Monday, February 7, 2011

George Soros on Egypt

Read the underlined link and you'll find that we're in good hands...Mr. Obama's doing just what George Soros thinks ought to be done.   (Yes, I am being sarcastic)..Please read these paragraphs from my linked article:


"The Muslim Brotherhood's cooperation with Mohamed ElBaradei, the Nobel laureate who is seeking to run for president, is a hopeful sign that it intends to play a constructive role in a democratic political system (Z: Will Soros play"puppet master" there, too?). As regards contagion, it is more likely to endanger the enemies of the United States - Syria and Iran - than our allies, provided that they are willing to move out ahead of the avalanche (Z:  so that's a GOOD thing??!!).The main stumbling block is Israel. In reality, Israel has as much to gain from the spread of democracy in the Middle East as the United States has. But Israel is unlikely to recognize its own best interests because the change is too sudden and carries too many risks (Z: As if Israel is just too stupid?)  And some U.S. supporters of Israel are more rigid and ideological than Israelis themselves (Z: can that BE?! :-). Fortunately, Obama is not beholden to the religious right, which has carried on a veritable vendetta against him (Z; no comment...I'm too much a lady). The American Israel Public Affairs Committee is no longer monolithic or the sole representative of the Jewish community. The main danger is that the Obama administration will not adjust its policies quickly enough to the suddenly changed reality.
I am, as a general rule, wary of revolutions. But in the case of Egypt, I see a good chance of success. As a committed advocate of democracy and open society, I cannot help but share in the enthusiasm that is sweeping across the Middle East. I hope President Obama will expeditiously support the people of Egypt (Z: in other words, those are his instructions...). My foundations are prepared to contribute what they can. In practice, that means establishing resource centers for supporting the rule of law (Z; Unless they go against Soros' plans), constitutional reform (Z:  Especially in America, George?), fighting corruption and strengthening democratic institutions in those countries that request help in establishing them, while staying out of those countries where such efforts are not welcome."

There's so much to comment on here that I simply can't.........I'll leave it up to YOU, you "rigid and ideological Israel supports who carry a veritable vendetta against Obama" :-)    Is Mr. Soros a little overly optimistic?  Is he just nuts when he actually suggests that the Muslim Brotherhood and ElBaradei might be good for Egypt?  Well, let's face it, ElBaradei IS a Nobel Laureate, how bad can he be!? (heh heh)  OH, the fun never stops.

What do you think of Soros' observations?    Meanwhile, we can see how reasonable and willing to cooperate the Muslim Brotherhood is today,  HERE.  oy.

z

75 comments:

Common Sense said...

Ronald Reagan meets with the Taliban in the Oval Office, 1985.

"These gentlemen are the moral equivalents of America's founding fathers". Ronald Reagan 1985.

Sam Huntington said...

Soros is a Jew-hating Jew. Very likely, he is the only person to hate Jews more than your other guest, Ducky.

Should we give Soros any credibility at all? Remember, it serves his purpose to support the Muslim Brotherhood; they will help him re-structure the entire world. Talk about an ego ...

How is it in Israel's best interest to have the Muslim Brotherhood in charge of every one of its neighbors? It isn't.

But one thing is true: Obama is not beholden to any one ... except the Muslim Brotherhood, who helped propel him into the oval office.

Nickie Goomba said...

Ain't it amazing what money can destroy. Soros is evil personified.

BTW... Thanks so much for the C.S. Lewis quote in the sidebar.

Speedy G said...

So when Egypt begins to ethnically cleanse the Christian Copts from Cairo next year and chasing them into the desert and forcing them to die of thirst and starvation, it'll be no big deal since the "crazy" Christian Right wasn't consulted and Christians don't matter anyway since they can't be "victims" in the Left's PC rulebook.

beamish said...

Ronald Reagan meets with the Taliban in the Oval Office, 1985.

Ahmad Shah Massoud and his US supported mujihadeen were NOT the Taliban.

Thanks for playing, idiot.

Mustang said...

Common Sense is lying in the manner leftists are want to do. Did Ronald Reagan refer to the Mujahedeen as "freedom fighters?" Yes, he did. He supported the Mujahedeen in the same way Texas Democrat Charlie Wilson did: as pawns against our cold war foe, the Soviet Union.

It would have been impossible for Reagan to meet with the Taliban in the oval office since they never came into existence until 1992, three years after Reagan left office.

