Sunday, April 18, 2010

Liz Cheney and Debra Burlingame

Tonight, I went with 3 friends to hear Liz Cheney and Debra Burlingame talk about national security. You should be very happy you weren't there. They know more than we're hearing in the media, trust me. And none of it is good.

Debra's the sister of the pilot, Captain Chick Burlingame, whose plane was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11. Ms Burlingame is an attorney and has dedicated her life to keeping our country safe.

You know who Liz Cheney is. Number one, that woman is
TINY in stature....number two, what I hadn't heard is that she's not only an attorney but has studied Middle East affairs for the last twenty years.

Both women are formidable and as patriotic and informed as two women can be. And they're very worried for our country.

Burlingame related stories about 8 Germans caught here for espionage in, I believe, 1942; they had American army records (frauds), had lived in America and spoke very good English, but were caught and were quickly given trials and I believe it was 6 who got the death sentence and 2 got life imprisonment. Another German case was arrests made for spying here in this country and they were caught and tried within one month. Burlingame compared this with the way we're taking forever bringing terrorists to trial and tripping over ourselves to protect THEM instead of US. Very different than sixty years ago and not a safe situation.

She met with Obama regarding Gitmo and she reminded him how he'd once said how safe and good for prisoners it was there and she added that it would help if he'd elaborate on that and remind Americans of that fact. She said he simply "shrugged" and took the next question. As she implied, it's not about keeping us safe, it's about ideology.

Burlingame also spoke about
waterboarding, which they are STILL DOING TO AMERICAN FIGHTER PILOTS in a program called SERE (her brother, as a navy flier, went through this program and referred to it as "POW SCHOOL" because it gets pilots ready for the horrors of getting caught and tortured)... EVERY PILOT is waterboarded..."Tens of thousands" of our soldiers are subjected to it to this day. Never once has a congressman called that torture. Because it isn't. She elaborated on the procedure and I wish I had the details but she backed up her information very well.

Debra Burlingame flashed on a screen a flier Gitmo detainees had had sent to them....it was in Arabic and told how CRUEL and INHUMAN their treatment was there and gave ways to get out of having to answer interrogators, lies to use, etc etc. This was distributed by American attorneys.... read HERE for more details .
There is some really unbelievable stuff going on and I wish you all could have heard it.

Liz Cheney mostly spoke about America's posture in the world. She spoke about how it's apparent that Obama thinks America's the biggest problem in the world and how we need to go back to having a Commander in Chief and not a Global Community Organizer who seems to stand separate above the world situation, including separate from US, and thinks making us weak is going to please our enemies enough to make them back off.

She highly recommends a book called COURTING DISASTER by Mark Thiessen. The subtitle is "How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack." The details of what Obama's done to the CIA were horrifying and I couldn't write fast enough to get much of it down, sadly. But, frankly, you don't really want to know. (UPDATE: HERE is the link for more details from her article in the WSJ)

Cheney feels Obama is not nearly doing all an American president can to protect us and, in fact, is doing quite the opposite. As an obviously devoted fan of Charles Krauthammer's, she quoted him in his statement that "Decline is a Choice" and that we're on a decline now, adding that America has the moral obligation to lead and Cheney hopes our next president, in January, 2013, will lead us back to the Superpower position Obama disdains. She has come up with quite a good synopsis of the OBAMA DOCTRINE and gave several examples for each of the doctrinal points below:

Apologize for America
Abandon Allies
Appease Enemies

Both women are now joined with Wm Kristol in an organization called KEEP AMERICA SAFE (check out the Laura Ingraham video interview of Cheney on that site, Cheney mentions some things she spoke about tonight). I suggest you Bookmark it and read it from time to time. If you can take 'hearing' what you're going to read!
z

66 comments:

RightKlik said...

We've been lulled to complacency. Sooner or later we're going to be hit with something that puts our squabbles over domestic issues into perspective. I hope that doesn't happen until after Nov 2012.

MK said...

"And they're very worried for our country."

We all should be. All decent people should be worried sick when leftists are running the show, they always turn everything to sh!t sooner or later.

"As she implied, it's not about keeping us safe, it's about ideology."

It wouldn't be so bad if their ideology was good and in the interests of furthering the nation, but that's never the case with the progressives.

Open Mouth Insert Foot said...

I think we can look for a challenge by Hillary in 2012.
So look out world.

Always On Watch said...

Liz Cheney...has studied Middle East affairs for the last twenty years.

