Tuesday, March 25, 2014

Wisconsin's uncomfortable....God can't be SEEN or READ.

Wisconsin atheists are incensed.  Have you heard about THIS?   One morning, Governor Scott Walker did his own private devotional and read "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me," from Philippians and posted it on a Tweet.  Do you find that verse "braggadocio?"   The atheists are saying that verse sounds like a 'threat.'  Do you?  Can a politician with strong beliefs use something one day which appealed to him and which he wanted to share?

Your thoughts?   And please read the link before commenting!  It really helps.  Thanks,

That was supposed to be my post for today, but about 15 minutes after I wrote it, a friend sent me the following.   Should that statue now be taken down because an atheist might find out and demand it?  And should we give in?

When all had gathered around, he reverently began to speak. (Here are his words that night.)

'My name is James Bradley and I'm from Antigo, Wisconsin . My dad is on that statue, and I wrote a book called 'Flags of Our Fathers'. It is the story of the six boys you see behind me.

'Six boys raised the flag. The first guy putting the pole in the ground is Harlon Block. Harlon was an all-state football player. He enlisted in the Marine Corps with all the senior members of his football team.. They were off to play another type of game. A game called 'War.' But it didn't turn out to be a game. Harlon, at the age of 21, died with his intestines in his hands. I don't say that to gross you out, I say that because there are people who stand in front of this statue and talk about the glory of war. You guys need to know that most of the boys in Iwo Jima were 17, 18, and 19 years old - and it was so hard that the ones who did make it home never even would talk to their families about it.

(He pointed to the statue) 'You see this next guy? That's Rene Gagnon fromNew Hampshire. If you took Rene's helmet off at the moment this photo was taken and looked in the webbing of that helmet, you would find a photograph...a photograph of his girlfriend Rene put that in there for protection because he was scared. He was 18 years old. It was just boys who won the battle of Iwo Jima . Boys. Not old men.

'The next guy here, the third guy in this tableau, was Sergeant Mike Strank. Mike is my hero. He was the hero of all these guys. They called him the 'old man' because he was so old. He was already 24. When Mike would motivate his boys in training camp, he didn't say, 'Let's go kill some Japanese' or 'Let's die for our country' He knew he was talking to little boys.. Instead he would say, 'You do what I say, and I'll get you home to your mothers.'

'The last guy on this side of the statue is Ira Hayes, a Pima Indian from Arizona . Ira Hayes was one of them who lived to walk off Iwo Jima . He went into the White House with my dad. President Truman told him, 'You're a hero' He told reporters, 'How can I feel like a hero when 250 of my buddies hit the island with me and only 27 of us walked off alive?'

So you take your class at school, 250 of you spending a year together having fun, doing everything together. Then all 250 of you hit the beach, but only 27 of your classmates walk off alive. That was Ira Hayes. He had images of horror in his mind. Ira Hayes carried the pain home with him and eventually died dead drunk, face down, drowned in a very shallow puddle, at the age of 32 (ten years after this picture was taken).

'The next guy, going around the statue, is Franklin Sousley from Hilltop, Kentucky . A fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. His best friend, who is now 70, told me, 'Yeah, you know, we took two cows up on the porch of the Hilltop General Store. Then we strung wire across the stairs so the cows couldn't get down. Then we fed them Epsom salts. Those cows crapped all night.' Yes, he was a fun-lovin' hillbilly boy. Franklin died on Iwo Jima at the age of 19. When the telegram came to tell his mother that he was dead, it went to the Hilltop General Store. A barefoot boy ran that telegram up to his mother's farm. The neighbors could hear her scream all night and into the morning. Those neighbors lived a quarter of a mile away.

'The next guy, as we continue to go around the statue, is my dad, John Bradley, from Antigo, Wisconsin , where I was raised. My dad lived until 1994, but he would never give interviews. When Walter Cronkite's producers or the New York Times would call, we were trained as little kids to say 'No, I'm sorry, sir, my dad's not here. He is in Canada fishing. No, there is no phone there, sir. No, we don't know when he is coming back.' My dad never fished or even went to Canada . Usually, he was sitting there right at the table eating his Campbell 's soup. But we had to tell the press that he was out fishing. He didn't want to talk to the press.


