This is a piece written by GeeeeeZ contributor and commenter, Priscilla, also a very dear friend. I know you'll be just as appalled by this information as she and I are. Here's Pris's take on it (and Mark Steyn's):Appeasement: 1. An appeasing or being appeased. 2.The policy of giving in to the demands of a hostile or aggressive power in the attempt to keep the peace. (New World Dictionary)
Political Correctness: See appeasement. (Pris)
The excerpt below is an example of how far we've come in our war against Jihad. You can read the entire article HERE. It seems for our country to have suffered deadly attacks from radical Islam, there are those especially who are highly "educated" (I use the term loosely) such as doctors, who have decided we must sacrifice our civilized culture and reward those who would destroy America with primitive practices once thought to be confined to tribes which are removed from all civilization.
This is about condoning mutilation of girls, otherwise known as clitoridectomies. This is about acceptance, in America, of this abhorrent procedure. They are calling this a compromise of the full procedure, a "nick". How thoughtful isn't it? Just partial mutilation.
This turn of events is absolutely shocking. That this could possibly be permitted by law in America, is unconscionable. If muslims are in a bind because we won't permit it here, let them go back to where they came from. What a primitive mindset these people have.
Are we to regress into becoming savages before we realize that being civilized is a thing of the past? To appease people of a culture so removed from our own? My God. IMO, this has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with misogyny or remaining a civilized society. Multiculturalism is a country killer.
By, Pris, who also shares the following by the great Mark Steyn:
" Last week, the American Association of Pediatricians noted that certain, ahem, "immigrant communities" were shipping their daughters overseas to undergo "female genital mutilation." So, in a spirit of multicultural compromise, they decided to amend their previous opposition to the practice: They're not (for the moment) advocating full-scale clitoridectomies, but they are suggesting federal and state laws be changed to permit them to give a "ritual nick" to young girls. A few years back, I thought even fainthearted Western liberals might draw the line at "FGM." After all, it's a key pillar of institutional misogyny in Islam: Its entire purpose is to deny women sexual pleasure. True, many of us hapless Western men find we deny women sexual pleasure without even trying, but we don't demand genital mutilation to guarantee it. On such slender distinctions does civilization rest. Der Spiegel, an impeccably liberal magazine, summed up the remorseless Islamization of Europe in a recent headline: "How Much Allah Can The Old Continent Bear?" Well, what's wrong with a little Allah-lite? The AAP thinks you can hop on the Sharia express and only ride a couple of stops. In such ostensibly minor concessions, the "ritual nick" we're performing is on ourselves. Further cuts will follow." MARK STEYN
Z: Should this be condoned in America just to appease muslims in this country? Why is it that it's only since 9/11 this is coming up? WHAT DO YOU THINK, GeeeeeZ readers??
Thanks, Pris, your opinion is well stated and I hope people wake up!
z
58 comments:
This was a topic on NPR not long ago, as well as a short post at Blunt Politics. In my view, this is a disgrace. The practice is inhumane under any definition you wish to apply to that term; done to young pre-pubescent girls, it constitutes physical and mental abuse of the first order.
It is impossible to imagine the American Pediatric Society would endorse a “ceremonial nick.” Now I heard a law professor from (I think) Chicago University say that the end justifies the means. She said a ceremonial nick is worthwhile if it prevents parents from taking these children taken back to Africa or the Middle East for a more grotesque application of FMG. She said, paraphrasing, “We do this all the time. We know that abstinence is better than sex among teenaged children, but we do issue condoms and birth control pills in middle schools. We know that drugs will kill, yet we issue drug users clean needles.”
Well, she was right about that … but I have to ask, when do one or more wrongs make a right? So nicking a young woman is okay, but spanking a child is “child abuse.” We are getting dumber by the day in this country.
Z, I was just reading about efforts to stop this behavior (Link)
All that comes to mind is the shortest sentence in the Bible, 'Jesus wept.'
