Friday, February 18, 2011

Hating America 101

Is there another country which actually teaches its children to hate it?   I can't think of one.  I know Germans were raised explicitly not to be proud of Germany because of the NAZI horrors, but I can't think of another whole society whose teachers are ruining a country from within for teaching kids about the worst of their country before they learn the best.

When I was in elementary school, we learned how wonderful America is!  We learned patriotic songs, we said the Pledge of Allegiance, we celebrated Washington and Lincoln's birthdays, we didn't have them lumped into President's Day.  There was no choice but to love America when I was little, you couldn't help but soak in the best when I was in school.  I wonder how many kids today could tell you which presidents are celebrated on President's Day?

Today, our children learn about slavery at very young ages, while still in elementary school.   Our blogger friend Susannah commented recently that she went to her child's school on MLK Day only to hear very young children lamenting about how awful America is for having had slaves!  Very near to my home, there's an elementary school which gave extra credit to elementary-aged children who marched against Bush and the Iraq War.  "America hated Blacks and made them slaves!" "America shouldn't go to war and that Bush shouldn't be president!What horrible things for young, impressionable minds to be poisoned with.   We heard about slavery in junior or senior high school, our teachers would never have dreamed of talking against a president or a war in public school when all opinions were then valued and respected.  We never ever knew the politics of our teachers and that's the way it should be.

Can a country SURVIVE its children hating their country and then going to university to really seal the deal?  What do you think?  (Please, this is not about keeping truth from children, so let's not go there in our comments...I believe my post is clear on that point and also why I chose to write it, thanks)
z

78 comments:

Speedy G said...

A general mistrust of government and of trusting government to do "what's right" can be a good thing.

But, meden agan!

Speedy G said...

fyi.

beamish said...

Exactly, Speedy.

You can always tell a political charlatan right away from their "don't trust government until I'm elected" nonsense, used with varying degrees of success by leftist politicians like Barack Obama and Ron Paul.

I always thought it ironic that I borrowed money from the government to attend college to learn that the government I borrowed money from is the evil scourge of the Earth worthy of nothing but contempt.

[Well, they did make me pay the loan back. ;) ]

Anonymous said...

Once more we need to get back to basics -- or "root causes," if you prefer.

This was sent to me through email a few months ago. I have no idea who wrote it, but I thought it worth sharing:

"The argument that the level of discussion in any dispute should be kept civil is intriguing. It only works, however, when you are dealing with reasonable, civil people. 

When someone hits you publicly with something like a sexual harassment charge without producing clear and convincing evidence or going through appropriate channels then this is not reasonable or civil discussion. Our present PC atmosphere with its bevy of politically motivated taboos precludes that. 

... I am reminded of a joke one of my oldest friends, who is Jewish, once told me. He said:

There was a line of Jews waiting their turn to go into the gas chamber. One young man stepped out of line, and screamed, “Enough is enough, I'm not taking this lying down anymore.”

An elderly man behind him tugged on the his coat and said, "Shut up, you want to cause trouble?"
 

Those who wish to stifle open debate, are the elderly man.

Anonymous said...

Until parents organize, and take back their kids, nothing will change.

We're paying for our own destruction, and parents of these children, are being undermined, and are on the outside looking in.

Schools no longer welcome parental involvement like they used to. In fact, the educational establishment is more likely to treat parents like they do the children.

Teachers, encouraged by their union in Wisconsin took, or encouraged their students to participate in their demonstrations in Madison.

A caller to the radio yesteday said as a parent, if that was done with his child, he would charge the teachers union, the teacher, and the school with kidnapping.

He pointed out, that if violence had taken place, and students were hurt or worse, the people responsible would be accountable, and those people are the teachers, the union, and the school, for allowing it.

I point all this out to demonstrate that, with the absence of parents, the education establishment will go as far as they see fit.

They're not afraid of a backlash, and they are in control because parents have abdicated their rights, autonomy, and responsibilities as parents.

I know there are good teachers, and they too, remain quiet. It's time for intimidation to become a thing of the past. It's time to stand up and be counted before it's too late, if it isn't already.

I know I sound like a broken record, but I see this as so important, I'll just keep saying it.

Pris

Common Sense said...

I have heard parents tell their children and their grand children how disgusting and how evil and how bad both GWB and BO are.

I've heard parents from both sides of the asle tell them how evil the other side is.

What's the difference? If you teach hate either at home or school the child will grow up to hate.

I've read comments on this blog that I hope no child ever reads.

Just my opinion.

Common Sense said...

Don't send your kids to public schools, problem solved.

Ducky's here said...

How would you have the history of slavery taught, z?

If you're in a southern state these days you won't even admit slavery's role in secession but that isn't indoctrination.

What you will continue to learn is that the dogma of your very extreme idea of exceptionalism is simply not excepted by any but a minority nd you will not be allowed to write the history.