'You see, like Ira Hayes, my dad didn't see himself as a hero. Everyone thinks these guys are heroes, 'cause they are in a photo and on a monument. My dad knew better. He was a medic. John Bradley from Wisconsin was a combat caregiver. On Iwo Jima he probably held over 200 boys as they died. And when boys died on Iwo Jima , they writhed and screamed, without any medication or help with the pain.

'When I was a little boy, my third grade teacher told me that my dad was a hero. When I went home and told my dad that, he looked at me and said, 'I want you always to remember that the heroes of Iwo Jima are the guys who did not come back. Did NOT come back.'


'So that's the story about six nice young boys.. Three died on Iwo Jima , and three came back as national heroes. Overall, 7,000 boys died on Iwo Jima in the worst battle in the history of the Marine Corps. My voice is giving out, so I will end here. Thank you for your time.'

Suddenly, the monument wasn't just a big old piece of metal with a flag sticking out of the top. It came to life before our eyes with the heartfelt words of a son who did indeed have a father who was a hero. Maybe not a hero for the reasons most people would believe, but a hero nonetheless.

Let us never forget from the Revolutionary War to the current War on Terrorism and all the wars in-between that sacrifice was made for our freedom...please pray for our troops.

Remember to pray praises for this great country of ours and also ...please pray for our troops still in murderous places around the world.

REMINDER: Everyday that you can wake up free, it's going to be a great day.

One thing I learned while on tour with my 8th grade students in DC that is not mentioned here is . . that if you look at the statue very closely and count the number of 'hands' raising the flag, there are 13. When the man who made the statue was asked why there were 13, he simply said the 13th hand was the hand of God.


z


72 comments:

Ed Bonderenka said...

Let's distinguish between atheists who shrug, wonder about us, and move on, and those who want to force their atheism on us, much like they think we want to shove our "religion" on them
To those who would say their are no atheists who fear us doing that, I offer the once popular movie "The Handmaid's Tale".
Their are atheists like C.I. who wish us no harm, but want to maintain that fictional "Wall of Separation", and those whose political affiliation demands them to attack us on all fronts, including our religious belief and it's expression in the public square.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Ed - I'm not an Atheist. I think the State should defend religious liberty, but show preferentialism for none.

Always On Watch said...

remove posts from his official Facebook and Twitter feeds

I suppose that the keyword is official.

How about if the Leftards quit promoting their "religion" -- or their atheism -- on their official pages?

And here's another thing: Aren't social media pages free and, therefore, not funded by the state (taxpayers)?

Ed Bonderenka said...

@CI: My bad.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Ed - No worries. I realize that it can easily seem that I am.

Ed Bonderenka said...

I'm starting a pool.
I'll take 216 comments today.

Sam Huntington said...

The United States has a lot of simple-minded people; Annie Gaylor and Dan Baker are two of them. Public officials are not required to give up their religion—nor can they even do that. It isn’t something you “give up.” It is, rather, who you are.

As for the Iwo Jima monument—I have never met anyone who served in actual combat who is an atheist. Remember, if simple-minded atheists had their way, every memorial, and every tombstone in every cemetery from coast to coast would be taken down—presumably because it offends them that other people believe something that they do not believe. Typical leftists, if you ask me. It is either their way, or the highway.

They can go to hell.

Duckys here said...

@Sam -- Remember, if simple-minded atheists had their way, every memorial, and every tombstone in every cemetery from coast to coast would be taken down

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Utterly insane. Get a grip.

Linda said...

I think Gov. Walker should keep the reference on his page! Why do the Atheists try so hard to make us quit in believing in our God? They are terrified of Him!

The Iwo Jima story brought tears to my eyes. My dad was in WW II, and very rarely told us anything about it.

Thank you!

Anonymous said...