All human life comes through women. I am appalled at this horrific practice. It shames me that my gender does this, or allows it to be done.
~ Will
"So nicking a young woman is okay, but spanking a child is “child abuse.” We are getting dumber by the day in this country."
So right you are.
It's the utter lack of logic on the left. Or I should say, their only logic is their loathing for Western and Judeo-Christian ideals. Which would explain that you can kill a foetus and do this to a woman. It's pretty sick.
It's barbaric, Z. It's horrific child abuse and anyone who transports their daughters out of the country to have this atrocity performed should NEVER be let back in the country again.
NO WAY, NO HOW SHOULD THIS BE ALLOWED IN AMERICA!
I am so disgusted!
This is an abomination for America. If these people are coming to America for freedom, then let the girls have the freedom too. Why aren't our 'leaders' standing up against this?
Unfortunately, what I think is unprintable here.
The ever-insightful, ever-controversial veteran commentator Pat Buchanan wrote a book not too long ago called The Death of the West.
Obviously, he was not kidding.
The question is not ARE we committing cultural, political ethnic and religious suicide, but WHY?
Disgusting, discouraging and depraved.
Personally, I think Arab and Iranian Muslim men who insist on polluting Europe and the United States with their odious presence should be required by law to undergo a PENISECTOMY.
~ May B. Yunow
Thank you Z.
Mustang reports -
"Now I heard a law professor from (I think) Chicago University say that the end justifies the means.
She said a ceremonial nick is worthwhile if it prevents parents from taking these children taken back to Africa or the Middle East for a more grotesque application of FMG. She said, paraphrasing, “We do this all the time. We know that abstinence is better than sex among teenaged children, but we do issue condoms and birth control pills in middle schools. We know that drugs will kill, yet we issue drug users clean needles.”"
I would say we shouldn't do this all the time. I figured this attitude you report on would be the justification for allowing this. The fact is, in doing this, one indirectly condones the undesired behavior.
Trying to have it both ways is not possible. To say, "I know this behavior is wrong, but if you want to do this wrong thing, you have my permission." is ludicrous.
If the AAP get's this law passed, it will say something about America. It will say "we don't like it, but wink, wink, nod, nod, it is now part of our American culture". There's no middle ground here. Either it's acceptable or not and it is certainly unAmerican.
It's a step into a barbaric practice tolerated in America, and as Steyn says, "future cuts will follow". If this is allowed, it is a misogynistic practice which is condoned, it's as simple as that.
Remember, this is done to deny females sexual pleasure. IMO, muslim males are so insecure and sexually repressed, as to devalue women to the point they are property to be controlled, and punished for being desireable.
Pris
Circumcision most certainly is a form of genital mutilation. It's an attempt to improve on God's handiwork. It's unnatural. Only in severe cases of phimosis should circumcision take place. The infant has no say in this practice, so it's also a form of child abuse.
May B. Yunow
The point that it is by far the lesser of two evils to have a less brutal procedure done in sterile conditions rather than having it done in Somalia or the like is pretty well taken.
Most of these girls are going to be from the poorest of the third world nations and to think that medical conditions aren't lacking or that the cultural idea (remember, Ethiopian Jews perform this procedure in Israel) is just going to disappear is pretty naive.
The right never seems to be able to form the idea of a dilemma.
I notice that Mark Steyn in his brilliant (sarcasm flag is UP) article mentions the Danish cartoons.
However, since he is an intellectually dishonest punk he doesn't mention that the publishers were initially distressed that the cartoons didn't generate enough controversy. There were some meetings initially with local Muslims who asked that the publishers be more considerate but wouldn't do. Just like Theo van Gogh they decided to push the envelope and generate their own publicity until it broke and they got the notoriety they were after.
But I'm sorry, the far right likes it simple.
Frogburger, how would you handle it?
You think this is something that gets stopped by force?
Just for the heck of it, I will remind this most open minded audience that the practice is CULTURAL and not religious.