Z said...

Speedy, kids don't need a general mistrust of government when they're in elementary school, in my opinion.
I just wish their teachers and folks would teach the kids to do "what's right", then maybe they can affect the government when they're older!?

Common Sense..Oh, I'm sure there are parents who don't like Obama, there just MUST be! :-)
My blog is not for children. And, of course, the stats show that approx 90% of teachers veer left, admittedly..actually, I believe it was 92 but I'm eager for confirmation if anybody has those articles. thanks.
Common Sense...I never heard them singing love songs to Bush like they did here in Venice and other neighborhoods throughout the country with lyrics like "mmmm..Barack Hussein Obama.." and rapping about his praise...did you?

I'm so sorry some are missing my point...it's that kids need to learn that this country is the exceptional place it is and that getting a basic love of country is absolutely necessary so when the liberal teachers and media start hacking away, they can at least think rationally.
My nephews and nieces were taught in Center to Right homes and tell me that, especially at Colombia, they just had to reiterate what the profs said to get good grades.

Z said...

By the way, Common Sense, you make a point that is valid about kids learning hate at home. Why it's come to this is beyond me but it sure is divided and divisive in our country, isn't it.
I guess it's because the two sides are really in such strong disagreement about such vital policies.
It's good to come here and discuss all the sides, I really appreciate your reminder. It isn't just the left who blasts good Americans, but I will say I've never ever heard of a Conservative site which had to close under the HUGE barrage of nasty "thank God he's dead" comments that Tony Snow got, precipitating the Huffington Post having to close down and, later, deleting them all. I've also personally never heard any "Thank God Ted Kennedy died" comments......

Z said...

Pris! I always so admire and agree with you that I sometimes forget to thank you, and you deserve thanks...great comment..and yes, IT IS THE PARENTS.

If the parents were awake or cared, (or weren't JUST about the age where they've graduated in the first wave of LEFTIES RULE AND CONSERVATIVES ARE STUPID AND MEAN indoctrination), our new generations would have a chance.

As it is now? I doubt it.

Common Sense said...

I was taught as a child to question everything the teachers told me, everything.

I was not well liked by the teachers but I learned how to get around it......I aced every test and aced every class.

There was nothing they could do about all my questions, I loved it.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Z. This subject as you know, is close to my heart. Our kids' welfare must come first. It's their future which is at stake. I know you care as much, and thanks for this post.

Pris

cube said...

Elementary school kids shouldn't be burdened with politically charged propaganda. There is time for a fair examination of the failings of our country when they're older and are able to think critically.

Trouble is most teachers and their union lean towards the left and this is often the path chosen for lesson plans begining with the smallest children.

mmmm mmmm mmmm Barack Hussein Obama.

I never heard any songs about Bush. I'm just saying...

Anonymous said...

I was not well liked by the teachers but I learned how to get around it......I aced every test and aced every class.

There was nothing they could do about all my questions, I loved it.


Great accomplishment, of course, but I doubt if it made anyone like you any better. Apparently, there's nothing more irritating and bound to inspire persecution than a demonstration of manifest excellence or superior knowledge -- especially if it's accompanied by a show of pride or any trace of self-adulation.

Does it give you a warm glow of satisfaction to be hated by your inferiors, or is there sufficient reward in just being unusually capable?

Too many people take any overt sign of high intelligence, advanced understanding or unusual accomplishment as evidence of conceit or "pretentiousness."

Too bad! It's one of the main reasons society finds improving itself to be all but impossible. We learn so little from history, because our accursed capacity for boundless egoism makes learning from one another highly unlikely.

Unfortunately, that's the way of the world. Meanwhile, enjoy being who you are, and "Do not weary in well doing."

Common Sense said...

Does it give you a warm glow of satisfaction to be hated by your inferiors, or is there sufficient reward in just being unusually capable?

I don't believe in inferiors students. I believe every child or young adult can ace every test and every class if they wanted and decided to do so.

Anonymous said...

Common sense, we never taught hate to our children. We taught our values, which included love of country. They understood the difference between right and wrong as well.

Schools at one time, had a picture of the current President in every classroom, and we were taught the Presidency was to be respected, regardless of who held that office. That's what our children were taught as well.

Politics was not referred to in classes in terms of party affiliation, or which may be better or worse. We didn't know what party affiliation our teachers supported either.

Btw, some adult discussions are not always meant for children's ears. Parents ought to have the sense to know that.

However, if a parent believes an opposing view is not appropriate, or does not agree with the parents' values, that parent should tell his child that he doesn't agree, and tell him/her why.

The point of the post is, there is no longer an effort by schools to teach with objectivity, or with respect for parental values. There is no longer a continuity between school and home, as there once was.