The atheists that want to impose their beliefs are just another bunch of religious extremists. IF there are no religions, what's left? the State? The great collective. Yikes.

FrogBurger

JonBerg said...

FrogBurger

"IF there are no religions, what's left? the State?"


Haven't you noticed? That's exactly where we are headed. God help us!

Baysider said...

Braggadocio? Hah! It's the essence of humility. Is it a 'threat'? Well, not in the traditional way. But let me illustrate with a story.

My co-worker Jim was a reasonable man with strong political interests. A Scoop Jackson Democrat, his active mind supported democracy with vigor. But he privately commented to me that 'theoretically, if we could get the right man, what would really work best would be a benevolent dictactorship.' I agreed 'if the right man' were available and casually commented 'fortunately He is, and He plans to come back and take over eventually.' Jim exploded 'no, absolutely not! I reject that! Anything but that!'

So, dear readers, is He a threat? Apparently, in this context.

Baysider said...

Ducky might soften his comment to Sam if he lived through the LA County fight to remove a tiny, barely visible cross from the county seal. The seal had a broad collection of icons that represent the county's history. The biggest icon was a pagan goddess that riveted attention. You barely noticed the cross unless you carefully examined every element.

But the ACLU trumpeted the shopworn 'establishment clause' violation and agreeable commissars quickly ducked behind that for cover to remove the cross. Yah, the City of the Angels, founded under the cross of the Roman Catholic church. Now gone.

The joke at the time time was they would go after all san serif typefaces lest an offending cross-like 't' be seen in county documents. What's next? A new name for the Sacrament-o River? Don't be surprised!

Fred Baron said...

Doesn't surprise me. Atheists are unstable people, lashing out at those around them because they have some kind of mean daddy hangup.

Duckys here said...

Baysider stop the straw arguments.

Removing a cross from a public building that serves non Christians, as much as you would like to deny them, is hardly equivalent to removing all tombstones from cemeteries.

Really, I know that the right has trouble suppressing their feelings and using reason but you should know a straw man when you propose one.

Z said...

Ducky...I beg your pardon, but do you honestly not see Baysider's point?
I'm wondering if anybody caught that the pagan goddess stays? WHY?

Fred, It's so curious that they simply can't look away...some say they get headaches and dyspepsia looking at the cross that the workmen wanted up at the 911 site....the metal rebar that formed a cross and gave solace to so many of the recovery workers those first days after the attacks. I suppose the atheists are none too happy that small, very old church remained standing in spite of the fact that huge buildings came down all around it. Yes, it makes them ILL :-)

When we're all this uptight about anything that's been around for years and didn't seem to worry anybody or cause any kind of establishment clause problems, one wonders 'why now?', how'd seeing a cross, anything about Christ, become illness-provoking? :-) WHy can't they take it! grow UP!

Z said...

http://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/candace-cameron-bure-says-her-life-revolves-around-180000129-us-weekly.html;_ylt=AwrBTzxMzTFTV10AsN1XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0ZWxxbDA5BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDM1OF8x

Candace Bure apparently told the audience of Dancing with the Stars that her life revolves around Christ and the audience went wild with applause.
Think that should have been bleeped out of the telecast?
I have met Candace and her family several times and they all walk the walk. For those who know who he is, she's Kirk Cameron's sister, by the way.

Z said...

Ed, by the way, I couldn't agree with you more about atheists who have the dignity and calm to just shrug, wonder and move on....

Rita said...

Candace is Kirk's sister? I never realized that. I did catch the part where she indicated she would not participate or dress is a too provocative fashion. She said she was a sexual being, but didn't need to display provocative images. Well it was something to that effect. I was impressed with her resolution.

Z said...

Hi Rita...yes she is.
Her daughter Natasha is a sweetie pie....And Candice is quite nice... her husband is VERY CUTE :-) Very Nordic looking...Russian.

And yes, she's Kirk's sister!

