Wednesday, February 16, 2011

Israel, Iran and the Suez Canal

So, you've all heard that Israel is saying Iran's sending two ships through the Suez Canal today....HERE is the information.  Here's a bit from the link:

"Israel's foreign minister claimed Wednesday that Iran is about to send two warships through the Suez Canal for the first time in years, calling it a "provocation," but he offered no evidence. The Egyptian authority that runs the canal denied it."    

I got to wondering if Israel's saying this could avoid Iraq's actually doing it and that's why they're making this claim?    We know Israel has excellent spy capabilities, they could be certain this ship movement is happening, so could calling it before it happens dissuade Iran for concern over public response?  Does Iran give a damn?  Here's a really funny comment by Joe Lieberman;


"We expect the international community to act with haste and determination against the Iranian provocations that are intended to destabilize the situation in the region."  IS HE KIDDING?  

Do you think the international community will suddenly come out in support of ISRAEL?  REALLY?


So, pals;  what happens next?  And, if the Iranians do send those ships through the Canal, will Israel strike in self-defense?    It's a perfect set-up by Iran....they go through and get attacked, it's Israel's fault for attacking Iranian ships....they go through and don't get attacked but do attack Israel............and then what?

z

37 comments:

Sam Huntington said...

Israel should do nothing. Iran knows that Israel is capable of sinking those ships. Even if Iran is attempting to spark a confrontation with Israel, the Israelis are smart enough not to fall for it. Should the Iranian ships fire on Israel, Katy bar the door.

Ducky's here said...

Sounds as if Israel isn't getting enough play trying to scare the far right with the Muslim Brotherhood.

They'll have to make the folks believe that Arabs and Persians are suddenly in an alliance.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Sam. I'll only add, the international community is feckless.

As if Iran cares about what the international community says. They don't DO anything except make useless noise. Besides, as Z says, Israel can't expect anything from the UN.

Pris

beamish said...

Well, Obama's "successful" foreign policy has now backed a military coup in Egypt. Like Clinton's "restoration of democracy" in Haiti where Clinton propped up a thug long enough to complete the assassinations of his political enemies, you start to wonder what it is about the Left that gives them a different definition of "freedom" and "democracy" than that used by rational people.

Israel understands that the greatest danger to Jews has always been leftists. Islamic jihadists haven't killed nearly as many Jews for being Jews as the seperate regimes of left-wing labor activists Hitler in Germany and Stalin in Russia. Now Obama demands Israel not build housing in its own capital city. The actual existence of Jews on the planet has been an outrage to leftists for over 200 years. They're not going to stop being anti-Semetic any time soon.

So, I expect if Iran does send warships into the Med while America has a left-wing President like Obama, they will be regarded with the same amount of appreciation that Iranian weapons and bombs killing American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are. Look for Obama to want to give a speech from the deck of one of the Iranian warships about the need to stop talking about killing Jews and actually do it. This, because he fears the impression that Ron Paul has more support than he does.

Ducky's here said...

Better to worry about Bahrain. They are a finance center, refiner and host an American naval base.

The Shiite population is demonstrating and if they gain power they will have good relations with Tehran.

The right seems so much more concerned with nutty conspiracy ideas than what in fact is happening in the world.

Always On Watch said...

Different "branches" of Islam will unite against a common enemy, be that enemy Israel or the West in general.

I wouldn't call that unity an alliance, exactly.

Think of this example from American history: the Battle of Little Big Horn. The Indian Nations, despite their differences and even warring on each other at times, united against General Custer and others in the United States Cavalry. I know that my analogy isn't perfect, but it does have merit as much of the Islamic world is a community of tribes.

Always On Watch said...

BTW, we did all see this recent news article:

Iran resumes steady atom enrichment...

Ducky's here said...

What's the largest ship in the Iranian navy?

Anything larger than a frigate?

Elmers Brother said...

12th imam

Anonymous said...

"Different "branches" of Islam will unite against a common enemy, be that enemy Israel or the West in general.

I wouldn't call that unity an alliance, exactly."

AOW, you're right, but it is called "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Like the alliance of the left with Islam. They use each other for gain, and if they're successful, the strongest rids himself of the other, and that is, "survival of the fittest". Or as my Dad used to call it, "the law of the jungle".

Pris

tha malcontent said...

And Jimmy Carter Vouches for Muslim Brotherhood!