Now, there's something I had no idea about!

I see that my public library has copies of Courting Disaster. I placed a reserve on the book and am #6 in line, so I should have the book in hand soon. Will it give me nightmares?


Debra Burlingame flashed on a screen a flier Gitmo detainees got for months....it was in Arabic and told how CRUEL and INHUMAN their treatment was there and gave ways to get out of having to answer interrogators, lies to use, etc etc. This was published by American attorneys....


OMG! As if the detainees need to be fired up for jihad over and over again!

Ducky's here said...

They know more than we're hearing in the media, trust me. And none of it is good.

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Why should I trust you? Let's face it, z, you have no standing to evaluate national defense, just a load of misplaced emotion.

Ducky's here said...

Liz Has only been at it for 20 years? Heck, I've been at it longer.

Always On Watch said...

Linked at a well-read site.

Always On Watch said...

Related information from THE ASTUTE BLOGGERS. Reliapundit rocks, I tell you. He ferrets out information like nobody else!

Brooke said...

Oh, and Ducky is the go-to guy for every single subject, a scholar among rogues who is never stingy with his erudite opinions. We should be thankful.

Sheesh. Folks like Z have been paying plenty of attention, doing research, ect. The only argument the left has is, "I don't trust you and you're a dummy and I know everything."

Pitiful.

Despite your warning to the contrary, Z, I would have liked to been there to hear all that these ladies had to say.

Anonymous said...

I don't think foreign terrorists arrested in the process of carrying out jihad against infidels are entitled to the protection granted under the law to rightful citizens. I'd be inclined to prefer they be tried by military tribunal.

I found this interview with Kenneth Starr (from the Olbermann show with Kenneth O'Donnell) which addresses this specific topic of your post here, Z. I thought Starr made good arguments and since O'Donnell didn't shout him down, it was because Starr supported the position of the left on this issue, I guess.

You will have to excuse the source as it could well be the blog of the local quack ...

http://fuckconservatives.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/lawrence-odonnell-and-ken-starr-on-liz-cheney-smearing-doj-lawyers/

Waylon

Z said...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704131404575117611125872740.html

Here are the facts behind Burlingame's points about Gitmo and how American attorneys prepared an 18-page color brochure in Arabic for detainees...terrible breaches of security included.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124744075427029805.html

That's Cheney's piece on the dangers of the so-called policy of our present administration...

RK: I fear the same thing...I keep worrying if we'll have a Nov 2012 election or be hit by something huge.

MK: sure does depend on the ideology, doesn't it. But, you know, liberal ideology used to INCLUDE AMERICAN SAFETY...Democats Pat Moynihan or Tip O'Neal would have never revealed vital information which 8 Espionage leaders in America AND LEON PANETTA tried to warn Obama about "you'll be putting our agents in jeopardy if you give out that information"....Obama did.

Open Mouth, welcome! A challenge against Obama in the Dem primary? Heck, I'd even take HER over HIM:-)

Always: THANKS for that link at ASTUTE BLOGGERS, I was so happy to see that! The Burlingame article I link above in this comment has the details on that horrid 18 PAGE flier.

Ducky, if caring about this country and what this president's doing to weaken us is 'misplaced emotion', you're absolutely right.

Ducky's here said...

Abandon Allies

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Which allies? This is nothing but code for not allowing Likud to do anything it damn well pleases.

May satisfy the end timers but it is hardly sound foreign policy.

Z said...

ALWAYS: Reliapundit is RIGHT ON with that information, it's amazing how we've stripped our capacities....

Waylon; I am so glad you gave me that link. This is EXACTLY the mentality Burlingame is most worried about....lawyers secretly feeding illegal information to detainees and Starr doesn't get it?!! These aren't fine, upstanding lawyers who are doing their job in defending everyone in our country as our laws have offered; Please read the Burlingame link I gave in my last comment. that flier I mention in my piece was sent by one Julia Tarver Mason, a partner at Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison...to Al Joudi and 8 of the firm's other detainee clients through 'legal mail'....a designation for privileged lawyer-client communications that are exempt from screening by security personnel. !!! The investigation showed that her clients passed it to other detainees not represented by her firm!! AN AMERICAN LAWYER CANNOT GIVE INFORMATION RELATING TO MILITARY OPS, INTEL, ARREST, POLITICAL NEWS AND CURRENT EVENTS, OR THE NAMES OF US GOV'T PERSONNEL!! Please check out the link... SHE DID

Starr is SO off and doesn't seem to be fully briefed; Burlingame would not argue that detainees shouldn't get what they're entitled to by law. But, THIS?
Doesn't it strike you as odd that Starr would even appear on that show after the beatings Olbermann has given him? O'Donnell even refers to him as the most maligned person Olbermann's slammed???

