (End of article  written by Henry Blodget, for BUSINESS INSIDER)
Z: More facts and quite a good article on the taxes are available HERE.

"This is not a tax,"  Barack Hussein Obama, 2012.  At least not until his lawyers argued it WAS a tax to the Supreme Court. 

z

46 comments:

Elmers Brother said...

The whole thing has been one big lie.

-FJ said...

I guess that if you like your existing health plan, you CAN keep it, just so long as you pay the extra 40% in taxes...

Always On Watch said...

A 40% tax on "Cadillac Health Care Plans" starting in 2018.Those whose employers pay for all or most of comprehensive healthcare plans (costing $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for families) will have to pay a 40% tax on the amount their employer pays.

Does that apply to government jobs too?

Actually, I hope that it does -- sooner, even. THEN people will see ObamaCare for what it is!

Case in point....Those who work for this county (teachers, biologists, etc., etc.) pay less than $100/individual/month for health insurance coverage, less than $200/month for family coverage of the Cadillac type. The rest of the premium is covered by the government, that is, MY tax dollars. Under the change described here, an individual would be paying (premium and tax) $400/month. Get it? It will from, let's say, $100/month to $400/month -- and that is the amount only if the premiums do not rise, which they will.

THE ROAD TO SERFDOM FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTRY!

I don't know what federal workers pay. Anybody here know that figure?

Always On Watch said...

Z and a few others,
As we've been discussing elsewhere (Shhhhh!), what the hell are people going to do???

Elmers Brother said...

Tricare costs about $500 a yr

Brooke said...

This is a big shit sandwich, and we're all going to have to take a bite.

Well, except for the elitists like Obama, Pelosi, and the like. THEY'LL be exempt, of course.

conservativesonfire said...

I f Congress were subject to all the laws they impose on us, we wouldn't have so many stupid laws.

FairWitness said...

Good morning Z, get the little 3.8% on home sales tax? That's $11,400 on the sale of a $300,000 house, $7,600 on a $200,000 house. Think about all those homeowners who are already owe more than their houses are worth. ObamaCare will totally destroy an already damaged housing market.

Question: What the HELL does selling a home have to do with paying for healthcare?

The tax on so-called "Cadillac Health Insurance Plans" is ludicrous. In the small company we own, we pay 100% of the premiums for all full-time employees and probably 30% of spouses and children. Our plan has low deductibles and small copays because we want healthy employees. They are more productive if they're healthy. They will all be paying that %40 tax if ObamaCare is not repealed because we are currently paying in excess of that $10,200 per employee. A Cadillac plan evidently is ANY decent coverage health plan provided by an employer.

Nothing is going to improve for anybody except those who currently have no coverage. Everyone else, well over 80% of the country, will be see increased costs and decreased quality of care.

Question: What is it about Barack Obama that he has no concern for the majority of Americans who are doing their part to contribute to the country while taking care of themselves?

President Obama ONLY cares about people at the bottom who contribute nothing and in fact, detract from the national productivity. He doesn't value the productive. I don't understand that.

Pris said...

I had read sometime back that muslims are exempt as well. I don't see that in the info of the article. Or did I miss something?

"Well, except for the elitists like Obama, Pelosi, and the like. THEY'LL be exempt, of course."

Brooke, you got that right!
Of course the Congress is exempt too. That isn't mentioned either!


This whole thing is a power grab, designed to have control of the people. The administration and politicians are after control and power and couldn't care less about our health.

All of this is to designed to drive up private insurance costs, so employers will have to drop those whom they now cover, and lo and behold, they'll have to run to govt. healthcare because there will be nowhere else to go!

Surprised? Not me! Btw, the rationing board was passed in the Stimulus package, under the radar.

Z said...

Elbro, you're right..
And FJ's comment is about the biggest lie, and the one which will affect me (and a LOT of you) the worst:

Obama's HUGEST lie was "If you like your insurance now, you can keep it"

The truth is it won't exist; What company can survive if they're offering the 'apples' of excellent care at a slightly higher price top their employees versus the 'oranges' of government's very very questionable care which people THINK is going to cost less?
Companies will have to go with the gov't and Obama knows that, who doesn't? If many employers dump Blue SHield, for example (and who wouldn't if it costs less and they still think the care will be good?), I've got no insurance. I insure myself but, let's face it, private insurance is mostly shored up by employers.

AOW...I hope we get an answer to the gov't jobs...good point.
And yes, what ARE we going to do?

I saw my doc yesterday ... he said docs are worried but TRULY don't know exactly what's going to happen EXCEPT that the doctors will be seeing MANY more patients (when many more are insured in this country with a doc shortage) and getting paid WHAT?? THey don't know.

Brooke... probably exempt, yes.