It crosses all religions in Africa where it is most common. So carry on and keeping reading Mark Steyn, he's a fount of straight unbigoted (LOL) commentary.
Just for the heck of it, I will remind the close-minded weenie (Duhky) that the practice of FGM is barbaric no matter what its origin.
So carry on, Sluggo … keep reading your relativist propaganda … a fount of unbigoted commentary.
Sam
'Jesus wept.' Great point, Will..thanks for that.
Mustang, a 'ceremonial nick'.....isn't that ridiculous..that a lousy justification "It'll be worse there so we'll do JUST A LITTLE here"? WOW.
MaybeYouKnow (:-)), FW and FB...all such good points.
Also, Maybe asks "The question is not ARE we committing cultural, political ethnic and religious suicide, but WHY?
I'd just ask "AND HOW FAST CAN WE DO IT?"
Pris...and the reason they swath them in burqas is that apparently Arab muslim men just can't control themselves if they see some ankle....But, TRUST me, those women in burqas on planes from Riyad, Saudi Arabia to London, go into the plane bathrooms in their robes and come out in little adorable Chanel suits and "F ME PUMPS" ....somehow, the men THEN can control themselves, when everything's showing!?
Hypocrisy, your name is LIberal and MUSLIM, apparently.
Ducky, so to YOU, Theo Van Gogh ASKED FOR IT?
And, really, you ought to read more Steyn, the man is brilliant and I'm sorry it's lost on you.
And so what if it's "Only" CULTURAL? IT"S WRONG, whether it's a muslim, a catholic or a lutheran, it's just plain WRONG...where are ENLIGHTENED LIBERAL WOMEN on this, DUCKY? THey should be screaming from the rafters AND CAN YOU IMAGINE IF IT WAS CHRISTIANS 'NICKING' THEIR DAUGHTERS?
Man, Ducky, you'd be FREAKING OUT.
And no, it can't be stopped by force, but it can be forced by our GOVERNMENT if they were decent.
They'll stop me from eating salt but they can't stop a little girl from GETTING NICKED!?
Sam...sorry, I just read your comment and had already written what you said..well, great minds :-)
Ducky, so to YOU, Theo Van Gogh ASKED FOR IT?
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No, he didn't "ask for it". Clearly he didn't want to get himself stabbed, but he had one objective - to be provocative and get himself in the public eye.
So , yes, he was going out of his way to be insulting and provocative in the most self promoting fashion possible, same with the cartoon publishers. It doesn't justify the reactions but it also isn't right to allow them to parade as knights of free speech. They knew exactly what they were doing and in the case of the cartoon publishers pushed until they got a volatile reaction.
Nothings pure on this earth, z, nothing
"You think this is something that gets stopped by force?"
No. I would pass a law requiring Ducky to do the operation. Then everybody people would be disgusted enough to stop doing it. Ha!
Why do you always imply we think about force?
Don't you know there's something called a law?
God you're abysmally dense.
And so what if it's "Only" CULTURAL? IT"S WRONG, whether it's a muslim, a catholic or a lutheran, it's just plain WRONG...where are ENLIGHTENED LIBERAL WOMEN on this, DUCKY?
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So what? Because you and Pris were posting it up as a Muslim phenomena and you just back pedaled big time.
Yes, by our standards it is wrong and clearly ours is the informed culture here.
But you expect a custom that is probably a thousand years old to just disappear, poof? And you also probably believe that woman aren't speaking out even though it takes a lot more courage for a woman in Africa to speak we or that bimbo Mark Steyn will ever have. Why do you assume no one is speaking out and how quickly can something like this be eliminated?
So you believe a girl should be sent back to Somalia or Afghanistan for an unsterile operation in a situation that for political or health reasons may put her life in danger? Why not try to counsel the parents in America and help them understand our standards?
"Nothings pure on this earth, z, nothing"
Finally!
Then why are you on the left and keep trying to make this world an ideal place and fix all human problems like greed, self-interest, etc...
You really are missing the logic gene in your brain, Ducky.