This is what happens when Salon becomes your primary source …

Anonymous said...

Jews are the only people who are entitled to hate Jews. They're off limits for everyone else, so Soros is well within his rights.

Common Sense said...

Beamish and Mustang,

I stand corrected, you are correct. After further investigation I found the picture and the story to be incorrect.

My point was to show that both parties make mistakes.

Mark said...

The day America withdraws it's support of Israel will be the day God withdraws His protection from America.

Mark said...

George Soros worked for the Nazi's in their day. His job was rounding up Jews to send to the death camps. Apparently, he sees that job as his destiny.

beamish said...

My point was to show that both parties make mistakes.

No, "Common Sense," your point was to take a caption from a left-wing website's photo of Reagan meeting with representatives of Ahmad Shah Massoud's mujihadeen to try to smear Reagan as a "Taliban supporter."

No doubt the initiators of this smear saw turbans and immediately thought of terrorists, but to perpetuate the smears born of the tireless stupidity of leftists really serves no point whatsoever.

The only party making a mistake here is yours, "Common Sense."

Chuck said...

Obama is just doing what Soros has paid him to do

Z said...

Common Sense, See Mustang and Beamish's comment below. See how much you can learn on Conservative blogs? You're welcome ANY time.
(I wrote that snotty little ditty before I saw your apology....now you really ARE welcome here :-) I admire someone who can stand corrected.......you did so with honor. Come back any time. ANd, you're right..both sides can err....And, of course, CONTEXT gets ignored by both sides, too....but more one side than the other (guess!)


Sam, he is a Jew-hating Jew...who dumped his own people in the mud, says he has NO COMPUNCTION and now has the Jewish Defense leagues sticking up for him!! $$$$$ Excellent, and frightening, comment..thanks (I think!!)

Nickie, you're the first to mention that CS Lewis comment which has been there about the whole 3 years I"ve 'been in business'..and the REALLY weird thing is I'd just read it today for the first time in a LONG time because I was thinking of writing something above it; I won't now. It is good, isn't it.
THanks for coming by, too...I admire your comments at other blogs and do the one you just left here, too

Speedy, you sure haven't lost your touch :-)

Beamish, I think I've mentioned this before here but I was living in Paris when Massoud died and I was DEVASTATED..had never HEARD of the guy before but saw the coverage and something inside me knew THIS IS NOT GOOD......and boy, it hasn't been. He was a hero. ANd, true to jihadist fashion, was killed in the most dishonorable, chicken of ways.

Anonymous..that's despicable. again

"Mark said... The day America withdraws it's support of Israel will be the day God withdraws His protection from America." I couldn't agree with you MORE, Mark...I absolutely believe that.

Beamish, I think he explained himself pretty well and saw the truth......

Z said...

Chuck...that's exactly what I was trying to "imply" here in my post.
Again, we WERE separated at birth, right? :-)

Anonymous said...

From Wikipedia:

'On September 9, 2001, two days before the September 11 attacks in the United States, Massoud was assassinated in Takhar Province of Afghanistan by two suspected Arab al-Qaeda suicide bombers posing as journalists. The following year, he was named "National Hero" by the order of Afghan President Hamid Karzai. The date of his death, September 9, is observed as a national holiday known as "Massoud Day" in Afghanistan. [3] The year following his assassination, in 2002, Massoud was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, although the prize can only be awarded to a living person.'

He was an Afghan freedom fighter, not Taliban, which was why Al Qaeda had him killed. They knew what the plan was & didn't want him siding with the U.S.



I you ever want to go trick-or-treating as the Devil, just buy a Soros mask. That's ugly enough to scare anybody.

Silvrlady

Anonymous said...

"Ahmad Shah Massoud and his US supported mujihadeen were NOT the Taliban."

Beamish is right. Also, Massoud was the leader of the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan.

His murder was ordered by Osama Bin Laden after he gained in influence. Bin Laden couldn't tolerate the competition with Massoud who was loved by his people.

The Northern Alliance were our Afghani allies during our invasion of Afghanistan.

As Mustang points out, Reagan was focused on the cold war with the Soviet Union, and worked with the Mujahadeen to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

We could not allow the Soviets to expand into Afghanistan.


As far as Soros is concerned, IMO, he needs chaos and instability to gain in power, and money. His area of expertise lies in economic instability.

The world, as it stands at the moment is rife with instability and chaos. There are shortages, and inflation which raise costs, which create the environment for desperation and rebellion.