I thought the way she handled it was SO GREAT because people need to understand that because a woman wants to hold on to some decorum and dress beautifully but not sexually doesn't mean she isn't sexual and doesn't enjoy sex with her husband. Ya, I agree with you....she didn't take the creepy "I'd never DO THAT!" road...she's a real person who happens to have faith and lives by it...and lives fully!
Imagine the place exploding with applause when she said she's a Christian? Holy smoke.

I guess atheists will regard her as subversive and VERY dangerous now :-)

Duckys here said...

Well, z, they are still fighting like children over the seal.
I believe that the pagan goddess of agriculture was removed along with the cross in favor of a generic native American figure.

I can see this is clearly the first step towards removing all religious icons from cemeteries, right?

This idea that Christians are discriminated against in America has barely a germ of truth and is really quite ludicrous.

Mustang said...

Ducky can deny the facts all he wants, but it doesn’t change them. Fact: atheists are demanding that a memorial cross be removed from a military installation. I’m thinking that maybe ducky should keep quiet if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It is, at least, the surest way to avoid looking like a complete idiot. Now, if these people can demand removal of crosses from military bases, what is to keep them from making similar demands at national cemeteries, which are also government property? Or even the removal of chapels form military bases. Or even doing away with military chaplains ...

Z said...

Mustang, HOW many stories have I done about people anxious to rid America of anything that smacks of Christianity? 50? 70?

After that, it should be hard for any thinking human being to bury one's head in the sand unless one really NEEDS to.

for some reason.

I still can't understand why things that haven't scared people for 250 years are suddenly so unacceptable?
It's almost like secular society's done this TO get Christians to speak out....and then they turn the Christians into nutty zealots. Sort of Alinksy-esque.

Impertinent said...

@Mustang:


It appears that the Air Force Academy cadets are in full revolt over that stuff.

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"how'd seeing a cross, anything about Christ, become illness-provoking?"


Wait until these assclowns see the star and crescent on a flag pole.

Anonymous said...

Removing signs of religion in a military cemetery is total disrespect for the men and women who fell. If a soldier is an atheist then he can have a tomb that shows no sign of religion. It was beautiful to see tombs with the cross or thew Jewish star at Omaha Beach.

How complicated is that?

FrogBurger

Kid said...

Atheists and other niche groups bleeting about everything all the time, makes me uncomfortable and sometimes incensed. Like when wanda kaka for brains sykes starts bleeting I get incensed quickly, but I change the channel. That's what one does in a free society. I don't file a lawsuit to get her to shut up.

Ok, she's not a public figure yet. Substitute baba boxer then if that floats your boat. or any other democrat that say stuff all the time that Actually Does Threaten My Liberty. Like guns, taxes, etc.

How does Scott's tweet threaten anyone ? Is the gnat for brains athiest afraid Scott is going to make him do something religious, hold him hostage while verbalizing 'religious things' ? Who knows. The athiest needs to shut up and change the channel.

And conversly, why can we sue jackson and sharptone back to the stonage for the constant maximum offensive crap they spew all day/year long?

Again, nothing more than idiots showing their bloomers in public.
We need to start suing athiests for getting in our faces.

Kid said...

ED, 157 for $1000. Just kidding on the money.

Kid said...

A Big PS and very closely related to this post. You might be surprised just how much.. The Military Channel will begin showing a documentary series on The Nazis starting April 2.

If you're interested in what I'm talking about, I suggest you pay particular attention to the sections dealing with propaganda. If you have an open mind, you will be Amazed how much it parallels America after 2002.

Z said...

Imp; think those complaining about the cross will have the guts to complain about the star and crescent? Nope..see that's cool and hip and enlightened, right? :-)

FrogBurger, Normandy, with the crosses and stars of David, is a GORGEOUS site, so respectful and beautiful.

Kid, I hope I remember that...just marked my calendar to be sure. My German son is here so maybe we'll watch it.
Poor Stepson is so 'done' with anybody speaking out in Germany against the freeloaders and being called NAZI. It's so unfair. They simply can't complain and even conservatives here pile it on Germany for not getting their welfare act straight? They CAN'T.
too much condemnation if they try...and they have legitimate reasons for trying.... Some day, I'll have my stepson write a piece for geeeez. Eyes will fall out at what's going on there.