The video says far more against Starr than it does against Burlingame and her information...

By the way, I'm fairly certain Holder still hasn't revealed names of all those DOJ lawyers he's hired who've dealt with detainees. I'm saying that one could be Tarver, if she wasn't getting seventeen million dollars from Kuwait to represent the suspected terrorists.

Z said...

Oh, Ducky, the more you write, the more you show..

Poland and Czech Republic were ALLIES of ours when Obama took the shield off of them.
Israel is an important ally of ours and Obama's the first president to not offer them total support as well.
You go off and harangue as much as you'd like about Israel but the facts are there.

Abandon or insult...take your pick.
The Brits apparently still haven't got over Obama's sending back the Churchill bust which had been a gift to the WH...he said he didn't like looking at it. Something about Kenya dontchaknow.
He still hasn't been to Berlin because he didn't like them preventing him from giving AMERICAN CAMPAIGN SPEECHES at the Brandenburg Gates and ALL heads of state go to country capitals before they go elsewhere; he's turned down invites to Berlin.
i'm bored ...look it up

Z said...

Waylon; one of the things Burlingame discussed also is that it's quite clear Obama doesn't like treating the detainees as terror suspects.

beamish said...

Once again, Ducky forgets to sign off his typically anti-Semitic leftist chestnut with a cheerful "Heil Hitler."

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

All the more reason to take this country back and, unfortunately, I'm beginning to think the only way to accomplish this will be by force, violence, actual revolution. Because the government absolutely REFUSES to listen to its people.

I repeat:

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
--JFK

BZ

FrogBurger said...

"Which allies?"

That's right Ducky. Sarkozy and Merkel can't stand Obama and his policies. Because they know the truth about extreme Islam and what a welfare society really creates. They see it every day.

Anonymous said...

Great post Z.

"Liz Has only been at it for 20 years? Heck, I've been at it longer."

Really Ducky? And how have you been at it, besides having watched movies like "Exodus", or "Lawrence of Arabia"!

You conveniently forget that Liz Cheney's father was Secy' of Defense for Bush sr., and recently Vice President. In fact has spent his life in a position to know more than you could possibly have a clue about.

I'd say, besides her studies, Liz Cheney has a pretty solid source in Dick Cheney.

Ducky, why should you trust Z? She's reporting on a substantive presentation she attended. What do you have to report on, besides your usual talking points.

You wouldn't have bothered to attend that presentation, and you know it. So, you'd better trust Z, or your ignorance as to what's really going on, will remain your clueless uninformed vision of what you wish instead of what reality is.


Pris

Ducky's here said...

Why is Israel important? Guarding the oil supply? What else.

The missile shield was a freaking joke. Just how antagonizing Russia for no gain helps the Czechs or Poland is a mystery.

Z said...

Ducky, STOP! You are looking DUMB...you're not DUMB :-)

Leverage is important and we just gave it away by appeasing Russia, which has been wanting those shields down for years.

Israel? I won't go through that with you again. Beamish is right.

Anonymous said...

Hi Z, Not only did we give it away, but we got nothing for it!

Obama was rolled by Putin and it was so easy wasn't it?

It sometimes seems like only Ducky is in a fog but, of course his comrades are in step with their comrades in Russia, so why would they complain?

Pris

Always On Watch said...

Brooke said: Oh, and Ducky is the go-to guy for every single subject, a scholar among rogues who is never stingy with his erudite opinions. We should be thankful.

LOL! LOL!

Ducky's here said...

Really Ducky? And how have you been at it, besides having watched movies like "Exodus", or "Lawrence of Arabia"!

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I resided in Saudi Arabia studying calligraphy a while back.

What do you know of Islam and from where other than being scared that the crack Iraqi spec-ops were going to night drop and put botulism in Liz Cheney's and your Wheaties?

Z said...

Liz Cheney: an attorney and specialist in US Middle East policy...was Principal Dep Assist Sec of State for Near Eastern Affairs in 2005-6....Dep Assist Sec of State for N E Affairs from 2002 to 2004.

