Saturday, April 17, 2010

When Liberals talk, do words also have 'consequences,' Mr Clinton? (and don't miss two FABULOUS videos I link to below)

Here's an AP article on Yahoo Headline news:

WASHINGTON – Former President Bill Clinton warned of a slippery slope from angry anti-government rhetoric to violence like the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, saying "the words we use really do matter."

The two-term Democratic president insisted he wasn't trying to restrict free speech, but in remarks Friday he said incendiary language can be taken the wrong way by some Americans. He drew parallels to words demonizing the government before Oklahoma City.

On April 19, 1995, an anti-government conspiracy led by Army veteran Timothy McVeigh exploded a truck bomb outside the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, killing 168 people. (Z: any purpose to identifying McVeigh the murderer as an ARMY VETERAN? Isn't that like when some nasty person kills an abortion doctor and they identify him immediately as "Christian" even if he only taught Sunday school once thirty years ago? But, we're silly if we complain, right? "No bias here..move on" )

"What we learned from Oklahoma City is not that we should gag each other or that we should reduce our passion for the positions we hold — but that the words we use really do matter, because there's this vast echo chamber, and they go across space and they fall on the serious and the delirious alike. They fall on the connected and the unhinged alike," he said.

"One of the things that the conservatives have always brought to the table in America is a reminder that no law can replace personal responsibility. And the more power you have and the more influence you have, the more responsibility you have." (Z: don't look now, Mr. Clinton, but a lot of very good, smart constitution-loving Conservatives are feeling a little impotent in influencing the hideous stances of your party lately...'the more influence you have.....'? WHAT influence? You finally admitting that the Tea Partiers ARE wielding more influence than you like people to think?)

Clinton made the remarks at events sponsored by the Center for American Progress Action Fund on the upcoming anniversary of the bombing.

He mentioned the rancorous fight over President Barack Obama's health care overhaul. Passage of the law elicited threats against some lawmakers. (Z: Has anybody seen hundreds of people looking to kill Obama, or calling him Hitler like they did Bush?... or wishing Biden dead like they did Dick Cheney? Anybody seen conservative celebrities going to Europe and trashing our country and president to large crowds? NO? Hmmm....and Clinton thinks what's happening now is 'rancorous?', 'threatening?')

"I'm glad they're fighting over health care and everything else. Let them have at it. But I think that all you have to do is read the paper every day to see how many people there are who are deeply, deeply troubled," he said. (Z: I give up! WHO? "MANY PEOPLE who are DEEPLY DEEPLY TROUBLED?" What, for not agreeing with OBAMA?)

He also alluded to the anti-government tea party movement, which held protests in several states Thursday. At the Washington rally, Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota railed against "gangster government." (Z: they're not anti all government, they're against THIS government's actions)

Clinton argued that the Boston Tea Party was in response to taxation without representation. The current protesters, he said, are challenging taxation by elected officials, and the demonstrators have the power to vote them out of office.

"By all means keep fighting, by all means, keep arguing," he said. "But remember, words have consequences as much as actions do, and what we advocate, commensurate with our position and responsibility, we have to take responsibility for. We owe that to Oklahoma City."

Z: SO, now we are slammed for peaceful protests, right? If there are really only "dozens" of protesters at the Tea Parties, as CNN put it early this week, why are they so worried? Oh, I remember, because they're thousands, not "dozens"....And, those are 'protests', yes, but what about when liberals destroy buildings and have to get locked up by the hundreds after smashing the areas around political conventions, etc etc etc., Bill Ayers, the Black Panthers, the SEIU beating up Black Republicans, the guy who shot at Eric Cantor's offices........

Clinton's disingenuous...you all see that. BUT, it's very effective! Americans who don't question his words think "Oh, man, those AWFUL DEEPLY DEEPLY TROUBLED nuts have to be stopped....it's CLINTON, after all...and HE'S RIGHT!" Don't think for a second this kind of talk isn't aimed at those American voters.........It's very effective...very cunning............very disgustingly biased and as hate-mongering as any tea partier could dream of being, in my opinion.

Please let me know what you think of Clinton's words....then, do yourself a favor and watch the video below this post, a very short answer from a Black Tea Partier, AND, then go over to Beamish's CRANK FILES and catch Andrew Breitbart's AMAZING, ROUSING, PATRIOTIC, and TRUE SPEECH.............I PROMISE, you will NOT be sorry. CLICK HERE.