WomanHonorThyself said...

Heaven help Israel and the rest of the free world with Hussein as this nations commander in chief...Have a great rest of the day~!:)

beamish said...

And Jimmy Carter Vouches for Muslim Brotherhood!

Come on now. All secular organizations name themselves after a religion.

They're still not as secular as Saddam Hussein, who had his own commissioned copy of the Quran written in his own blood.

::rolls eyes::

Looking for intellect from the left is like flyfishing for canola oil in the middle of a piano concerto. The very idea of looking for intellect from the left is absurd.

Z said...

Sam....bar the door from Israel attacking Iran?

Ducky...actually, most journalists are saying this is Iran trying to get the world's mind off the uprisings there, but good try. Ummm...Israel scaring about the Brotherhood? Are you even thinking?
Your second comment is so ridiculous there's no comment necessary. WHEN are you getting over the Right and start learning something so you can contribute?
By the way....your comment above infers that there can be no possible alliance between Iranians (as they're called for the last 30 years) and Arabs, and your second comment says that's happening. Which is it?
Re the size of the ships; I've always said you're completely unnuanced; congratulations on a new low. "Oh, they're SMALL, BIG DEAL?" hilarious.

Pris, the UN will do ZILCH. But, they'll protect Iran till the nth degree. Well, look at Ducky's thinking; shallow, Israel-hating, and they'll figure out a way to make us guilty here for something, too.

Mal...Carter did WHAT?

Beamish,
"The very idea of looking for intellect from the left is absurd."
Every day, your sentiment becomes clearer and clearer. By the way, did you know that Obama's got 40 people in the speech writing office? And most Americans think he writes them himself? :-)

Ducky's here said...

z, why not contribute a reason that Iran would want to sail a frigate through the canal?

Fire on Israel? Yeah, right.

... and yes, if you're paying attention, Bahrain is far more significant than this tripe.

The Vegas Art Guy said...

So the MB doesn't want to end the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel? That is good news indeed Ducky. Pray tell where did you come across this little nugget of information everyone else has missed? Is it also true they don't want to impose Sharia law as well?

Z said...

Ducky, nobody said Bahrain isn't significant...did you see anywhere where I DID?

Can you link where you found out exactly what kind of Iranian ships these are?

Scotty said...

I’m not too concerned for Israel’s safety. As long as any warfare, if it does come to that, remains conventional weapons and history has taught us anything, Israel can take care of themselves with no problems.

After all this time, I'm more shocked that Israel hasn't struck the nuclear facilities in Iran by now. I thought it would have happen LONG ago!

Ticker said...

Ducky, you prove yourself more of an idiot with each post. You don't know sxxx from shinola about Israel or the middle east. Go play with yourself and let those who are informed discuss the subject.

Ticker said...

Israel will keep it's watchman on the wall and be prepared . They learned their lesson and will be as formidable as they were in 67.

Friends in Israel tell me that Iran will attempt to provoke some type of
bs to see where Obama stands. Of course we know where he stands but he is going to have hell to pay either way he goes. He has to make a decision soon but my guess he will vote "PRESENT" and piss Israel off. He can't afford to offend his bank account with election time coming up.

Ticker said...

Scotty ,Israel has not reason to worry about Iran's so called nukes. Israel has them, Iran doesn't yet. If they become a threat then Israel has the capability to take em out and has for a long time.

Z said...

Ticker, do you think Israel would ever nuke Iran?
Have you heard about the hacking or something we did with Germany's company SIemens in Iran?...apparently putting them back about 2 years in their quest for nukes?

Ducky's here said...

Ticker, I lived for a time in Saudi. I know a thing or two, primarily about Islamic art but enough to know more than someone like yourself who wouldn't know a Huwala from Ajam.

I'm not sure of the source of your aggression but I have to assume it's either:

1. You go critical mass when you run into geopolitical thought that isn't centered on Israel.

or

... well there is really only the one reason. Do your friends have a reliable source in Israeli intelligence?

Scotty, maybe Israel hasn't struck because they know they have an air force that hasn't flown into a serious hazard for decades. Unarmed Gazans don't really test an air force.

Z said...