Anyway; Yes, the parallels are spooky. There are times when I think "All we need is Leni Riefenstahl recording all this stuff through photos and we're all set"

Duckys here said...

Well, mustang, you seem to have confused cemeteries with memorials.

Don't know which case you are referring to. The Mount Soledad memorial? I believe that suit was brought by a Jewish American veterans group.

If you can point to an instance where the removal of a religious symbol from a grave site has occurred, please post.

Bob said...

I am always interested in whatever self-created people have to say. Self-created is the way I think of atheists. To my limited way of thinking, there are only three ways for creation to happen.

1. We have been created by God.
2. We have created ourselves.
3. Our creation came about through a gigantic random interaction of quarks, bosons, and an infinity of other quantum particles.

Now, I don't believe in random, and I doubt if most people do. After all, we live in a causal world, i.e., there is a cause for every effect.

Those who criticize Governor Walker are most likely of the self-created sort, or people who haven't made it to the critical thinking stage.

If there are any atheists reading this blog, I would love to hear their version of creation, or some version of random chemicals, water, and lightning that fits their vision of The Beginning.

Maybe they believe in space aliens...

Duckys here said...
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Duckys here said...

Bob, surely you've heard of the Big Bang.

But that's not the issue. The question of how we determine God's nature is very much alive.
You can believe it is revealed and I wouldn't argue with you.
Clearly it has been revealed in a number of manifestations.

As for man creating himself?
Are you referring to creating his own meaning?
Try Buddha or Christ or the Tao or Sartre. But don't try to tell people you have a definitive answer.

Impertinent said...

“Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life.

So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

Z said...

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/22/atheist-group-demands-cross-be-removed-from-marine-base/

There's more.

Everybody; we're talking here about a governor including a Bible verse on a Tweet this morning.

Are you incensed? Think Atheists are right? Do Atheists even read a Republican's morning tweet? :)

Ducky, we don't need your "Surely you've heard..." You're no brighter than anybody here and it's constant and it's grating on most of us. Thanks.

By the way "if they had their way," and "what is to keep them from..." are not saying ANYTHING about done deals of atheists having demanded and got crosses off cemeteries. Though they actually have. Please stick to the comments ..

Z said...

Imp? What's with you and Tyson, anyway?!!!!

Jack Whyte said...

Gee ducky, what are tombstones and cemeteries if not memorials? It is true, I suppose ... that it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his entire viewpoint depends upon him not understanding anything.

Kid said...

IMP, it sure surprises me NOT that we are made up of the very same chemicals one finds in our universe.

It also surprises me NOT that our DNA resembles the DNA OF OTHER CARBON BASED LIFE FORMS ON THE SAME ROCK!!!!!
lalalala la laaa dee da

Duckys here said...

Jack, you forgot the corpses. Makes a difference, no?

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"What's with you and Tyson.."

One of the most celebrated and favorites of all the atheists and doubters. They think him a god. One of their gods.

Because you know they don't have just one, don't you?

Kid said...

IMP, Yea, I just have a basic problem with people who are "Because I can't see it or prove it mathematically, I won't even consider it." - WHich is how I'd describe Tyson and Sagan types. I like Sagan, but view this as a limitation.

Einstien on the other hand refused to totally discount a God, believing instead that 'modern man' doesn't know everything there is to know. That's how I'd describe myself. That is supported by the fact that the more I know, the more I know I don't know. Maybe libtards stop learning? I'm thinking yes. Important things anyway.

Bob said...
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Bob said...

ob said...

Blogger Duckys here said...

" Bob, surely you've heard of the Big Bang."

Duck: I don't have a problem with the Big Bang. The problem there is that we are still left with questions, currently not answerable.

"But that's not the issue. The question of how we determine God's nature is very much alive."

D: I believe I understand what you are saying. However, I believe the question is much more basic, i.e., not so much God's nature, but does He physically exist.