He can speak of democracy and an open society 'til the cows come home, but that's merely smoke and mirrors.

The left sells their agenda with nice words, while destroying what they claim to support. It's called propaganda. George Soros is an evil man for whom enough is never enough.

Pris

Common Sense said...

Z, Thank you for your kind words.

As for the attacks, no problem, we all have bad days.

Politics is a very touchy subject and I have found through the years that those who always want to tell you their political positions are never willing to hear your political positions and vice-versa.

It would be nice to discuss politics without the attacks but then, it's politics.

Have a great week and thanks again, keep up the good work.

Common Sense said...

Oh and by the way......

I think Ronald Reagan was a very special person and a Great President.

Anonymous said...

"Our policy was always to have a good and friendly realtions with everyone. But we never have accepted being oppressed and we will never accept it."

Ahmad Shaah Massoud


It is easy to see why he was targeted for assassination.


Silvrlady

Z said...

SilvrLady, it made my teeth clench just reading your account which doesn't even have the details. He was told photographers were coming in to take pictures and THEY killed him..that's why I say they were CHICKEN. It's like shooting someone in the back, damn them.

Pris, Soros it total EVIL. And I so wish Massoud had lived....

Common Sense, I only mentioned feeling touched and a little teary seeing the excitement and tears of the black kids at the DNC convention when Obama was nominated and got chewed apart by my wonderful commenters!! Some things are best UNSAID :-)
thanks for your comments.
I think Reagan was a very wonderful man, too.

Ducky's here said...

Hey mustang, you putting on the "Bonzo Visits Bitburg" video for his birthday.

Honoring the Waffen SS was one of his better moments.

Ducky's here said...

George Soros is behind all this? Who knew. I thought it was the bogey man.

Well, whatever, Egyptians seemed determined to make their own decisions and that will almost certainly involve the Muslim brotherhood. Of course all the far right Muslim scholars we've developed in a short time (care of degrees from Glenn Beck University) may want to wonder why they don't understand that the MB looks more like Turkish political elements and can work in a democracy than they resemble the Iranian ruling council.

But all you "freedom and democracy" folk (LMAO) sure don't want the Egyptians choosing the bad freedom. We'll have to intervene.

Looks like the demonstrations are spreading to Iraq. They can't figure out why the oil money isn't going to providing electricity or eliminating the raw sewage in the streets. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, compliments of the U.S. military and assorted fringe right wingers.

Hayden said...

Obviously, Ducky has been hitting the RED kool-aid again. You see, those on the severe left (we call them communist pukes) can't recognize a Center-right, respectful, and intelligent man who knew how to run this country according to its Constitution. But what am I saying? Ducky only knows how to be vulgar and insulting. I've never seen someone with a lower self esteem, crying out for any kind of attention as he.

Ducky's here said...

You said nothing, Haydn. Got anything to add about why Israel and the U.S. should support Arab dictators and not expect that push will eventually come to shove?

Mustang said...

But all you "freedom and democracy" folk (LMAO) sure don't want the Egyptians choosing the bad freedom.

Off your meds again, whacko?

Hayden said...

Whoever thinks the US or Israel installed Mubarak as president of Egypt is seriously delusional. Whoever thinks the US or Israel should invade Egypt and exchange one thug for another needs immediate psychiatric attention.

Ducky pretends to believe Egyptians only want freedom and democracy. In the first place, the Muslim Brotherhood is only interested in democracy because it is a means to an end and because they realize mental midgets, like Ducky, over populate western civilization. After they “democratically” elect a fundamentalist government, they can then dispense with democracy and implement Shar’ia law. Nothing would make Ducky giddier than that: a fascist is a fascist, whether he is a devotee of communism or Islamic fundamentalism. We know what you are Duck—it isn’t pretty.

Common Sense said...

Z, My wife and I just drove from our place in Malibu to our place in Palm Desert and stopped by my grandfathers place on Old Ranch Road, off Sunset. You may have known him, have you been in the area long?

I'll send you a email, I'm sure you know who he was. He was a great Architect and is known for his California Ranch Style Homes.

Common Sense said...

BTW, I was born in Santa Monica and grew up in Mandeville Canyon.

Anonymous said...

Jews are the only people who are entitled to hate Jews. They're off limits for everyone else, so Soros is well within his rights.

How is that "despicable?"

The truth is often unpleasant. It may be unfortunate, but there's no way to stop anyone from hating himself.