KAREN HOWES, could you look at my sidebar and click on your blog and tell me what's up!!??xxx

christian soldier said...

mo was born 570/571 AD-and there has been trouble ever since---
will be 'swiping' the percepts of the post below-Ground Zero mosque...-
to thins Z- that church leaders from my former church sold Christian propery to muslims-1998-
some of us women tried to stop the sale-'eye rolls' all around..
there is now a huge mosque there and the neighbors remember that it once was a Lutheran church !!!
Carol-CS

Anonymous said...

WELL! WELL! WELL! LOOKEE HERE;

http://www.lucianne.com/thread/?artnum=596851

More dirty work afoot.

Anonymous said...

Israel understands that the greatest danger to Jews has always been leftists.

Tell that to Marx, Engels, Gompers, Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, The Frankfurt School (Marcuse was the most prominent member in the USA), the Bolsheviks, the New York Intellectuals, Saul Alinsky, the members of The New Left from the '60's, and the Sulzberger-Ochs-Lelyvelds whose descendants still run the New York Times and feature columnists like Frank Rich and Paul Krugman. Tell it too to the founders and guiding geniuses behind the TV networks, and don't forget the Hollywood movie moguls.

Then tell it to 85 percent of American Jewry who wholeheartedly embraced the NEW DEAL and who still votes consistently for Democrats.

SOMEONE has to stand up to your aggressive disinformation campaign and maniacal prevarication.

Scotty said...

Scotty, maybe Israel hasn't struck because they know they have an air force that hasn't flown into a serious hazard for decades. Unarmed Gazans don't really test an air force.

Your bigotry shines like a bright star, Ducky

Ducky's here said...

BBC is reporting that there has been no application for moving the any Iranian warships through the canal.

Not surprising that the right wing drama queens were at it again.

Z said...

Ducky, the right wing knew about no application the day this all started...so what that the BBC is reporting it NOW? :-)
Suez reported immediately they had no knowledge of iranian ships coming through.....

If you didn't hate Israel's every move and her very existence quite so much, maybe you could see the threat to her every single day, appreciate her amazing intelligence gathering, and MAYBE support the fact that if Israel says this is happening, she should at least get support and a media curious enough to hold Iran's feet to the fire. But....what do you care? Muslims come first..we know.

Scotty said...

CAIRO (AP) — Two Iranian naval vessels withdrew a request Thursday to transit the Suez Canal after Israel expressed concerns over the plans, a senior canal official said.

Ticker said...

Duck, who gives a shxx what you know about ART. The subject is not art fool!
As to your question: "well there is really only the one reason. Do your friends have a reliable source in Israeli intelligence?"

Answer to that Dumbass is YES! But then what do you know about "intelligence" of any sort.

And Duckass, I have had more time in the chow line than you have had in the ME. Don't even attempt to compare.

Z said...

Scotty, then it worked. Excellent news.

Ducky's here said...

Ticker , understand a cultures art, understand the culture?

Not a tough concept, even for you.

Let us in on your source. Same dudes that told us Saddam shipped his WMD's (LMAO) to Syria?

Z said...

Ducky"Ticker , understand a cultures art, understand the culture?"

REALLY? Does Max Ernst make you understand Germany? Do crepes make you understand France? Do Geisha girls make you understand Japan?

Does Islamic art tell you some people in that culture want you dead for being an American?

Z said...

By the way, Ducky, I'll just bet the Islamic PORTRAITS, representations of people, are your favorite.

beamish said...

Israel understands that the greatest danger to Jews has always been leftists.

Tell that to Marx, Engels, Gompers, Emma Goldman, Rosa Luxemburg, The Frankfurt School (Marcuse was the most prominent member in the USA), the Bolsheviks, the New York Intellectuals, Saul Alinsky, the members of The New Left from the '60's, and the Sulzberger-Ochs-Lelyvelds whose descendants still run the New York Times and feature columnists like Frank Rich and Paul Krugman. Tell it too to the founders and guiding geniuses behind the TV networks, and don't forget the Hollywood movie moguls.

So, what? 30 or so Jews paints the whole of all Jewish people? It was leftists like Proudhon, Marx, Engels, Bakunin, Hitler, and others that made eliminationist anti-Semitism the taproot of leftism.

Then tell it to 85 percent of American Jewry who wholeheartedly embraced the NEW DEAL and who still votes consistently for Democrats.

I do tell about the anti-Semitism of the foundational leaders of leftist movements, regardless of who they are, even the less than 1% of the electorate that actually is anti-Semitic and racist, who consistently troll web forums for Ron Paul.

GO AWAY ASSHOLE.