Ducky, you are the liberal purist, not me. I don't even hope for perfection but the left sure does and, if things aren't perfect, make a LAW. I've talked about that a lot.
You said "Why not try to counsel the parents in America and help them understand our standards?"
Why not, indeed? WHY NOT? Which of us doesn't wish that could happen? That's the goal of this blog post, to hope somewhere, somehow, somebody wakes up and does just that very thing.
Who's back pedaling? We're finding it LOUSY that muslims would do this to their girls....What, now I'm supposed to say it's Norwegians doing it so you're happy?
Theo Van Gogh was calling attention to islam's nightmarish behavior.........he was a man of great courage knowing full well what could happen to him...and naive thinking muslims really wouldn't do THAT to him. Poor man...never trust anybody that much; we have leftwingers for that.
Again Frog. What value is the law.
The girl would be shipped back to a third world country where, I contend, she would be worse off.
Now, do you feel a law would dissuade someone who is so primitive as to ant this for a daughter in the first place?
Of course have the girl go to Somalia or have this move underground. Each offers less opportunity to bring the issue into the light of day.
I await your response, without much hope but go for it. Yeah, just pass a law, it always works. Look at how it controls dope. I weep for the hope of a rational right wing.
It would make it crime. And you could have a law allowing the girl to file a lawsuit when she grows up if that has been done.
"Again Frog. What value is the law"
So why are you for strong regulations of everything? Are you a lefty or an anarchist? That's quite different. Maybe you need to do some soul searching so you can understand your own value system.
I am for laws punishing crimes i.e. things done to other people by an individual or an entity (the GOV). I don't consider doing drugs a crime because there is no victim involved, unless the person gets into an accident, a rage and kill somebody. That's why I am against drug wars.
At least I am logical. You are totally void of logic.
Ducky I thought you were smart at first. But now I can see your intellectual foundations are very shaky. You ain't that bright.
I guess some ducks can't get the point. There's a shock huh?
The point is America, and what we are as a civilization. I believe I also said if this is a problem for those who wish to come here, they can go back to where they came from.
We are not here to alter our laws for every people of other cultures that hit our shores. In this respect, it's our way or the highway.
I know this is hard for certain people with arrested development to understand, but we as a country have so far, had a civilized society. There are cetain markers for that, we musn't cross.
Silly me, there's something about barbarism that just isn't civilized, so, if people who are here prefer living in the dark ages, I'm sure they can find that where they came from.
America can't solve every problem or barbaric practice in the world, that's for those who live in other cultures. But we damn sure don't have to tolerate importing them.
What the AAP is asking for is a seal of approval for mutilation,
that's what this amounts to.
Pris
I agree with Duck that unenforceable laws are worthless. I favor fewer laws, not more. I think we should make the law simple, not complicated. I think we should wonder about the wisdom of criminalizing everything. For example, we have laws against polygamy and yet there are people throughout the western states (and Muslim immigrants) who dismiss such proscriptions out of hand. I personally think monogamy is the right course, but what is the point of having a law that no one intends to enforce? If anyone wants to live in hell with more than one wife, I say let him.
On the other hand, I assume we intend some laws to protect the innocent. We presume this is true of child protective laws. How is FGM not included in these laws in the same way the law makes it a criminal offense to marry more than one woman at a time? Fewer laws, consistency in the law, and laws that are actually enforceable is my prescription for a simpler society; and sending Ducky into exile.
Mustang I agree with you. It all goes back to how you define what a crime is.
Ducky doesn't to be exile. Life in America is way too nice compared to the rest of the world. He doesn't want to admit it.
The point is America, and what we are as a civilization.
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Right Pris, and WHAT WE ARE NOT is your stern OT God. Nope, the idea of punishment isn't what a lot of us are concerned about.
Some are concerned about preventing the act or at least reducing its severity and that is a complicated matter.
You are concerned with punishment. Fits easily into your nice simple world. Now do you get it?
The typical left rhetoric prevention vs. punishment. Another simplification from the left. Need both if you want the law to be enforced.