Furthermore, it's our money which funds the public schools, and as such we have every right to demand responsible teaching of our children.

Pris
PS. All parents can't afford private school. That's why I support school vouchers.

FrogBurger said...

How would you have the history of slavery taught, z?

By saying it was not just the Americans, but also African themselves selling their kids, then French buying the slaves to later sell them to Americans.

FrogBurger said...

Z, it's sickening to me.

I went to the "Ellis Island" of the West Coast in the San Francisco Bay. The museum was all about how miserable the conditions were for Asian immigrants, how bad the questioning was, etc... Sickening.

That island was also used to intern Japanese during WW2 but never do they mention Roosevelt, the progressive did this.

The left manipulates history constantly. All of this despite the fact the body count is a lot higher on their side. It's sickening.

Joe Conservative said...

Speaking of hating America...

Anonymous said...

You can always tell a political charlatan right away from their "don't trust government until I'm elected" nonsense, used with varying degrees of success by leftist politicians like Barack Obama and Ron PaulSmearing Ron and Rand Paul

Posted Friday, February 18, 2011 9:31 AM

By David Weigel - SLATE. com

Another day, another vitriolic and personal David Horowitz attack on a conservative who doesn't meet his purity test. Today he amplifies Gary Bauer's call to action against a proposal from Rep. Ron Paul, R-Tex., to cut foreign aid to Israel.

”Long ago Bill Buckley drummed the anti-Semites out of the conservative movement, and the movement thrived as a result. But the Jew-haters have returned. For years the Texas crackpot, Ron Paul, has been attacking America and Israel as imperialist powers — the Great Satan and the Little Satan, and calling for America’s retreat from the battle against our totalitarian enemies.” 

Clever switcheroo there, implying that Paul refers to America and Israel in the same term as Islamic terrorists. (He doesn't, hence the lack of a citation.)

Paul did propose cutting aid to Israel, as part of legislation cutting aid to ALL Middle Eastern nations. This is the same thing his son Rand has proposed in the Senate. For some reason, as the younger Paul told me at CPAC, all anyone wants to talk about is the aid to Israel.

"People emphasize too much the cuts to one particular country," said Paul. "We had $500 billion of cuts. The cuts to that one particular country were 3/5 of 1 percent of it.

And you know what? Netanyahu has come out in favor of less foreign aid and less dependence on America. There are many right-wing Likud politicians who think that it hampers their sovereignty. But the bottom line is, it has nothing to do with Israel or their allies or anything."

Now: What Paul is referring to here isn't actually
mainstream. The most recent article about Israeli conservatives who oppose American foreign aid was published in The New American, the John Birch Society's magazine, and its sourcing was weak -- the Manhigut Yehudit faction of Likud, the Zionist Freedom Alliance.

Netanyahu has talked about getting less foreign aid, but not necessarily in this context. But none of that means the Pauls are anti-Semites because they want to cut foreign aid to everyone including Israel.

A fringe position that's bad for Israel is not an anti-Semitic position.

Apply the Horowitz/Bauer logic to every other spending cut and a cut to the EPA would make you pro-poison; a cut to Head Start makes you anti-child. This isn't a formulation conservatives accept or should accept.

Always On Watch said...

Is there another country which actually teaches its children to hate it?

Actually, some other Western countries basically do just that -- mainly in the name of multiculturalism and diversity.

However, you won't find Islamic countries abrogating their culture or their sense of nationalism. Just sayin'.

Always On Watch said...

In my view, 5th grade is the earliest level at which children should start learning that their nation isn't perfect and wonderful.

Teaching children too early about the flaws of their nation results in children not understanding later on that their nation is indeed worthy and most of its traditions worth preserving.

I would also note that I don't equate nation with government. The two are related, of course, but I don't view them as one and the same.

beamish said...

A fringe position that's bad for Israel is not an anti-Semitic position.

But mendaciously posting links to white supremacist websites and cutting and pasting conspiracy theory nonsense from them that delusionally suggests supporters of Israel are controlled by a "Zionist Occupied Government" IS an anti-Semitic position.

You're irredeemable, FreakStinke. Now, instead of obsessively lingering on and polluting a blog forum you were clearly asked to leave by its owner, how about leaving?

Nobody is interested in your self-esteem deficiencies. Really. Grab some vodka and a pistol and see which one puts you out first.

beamish said...

...as if Michael Kinsley's Slate.com were the go-to place for advice on what's acceptable to conservatism....

::rolls eyes::

FrogBurger said...

Teaching children too early about the flaws of their nation results in children not understanding later on that their nation is indeed worthy and most of its traditions worth preserving.

The left doesn't understand nothing is perfect in life, including the history of ALL nations.

In the extreme, my French lefty teachers told me the genocide of the Chouans and the Terrerur were necessary.