The only truly despicable thing is the way many Jewish organizations unthinkingly support Soros simply because he is a fellow Jew.

About 80% of all American Jews vote liberal. Most liberals are anti-Israel. Makes no sense, but that doesn't stop it from being true.

Know the truth and it will make you free. No one said it will always make you glad.

Z said...

Please, FT, no more lectures, okay?

Common SEnse, that's cool! I probably do know your grandfather's name...i VERY rarely check that email account but just did and don't see an email from you. I was in that business, very similar to your grandfather's but I don't want to say here...so I know I'll know his name.
I live 15 min from Mandeville.....how cool that you are from this area and still live in Malibu? Other than having the great luck of living in Europe, Paris and Munich, for about five years, I"ve lived here all my life.

Hayden, you really know how to sling it! Thanks!!

Ducky, you just hate ANYTHING that "sides with American interests"..I think those words put a chill down your back, face it.
Mubarak kept things calm...we like calm.
You're getting more and more insulting (to the point where I'll be deleting you again so please be careful, i'm REALLY tired of your insults and don't need to take them, as you know)...

It's ALL the "Rightwingers" fault, Ducky..we GET THAT.
:-)

beamish said...

Beamish, I think I've mentioned this before here but I was living in Paris when Massoud died and I was DEVASTATED..had never HEARD of the guy before but saw the coverage and something inside me knew THIS IS NOT GOOD......and boy, it hasn't been. He was a hero. ANd, true to jihadist fashion, was killed in the most dishonorable, chicken of ways.

I hold Bill Clinton partially responsible for his death. Massoud's forces led a CIA team to Osama Bin Laden to take him out TWICE and Clinton's administration (Bitchard Clarke, Sandy Burglar, etc.) pulled the plug on the op both times.

Yes, Massoud is definately a hero to be celebrated. He HATED Taliban-style fundamentalist Islamic extremism, and that line Common Sense brought here from left-field is an ignorant, malicious smear upon both Reagan AND Massoud.

Z said...

Beamish, I can't tell you why, I knew SO little about him, nothing, really...yet I admired him greatly and still do.
I'd have liked to have seen what he might have been able to do.
And yes, CLinton had Osama in the crosshairs twice...golf was more important, remember the testimony of that one CIA agent? GeeeZ

By the way, did you hear the spread at the OBama's for Super Bowl? Man, Michelle won't let anybody in the country eat anything fatty but they had bratwurst, German potato salad, wings, cheeseburgers, twice-baked potatoes, etc etc....:-)

beamish said...

But all you "freedom and democracy" folk (LMAO) sure don't want the Egyptians choosing the bad freedom. We'll have to intervene.

Democracy is only as good as its democrats.

Egypt needs federalism, not nationalism.

beamish said...

Beamish, I can't tell you why, I knew SO little about him, nothing, really...yet I admired him greatly and still do.
I'd have liked to have seen what he might have been able to do.


With full US support, the Northern Alliance could have routed the Taliban AND handed over bin Laden dead or alive by 1997.

Massoud stayed out of the mainstream news, for the most part. But if you were reading "whacko" right-wing pubs like Soldier of Fortune magazine in 1986, you would have known all about him. They have journalists that see the fights that Anderson Cooper comes behind and snaps photos of bodies for his "private collection."

beamish said...

Jews are the only people who are entitled to hate Jews. They're off limits for everyone else, so Soros is well within his rights.

How is that "despicable?"


Sounds to me like you really, really, really want to hate Jews but aren't "entitled" to do so because you don't openly admit your neo-Nazi leftism.

Mendacity is despicable.

The truth is often unpleasant. It may be unfortunate, but there's no way to stop anyone from hating himself.

There is, however, a way to not confuse national socialist Ron Paulism (leftism) with libertarianism (rightism).

The only truly despicable thing is the way many Jewish organizations unthinkingly support Soros simply because he is a fellow Jew.

More shocking to me are the oxygen breathers that support Ron Paul simply because he is a fellow oxygen breather.

Do you actually have documentation that shows Jewish organizations backing Soros because he's Jewish?

Didn't think so.

About 80% of all American Jews vote liberal. Most liberals are anti-Israel. Makes no sense, but that doesn't stop it from being true.

So the "anti-Israel Jews in America" old enough to vote have a combined voting power of 2.5 million voters. Ron Paul needs to court them next time the ACLU represents the Ku Klux Klan in court.