Responsible for the establishment of the $300 million M E Partnership Initiative to support political, economic, and educational reform and the empowerment of women in the ME.

Z said...

Ducky you ask Pris "What do you know of Islam and from where other than being scared that the crack Iraqi spec-ops were going to night drop and put botulism in Liz Cheney's and your Wheaties?"

You make it sound like all of us on the Right just hate Islam for hating's sake... that we always hated Islam, even before they spawned the mentality which would kill 3000 Americans in such a way that ALL our lives are changed for the worst forever?

You met some nice Muslims in Saudi, how NICE< DUCKY! And I'll bet you believe ALL the hideous ones are just misunderstood...the same "misunderstood" break you give Christian nuts who kill abortion docs, right, Ducky?

I've met nice Muslims, too..MANY of them, some even love America and support her and wouldn't have Sharia Law in this country if their lives depended on it. Do I relax under the silly liberal kumbaya mentality that nobody's going to drop botulism in Liz Cheney's Wheaties? No, I love this country and my family and friends too much.

Sean Penn likes Iraq, too, don't you know? He had shish kebab with Saddam and WOW, WHAT A COUNTRY!

Mr Z was in Iraq for long periods of time years ago and found the people highly sophisticated and likable, at least the ones who showed up for meetings, not the ones who didn't and were never heard from again. But, he was WISE ENOUGH to understand that the culture is spawning HATRED RIGHT NOW, DUCKY, it's not THE WEST.

STOP with the fawning, Ducky...it's just silly. Go back to your calligraphy. You should have gone to Asia for that, they're much more highly sophisticated and skilled at it there. Or go join that law firm which is helping terror suspects work against us. Enjoy.

Ducky's here said...

You make it sound like all of us on the Right just hate Islam for hating's sake...

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You got it.

Ducky's here said...

You make it sound like all of us on the Right just hate Islam for hating's sake... that we always hated Islam, even before they spawned the mentality which would kill 3000 Americans

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You got it.

And let me remind you that well over 1000 people who died in the towers weren't Americans ... the extra people included Muslims and illegals but who counts them, right?

Your failure to acknowledge that is representative of your deep ties to American exceptionalism and all the delusions that brings.

Ducky's here said...

You should have gone to Asia for that, they're much more highly sophisticated and skilled at it there.

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Wrong. Although I have tried to master Japanese "rat's tail" brushwork. Very difficult.

FrogBurger said...

Wrong? It all depends on the calligraphy and the language I'd assume.

Ducky is on conservative blogs just for the sake of hatred.

He's the one with the most hate here. I don't personally go on "liberal" blogs. No time to waste with fascistic minds.

Anonymous said...

Ducky I never claimed to be an expert on Islam. Did I mention Islam? Why no, I didn't. And if I was an expert in calligraphy, I still wouldn't be an expert on Islam.

So, what are you saying Ducky, because you left Saudi Arabia with your head still firmly planted on your neck, you're an expert on Islam?

However, when it comes to geopolitical and international military issues, I live with Mr. Pris who does claim an expertise in these areas. That expertise was obtained over a period of over forty years.

All that being said, what in the world does any of this have to do with Liz Cheney?

Pris

Z said...

Ducky< REALLY? You REALLY think I hated all of Islam before 9/11 or that I hate all of it now?
that REALLY shows SO much more about you than me, particularly since you read my blog every day. WOW. It shows you don't read everything everything and then draw unfounded conclusions.

As for how many Muslims died in the towers? Can you please tell me how that influences ANYTHING? Are you SERIOUS? I don't and never have denied they weren't all Americans...Do you think they missed their targets and weren't aiming for great American institutions like the WTC and the Pentagon and were really aiming for Mecca or Riyad? are you NUTS?

As for calligraphy, difficulty doesn't negate the beauty.

FB...it is a waste of time, believe me.......you're wise.

Brooke said...

Ducky with all of his anti-Semitism preaching to us between misogynist and "teabagger" comments about hate?

Oh, Margaret! LOL! Could he get any more preposterous?

Ducky's here said...

Peace offering, z thought you might enjoy this. It's on of my favorite discs, absolutely stunning.

I guess I thought of it because Beamish is getting on my taste in music again.

Leticia said...

They are not alone when it comes to the concern over our nation. We are helplessly watching as BHO systematically dismantles the power of our nation.

LASunsett said...

//Liz Has only been at it for 20 years? Heck, I've been at it longer.//

The difference is she understands it better than you do and has a grasp on reality.