The left is amazing, isn't it?

Brooke said...

My father always told me to parrot back on tests what my teachers wanted to hear, but to learn the truth in the interim.

The man was ahead of his day.

Z said...

Cube says it more succinctly than I "Elementary school kids shouldn't be burdened with politically charged propaganda. There is time for a fair examination of the failings of our country when they're older and are able to think critically."

And oh, yes...those little songs adoring Obama were quite the rage, Cube..did you ever see those videos?

Ducky, yet you will never tell me which country is more exceptional! How many times have I asked you, 10? does that mean we're perfect? No, look up the word.
As for slavery? Please read the posts before commenting. Thanks so much.

Common Sense..there's a way of exhibiting knowledge that's given with humility and kindness.....it's when we think (know) we're right that others are so understandably and rightly TIRED OF LISTENING! Especially if we have to hear HOW right that person is!

Brooke, your dad was a prophet.

AOW, I think 5th grade is early but you're dealing with better educated kids than public school. I'd say 7th grade, the earliest.

I grieve for a country whose lefties have created hatred in their children's hearts and minds....I don't know which countries you mean; I know the liberals in Germany, at least, DO constantly pound their chests with 'mea culpa' over all the ills they ever did ... remember, they couldn't sing "Deutschland Uber Alles" after the war (verses were changed) and, probably, rightly so, but today's Germans are no more guilty for the nightmares of the holocaust than I am and yet the liberals of today won't let it go..they seem to revel in it.

FRogBurger made me laugh with his comment because the French will brag about some pretty questionable practices! I kind of like it, tell you the truth :-) Obviously, I wouldn't think bragging about genocides is funny.
But, it's like anyone suggesting most countries weren't better for having been colonialized; most were. I"ve spoken to NIgerians, Indians...etc.etc...the left won't let them admit it but in private they will.

It's an odd world......our kids are suffering, or WILL suffer, the most.

Anonymous said...

The asinine little vendetta you see carried on by the Resident Thug, Chief Liar and Bouncer Wannabe at geeeeeZ is a product of the cultural degeneracy with which the Frankfurt School and all the rest of the original leftists infected this sick, sad, moribund society.

Crude, witless insolence of that base and ignoble a caliber would have been inconceivable before the minions of the militantly coarse, aggressive advocates of corruption, deceit and degeneracy took over.

The saddest thing is that not only have you failed to beat them, you have long ago been absorbed by them, and are now zealously aiding and abetting their cause -- and you don't even realize it.

"Ignorant armies that clash by night."

It would be funny, if it weren't so terribly sad.

Anonymous said...

Children are being taught to hate this country, because aggressive liars like Thugboy over there have made it a hateful place.

Z said...

Free Thinker, stop. Please don't force me to say more.

Mustang said...

Can a country SURVIVE its children hating their country and then going to university to really seal the deal?

No ... but this is what the progressives who now run public education want to achieve: destroy the family, make kids stupid, create generations of people without critical thinking skills, and destroy the country. It is not a mistake that the Progressive Agenda shares the same goals with the Moslem Brotherhood: bring America down.

Now let me ask, how many young people between 18 and 24 understand the issues confronting the Constitutional Convention? If you answered hardly any, you would be correct. And if this is the case, why load young children down with misplaced guilt, and tell them how horrible America is, when they cannot understand any of the salient issues?

Progressives understand that stupid people are easy to govern. Progressives understand that the average person suffers information overload. Progressives count on the fact that the average person’s plate is full right now. Scum that they are, Progressives intend to take every advantage to push forward their agenda. Oh, you need proof?

http://tinyurl.com/4kr6vwx

Anonymous said...

"... there's a way of exhibiting knowledge that's given with humility and kindness.....it's when we think (know) we're right that others are so understandably and rightly TIRED OF LISTENING! Especially if we have to hear HOW right that person is!"

Maybe you should tell that directly to Thugboy? I don't think he gets it -- do YOU?

The truth may be tiresome -- especially when it doesn't flatter is hearers -- but that never stops it from being true.

Unfortunately, there are far too many who wouldn't recognize the truth, if it bit them on the cheek -- just as there many who speak glibly of humility and kindness and haven't the faintest idea what humility and kindness really are.

Perhaps one sends thugs to poke sticks into the eyes of those who dare to tell the truth, because they are afraid of what those daring eyes might see?

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Z said...

FT, you exhibit something that worries me for you.
By the way, to finally put it to an end as I've seen your rather puzzling implications more than once now, please remember how I asked you to please GO. WHen I have a 'fight', I take care of my fights. Whatever you would like to prefer to imagine is yours, not mine. I'm truly sorry you have pushed me that far. Stop insulting, please?

Anonymous said...

I went to the "Ellis Island" of the West Coast in the San Francisco Bay. The museum was all about how miserable the conditions were for Asian immigrants, how bad the questioning was, etc... Sickening.