Know the truth and it will make you free. No one said it will always make you glad.

Clear head, clear heart, clear conscience. Why vote for Ron Paul when joining al Qaeda is easier?

beamish said...

Hey look, "Senator" Rand Paul is as dismally unfamiliar with the US Constitution as his dumbass dad.

Here he is making token budget proposals in the branch of Congress not Constitutionally authorized to do so... and his grand plan to cut the deficit is to eliminate foreign aid to Israel (and no other place, naturally) for a projected reduction of the deficit by a whopping 0.001%! Glory Hallelujah get the cross burning, Bubba!

An axe to grind, yet still not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Z said...

Beamish; you mention Rand Paul to "Anonymous"...yup, your instinct was right.

Anonymous said...

So far Rand Paul is a huge disappointment -- not savvy at all. Too bad! He's a faired haired boy with the Tea Party. I believe his father is liked and supported by the Tea Party as well -- or isn't he?

And aren't "we" supposed to like and support the Tea Party?

But, why are you riding the Ron Paul/Rand Paul third rail, Beamish? I don't believe anyone has referred to either of them on this thread except you.

Also, don't assume you have ESP and are able to divine the motives "behind" other people's remarks. As the saying goes, "Whenever we assume anything, it make an ass of you and me."

You seem to have an idée fixe about Ron Paul. I merely mentioned him in passing the other day as an intriguing figure who expressed appealing ideas on managing the economy during the 2008 primary debates. (The other candidates struck me as insincere, politics-as-usual types woefully lacking in credibility and dynamism. Paul was at least interesting.) At any rate, the mere mention of Ron Paul's name obviously touched a nerve in you, and you've been virtually foaming at the mouth and slinging vitriolic rhetoric about Ron Paul ever since.

What's the point? You can take any position you want, of course, but don't you think other people should be entitled to express their opinions as well without being treated to a torrent of verbal abuse?

Did anyone appoint you to be the Avenging-Fury-in-Residence at geeeeeZ?

Try to give it a rest, will ya?

I'm not interested in feuding with you or anyone else. We should be able to disagree without sneering at one another.

FreeThinke

beamish said...

FT,

You're forgetting to mention your recent posting of links to anti-Martin Luther King smears hosted by anti-Semitic and white supremacist websites owned and operated by Ron Paul campaign supporters.

Your "Jews are the only people who are entitled to hate Jews" riff is merely more of the same.

I don't need ESP to discern your motives, cryptolefty. You're an open Mein Kampf.

beamish said...

Did anyone appoint you to be the Avenging-Fury-in-Residence at geeeeeZ?

Try to give it a rest, will ya?


I'll leave, never to return, when Z asks me to.

You didn't.

beamish said...

As for the "Tea Party," I'm not a member (do they even have a membership roll?) and my resistance to joining them is because certain groups they allow to use the name "Tea Party" backed Rand Paul. Don't forget some left-wing guy in Nevada ran as a "Tea Party candidate" as well. Seems no one has rights to the name.

I'm not a member of the Republican Party for the same reason. My tent isn't big enough to include any leftists. Sure, I'll vote Republican to support libertarian-conservative fusionist candidates (who the "Tea Party" ought to be focusing on) but I'll pass on bullshit artists. Rand Paul, like his left-wing father, is a bullshit artist.

beamish said...

Beamish; you mention Rand Paul to "Anonymous"...yup, your instinct was right.

I try. I think it funny that the wheels are still off the "neoconservatives are the amen corner / minions of the Israeli government" Protocols of the Elders of Zion anti-Semitic conspiracy theory that Ron / Rand Paul and their filthy ilk operate by. You've got the Israeli government supporting Mubarak in Egypt, and American neo-cons are all about forming a transition government there that includes Hamas, er the Muslim Brotherhood.

There is no paleo / neo divide in conservatism. It's always been "spot the Jew" anti-Semitism creating that purely artificial distinction for racist reasons.

Never mind that many non-Jews are or were "neoconservatives" - Dan Quayle, Newt Gingrich, Jeane Kirkpatrick, etc.

I know the role Ron and Rand Paul have. They're there so the left can point to their infiltrator and say "look, the Republicans support neo-Nazis."

Republicans ought to encourage the Pauls to go be Democrats, where their ideas have currency.

Anonymous said...

You're welcome to them, but your perceptions are warped, Beamish.

FT

Anonymous said...