FairWitness...yes "Question: What the HELL does selling a home have to do with paying for healthcare?"

That one hit me a little odd, too...and still nobody's asking 'WHAT?"

Pris, muslims are supposedly exempt because they don't like the idea of insurance, or something.
Are they exempt from paying CAR INSURANCE? no

If Palin hadn't originally called it a DEATH PANEL, we'd have been able to criticize that a LOT harder....as it is, she used that term and the media went off on her (and us by association) and we've not been able to really drive that home. It IS a death panel, but it wasn't what she should have said.

Pris said...

"If Palin hadn't originally called it a DEATH PANEL, we'd have been able to criticize that a LOT harder....as it is, she used that term and the media went off on her (and us by association) and we've not been able to really drive that home. It IS a death panel, but it wasn't what she should have said."

Z, I understand what you mean, and appreciate that thought, but I like people to say what they really believe and the real truth.

I've come to believe that regardless of the connotation of a remark, the far left will raise another lie. We might as well say it as we see it, because if we don't, we lose the truth in the process. But, that's just me.

Bob said...

I have nothing against the concept of universally available health care. It makes sense for those who are out of work, and those who cannot work such as severely handicapped people.

Old people have a problem, too, and that's the reason for Medicare. Strangely, Obama and the Democrats are attacking Medicare by ripping $#500 Billion out of the system to pay for their abominable ACA.

It is an obvious start to killing off Medicare and forcing EVERYBODY to Medicaid. One program will be for everybody, it seems.

There are simpler and better ways to furnish health care services to those who cannot afford them. My favorite solution is a voucher system for HMO memberships for the indigent and infirm.

The infrastructure is already in existence, and the best check writing service in the world, The Social Security Administration, can handle the qualifying and vouching functions.

Instead, we get socialized medicine which is delivering bad health care services around the world.

Z said...

Pris, Yes, as we all know, a Dem can say about anything and get away with it and a Rep can't....
but this is such an important part of the health care mess and we can't discuss it!
Part of that's our fault, too...the Republicans need to get the message out more clearly and loudly. It would have been better to leave the 'death' part out and hammered the facts home.

Without 80% of the media telling our side, too (and characterizing it with the same respect and adoration they give the left), who's hearing the truth?

When my doc's doctor friends don't know what's going on YET with this health care bill, as he said yesterday to me, we've got big problems.

Z said...

Bob " My favorite solution is a voucher system for HMO memberships for the indigent and infirm."

I'm no expert particularly when it comes to HMO's, etc., can you be more specific?
Do you mean that the indigent and infirm would get a check and they can spend it as they see fit?
If the government BAD PLAN is the cheapest still, won't they go there anyway?

Liberalmann said...
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Liberalmann said...

8 common myths about health insurance reform

1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
2. We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.
7. You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

Learn more and get details:
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck
http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/realitycheck/faq

Liberalmann said...

8 Reasons We Need Health Insurance Reform Now

1. Coverage Denied to Millions: A recent national survey estimated that 12.6 million non-elderly adults – 36 percent of those who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market – were in fact discriminated against because of a pre-existing condition in the previous three years or dropped from coverage when they became seriously ill. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/den ... index.html
2. Less Care for More Costs: With each passing year, Americans are paying more for health care coverage. Employer-sponsored health insurance premiums have nearly doubled since 2000, a rate three times faster than wages. In 2008, the average premium for a family plan purchased through an employer was $12,680, nearly the annual earnings of a full-time minimum wage job. Americans pay more than ever for health insurance, but get less coverage. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hid ... index.html
3. Roadblocks to Care for Women: Women’s reproductive health requires more regular contact with health care providers, including yearly pap smears, mammograms, and obstetric care. Women are also more likely to report fair or poor health than men (9.5% versus 9.0%). While rates of chronic conditions such as diabetes and high blood pressure are similar to men, women are twice as likely to suffer from headaches and are more likely to experience joint, back or neck pain. These chronic conditions often require regular and frequent treatment and follow-up care. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/women/index.html
4. Hard Times in the Heartland: Throughout rural America, there are nearly 50 million people who face challenges in accessing health care. The past several decades have consistently shown higher rates of poverty, mortality, uninsurance, and limited access to a primary health care provider in rural areas. With the recent economic downturn, there is potential for an increase in many of the health disparities and access concerns that are already elevated in rural communities. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/hardtimes
5. Small Businesses Struggle to Provide Health Coverage: Nearly one-third of the uninsured – 13 million people – are employees of firms with less than 100 workers. From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. Much of this decline stems from small business. The percentage of small businesses offering coverage dropped from 68% to 59%, while large firms held stable at 99%. About a third of such workers in firms with fewer than 50 employees obtain insurance through a spouse. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/helpbottomline
6. The Tragedies are Personal: Half of all personal bankruptcies are at least partly the result of medical expenses. The typical elderly couple may have to save nearly $300,000 to pay for health costs not covered by Medicare alone. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/inaction
7. Diminishing Access to Care: From 2000 to 2007, the proportion of non-elderly Americans covered by employer-based health insurance fell from 66% to 61%. An estimated 87 million people - one in every three Americans under the age of 65 - were uninsured at some point in 2007 and 2008. More than 80% of the uninsured are in working families. Learn more: http://www.healthreform.gov/reports/ina ... index.html