Khaki Elephant said...

Fantastic summary! Hope you don't mind a link.

Chuck said...

Z, I'm jealous. I would love to hear Liz Chaney speak.

I have to give it to people here for trying to educate the Duck. Do you get, like community service credits or something?

Law and Order Teacher said...

Z,
I will readily admit my ignorance of Islam and Muslims prior to 9/11. I was like most Americans and assumed that people who professed religious values would abide by them somewhat. Now I know and now I've educated myself. Lots of information out there if you want to take the time to read it. My life experiences were limited to military enemies and criminals.

Anonymous said...

Beamish,
Believing that American foreign policy should not be controlled by Israel's interest does not make someone an anti-Semite anymore than opposing affirmative action makes someone a racist. I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons to support Israel, but assigning motives gets into dangerous territory.

Ducky,
I think you recognize the threat of Islam more than you're letting on. When the second plane crashed into the Twin Towers, I surmised this was the act of Muslim terrorists. Does this mean I'm and expert on Islam or that I have some special clairvoyance? Not really; it was pretty obvious. I suspect you might have made a similar prediction.

You asked Z why you should believe she is right. What if she's right and you don't believe her? What if she's wrong and you do believe her?

tio

Elmers Brother said...

Ducky I never claimed to be an expert on Islam. Did I mention Islam? Why no, I didn't. And if I was an expert in calligraphy, I still wouldn't be an expert on Islam.

funny how duhkkky thinks knowing calligraphy means he's an expert on national security. you should have run for vice president.

Ducky's here said...

tio, Muslim terrorists do not equal the entirety of the Muslim world.

Also, if you've been paying attention you notice that after the bombing of subways in Europe the terrorism has been pretty much limited to Muslim countries.

There have been attempts since but they have been foiled and don't indicate any high level capability, not that box cutters were exactly high tech. We were attacked initially because we were complacent. That isn't the case now and despite what goombahs like Liz Cheney say to keep the right stirred up, we aren't going to make the mistake again.

Meanwhile we go through this silliness with the likes of Cheney and the Baggers as the right tries to rebrand itself after it's utter failure under Chucklenuts and if you don't think this is anything but an ad blitz for the old right wing power elite then you might want to look a little closer.

Big Bubba said...

Ducky, I see where Hussein is going to give an address at Quackers Union. Isn't that where you got your mindless twit degree with honors?

christian soldier said...

Great post - Z--I read about the executions of German terrorists on US soil during WW II via a speech given at Hillsdale College...It is time we demand the same treatment for terrorists from our "royals" in government....we in the US would be safer and our BEST could come home!
Carol-CS

beamish said...

Ducky,

What do you know of Islam ....

I know that faggots like you would be stoned to death by Muslims no matter how much you tried to tell them you hate Jews more than they do.

beamish said...

Tio,

Believing that American foreign policy should not be controlled by Israel's interest does not make someone an anti-Semite anymore than opposing affirmative action makes someone a racist. I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons to support Israel, but assigning motives gets into dangerous territory.

In Ducky's case, the jackboot fits.

Part of Ducky's ideological need to convince people that all leftists are imbeciles is his displays of anti-Semitism.

Mustang said...

I resided in Saudi Arabia studying calligraphy a while back.

Well crap, so that's where your expertise in Middle Eastern affairs and Misogyny comes from. Amazing.

Anonymous said...

I have a wee nit to pick.

The usual way of spelling Ms Burlingame's first name is D-E-B-O-R-A-H. It's pronounced DEBRA with a tiny "uh" or "schwa" between the B and the R.

The only time I've ever seen the name spelled this way before was back in the days when Debra Paget decked the silver screen.

Misspelling names is becoming the norm. I see it as part of the dumbing down process.

Now, please don't take this as an unwarranted criticism of Ms Burlingame. It's not a swipe at her or her ideas at all rather it's illustrative of a trend I dislike -- part of the degeneration and disintegration of our language.

Any day now we'll see spellings like Mayree, Darithee, Dorthi, Loosee, Penni, Sayra, Wendi, Lawri, Sharlit, Ulizzubith, Puttrishah, Eelayne, Marralinn, Jone, etc.

Ennybuddy hoo thanks it jess doan matta hao t hangs izz speld iz jess playne rawng. It duzz matta, buhleave mee.

~ FreeThinke

Z said...