Oh yes, Froggie! You are so right. The last time I went to see Mount Vernon, Monticello and the James River plantations the Marxist-Revisionists in charge of those places nowadays have seen to it that the grace, beauty and refinement for which those places were always known has been downplayed as much as possible. The focus now is on the slaves and the horrible injustices they were subjected to.

We truly ARE being conditioned now to be ASHAMED of our once-proud heritage.

Browbeating a culture into condemning itself is a new way to conquer. You ought to look at a boo called Culture of Critique. It will make your hair stand on end, but it's a real eye opener.

We've been systematically bamboozled, hornswoggled, vilified and insulted to the point we're now scared of our own shadows.

Anonymous said...

Ha ha! "Boo" must have been a Freudian slip. Culture of Critique is a book, but it deals with long, increasingly BOO directed at Western Civilization. The forces explicated in Culture of Critique deserve OUR loudest BOOS.

Anonymous said...

FYI:

Slate.com is a US-based liberal English language online current affairs and culture magazine created in 1996 by former New Republic editor Michael Kinsley, initially under the ownership of Microsoft as part of MSN.


On 21 December 2004 it was purchased by the Washington Post Company. Since 4 June 2008 Slate has been managed by The Slate Group, an online publishing entity created by the Washington Post Company to develop and manage web-only magazines.


Since June 2008, David Plotz has served as the editor of Slate. He had been the deputy editor to Jacob Weisberg, Slate's editor from 2002 until his designation as the Chairman and Editor-in-Chief of The Slate Group.


The Washington Post Company's John Alderman is Slate's publisher. Slate (ISSN 1091-2339), which is updated daily, covers politics, arts and culture, sports, and news. It is ad-supported and has been available to read free of charge since 1999.


Liberal undoubtedly, but hardly an anti-Semitic, hate-based "lunatic fringe" publication.


Interesting that it attempts to be fair to the Pauls, although the motive was probably more to get at neocon, red diaper baby David Horowitz.

christian soldier said...

HOME EDUCATION=HOMESCHOOLING-
ANYONE!!!
Carol-CS

beamish said...

The asinine little vendetta you see carried on by the Resident Thug, Chief Liar and Bouncer Wannabe at geeeeeZ is a product of the cultural degeneracy with which the Frankfurt School and all the rest of the original leftists infected this sick, sad, moribund society

The anti-Semitic, racist sock puppeteering poster who at different times calls itself FreeThinke, Jesus Christ, Angie, and other aliases continues to post here at Z's despite being asked to leave. Were this a home, rather than an internet forum, the anti-Semitic, racist sock puppeteer FreeThinke would be guilty of burglary, trespassing, and criminal assault. Were this a home, Z would be within her rights to defend her home and herself against FreeThinke's obsessed invasions and assaults with lethal force.

You're made yourself the biggest jerk and asshole anyone has ever encountered on the internet, FreeThinke, one that takes pleasure in forcing himself upon a female blogger who has asked you repeatedly, for over a month, to go away.

Just go. The only thing easier than locating your home via your computer's IP address is going to your home and breaking off your fingers.

Anonymous assaults aren't so fun when you're on the recieving end in 3D.

Go be the "ex friend" you claim to be, and go away.

beamish said...

FYI:

Slate.com is a US-based liberal English language online current affairs and culture magazine created in 1996 by former New Republic editor Michael Kinsley, initially under the ownership of Microsoft as part of MSN.


FYI:

"FreeThinke" is the usual anonymous name chosen by an asshole who continues to post anonymously at GeeeeeZ despite wearing out his welcome by posting links to white supremacist, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying websites that all have the common element of being Ron Paul's political base.

Interesting that it attempts to be fair to the Pauls, although the motive was probably more to get at neocon, red diaper baby David Horowitz.

Who is Jewish, and for his Jewishness alone is vehemently despised by the same white supremacist, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying circles that Ron Paul and Rand Paul pander to.

Horowitz is an ex-leftist. Ron Paul has been everything but a non-leftist.

beamish said...

How would you have the history of slavery taught, z?

If you're in a southern state these days you won't even admit slavery's role in secession but that isn't indoctrination.


I grew up in Southern states and experienced public education there. In fourth grade Alabama History class [1979-80] my idiotic NEA propagandist, er, "teacher," who was old enough to have been on the streets of Birmingham then [and right down the street too] tried to push the whopper that Eugene "Bull" Connor of firehosing the civil rights demonstrators infamy, was a "Republican."

This while an ardent Dixicrat racist [Jimmy Carter] sat in the White House awaiting his impending unseating by an actual Republican.

If you think my classroom protests were wild, you should have seen the outbursts of the black students who also knew better.