Maybe there are some really GREAT THINGS happening in America? Maybe THAT's why Clinton's so 'fearful'? :-)

z

39 comments:

Ducky's here said...

Any purpose served by NOT pointing out he was a veteran?

Well the political dialog is filled with descriptive variables. Now just what concrete substance they ave, that's an interesting question.

Meanwhile the game continues. You've had a big head start but the right is such a target rich environment that the left has indeed caught up ... and this is the way it will continue till we all fall down.

Please note that you are interested in nothing but attaching blame, not resolving the sad mess.

beamish said...

Remember after 9/11 when the left decided that we deserved to be attacked by Karl Rove's inside job conspiracy because of blowback from Muslims in the Middle East?

As Ducky demonstrates above, when leftists / "liberals" talk, you're being given an example of imbecility, and nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Timothy McVeigh is The Great White Hope of the Left.

The SINGLE, LONE, SOLE UNIQUE "Caucasian American Terrorist" that counterbalances untold millions of deaths caused by Naziism, Communism, Islamism and Organized Crime as well.

Timothy McVeigh The Poster Child for White Hate -- the PROOF that whites are capable of mass murder on as grand scale a scale as the perpetrators of 911. And he so much less reason to wreak havoc than the Addabs.

How much more fitting it would be if the Left would use ABRAHAM LINCOLN in this context! Now there was a REAL mass murderer -- on a level with Stalin if one thinks in percentages.

~ FreeThinke

PS: I would favor the term "perversity" rather than "imbecility," Beamish. Leftists often have a high IQ, but they feel compelled to use it to discredit, demoralize and undermine their own people. ~ FT

Kat said...

It’s Hallowe’en year around with “the smartest woman in the world” and “The One” and their Alinsky/Marxist comrades in office.
America has been brought low by political correctness, diversity, American Idol, Socialist professors, and the Leftist Media.

I’m going to go with my gut feeling on this and say Clinton is just saying what her boss told her to say. Insult our ally and see if he tries harder to do what we have asked them to do i.e. Catch Bin Laden, by golly, and clear out all of Al Quaeda. If it works, Obambi takes all the credit and says it was really my idea. If it backfires then he throws Hillary under the ever widening bus. “Hillary, who? I never authorized her to take that position!”

Hillary’s public comments are absolutely astounding! First, such poor judgment should disqualify her from any office and second, to attack an ally attempting to kill our mutual enemy creates new enemies. If we think they are not doing enough telling them privately would more effective and less damaging to our relationship with a nuclear powered ally. If Obama has any guts at all he will invite Hillary to seek employment elsewhere

Anonymous said...

Isn't it implicit in people with ANY strongly held point of view to wish fervently that all opposition would vanish?

~ FreeThinke

beamish said...

FT,

I have trouble believing "fighting wars in Islamic countries will create terrorists among people we shouldn't profile at the airport" and "taxing businesses into downsizing will pay for unemployment programs" are products of minds of high IQ.

Leftists are imbeciles. They can be perversely imbecilic, granted, but imbecilic nonetheless.

RightKlik said...

The left should get the planks out of their own eyes.

I almost feel sorry for Slick. He must feel pretty irrelevant these days.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Kat,

Since Marx came before Alinsky wouldn't it be more accurate and sound more sound more euphonious to call the current regime a MARXIALINSKYIAN administration? ;-)

Of course that leaves out Gramsci, the Frankfurt School and Roger Baldwin (Founder of the ACLU).

Hard to get it all into one term.

I doubt if MARXIGRAMSCIFRANKFURTACLUALINKYISM would ever catch on, don't you?

~ FreeThinke (with tongue-in-cheek)

beamish said...

Isn't it implicit in people with ANY strongly held point of view to wish fervently that all opposition would vanish?

That was the driving ideal behind the leftist Robespierre's "Reign of Terror" in revolutionary France, as well as the equation of Judaism with capitalism in the writings of Marx, Proudhon, and other leftist "thinkers" that preceeded the left-wing labor activist Adolf Hitler's eliminationist efforts at "destroying capitalism" by killing Jews.