You don't have problems with Maddoff being punished, do you, Kwaky? I don't.
So why are you for strong regulations of everything? Are you a lefty or an anarchist?
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Everything? That's interesting, where did you get that idea?
But as we can see from the gulf oil spill ("Drill, baby, drill - where's Sister Sarah) regulation doesn't always accomplish much, just as the criminal code is often ineffective.
Now, let's try again, a law is likely to have little effect here. In the very limited number of cases where a child was brought to medical professionals there might be an opportunity for some type of action such as counseling or a procedure which does not actually sever the tissue.
I'm a democratic socialist, Frog (further left than a social democrat) and I really enjoyed your questio about why we would try to improve the social order. Because I believe it can be done. It won't be perfected but it might be significantly changed before the Libertarians, who have no respect for anything except the satiation of their irrational will, completely trash the place.
Circumcision most certainly is a form of genital mutilation. It's an attempt to improve on God's handiwork. It's unnatural. Only in severe cases of phimosis should circumcision take place. The infant has no say in this practice, so it's also a form of child abuse
Personally, I don't remember.
But having said that I think if women were to do this it should be done as an informed adult, not on a child. Perhaps a law that allows such a thing at a certain age. Then the culture could be preserved and women wouldn't be getting this done in some Third World back alley.
I'm amazed at you Kwaky. You belong to the people who give us lecture about human rights, women's conditions, equality, etc... and you wouldn't do anything about something that is mutilation and where female kids are victims. I thought you were about defending victims of society. Oh wait, that's not Western society, so that's ok. That's the logic.
God your people are sickening.
"Because I believe it can be done."
Yes it can be done with the following conditions: autarky, authoritarianism/dictatorship and annihilation of human instincts and of the "self."
Eastern Germany, Soviet Union, nazi Germany, they tried.
You can keep trying.
So indeed you are a little fascistic mind.
I despise you with all my guts.
Ducky...you said "But as we can see from the gulf oil spill ("Drill, baby, drill - where's Sister Sarah) regulation doesn't always accomplish much,"
Don't blame Sarah on this one, buddy...did you know it's the Obama admin that did not have BP file any reports nor did they have to make any kind of plans in case of leakage, etc.? Nope...Obama's people let them have free rein....$$$ They contributed heavily to his campaign, ....
"While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years…
…During his time in the Senate and while running for president, Obama received a total of $77,051 from the oil giant and is the top recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years, according to financial disclosure records."
"I'm a democratic socialist"
Same as the Democratic Republic of Germany then? That kind of democracy?
If yes, then, I wish you could have my visual memories of crossing Eastern Germany in 1988 and the wonderful sense of freedom I felt that day. (sarcasm.)
Time for you to watch or re-watch The Life of Others. Or think about all the crimes committed by your "democratic socialist" friends.
And you think protestants are bad?
The lobotomy did work nicely on you.
Kwaky thinks we can regulate human error. Like the oil spill was intended.
But that's because human nature can be altered according to Kwaky's Klan.
......he was going out of his way to be insulting and provocative in the most self promoting fashion possible......
That's incredibly funny considering the source.
The Lurking Presence
Another thing, z, regarding the status of Muslim women in America. Miss America, now whatever you think of pageants, she was hot and she wasn't wearing no burqa.
I do notice that morons like Daniel Pipes and the low functional at Atlas Shrugged manage to link this to a conspiracy. Pipes was just an idiot claiming affirmative action but the Atlas Shrugged bimbo calls her Miss Hezbollah.
Dumb. But she is a hottie.
//Pipes was just an idiot claiming affirmative action but the Atlas Shrugged bimbo calls her Miss Hezbollah.//
Exactly.
But Ducky, it sort of reminds me of some of the filthy rotten things you've said here. I guess you have more in common with Pipes and Atlas Shrugs than you even imagined.
Ducky, what do you think of the FACT that there was a blonde Lebanese Arab Christian who was also Miss USA once but the media's calling this one THE FIRST ARAB?