By the way, Beamish, how is it that Dan Quayle, Newt Gingrich and the ancient arch-conservative Jeanne Kirkpatrick (of all people!!!) qualify in your mind as neo-conservatives? Perhaps they are, but I never would have thought it.

Also, who were the minds behind the ill-fated Project for a New American Century? And where are those people today?

I may have been laboring under a misconception as to what neo-conservatives and a paleo-conservatives really are. I never use the latter term, myself, but I have alway assumed it must refer to people who have always been conservative as opposed to recent converts.

For all I know Ronald Reagan may well have qualified as a neo-conservative when he told us he became a latter day Republican, because the Democratic party had left him -- not the other way 'round.

The definitions you use for various things may be perfectly correct, Beamish, but I think you may err in assuming everyone else uses the same definitions you do.

FreeThinke

beamish said...

Also, who were the minds behind the ill-fated Project for a New American Century? And where are those people today?

See any names on this list you recognize?

Elliott Abrams?

Gary Bauer?

William J. Bennett?

Jeb Bush?

Dick Cheney?

Eliot A. Cohen?

Midge Decter?

Paula Dobriansky?

Steve Forbes?

Aaron Friedberg?

Francis Fukuyama?

Frank Gaffney?

Fred C. Ikle?

Donald Kagan?

Zalmay Khalilzad?

Charles Krauthammer?

I. Lewis Libby?

Norman Podhoretz?

Dan Quayle?

Peter W. Rodman?

Stephen P. Rosen?

Henry S. Rowen?

Donald Rumsfeld?

Vin Weber?

George Weigel?

Paul Wolfowitz?

They're still around, as is the "ill-fated(?)" PNAC.

How do you define "neoconservative?"

Does the word "Jew" appear in your definition? I suspect it does.

Anonymous said...

As far as I know, a neo-conservative is someone who spent most of his life as a Marxist or a Democrat [There's not much difference between them anymore, is there?] and then switched sides for one of two reasons -- either he saw the error of his ways and genuinely repented - OR - he realized the wind was suddenly blowing in a new direction, and it would work to his advantage to change course and go with the flow.

So, some became new members of the conservative movement because of genuine change of heart, while others have done so cynically and opportunistically -- in other words they know which side their bread is buttered on.

For good or for ill PNAC is dead. Most of the people on your list are not in power and many of them have been demeaned and discredited. Bill Bennett currently hosts an affably ineffectual early morning talk show called Morning in America -- a sad comedown from having been Secretary of Education and Drug Tsar under Ronald Reagan.

Krauthammer has been a brilliant conservative journalist for decades -- an admirable figure.

Steve Forbes remains a credible voice in the world of Business and Finance.

Dick Cheney is still Dick Cheney, thank God, though he may very well be part of the cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order.

Dan Quayle never has been and never will be anyone special.

Didn't you forget to mention Douglas Feith?

I repeat: Your perceptions are warped.

FT

beamish said...

Dick Cheney is still Dick Cheney, thank God, though he may very well be part of the cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order.

And my perceptions are warped?

There is no "cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order" outside the anti-Semitic pages of the sick "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" hoax.

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Anonymous said...

No matter how many times -- or how loudly or forcefully -- one proclaims a lie or misconception it never makes it true.

I hope you are unaware of it, Beamish, because I wouldn't want to attribute bad motives to you, but your tactics come straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Just keep banging away until your opponent is either worn down by attrition and quits the field, or the surrounding mob accepts your false judgment, becomes inflamed by your persistent invective, and gets rid of your opponent for you.

I don't believe I've ever accused you of not being on the side of the angels, Beamish, but I'm sure you do a disservice to "our" cause by using tactics that should belong exclusively to the devil.

Your persistence in trying to stick false labels on me is as ludicrous as it is obnoxious.

I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me. Hounding me, stalking me, mocking me, attempting to trap, intimidate, or humiliate me will succeed only in showing you up for the insufferable bully you are.

So keep it up.

FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

STILL DON'T BELIEVE in the NEW WORLD ORDER?

Check out this link, then go on and do further research on each of the individuals quoted and the organization cited, and THEN see what you think.

http://www.svpvril.com/nwo.html

Where there's that much smoke, there's must be a fire.

Only a warped mind or a classic paranoiac could see "anti-Semitism" in these quotations.

FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

Another site y'all need to examine:

http://www.conservative.org/cpac/

Do you think The American Conservative Union is an anti-Semitic organization?