Slavery, as taught in the Alabama and Texas schools I attended, was neither whitewashed nor dismissed as the primary inspiration for the Democrat insurrection against legitimate Constitutional authority in the Civil War.

The only thing you'll find out of place in history textbooks used in the south is a failure to identify, by either neglect or mendacious misattribution, the Democratic Party's role in both their perennial attempts to subvert the US Constitition for their anti-Federalist aims, as well as their various terrorist groups [Ku Klux Klan, Weather Underground, etc.] dedicated to that ignoble goal.

My public school American history textbooks then spent a paragraph on General Patton and three pages on Marilyn Monroe and Andy Warhol. I can't imagine how useless American history textbooks are 20+ years later.

Right-wing indoctrination in public schools? Surely you jest, Ducky.

Anonymous said...

Just go. The only thing easier than locating your home via your computer's IP address is going to your home and breaking off your fingers.

Anonymous assaults aren't so fun when you're on the recieving end in 3D.


Go be the "ex friend" you claim to be, and go away.

WOWEE! That sounds remarkably like a threat to do grievous bodily harm, doesn't it? I believe there are LAWS against that sort of thing. You'd better be careful, Blutto. Criminal activities have consequences.

I SAID that sooner or later you'd have to resort to threats of violence. Your type always does. Once again you prove me right.

This is a PUBLC forum. The object of your vicious, moronic and utterly unwarranted campaign to bully him off the site with repeated lies, grotesque insults, absurd unfounded accusations and vain attempts to assassinate his character refuses to be intimidated by you. That enrages an impotent, ill-natured, inconsequential individual like you and drives you on to commit further verbal atrocities, and now an actual threat of violence.

The object of your ridiculous attempts to act as a cat's paw for someone who doesn't want to do her own dirty work, because it might tarnish the phony image of sweetness and light she wishes to project has never published anything here that even begins to stoop to the gutter level at which you perpetually operate.

All you have accomplished, Blutto, is to expose YOURSELF as a prime example of all the ugly, evil, dishonest things you clumsily pretend to find objectionable.

I'd recommend you apply to the Mafia to find work as a hit man, but I doubt you'd be up to the job. You're nothing more than a blowhard with a nasty disposition and an inflated ego.

Keep talking. You get less and less impressive and more and more ridiculous with every utterance.

The object of your vendetta came here to discuss issues and offer opinions. It is only YOU with your insistence on taking umbrage at a mildly enthusiastic observation he made about Ron Paul -- an obviously false, trumped up excuse for picking a fight -- that has created a toxic atmosphere at this blog.

By YOUR dogging the footsteps of this perfectly respectable poster, and making a relentless, increasingly odious series of attacks upon him the ugliness and inanity that now prevails in some of these threads is entirely YOUR responsibility.

Do you honestly think that because YOU have taken it upon yourself to rid this blog of a poster whose "style" your mistress decided she finds annoying, that the poster in question ought simply to say "Oh yes sir. I'll leave right away. I'm glad to accommodate you, Your Worship. I'm so awfully, terribly, dreadfully sorry to have offended the delicate sensibilities of the dear and highly esteemed female -- this Tower of Ivory, this Mystical Rose, this Chaste Vessel of Supreme Christian Virtue -- who would prefer to run this place like a capricious Czarina while maintaining her phony image as a secular saint. I promise you, dear sir, I'll go straight to hell where surely I belong. i shall then be grateful to roast piously in an attitude of eternal repentance for my grievous sins, and never, ever deign to darken the door of this hallowed blogspot again."

GEDOUDDAHERE!

beamish said...

Speaking flattering of yourself in the third person to perpetuate your failed illusion and sock puppet show does nothing to extricate you from the catagory of pathetic, FreekStinke. Especially when you lack the ability to conceal or obfuscate the timestamp and IP logs that show all of your breathlessly posted "anonymous" histrionics originate from the same computer.

As if some "other" innocuous anonymous bystander to all of your immature antics to not comply with a request for you to leave just stumbled into the blog, decided s/he's hated the way Z runs her blog, and rose to defend your non-existent honor. The only one delusional enough to believe such a farce would be you, FreekStinke.

Want to prosecute me for making threats? Take your best shot, pipsqueak.

I bet if Z were to give me your IP address I'd be in your house force feeding you your fingers well before you got a cop to listen to your sob story about how anti-Semitic racist assholes such as yourself can't post on blogs you hate without being asked to leave and never return.

Pretty sad state you've reduced yourself to there, FreekStinke. The only one actually saving your fingers from removal is the mercy of the blog hostess you won't stop harassing.

I can't fathom how sad, depressing, and pathetic it must be to derive one's esteem from whether or not a single blog of millions on the internet welcomes your insipid contributions.

Tell me, FreekStinke, how do you decide to keep a pistol out of your mouth day to day? Ever thought about changing your mind?

beamish said...