Ya, the first one was a Christian who'd never pole dance like this piece of work has, spread eagle on video as they showed on TV last night.... I have to admit I'd have thought you had better taste in women, though this one is beautiful, no doubt about it. I think character counts, too.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/22052/fact-check-meet-the-real-1st-arab-american-miss-usa-christians-dont-count/
Now THAT is one pretty girl
The AAP is against any and all forms of physical abuse and maintains that anyone who witnesses abuse of children are legally bound to report it. They even consider any form of corporal punishment as abuse.
For the AAP to make this horrific compromise to allow a "nick" (grotesquely simplifying the 'procedure' of female genital mutilation) is wildly irresponsible toward the bodily well being and the mentally well being of girls. Mutilation is mutilation, whether given a politically correct title or not.
Compromising on this issue under the guise of protection from full genital mutilation is a fraud. Allowing this 'nick' for ritualistic purposes is only the beginning toward full mutilation and the loss of dignity and freedom for women.
And the whole point of the debate is that this procedure is NOT permitted in America, we don't mutilate little girls else you go to jail.
Though I don't agree with male circumcision either, I can see how it will be brought into the debate. So let us be real here, what does female genital mutilation produce? Control and power over an individual's life, mental and physical abuse, and loss of freedom.
It is appalling that anyone would even consider making this practice acceptible in America. And the AAP ought never again to be considered a professional resource used for child development knowledge or practice.
I have to question anyone's character and mental state who thinks this is a good idea. There we shall find some sick and twisted issues.
I am with Leslie on this. It is mutilation.
Duck, where is all of the nonsense about women having a choice that libs love to rattle on and on about? These are children, they are not able to make a choice as to whether they want to be mutilated.
We are now at a point, according to recent polls, that Americans are trending anti-abortion. I see this as a cultural change. Will we then outlaw abortion to respect the American culture of being against abortion?
I mean, it has nothing to do with religion, it's culture.
Counseling a parent against their cultural belief before a procedure is a moot point. No one is willing to go against cultural beliefs due to political correctness.
The point is, there is a law against FGM --no one is allowed to abuse a child. Child abuse is illegal and FGM is abuse. The issue is getting the spineless compromisers to ignore their fear of offending any one cultural and start taking a stand to truly protect innocent lives.
Really, z, she worked the pole?
That's liberated. And her family didn't even shoot her.
Chuck, if you are paying attention, the contention is that the family is going to have this done one way or another.
If they were to contact a medical facility (unlikely) it might go a little better for the girl and the procedure would not be as invasive.
Whatever, getting in fine right wing high dugeon may make you feel good but it isn't going to accomplish anything.
Will we then outlaw abortion to respect the American culture of being against abortion?
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Sure and drive it underground or overseas.
Thanks for proving my point, Chuck.
Pris, Kwaky admitted today he was a democratic socialist in the likes of Eastern Germany. That was breaking news. At least he admitted.
Wow, 2 responses. You worked harder than usual to be ridiculous this time Duck.
So the new standard is "they are going to do it anyways" huh?
Why have any laws or social standards?
Oh, wait, your a liberal. I forgot, not having any social standards is a way of life for you.
You bet I believe in punishment for this horrendous practice.
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And as I said, Pris, as a good fundamentalist you are more concerned about punishment than prevention or possible amelioration.
Oh Frog, East Germany was a totalitarian Communist puppet government. Not quite the same thing but you lose a lot of accuracy when you're on the canvas. Keep punching slugger, I eat Libertarians for breakfast.
Chuck, if you are paying attention, the contention is that the family is going to have this done one way or another.
If they were to contact a medical facility (unlikely) it might go a little better for the girl and the procedure would not be as invasive.
Okay, let's pretend for a moment that your answer is actually rational.
Let's try this with a little bit different wording to see if it works.
"A pedophile is going to abuse a young girl one way or another.