Just because a large proportion of the "Semites" have vigorously supported -- and continue to support -- Marxist-Communist-Socialist-Anarchistic-Liberal-Progressive-Collectivist-Totalitarian agendas does NOT mean that those who vigorously oppose and attempt to defeat totalitarianism in ALL its forms are, perforce, anti-Semitic.

That's the same brand of obfuscatory illogic that succeeded in shutting down and discrediting Joe McCarthy, who -- like it or not -- was really onto something.

McCarthy was a lot like Glenn Beck -- the wrong messenger to carry the right message.

I was alive, well and aware when McCarthy was doing his thing. I happen to have gone to school with the daughter of Henry Regnery [Yes THAT Henry Regnery] and knew the family pretty well. I assure you they were anything but "Hitlerites," but they sure were vehement anti-Communists, God bless 'em.

Just because Hitler was an anti-Communist as well as the truest and deadliest anti-Semite the world has ever known, does not lend one iota of legitimacy to the notion that anti-Communism is the same thing as anti-Semitism.

FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER link you ought to examine, Beamish:

http://www.threeworldwars.com/nwo-timeline1.htm

I fully expect you to dismiss any material I present as "Crackpot Theory from the Lunatic Fringe" or "Quasi-Leftist Twaddle," or whatever, because people as aggressively over-confident as you have little or no capacity to entertain ideas and information that run contrary to your pre-conceived, sometimes inaccurately informed notions.

"If there is any principle of the Constitution that more imperatively calls for attachment than any other it is the principle of free thought – not free thought for those that agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate."

Oliver W. Holmes (1841-1935)


I'm not one of Oliver Wendell Holmes' greatest fans, but he said a lot that's worth considering. That's true of most of us -- even you. ;-)

FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

testing testing

Posts are disappearing again.

Censorship or technical malfunction?

Hmmmmmmmmmm!

Anonymous said...

John Podhoretz has something to say that ought to interest Beamish:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/jpodhoretz/1311

Check it out. Also video of Ron Paul and Ben Stein on Larry King. For once I would have liked to hear what Sheila Jackson Lee might have said. Instead she was drowned out by a Stein shouting against Ron Paul.

UNBELIEVABLE!

FT

beamish said...

I hope you are unaware of it, Beamish, because I wouldn't want to attribute bad motives to you, but your tactics come straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Just keep banging away until your opponent is either worn down by attrition and quits the field, or the surrounding mob accepts your false judgment, becomes inflamed by your persistent invective, and gets rid of your opponent for you.

I'm not the one compelling you to post links to websites run by neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and Holocaust deniers. Why is it that you have those kinds of websites readily at your fingertips, yet do not recognize most of the names I listed above that were signers of PNAC's Declaration of Principles in 1997 (a document you're no doubt unfamiliar with).

I'm just calling what I see. Alinskyites would have a field day with you, if not for the fact that you share their leftism.

beamish said...

Just because a large proportion of the "Semites" have vigorously supported -- and continue to support -- Marxist-Communist-Socialist-Anarchistic-Liberal-Progressive-Collectivist-Totalitarian agendas does NOT mean that those who vigorously oppose and attempt to defeat totalitarianism in ALL its forms are, perforce, anti-Semitic.

But when one takes the step of dredging the bowels of actual anti-Semitic, white supremacist, neo-Nazi, Holocaust denying websites to bolster one's attempts at arguments, as you consistently do, it's not a stretch to include you among them.

You've not "proved" there is a "cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order."

You've merely proved that you read and enjoy the writings and works of anti-Semites, white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and Holocaust deniers.

beamish said...

Just because Hitler was an anti-Communist as well as the truest and deadliest anti-Semite the world has ever known, does not lend one iota of legitimacy to the notion that anti-Communism is the same thing as anti-Semitism.

National socialism and international socialism are merely two competing strains of leftism. Just because Stalin had Trotsky assassinated does not make Trotsky a "right-winger."

Many of the names on the list I gave above, the signers of the PNAC Declaration of Principles, are in fact Jews. All of them are anti-Communists. Many of them served in the Reagan administration.

The "neoconservative" label applied to them has largely a distinction pointing out their Jewishness rather than their political beliefs, a tactic employed by "spot the Jew" anti-Semitic smear artists from every strain of leftism (be they the Ron Paul white supremacist neo-Nazi variety or the Jeff Rense / Alex Jones Holocaust denial anti-"New World Order" / anti-Council on Foreign Relations / anti-Trilateral Commission propagandist variety).