Stupidity comes in many flavors, but leftist stupidity tends to kill people en masse.

Anonymous said...

Beamish,

Leftist leadership is perverse -- even demonic, but at the same time these people are devilishly CLEVER in conducting their deliberately destructive policies.

What you and I may see as positive good THEY regard as inherently evil, because it's manifestly "unfair." Or say they like to say.

Because their policies almost invariably bring disastrous results, they make appear incredibly stupid, but the craft and guile with which they pursue their destructive ends has about it a certain genius.

I would call those who FOLLOW the lead of leftists imbecilic, but the originators and prime movers of this seductive, meretricious philosophy were -- and remain -- awfully smart or they would never have been able to get so far.

The Devil is a lying SOB who will, cheat you every time you try to do business with him, but no one ever could say that Satan was stupid.

Intelligence per se is a neutral attribute. It may be used for good or evil in equal measure.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that the RESULTS of leftist thinking look like the work of an army of mental defectives.

~ FreeThinke

beamish said...

FT,

Stalin called his army of mental defectives "useful idiots."

I'm not hesitant to include the left's puppeteers with their imbecilic puppets. They thrive on stupidity, to construct their apparatchik "new class" (see Milovan Djilas). Communism has never brought the utopia its adherents claim it will anywhere, but they keep trying to sell it, keep trying to push for it.

"An informed citizenry is the bulwark of democracy" - Thomas Jefferson

End imbecility and you end leftism.

Anonymous said...

I just watched a tea party crowd in Washington. That mad, terrible, group of "troublemakers" ended the rally singing God Bless America and waving American flags as they sang.

My goodness how frightening. How downright hateful. Imagine, loving our country. Why, they should be ashamed!

The host at the podium in the beginning said, "if there are people from the left in the crowd, join us", he also asked the crowd to "humor them". I'm not sure that's even possible but they can try.

Boy, I just don't think I can stand the hate!

Ducky says, the left has caught up. Really? The leftist party leaders and planners may have caught up, but not the numbers Ducky, and they won't.

All they have is the same demonization and name calling they always resort to. But, they don't have the millions of people at home watching the tea party movement, who support it.

Meanwhile our current President says he's "amused" by the tea party rallies. Well I'm glad the American people are so entertaining Mr. president.
We who are being taken to the cleaners by you and your thugs. Yes isn't that funny? Amusing?

Former President Clinton has no right to speak because he said nothing when there were signs of "kill Bush", and a film which depicted President Bush being shot.

Yes, his now partner in raising aid for his charitable organization, George W Bush. His buddy.


"Please note that you are interested in nothing but attaching blame, not resolving the sad mess."

Oh my Ducky, there's a way to resolve this mess, and the tea parties will play a big part in contributing to it. It's called an election.

You see these folks aren't just flag wavers, they're motivated and activist. This is called getting out the vote and donating money.

That's the fear on the left isn't it Ducky. All these America loving people who are so determined to make things right.

The fear is so great, a former President is willing to roll around in the mud and take part in dirty tricks.

But then class has never been the hallmark of the left has it?

Pris

lovelyprism said...

The very fist time I heard Clinton speak on TV I knew he was a liar. From that moment I could not stand to listen to the man, when he speaks I hear him the same way Snoopy hears Charlie Brown ... wah wah wahh.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Isn't it odd, Z, that it was SO part of one's patriotic duty to protest vigorously and loudly during the Bush Era, yet, now, during the reign of Mr Obaka dissent is now considered puerile and racist, with protesters labeled as mouth-breathing astroturfers?

I thought dissent was the foundation upon which this country was built?

With the exception that, when the regime changed, dissent became somehow "fishy" and suspect, conducted by the ignorant and unwashed few and -- oddly enough, ignored and mostly uncovered by the national media.

Isn't it funny how that works out NOW?

BZ

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Ducky: the resolution is remarkably simple and, further, requires NO money.

1. STOP FURTHER SPENDING
2. Begin to CUT THE BUDGET
3. NO MORE "STIMULUS"
4. No more "bailouts"
5. Reduce taxes
6. Reduce regulations on business, particularly small business
7. Truth In Bills: no riders. One topic, one bill
8. Applicability to ALL members of House and Senate. Whatever bills are passed apply to ALL politicians, staffs, etc
9. Loser pays: Tort Reform

That's just a start, off the top of my head in, say, 10 seconds.