8. The Trends are Troubling: Without reform, health care costs will continue to skyrocket unabated, putting unbearable strain on families, businesses, and state and federal government budgets. Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance - projections suggest that this number will rise to about 72 million in 2040 in the absence of reform. Learn more: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/assets/docume ... Report.pdf

Liberalmann said...

Wow, all the lies of ObamaCare in one place. Thanks! I'll pass this around as what NOT to believe from wingnuts.

Health Insurance Reform Reality Check

8 ways reform provides security and stability to those with or without coverage

1. Ends Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions: Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
2. Ends Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays: Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
3. Ends Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care: Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
4. Ends Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill: Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.
5. Ends Gender Discrimination: Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
6. Ends Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage: Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
7. Extends Coverage for Young Adults: Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
8. Guarantees Insurance Renewal: Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

Learn more and get details: http://www.WhiteHouse.gov/health-insura ... otections/

Z said...

Thanks, Liberalmann, very glad the White House agrees with Obama Care.

Good job.

They agree Hlder shouldn't be investigated (by his own people), too.
thanks for the enlightenment..
gee, none of us had EVER heard all of this!

You'll have to try it at a less informed blog.
You DO understand that Republicans do agree with some of it, right?

No, probably not :-)

Ticker said...

Trouble with fools like Libturd is that they never take time to read the bill and understand it. They only listen to the BS of the few "good items" it contains but fail to know of the real BS that it contains. '
I've read the entire bill plus all the little "rabbit paths" that are in the bill that screw the people royally.

Wake up libturd and get educated.

sue hanes said...

Z - Good cartoon!!!!

Hope you have a safe Friday the 13th!

Always On Watch said...

I see that Liberalman has copied and pasted to this site something that he copied and pasted at my site a few days ago. I deconstructed some of what he said HERE.

Z said...

AOW, I see that the end is Libmann's surmisal that a good case for the plan was made at your blog? !
You can't make HIM up.

Yes, he cuts/pastes..and he probably gets these from his pay masters.

Good deconstruction, but the left still doesn't get it because they don't understand most Americans want FREEDOM OF ALL CHOICES< not just the choice to kill their babies.

Liberalmann said...

If only all your mothers had made that 'choice'

Z said...

Lib..I'm leaving this so all my good readers can see what you wrote. Otherwise, I'd delete you.

This is the TYPICAL LIBERAL; as mean and ugly as it gets.

Funny, when I opened this page right now, I actually was thinking I'm getting really tired of fighting with people and need to pull back the rhetoric.

I keep forgetting...........

Elmers Brother said...

Z libdude has no shame, posing as himself is just plain weird

Z said...

and a not a little sick, Elbro.

copy/paste, copy/paste....$$$
that, too.

FreeThinke said...

Good for you for laying out all that information so neatly in one place, Z.

I have already copied and pasted it into a file "for future reference."

Except for the 3.8% surtax on the sale of our homes -- this, I presume, in ADDITION to capital gains taxes and realtor commissions -- most of this seems to affect only those with incomes of more than 250K per annum.

No one I know -- I especially ;-) -- am in that august category or anywhere near it, so it's easy to be lulled into a false sense of security. The REAL threat is that this heinous bill has opened the door to ever-increasing encroachments on our personal fiscal integrity.

It may sound weird, but I am very glad I am drawing close to the end of my life. I've already passed the three-score-and-ten mark. If I'm lucky, I may have another ten or fifteen years left, but at the rate things are deteriorating -- with the full compliance of the Republican Party Establishment I must add -- I'm not sure I want to see for myself the inevitable results of our incredible folly. If we don't turn The Good Ship America around -- and SOON –– we're certain to run aground.

Thanks again for the comprehensive list.

~ FreeThinke

Bunkerville said...

We need to become Amish. They are exempt.

Z said...

Bob, that's right...the Amish are supposedly exempt, too.

I say we all declare ourselves AMISH. (I like the furniture immensely, not too hot on the clothing!)

FT...very complimentary. thanks.

Liberalmann said...

Liberalmann said...

If only all your mothers had made that 'choice'

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Click the name this imposter joined this month. I joined January. This imposter is another shameless wingnut.

Kid said...

You realize that unions and muslims are all exempt.