" You can believe it is revealed and I wouldn't argue with you.
Clearly it has been revealed in a number of manifestations."

I'm not sure what you mean, but I may differ on this point.


"As for man creating himself?
Are you referring to creating his own meaning?"

No. Physical creation. How did that happen?

"Try Buddha or Christ or the Tao or Sartre. But don't try to tell people you have a definitive answer."

Yes. I have a definitive answer, and I don't have to sever heads, nor do I have to threaten others' rights to talk about it.

I am not sure where you come down on the God thing. Perhaps you are a pantheist, i.e., God is in everything.

TS/WS said...

Hobby Lobby has a daunting task at hand.
The Gov saying that if the Supreme Court says that Hobby Lobby wins--it could effect a whole spectrum of Gov Programs. [What a Defense?]
[Scare tactics.]
Will the Supreme Court bow to public opinion like Health Care or Bow to the Constitution?
Will our Religious Freedoms be diminished for the Greater good (Health Care for All/Abortion for ALL).
It is in the Power of the Black Robes -5to4 6to3 7to2 or 4to5 in favor of the Greater Good, NOT FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM Favor
.
"But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."
---George Washington---

Lisa said...

Z- your comment regarding a Crescent and star being hip and cool to libs is so true. They also see it as diverse.In reality they should be more insulted because that symbol represents the real war on women and gays.
The atheists and the libs never condemn the oppressive religion. I find that so ironic.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Way back to Baysider.
They'd like a perfect ruler, but not too perfect.
They loved the "Man of the Future", Benito Mussolini, a womanizer, dictator.
But a compassionate perfect Man who would die for them?
Not if He didn't agree with their foibles, ie murdering babies, cheating on spouses, etc.

JonBerg said...

Atheists and Libs are NEVER happy and live in a state of constant, chronic discontent. That's why they are "Atheists and Libs"!

Kid said...

JonBerg, Wisdom beyond description

Lisa said...

lol

JonBerg said...

Thanks Kid but I think that it's pretty obvious that those folks are about little more than an [equal] distribution of the misery that they seem to be trapped in perpetuity!

Z said...

I hate to say it, Baysider and Ed, but I, too, for YEARS, have said that what our country needs is a benevolent dictator. Certainly now, when no sides can agree on ANYTHING, it could help.
The problem is that he'd have to hold MY views :-) Right?!! heh

Lisa...the Crescent and Moon are thought to be 'cool' and they'd be killing gays as fast as they could. That's lost on the VERY 'cool' Lefties, right?

Bob, I hope you saw my Sunday Faith Blog about the Big Bang, basically; very informative...very faith-building.

TS/WS...Yes, the Supreme Court will bow to the lefties. When is that Hobby Lobby decision coming?
Did you see Beckel arguing that that company is FOR PROFIT as if he was saying HAD MALARIA? It's astonishing that leftists ACTUALLY are against FOR PROFIT IN AMERICA.
What don't these IDIOTS get??? And I don't use the term IDIOT lightly, believe me.

Talking about...those people...did you hear Obama in Europe today? IS HE FOR REAL? We're in HIS HANDS? OH MY GOD!

Z said...

JB and KID...
I have NO problem with atheists and what they believe (or DO NOT believe)...and I don't think you do, either, right?
But the fact that WE don't care WHAT they believe or think and they are so vehemently against what WE believe is so telling. So damning ON them.
What kind of self control do those people have when they're so mightily against SEEING something? then "DON'T LOOK!" geeeeeZ

Lisa...great link!

Imp; my point isn't who Tyson is; just wondered why you've quoted from him so often as if you admire him!? I see you're making a sort of point......
I say "Tyson, believe what YOU want, I'll believe what I WANT...you leave ME alone, I'll leave YOU alone," Right?! :-)

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"That's lost on the VERY 'cool' Lefties, right?"


Tsk, tsk Z...you're being judgmental now...can't do that or exercise logic now...you must go with your...feelings.

Kid said...