What part of that is costly, or particularly difficult to accomplish?

BZ

Anonymous said...

BZ, Amen!

You've got more off the top of your head than leftists have in their entire brains.

Unfortunately, they don't use their brains, they live by their feelings. It's what makes them "feel good" that matters, not common sense and what works.

Pris

Z said...

Ducky, you're not serious, right? This article has zip to do with veterans and you think there's no purpose in NOT pointing out he's a vet? That is LOW, Ducky, and you know it. You usually argue a little better than that.

Don't EVER come here anymore and tell me what I'm interested or not interested in, okay? This is your new thing with me and I'm really sick of it. I know this sounds harsher in written word than it might if I were talking to you (probably wouldn't have the guts to say that in person, anyway)...but I want it stopped.
Argue, don't tell me about ME, okay?

You can see my fear for this country and tell ME that I'm no interested in "resolving this sad mess"? I think we all have to be careful with our words, by the way, but for CLINTON to say this (the 'that depends on what you mean by IT' guy) here is absolutely BIAS AGAIN, DUCKY, do you see that?
We have libs destroying property, breaking peoples' legs, sending Black Republicans to the hospital and he's worried about WORDS ...because they're words HE doesn't approve of?

Beamish, I thought you mean ROVE said there was an inside job conspiracy!! I think I see your point now after reading it again....ya, you're right.
And ya, the longer I listen to liberals, the more they sound SO STUPID and HATEFUL.

That Breitbart video SO cheered me up, I just HOPE all are watching it...but I don't think so.

FT, could you stop with LINCOLN? It has absolutely no bearing on this post or your comment and you know I don't agree with you on this but you keep bringing him up in comments and, by now, knowing how I feel, your actions are absolutely ODD by now! It particularly bugged me because I was SO MUCH enjoying your comments about McVeigh, which I HIGHLY agree with and was laughing throughout...you make excellent points there.

Pris "That's the fear on the left isn't it Ducky. All these America loving people who are so determined to make things right. "
That is their BIGGEST FEAR, no doubt about it.

Leticia, WAH WAH is right :-) Good analogy! I can't LOOK at Obama anymore, either...I have such revulsion for him.

BZ, you said "Isn't it odd, Z, that it was SO part of one's patriotic duty to protest vigorously and loudly during the Bush Era, yet, now, during the reign of Mr Obaka dissent is now considered puerile and racist, with protesters labeled as mouth-breathing astroturfers?"

AMEN, brother! (Would you email me at my normal account, not gmail, please?)

Z said...

pris, just saw your comment to BZ,do you not LOVe the good Conservatives on this site? I could HUG them all.
I also wanted to hug those rappers at the end of the CSPAn thing you told me to watch, I loved it!
White, Black, Hispanic AMERICAN KIDS rapping with CLEAN WORDS and, as the head rapper said "With their pants pulled UP!" Terrific.

I was so impressed with the whole thing, thanks for emailing me!

Elmers Brother said...

You've had a big head start but the right is such a target rich environment that the left has indeed caught up ... and this is the way it will continue till we all fall down.



duhkkky would do well to remember that 40% of Tea Partiers are Democrats/Liberals and Independents

Anonymous said...

"pris, just saw your comment to BZ,do you not LOVe the good Conservatives on this site? I could HUG them all."

Yes I do Z, and I'm going to send them hugs right now.
Hugs to you all! What great company you are.

And yes, that ending performance was great. Very positive and uplifting!

Pris

Z said...

ELBRO! Glad you could come by, you're so busy!
And YES, I forgot that point....SO MANY of the TPers are Democrats, etc......that's the most bitter pill for lefties to swallow.

Jen said...

duhkkky would do well to remember that 40% of Tea Partiers are Democrats/Liberals and Independents
------

I had NO IDEA!

That's beyond encouraging!

Anonymous said...

And I repeat, because I believe it is absolutely true:

It's implicit in virtually all people with ANY strongly held point of view to wish fervently that all opposition would vanish.

We see it from all sides and all sectors every day.

I would add, "The one thing we cannot afford to tolerate is intolerance."