We both know you would tell us all about the Jewish names you can spot in various government and policy development / advisory positions, and nothing about what their political positions and agendas actually are.

I doubt you even know what the Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations actually do, but I'm sure you'll have some delusional hypothesis about Masonic lodges and Satanic rituals and UFO crashes to explain yourself.

There is no "cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order."

Hitler lost the war. Get over it.

Anonymous said...

The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people.

Ron Paul

Anonymous said...

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

Anonymous said...

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."

Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.

Anonymous said...

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence.

It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

Anonymous said...

"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."

Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in l922.

Anonymous said...

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical.

What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future."

U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.

Anonymous said...

"The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments' plans. "

British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876

Anonymous said...

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

FreeThinke

beamish said...

Please refrain from cutting and pasting singular out of context lines you found on your favorite race-baiting anti-Semitic UFOlogy Holocaust denier websites. They do not provide you the context those quotes are drawn from, and that we both know you've never read the source material if any such actually exists.

Take for instance:

"We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."

Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950


Yes. That's the whole "Statement." Mr Warburg just walked into the middle of a Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1950, picked up a mike, jumped up on a table, wiggled his hips like Elvis, belted out that one line and threw the microphone down like a rock star and walked out. And no one knows why but YOU.

Did your mother have any babies that lived? My God you're an idiot.

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Anonymous said...

"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.

Anonymous said...

You don't have to eat a pound of shit to know it don't taste good.

Bitch Cassidy

beamish said...

Pssst.

That quote is incorrect.

Warburg actually said "We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

A statement far less sinister in its actual verbiage, and downright benign in its Cold War context of arguing for reformation of the UN Charter to exclude totalitarian states and to reaffirm the sovereignty of democratic member states.

Sorry, FeebThinky, James Warburg wasn't in on your "cabal of power-mad internationalists dedicated to the establishment of A New World Order," as no such thing exists.

Do your racist websites take all of those quotes you copy and pasted out of context and twist them for maximum propaganda, or is that a perversion reserved just for the quoted Jews and those who spoke against the Nazis? Shall I check the Disraeli and Churchill quotes for accuracy and context?

I don't mind enlightening you, FeebThinky, but let me know if I need to cover numbers, shapes, and colors for you.

Just be honest. It never even occured to you to check your Holocaust denial websites for accuracy, did it?

Anonymous said...

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

Anonymous said...

No matter how many times -- or how loudly or forcefully -- one proclaims a lie or misconception it never makes it true.

FreeThinke

beamish said...

Nice. Now you're oscillating between mangling the words, context, and intent of words delivered by a Jewish-American memeber of the CFR to quoting the bogeyman ramblings of the progressive leftist Democrat President Wilson, he that revitalized the Ku Klux Klan with federal dollars.

Your repetoire is almost as shallow as your thinking, FeebThinky.

Google "stupid racist asshole" and see if your picture comes up.

Anonymous said...

Are you by any chance trying to hurt my feelings, Beamish? ;-)

It's obvious you could not be interested in anything else. Your behavior is pathological -- just plain nasty nothing else. If I keep responding to your abusive, mendacious accusations as though they deserved serious consideration, I'll be as guilty as you of indulging in a purposeless exchange.

Since no one else has joined us, and you have nothing to add but further insolence and stupid lies there's no point in continuing this farce.

I bow to you, O King of the Dunghill. The field is thine. Go spread your manure and enjoy exercising your viciousness in solitude.

FreeThinke

beamish said...

I don't know what I find more humorous, TheeFinke - your ineffectual blustering or your relentless imbecility.

All I've done is point out that:

- you're pulling copy and paste jobs from your favorite white supremacist neo-Nazi Holocaust denial websites.

- the quotes you pull from your favorite racist websites do not explain their true context, and most are not really even correct quotes, but rather deliberate misrepresentations

- a modicum of research shows the people you and your favorite racist websites are attempting to smear and misquote are actually the exact opposite of someone seeking a "one world government"

- you have an unhealthy fixation on smearing Jews, even after being called on it

- you won't address the fact that everything you've presented is solidly refutable, and refuted.

Let's be polite and respectful, and intellectually honest. We both know you're a fucking moron. No need to dispute the obvious.

Now go smash windows outside a World Trade Organization conference with your fellow left-wing Code Pink Klansmen, you faggot.