Lisa, Great article. If I may add, it's obvious to me that the most unhappy people are all those on the dole. Relying on social security, welfare, WIC, etc They are seriously unhappy, and I think the cause is that they know life will Never get any better for them.

Those of us who are working have at least a silly idea that our efforts will result in a better life in the future. For many it most certainly will. And true happiness only comes from hard work and accomplishment.

The welfare people are denied that and I think they realize that too. But they're too weak, so they sit around and bitch instead.

Kid said...

Sorry JonBerg, just more insane wisdom from you.

Libtards, instead of doing the things we do to make ourselves happy. Hard work, self-accountability, choose instead to equalize the misery by working ever so hard to destroy those things that allow US to be happy. Working healthcare system, capitalism, etc. You can see their pecker tracks all over this one right? It's why they move from destroyed countries to the US then start working in earnest to destroy the US. They don't want to be happy, they only want equal misery.

Kid said...

Z, FOr You I will repeat. Many unhappy people don't want to get happy. They only want equalized Unhappiness. JonBerg is a genius

Impertinent said...

@Kid...


Sharing the wisdom I see?

Kid said...

IMP. Seems to make sense eh?

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


Purrrrrrrrrr fect sense.

Kid said...

IMP. That does it, I'm gonna go pet a cat now.

Impertinent said...

@Kid:


ipso facto....????

JonBerg said...

Z,

"I have NO problem with atheists and what they believe (or DO NOT believe)...and I don't think you do, either, right?"

But for the fact that they constantly try to obstruct my Christian Faith, I could ignore them completely. No I don't care what "they believe (or DO NOT believe)", per se but I certainly don't appreciate their eternal, overt campaign against Christianity!

Impertinent said...

@Z:


They're not worth a bucket of cat piss.

Kid said...

IMP, Exactly, In fact, I'm in a quantum state right now.

TS/WS said...

Hobby Lobby vs. Gov Abortion Health Care Pills, arguments started today.
Then after they hear enough it will be a few months maybe, before a Statement from The Court of Supremes.
Like I commented above- the Gov is whimpering about this case could bring down the Social Security Act, EPA, Dept of Edu., and several other Gov Programs.

Impertinent said...

OT...But I just came across this great quote:

"Islam is the single most awful ideology ever vomited out of the bowels of our pestilential human history. With its racism, its genocidal mania, and its apocalyptically relentless violence, Islam remains a unique distillation of human evil, the devil's masterpiece."

Pretty spot on to me.

Impertinent said...

@TS/WS:

"it will be a few months maybe, before a Statement from The Court of Supremes..."


The Supremes make their decisions public in June.

TS/WS said...

Yea a few months.
And it maybe the Act by the People that forces the commies to order the O to suspend the Constitution for the Good of The People

Baysider said...

It's been a long day. No chance to follow up on this until now.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cemetery+headstones&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=_U8yU-y_F4jdoATxmIGIAw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1017&bih=539

THAT is a Google search of headstones from all over. Notice what they generally have in common: a creepy little reminder of religion that a very few want to see banished from public sight.

Ergo, Sam's comment about the potential for a demand to take down headstones. Not far fetched at all. Remember why the Israeli's moved their people lock, stock and cemetery out of Gaza before the Palestinians could desecrate their graves? Graves are a historic target and could/will be again.

As for the LA County seal: when they removed the cross because of the lawsuit specifically complaining about the cross, they made a few other changes. The goddess Pomona morphed into a native woman and the oil derrick went. None of these were because of the lawsuit - only the cross. The lawsuit targeted the Christian foundation of the town. Period.

Z said...

Rita, check this paragraph from a Yahoo article on what we discussed earlier

"One of the story lines bubbling just below the surface of Dancing With the Stars with this season is whether or not we'll see Candace Cameron-Bure flash the polarizing brand of Christianity her brother adheres to. We got a taste of it last night."

"The POLARIZING BRAND!?" I think that's code for "THE ONE THAT GETS MENTIONED OUT LOUD?" HAA

Rita said...

How DARE she say she will take a stand according to her own beliefs? Off with her head.