Unfortunately, the Truth rarely wins any popularity contests. That's because it flatters no one.

If we wish to be flattered all the time, we wish to be deceived.

~ FreeThinke

Elmers Brother said...

We did Pat's Run today. Very moving to be a part of something that's so honorable. His life is a great example and it's right that we should remember him by raising money for veterans. Mrs. EB and I jogged nearly the whole thing. She's not much for running so we took it slow and she did wonderful. Nearly 19,000 people completed it.

Z said...

Jen, something like 30% of FOX's viewers are DEMS, too..maybe that's why there are so many good people in the TP movement.

Elbro, congratulations, and WAY TO GO MRS ELBRO! :-)

Anonymous said...

Beamish,

End imbecility and you will not only destroy leftism you will "Bring in the Millennium."

Sadly, imbecility seems an inherent ingredient in much of humanity. I'd dare to say that ALL of us are opaque about something or other and blind to much valuable wisdom.

This is not to say I disagree with you.

Cheers,

~ FT

FairWitness said...

Z, I swear I should have smacked that horse's petoot dead in the face when I had the chance. The jerk was here, campaigning for Hillary. Landed right at our airport, darn near in front of our hangar. I could have gone to the reception line and spit on him.

What a bunch of hogwash. All that blather, the entire speech, was about one thing: SHUT UP AMERICANS! We don't give a crap about what you want or think or believe in. We're in charge and we demand that you shut up, bend over and allow us to ram our agenda right up you butts!

Gawdddddd! I am getting so sick of this chit!

shoprat said...

I can smell the fear in everything the left says and writes. They have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve. Now they're trying to sing him a lullaby. It won't work.

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Always On Watch said...

The left is fearful of the consequences of the words of the Tea Partiers.

Always On Watch said...

This, from the man who parsed the meaning of "is." Sheesh.

Z said...

Always..that's right! It isn't "it", as I wrote, it's "IS"! Oops....I found it, but I'm not changing it..it's in my first comment here.

IS, y'all..not IT! :-)

Anonymous said...

Classic Rush response to Clinton 's Alinksy-style tactics:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_041610/content/01125108.guest.html

RUSH = ALWAYS a TREAT.

~ FreeThinke

Maggie Thornton said...

Wouldn't they love to shut us up? This speech just shows their realization of the power of the Tea Party movement.

I don't think anyone listens to Bill Clinton anymore.

Great post Z and excellent commentary.

beakerkin said...

The Duck is full of it. He waxes and rationalizes the actions of Bill Ayers and is "concerned" about the Tea Party crew. Of course the fact that when Ayers, Jim Jones, Mugabe and others are identified as Commie criminals he jumps through hoops and rings and does more contortions than Linda Blair in the exorcist.

Commies always talk about the American people rising up. Only when they do it is not quite what they bargained for and then they spread mythology about bigotry and violence. There are more arrests at communist sponsored Nuremberg style peace protests. One does not even have to look hard for Truthers and Jew hatred.

The prosecution rests, the Duck should be placed on a plane to visit with Kim Jong Mentally Ill.

Anonymous said...

Extreme violence against two Lousiana conservatives by Leftist Anarchists from New Orleans. The two, who had attended a fundraiser for Bobby Jindahl were savagely beaten - the girl's leg and the man's jaw were broken in the attack by leftist thugs.

Read it here:

http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/2010/04/18/when-will-the-violence-stop/

Do you think Boy Clinton and the White House Gang will have anything to say about THIS?

HAH! Don't make me laugh!

~ FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

Maybe the truest statement on this thread:

The very first time I heard Clinton speak on TV I knew he was a liar. From that moment I could not stand to listen to the man, when he speaks I hear him the same way Snoopy hears Charlie Brown ... wah wah wahh.

I felt EXACTLY the same way, Lovely. The first time I laid eyes on him, I thought, "I'd never buy a used car from THAT man."

We were right, weren't we?

~ FreeThinke

MK said...

"The two-term Democratic president insisted he wasn't trying to restrict free speech..."

Off course, he was just trying to smear them into submission.

Anonymous said...

If there's anything worse than having one finger pointed at you, it's having TWO fingers pointed at you.

That man is OFFENSIVE.

~ FreeThinke