[cue the anti-Semitic and racist FreekStinke's revealingly obsessed and lifeless "anonymous" return to a blog forum he disrespects and run by a hostess he hates in 5... 4... 3...]

Z said...

This will stop soon or I will be deleting all future comments in regard to this ridiculous situation FT has finally brought down on his head. I will not explain another second why he has been asked to leave; he knows it, other bloggers know it.
This "Czarina" owns this blog, nobody else. and she is offended and DONE.
I wouldn't want to be where I am not wanted..it's shocking and sad to someone who actually doesn't mind.

Z said...

And, by the way, it's sad to read this kind of unkindness from anybody, it really is.
Time to change course and do thinks that make us joyful in our private lives....something's causing this amazing deluge and I hope all that clears up, I really do.

Anonymous said...

PART ONE

Dear, Z,

"Ridiculous" is exactly the word for it.

I do NOT understand your antipathy towards me. I think it must be rooted in a misunderstanding that took place a long time ago that was never cleared up. Unfortunately, it has festered, and here we are. I admit your frosty attitude towards my participation here, which emerged soon after you started geeeeeZ, got my back up, but only because I could see no justification for it. I am the same person I've always been. If anyone has changed, it must be you.

Not so very long ago we emailed each other just about every day -- sometimes three or four times a day. I kept several thousand of the emails we exchanged for years. Sadly they disappeared after my computer died a couple of months ago. I was a nice correspondence, and I treasured much of it.

We also had heart-to-heart talks on the telephone.

We exchanged street addresses several years ago, and I sent you a few examples of some of the work I'd done. We talked happily about the holiday meals we were planning.

We TRUSTED each other.

I knew of many of your sorrows and anxieties, and you knew of mine -- we've both had plenty, as well you know. We were sympathetic and supportive of one another. We were FRIENDS -- or so I thought.

This went on quite happily for five or six years. Unfortunately, it stopped almost immediately after you started this blog. I've never understood why, and I admit it's had me rankled, because I could never see any reason for your radical change in attitude.

There's no point in trying to explain myself further, because there's an adamant determination here to interpret anything and everything I might say in the worst possible light.

If there were an ounce of fairness or objectivity in appraising these admittedly grotesque carryings on, it should be obvious the mendacious rhetoric indulged in by your pal "Beamish" is cruder, more unjust and a great deal nastier than anything I -- or anyone else has ever posted here before. Regrettably, it's highly reminiscent of the days when Socrates, Jonesy and DONAL terrorized and laid waste the boards at FPM -- and when Fair Witness, Donal and Batya ganged up on you AND me at FPM and at that private FPM spinoff group we once belonged to.

I looked very good to you then, and vice versa. What happened?

If you insist on regarding the obscene, grotesquely insulting taunts and vicious lies that Beamish keeps hurling in my direction as acceptable blog conduct while insisting that anything I might have to say on any subject is not, you've moved behind the realm of reason.

Friends quarrel. Close friends often say dreadful things to one another in the heat of the moment, but they usually get over it, then kiss and make up. A determination to stay angry, and refuse even to consider forgiving a friend or loved one can only hurt the one who bears the grudge.

Anonymous said...

PART TWO

A Poison Tree

I was angry with my friend:
I told my wrath, my wrath did end.
I was angry with my foe;
I told it not, my wrath did grow.

And I water'd it in fears,

Night and morning with my tears; 

And I sunned it with my smiles 

And with soft deceitful wiles.

And it grew both day and night, 

Till it bore an apple bright;

And my foe beheld it shine, 

And he knew that it was mine,

And into my garden stole

When the night had veil'd the pole:

In the morning glad I see

My foe outstretch'd beneath the tree


~ Wm. Blake (1757-1827)

If you read that properly, you’d see in it an olive branch. Plainly, I have been furious with you for allowing Beamish to carry on as he has done the past few weeks as though his disgusting behavior were justified.

I'm sorry, but it was impossible for me to allow such unprincipled tactics to be used without making an attempt to stand up to them.

The game, however, is no longer worth the candle. Apparently, there is no way to get justice in this court.

So, you can relax now. You won't be hearing from me again. I have preserved the record of what has been said here, and I take some comfort in knowing that I am the only party who has been wronged.

I hope some day you will foster a rational discussion about Ron and Rand Paul without having to put up with mindlessly spiteful catcalls from the peanut gallery. I won't be here, so perhaps that will be possible.

I hope you and all the others here will one day see that thugs, bullies and liars always make unworthy interlocutors.

Try to remember this if nothing else:

"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought – not free thought for those that agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate."