If he were to contact a medical facility (unlikely) it might go a little better for the girl and the procedure would not be as invasive."
Now, obviously this notion is absurd. We can't let a pedophile abuse a child, let alone assist him.
So why is it okay to allow parents to mutilate a child let alone assist them?
Bottom line, they can go back to whatever hellhole this custom is from and do it if they want. It is not the custom in the US and the AAP needs to concentrate on keeping kids healthy and safe, not assisting with their mutilation.
Now, if an adult woman wants to make this decision - without coercion - so be it. She is consenting and it is not up to us to decide this for her.
These are children though.
I thought libs were all for telling parents how to raise their children? You all of a sudden a fan of parental rights?
Chuck he's not a Lib. He's a democratic socialist. Much worse. Total delusion and certainly not pro-freedom.
A Hindu delegation in British ruled India complained to the governor that the British had forbidden their cultural practice of Sati - burning widows on their husbands' funeral pyres,
to which the British governor responded "you say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them."
Thanks for the post, Pris. I am very sensitive to nuances of differences amongst folks of varying backgrounds. But I'm sick of moral equivalence among dis-equals being worshipped under the rubric of "culture." May the highest standards win!
BTW, what happened to "choice?"
Ducky, maybe when they stone their women for getting raped they should try amelioration, you know, throw smaller stones. Maybe they'd settle for disfigurement.
You jerk.
Pris
Thanks Deborah,
Yes, where are the women's groups? Too busy trashing Sarah Palin, I guess.
Pris
Pris and Deborah, "CHOICE", you know doesn't exist unless it's a Lib's choice.
Deborah, great story there about the Brits, and very appropriate, thanks
Ducky, some of us think pole dancing says a lot about a girl and I'm thinking maybe we don't want somebody like her as MISS USA, huh? Of course, if she were Christian (which she is, partly, apparently), you'd be laughing yourself sick about the Christian Pole Dancer, but let her be muslim and she's a 'hottie' to you. Congratulations.
Bravo for this CHUCK: "Oh, wait, your a liberal. I forgot, not having any social standards is a way of life for you."
Leslie, you said "I have to question anyone's character and mental state who thinks this is a good idea. There we shall find some sick and twisted issues."
Leslie, meet Ducky, Ducky, this is Leslie.
FrogBurger, great points...keep swinging!
//Just for the heck of it, I will remind this most open minded audience that the practice is CULTURAL and not religious.//
Do you think this makes it any less heinous? Do you even think before you make your weak and faulty arguments?
Pris writes;
"My God. IMO, this has nothing to do with politics, it has to do with misogyny or remaining a civilized society."
It's misogyny for sure. Muslim society tends towards being brutal and backwards, and I push back against every every UGLY vestige that i see in our culture. I've seen the way they treat their woman up close and personal, they disgust me. Appeasement is nothing more than institutional COWARDICE!
Leave it to the great Mark Steyn to find uproarious humor amidst a grisly subject. He writes:
"True, many of us hapless Western men find we deny women sexual pleasure without even trying, but we don't demand genital mutilation to guarantee it."
ROTFLMAO!!
About ameliorating evil.
There can't be any compromise with the Devil. Give him an inch, and he'll take everything you have and turn it into a steaming pile.
What happens in other people's countries is none of our business, unless they try to bring their vile customs here and establish them as some kind of new normal.
George Washington warned against "foreign entanglements." That means we work to keep our own land clean, beautiful and free for our people.
The World Population as a whole does not belong to us and is not our responsibility. We were not established to become a dumping ground for every piece of garbage and every cultural pollutant.
Living here is not a right, it is a privilege. The price one should pay for that privilege is to make every effort to learn OUR language and do things OUR way.
That business about "the wretched refuse of your teeming shores" is BUNK that got foisted on us in the 19th century.
Come here to serve US well and eventually become one of us, or get out and stay out.
Mae B. Dunn
Amen Mae! Are you any relaytion to Thy Will Be Done?
Excuse me, "relation"
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