You realize that businesses can pay the penalty fine and be Way better off kicking their employees into the gubmint plan.

Some companies will choose to not kick their employees to the curb, but not enough to keep private insurers in business.

End result=everyone is on the government plan, and all the HC money that used to go to insurers is re-routed thru DC, the original and Only intention of this evil POS bill.

la dee daa deee daaa dee da.

dick franks said...

God please help me... I'm loosing it.

Liberalmann said...

8 common myths about health insurance reform

1. Reform will stop "rationing" - not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a "government takeover" of health care or lead to "rationing." To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
2. We can’t afford reform: It's the status quo we can't afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
3. Reform would encourage "euthanasia": It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
4. Vets' health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans' access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President's budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
5. Reform will benefit small business - not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
6. Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare "doughnut" hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.
7. You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
8. No, government will not do anything with your bank account: It is an absurd myth that government will be in charge of your bank accounts. Health insurance reform will simplify administration, making it easier and more convenient for you to pay bills in a method that you choose. Just like paying a phone bill or a utility bill, you can pay by traditional check, or by a direct electronic payment. And forms will be standardized so they will be easier to understand. The choice is up to you – and the same rules of privacy will apply as they do for all other electronic payments that people make.

dick franks said...

I'm Liberalmann's boyfriend.. someone please help me...
He's got me chained to a PC in the basement. He makes me scour the net for liberal talking points. He won't feed me if he's not happy with my finds.

It's cold down here too. I don't think he pays the utility bills. The food isn't very good either. It looks used. he always says he tried a bite or two, but I don't know. I think he's dumpster diving..
I'm worried about my health.

Elmers Brother said...

Liberaldude, the president threatened to not sign the defense authorization because Congress didn't include increases in premiums to Veterans healthcare (Tricare). He's trying to raise veterams put of pocket expenses by as much ad 345%! Republican House members have been trying to stop him. He hasn't been hiding this so your assertion is BS. Read for yourself

http://freebeacon.com/the-war-on-tricare/

Elmers Brother said...

Liberaldufus, To be treated at the VA liberaldude a veteran must undergo a means test.

Elmers Brother said...

and here's at least 22,000 people who have lost their insurance due to Obamacare

Elmers Brother said...

and Obama's own economist admits that there will be death panels

Always On Watch said...

Z,
I made the case about health INSURANCE reforms needed for a long time -- even before Mr. AOW fell ill.

ObamaCare does address a few of the necessary reforms. However, the overall effect of ObamaCare is to worsen the bureaucratic expenses, which will be passed along to the consumers, that is, all taxpayers. Clearly, ObamaCare is collectivist in orientation. And we all know how collectivism has turned out over the past century, right?

Liberalmann said...

Elmers Brother said...

and here's at least 22,000 people who have lost their insurance due to Obamacare
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Total lie. the article says: "

22,000 senior citizens just lost their health plan with Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, which dropped its Medicare Advantage Program due to "cuts in Medicare" that "are being used to fund national health care reform."

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That's becasue Obamacare is dropping Medicare Advantage with is a privately maintained for profit version of Medicare, and going back to straight Medicare which if is not profit driven. That's where these people will go. That's were they were before Medicare Advantage.

That's where the GOP gets their lie that Obama cutting Medicaid by 4500 billion. He's not, he's getting rid of the wasteful spending under the Advantage plan and putting it back in Medicare where it belongs.

Nice try. But try getting the facts.

Right Wing Theocrat said...

The whole thing has been a shameless lie from the beginning and it will remain so until the west runs out of money. Healthcare is never free and never will be, nothing ever is, you either pay more in tax or in lost freedom. Mind you, the leftard way is you pay more in tax and lose more freedom.

Elmers Brother said...

You didn't even read the article. The Examiner is no righty newspaper and didn't even mention Medicare advantage. Neither does it mention that their insurance coverage was replaced with anything, in fact it says that Obamacare increased Medicare costs due to mandates. The article confirms several lies about Obacare, keeping your insurance plan, costs decreasing, keeping your insurance and Medicare.

Elmers Brother said...

And since when has he been interested on cutting the cost of anything? Seen the debt and deficit numbers?

Elmers Brother said...

Here's a CBO Report that shows 4 million people who lost their insurance due to Obamacare.

Liberalmann said...

Yeah, tell that to the 30 million kids who are covered under their parents health care. Tell that to those who's lives have already been saved becasue insurance companies can't drop them or deny coverage.

This article is speculative and false:

"The article says: "It’s not clear how many of the 4 million would be forced out as a result of employers dropping coverage. But it can be assumed that many will indeed lose their insurance."

Yeah, reeeal convincing BS.

Small business will be receiving big incentives to keep their employees insured and those who are under Medicare Advantage will be moving to regular Medicare which saves billions.