Ducky, thanks..>i'm glad you enjoy that and appreciate a peace offering :-) There are some very good Armenian singers, that's for sure.

Free Thinker, DEBRA Burlingame spells her name that way on the blurb we all got at our tables. Please Google and you'll see 90% of her listings are spelled as SHE spelled it on the sheet. D E B R A. It's an uncommon spelling and I'm extremely sensitive to misspelled names because of my own rather difficult one...so I try to be careful.
I did, however, spell her brother's name "Chick" instead of "Chic" ...I'm just too lazy to change it in the post ..
Maybe she's 'dumb downed', but she didn't strike me that way.

Anonymous said...

Z! I did NOT mean to imply that YOU misspelled her name -- far from it. I was just noting a modern cultural trend I've been bothered by for years -- deliberately misspelling common names just to be "different." I think it's a poor way to distinguish oneself.

I also said I did not make that observation to slam Ms. Burlingame or any of the work she's doing.

As I said, it was just "wee nit" I had to pick -- nothing more.

BTW, if I HAD thought you were in error, I would never tell you HERE. I would send you a private email, if I thought it important enough to bother with. You should know me pretty well by now. I'm not out to humiliate or irritate anyone -- and certainly not YOU.

I AM sharply opinionated, and share all that freely, but it's never pointed at anyone in particular like a dagger -- except some of the politicians and celebrities we rightly fear and despise.

~ FT

Z said...

Sorry, FT...I thought you were implying I'd misspelled it.

I have known Deborah's who've spelled it Debra, so it didn't seem AS weird to me as it has to you.
thanks.

Big Bubba said...

The Germans were landed by submarine with purpose of sabotage on American mainland (Operation Pastorius}. Four men were landed on Long Island wearing German Army uniforms. Safely ashore they buried their uniforms and donned civilian attire. Turned in by their leader/turncoat they, and four others who were landed near Jacksonville, Florida, were tried, convicted and six were sentenced to death by a Military Commission. The turncoat was sentenced to 33 years and a co-conspirator to life imprisonment.

If the eight men had been captured on the beach in their German Army uniform they would have been sent to a POW camp. Once they donned civilian clothing they became spies.

There was declared war between Germany and the United States. The men were enemy combatants who went on a mission to spy & sabotage.

The Law of Land Warfare (FM27-10) as printed c. 1940 clearly states that spies would be sentenced to death. The stated reason was to make the occupation of spying "as dangerous, difficult and ineffective as possible for the enemy."

The legal authority quoted in FM27-10 was The Hague Conventions of 1899 & 1907 and Article 82 of The Articles of War, as approved by the Secretary of War, June 4, 1920. Note that The Articles of War was replaced in 1950 by the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. FM27-10, The Law of Land Warfare, is still an Army Field Manual. The Geneva Convention has replaced the Hague Convention.

The bottom line is still the various sources still allow for the execution of spies, however, the point of all the sources is how to act in a declared war.

I will be on board if anyone could come up with a legal basis to execute some of these men, but, does anyone really believe that Eric Holder is busy researching that? This is a very tricky situation for our love of the rule of law.

If anyone wants to analyze a military execution situation consider American Pvt. Eddie Slovik who was shot by a firing squad in France on the morning of Jan. 31, 1945, for desertion in the face of the enemy. Tragic story.

Amusing Bunni said...

Great post Z!
I wish I had been there. I luv Liz Cheny.
Obama is very dangerous for America.

Z said...

wow, bubba, thanks for that information...I'll be gone most of today, if this headache I awoke with goes away!, but sure will check on Eddiee...

Welcome, Bunni, glad you liked the piece. Hope to see you again!

FairWitness said...

Good morning Z, I still would like to know why the American attorneys who disseminated the anti-American pamphlets instructing Gitmo prisoners on how to falsely claim torture and resist interrogations, and also showed photos of CIA operatives to them, have not been arrested and charged with treason. To add insult to injury, that jackass, AG Eric Holder, actually hired many of them as Justice Dept. lawyers. What a country!

Z said...

FairWitness, that's exactly some of what Burglingame talked about, too..TREASON. There is no reason they shouldn't be charged but, with this DOJ, there isn't much chance.
And, as you say, instead of charging these people, Holder's hiring them on our tax dollar to help terror suspects escape persecution by pumping them up with Anti_American rhetoric and ways to avoid showing guilt.
Some American administration, huh?

FairWitness said...