~ Oliver W. Holmes (1841-1935)

I hope no further evil befalls you, Z. You've had more than enough -- but then so have I. You're in a position to understand that better than anyone else who comes here -- with the possible exception of Faith. I had hoped for more empathy and understanding from you, Z. I hope someday you will be able to forgive me for allowing myself to give way to annoyance when it was not forthcoming.

Take care,

FreeThinke

Z said...

Goodbye, Free Thinker...
I, too, am sorry all of this happened.
I've never wanted to mention this here but I will now. How many times did you email me how sorry you were for how you behaved here? Then you would come back, everything was FINE for several days, then slowly..slowly..all those off-topic posts with copy/pastes to support your point of view just to show you were right and everyone was wrong...much like FPM. Then more and more of that, then long poems I'd asked you to please not post so many of........then your attitude of superiority which is fine once or twice, everyone feels they have THE WAY from time to time, but it got too much.
Then you'd leave. THen you'd email me so sorry again.
Then you were back, and I'd actually be quite happy you were back...only to start the downward spiral again. But then the insults started, even telling me, while I was so sick, some pretty unbelievably nasty things. I ignored them and hoped you'd have the dignity after that to either apologize or leave.
I'm as sorry as you are all of this has happened.

By the way....no, I haven't changed a bit, I've just grown up a little. A lot.

all the best. Z

beamish said...

Z,

I do my best to tolerate imbecilic, offensive, mouth-foaming, anti-Semitic, racist, Neo-Nazi, white supremacist, Holocaust denying left-wing twits from Noam Chomsky or Ron Paul appreciation websites by not visiting their puerile corner of the Internet to agitate and disturb them with facts, logic, and reason.

Theirs is an innately illucid stupidity not at all amenable to anything outside a non-hesitating, smashing kick to the teeth, which is honestly much more fun in physical interaction than it will ever be online. Seriously. There's few things in life as viscerally satisfying as plucking pieces of a neo-Nazi's face out of your boot treads after a raucous night of the ol' acta non verba.

Man, I miss high school. Good times.

Regardless, I didn't actively seek any confrontation with FreekStinke, the ill-mannered, oafish refugee from the Stormfront cesspool. When he began copying and pasting from Holocaust denial websites, my visceral hatred of Nazis kicked in. Nothing irks me more than leftists who are too stupid to figure out that they are just another klavern of leftists relentlessly trying to dialectical materialize their shit into candy bars.

I guess what I'm saying is I will be, and have always have been intolerant of assholes. Especially neo-Nazi assholes. And FreekStinke obviously and undeniably proved himself to be a neo-Nazi asshole.

But his just being an asshole even without his filthy cryptoleft politics was sufficient casus belli when FreekStinke was asked to depart after his latest perennial psychological meltdown, and refused to do so.

As far as I'm concerned, he waived his right to free air when he crossed a line of decency and started stalking and harassing you online, Z, trying to turn your blog into his one-man anonymous neo-Nazi dipshit sock puppet support group.

Sadly, it wasn't about me. If FreekStinke were after me, he could have easily come to my blog, or even emailed me directly. No, he thrived on insulting you, fixating on your blog to press his bizarre and arrogant sense that he needed to continue on your blog after being asked to depart and never return, like some crusading knight errant for the voice of anti-Semitism and the taste of Ron Paul's anus.

I was merely a distraction. If not to badger me here, FreekStinke would have doubtlessly found some other reason to post here, given that his main goal was to defy your wishes that he leave and take his cornpone George Lincoln Rockwell victimology politics with him.

I hesitate to speak of the goofy troll in the past tense, given his obsession with overstaying his welcome here by over a month.

I'd like to think he's finally taken the hint and rejoined his fellow homosexuals at the Stormfront flophouse, but as we know, leftists are incapable of rational thought.

Maybe he'll shock us by disappearing forever.

Or, maybe not.

Z said...

Beamish, let's let it go.
You make an excellent point that he could have argued all these points that you and he went mano-a-mano on at your blog.
Let's just hope this is all over.
I've never quite been treated like this, maybe even in real life...and I hope it's the end.

beamish said...

Well, I hope it's all over too.

Turning off the option to allow anonymous commenting here may forestall and delay the mendacious little neo-Nazi toad from further vandalizing your blog, or at least rob him of his opportunity to pretend to be gone when he isn't.

I'm also sorry you didn't see the neo-Nazi twerp for what he is a lot sooner. We could have hashed out his neurotic break from reality probably over a year ago. ;)

Dan said...

I do some tutoring and before I always thought that it couldn't be THAT bad. Well it is, and that is why the home school movement is exploding. I think parents are realizing two things. Getting your children educated enough to go to college yourself (where the same thing will be done to them) is not nearly as difficult as the NEA would have us think. And the education system has been co-opted by communist for the purposes of turning their children into future communists.

Thanks for the street sign. I stole it for The New World Order Dictionary; hope you don't mind.

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