Really, Z, many of these lawyers were directly involved in the ACLU's John Adams Project which outed CIA operatives to the Gitmo prisoners. The John Adams Project surveilled and then photographed CIA agents around their homes & communities, even while out & about with their families.

Excuse me, but the Progressives screamed bloody murder about CIA agent(?) Valerie Plame's cover being blown, after her asshole husband lied in an OpEd about the Bush Administration's assertion regarding Iraq's acquisition of yellow cake uranium. It was an inadvertent comment made by Richard Armitage, in the end. But The Left tried to ruin Karl Rove with it and did ruin Scooter Libby.

Where's the outrage over these DELIBERATE acts of treason? Where are the arrests and prosecutions???? I mean these traitors are now working for our Justice Dept. This just scares me to death, as it should.

Ducky's here said...

Well crap, so that's where your expertise in Middle Eastern affairs and Misogyny comes from. Amazing.

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Well, mustang, it's more time spent interacting with Muslims than the rest of the crew here.

It's an improvement over you and your buddies thinking the invasion of Grenada saved our freedoms. Face it, you militarists are dinosaurs.

Keep it classy, Beamish.

Brooke said...

"Well, mustang, it's more time spent interacting with Muslims than the rest of the crew here."

Says who? LOL!

Keep it classy, Ducky.

Z said...

FW: You said "Where's the outrage over these DELIBERATE acts of treason? Where are the arrests and prosecutions???? I mean these traitors are now working for our Justice Dept. This just scares me to death, as it should."

Imagine this not worrying lefties? When agenda trumps our safety, we have bigger problems than any Tea Party movement can try to fix, that's for sure.
You have to have REALLY learned to HATE AMERICA FIRST to hire people who'd fight hard to give the bad guys MORE passes than American interrogators, etc.......

Our freedoms are killing us softly......I mourn for our forefathers who'd done such a great job but didn't know the left could become so hateful they wouldn't put their own homeland first. who'd have thought THAT?

Ducky; Spending time with muslims has ZERO to do with this. Some are wonderful people; those who don't believe the Koran don't worry me at ALL, those who seem to be less religious than others won't march in the thousands against terrorism, why not? Do they REALLY not believe the koran's teachings about infidels? Surely you've seen that, since you're an expert. And, the rest, we know we have to be on guard against...except for this president, who feels it's WE who are the problem and if we'd just be nicer, we'd have no terror. :-)

KUMBAYA.....

Brooke...Mom was raised in Cairo...that's all I'll say. Or, maybe I'll add that she now says "it's even WORSE there now"...enough said.

beamish said...

My little sister is a convert to Islam, lives in Cairo with her new husband, and despite my ideological and theological animosity towards the religion of Islam has invited me to come live with her (an offer not likely to ever be accepted, but it's not entirely ruled out either)

My opposition to Islam predates 9/11 by years, from my own personal theological explorations. I am not "anti-Muslim" - I recognize that our victories in Iraq and Afghanistan would not be possible without assistance from Muslims. We are not at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists who happen to be Muslims.

As for Ducky's "experience in Middle East affairs" from studying calligraphy, we can count this as his leftist ideological need to reveal his stupidity, and nothing more.

Big Bubba said...

"more time spent interacting with Muslims than the rest of the crew here."
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Still slutting around the park with your full length burqha, Ducky?

Big Bubba said...

Z, why does your blog have off-color humor? My word verification for this post is "stifi." Tsk, tsk.

I'm off for the nekkid ladies mud wrestling show. Keep it clean while I'm gone.

Z said...

"We are not at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorists who happen to be Muslims."

This is way so many Conservatives wish we'd see Muslims in America marching against terrorism. Do they NEED to to dissuade 'guilt by association'...maybe not. Would it give a lot of non Muslim Americans some hope? you bet. Should they care how we feel. Double YOU BET.

Bubba...:-) have fun! I'm off to an Alzheimer's Association luncheon...at the Beverly Hills Hotel..the big pink one on Sunset Blvd you've probably all seen. See you later...have a good day.

Ducky's here said...

Come on Bubba, be a sport. The avatar, that's you at the New York Halloween parade. Gotta be.

Z said...

that avatar IS a crackup, Bubba!

The Luncheon I mention above today was lovely, until the singer entertainment started in on THE MERRY WIDOW WALTZ and suddenly went from English to German. Man, you never know when something will hit you HARD in the grieving process...imagine the luck? :-(