Thursday, April 10, 2014

Islam, criticism, and the end of open minded debate

Brandeis University withdraws planned honorary degree for Islam critic Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Brandeis University in Massachusetts announced Tuesday that it had withdrawn the planned awarding of an honorary degree to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a staunch critic of Islam and its treatment of women, after protests from students and faculty.
The university said in a statement posted online that the decision had been made after a discussion between Ali and university President Frederick Lawrence.
Ali, a member of the Dutch Parliament from 2003 to 2006, has been quoted as making comments critical of Islam. That includes a 2007 interview with Reason Magazine in which she said of the religion, "Once it's defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It's very difficult to even talk about peace now. They're not interested in peace. I think that we are at war with Islam. And there's no middle ground in wars."

Ali was raised in a strict Muslim family, but after surviving a civil war, genital mutilation, beatings and an arranged marriage, she renounced the faith in her 30s. She has not commented publicly on the issue of the honorary degree.

In 2007, Ali helped establish the AHA Foundation, which works to protect and defend the rights of women in the West from oppression justified by religion and culture, according to its website. The foundation also strives to protect basic rights and freedoms of women and girls. This includes control of their own bodies, access to an education and the ability to work outside the home and control their own income, the website says.

More than 85 of about 350 faculty members at Brandeis signed a letter asking for Ali to be removed from the list of honorary degree recipients. And an online petition created Monday by students at the school of 5,800 had gathered thousands of signatures from inside and outside the university as of Tuesday afternoon.

"This is a real slap in the face to Muslim students," said senior Sarah Fahmy, a member of the Muslim Student Association who created the petition said before the university withdrew the honor.
"But it's not just the Muslim community that is upset but students and faculty of all religious beliefs," she said. "A university that prides itself on social justice and equality should not hold up someone who is an outright Islamophobic."

Thomas Doherty, chairman of American studies, refused to sign the faculty letter. He said it would have been great for the university to honor "such a courageous fighter for human freedom and women's rights, who has put her life at risk for those values."

Bernard Macy, a 1979 Brandeis graduate, sent an email this week to university President Frederick Lawrence and several members of the faculty saying, "Thank you for recognizing Ayaan Hirsi Ali for defending Muslim women against Islamist honor violence."

But Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation's largest Muslim advocacy group, said, "It is unconscionable that such a prestigious university would honor someone with such openly hateful views."

The organization sent a letter to university President Frederick Lawrence on Tuesday requesting that it drop plans to honor Ali.
"This makes Muslim students feel very uneasy," Joseph Lumbard, chairman of Islamic and Middle Eastern studies, said in an interview. "They feel unwelcome here."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.  (end of article)

Z:  It strikes me as so sad that students at Brandeis are less interested in the truth from one who knows, first hand, genital mutilation, beatings, an arranged marriage and a long time in hiding from islamists than they are politically correct.  Ali criticizes what she knows;  she understands the danger of islam to women around the world, she recognizes the danger of islamists to the world.   But, she cannot receive an honor because some are hurt by her truths.   The message here is that some could have been awakened to the ugly truth by their hurt but they have won their case and weakened themselves, and us, in the doing.  Instead of understanding her background, her warnings, her first hand information, the new generation would rather ignore mutilations and beatings and even murder in the name of religion and condemn Ali instead.
Good job, American professors.  You should be mightily ashamed of yourselves.

Z  I want to add that I wrote this on Tuesday night and it bugs me SO BIG TIME when I'm ahead of the darned cable channels but hadn't posted it in time to be 'exclusive! '  HA!!  :)  Mr. Z used to say "Look!  You wrote that blog post and the media's just commenting on the subject"   (see why I LOVED HIM!?) :)

Happy Birthday, Mom and Cath!
ZZ



76 comments:

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Brandeis has shown obvious hypocrisy of course. After similar outrage from the political right over its' bestowment of an honorary doctorate to playwright Tony Kushner [an aggressive critic of Israel]...Brandeis issued the following statement:

"Brandeis bestows honorary degrees as a means of acknowledging the outstanding accomplishments or contributions of individual men and women in any of a number of fields of human endeavor. Just as Brandeis does not inquire into the political opinions and beliefs of faculty or staff before appointing them, or students before offering admission, so too the University does not select honorary degree recipients on the basis of their political beliefs or opinions."

Apparently they DO inquire and bestow [or not] based on a recipients political beliefs or opinions.

American Jihad said...

A recent study says that today's Movies make you Liberal
But, I thought everyone knew this already...

Sam Huntington said...

No doubt another “business decision,” as the University does not want to lose considerable income from among those Middle Eastern peoples seeking degrees in murder and mayhem.

T Krabby said...

Some have asked what I'm going to be doing in retirement.

Well, I applied for a building permit for a new house.

It was going to be 100 ft tall and 400 ft wide, with 12 gun turrets at various heights, and windows all over the place and a loud outside entertainment sound system that was going to entertain the whole neighbourhood.

It would have parking for 200 cars, and I was going to paint it snot green with pink trim.

The City Council told me; Forget it...IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

So, I sent in the application again, but this time I called it a 'Mosque'.

Work starts on Monday…

I love this country. It's the government that scares the crap out of me.

Duckys here said...

The local story ran several days ago, z.

Have to say I'm surprised that the Herald (conservative) didn't go all medieval on Brandeis.

Pretty matter of fact reporting. If it were me, I'd order an audit of this frauds so called charitable foundation and point out that female circumcision crosses religions and is a cultural phenomenon.

Duckys here said...

Funny, T Crabby, the large mosque in Roxbury does not broadcast adhān out of respect for their neighbors.

You don't seem to have the same concerns.

T Krabby said...

Ducky:

It's not built yet in St. Pete. But all the senile seniors will rush there as they broadcast, for the free Splendas and saltine crackers they'll be handing out.

Maybe some potential converts to jihad too. Seniors fitted with bomb vests? Why not...they're close to the end anyway.

Speedy G said...

“Liberal attitudes towards the other are characterized both by respect for otherness, openness to it, and an obsessive fear of harassment. In short, the other is welcomed insofar as its presence is not intrusive, insofar as it is not really the other. Tolerance thus coincides with its opposite. My duty to be tolerant towards the other effectively means that I should not get too close to him or her, not intrude into his space—in short, that I should respect his intolerance towards my over-proximity. This is increasingly emerging as the central human right of advanced capitalist society: the right not to be ‘harassed’, that is, to be kept at a safe distance from others.” ― Slavoj Žižek, Against Human Rights

Speedy G said...

Liberals are "in denial" (fetshistic disavowel - Žižek’s term for the state where one admits the limitations of their own ideology and yet continues to conform to it, a typical situation in late capitalist democracy. The formula of fetishistic disavowal is: “I know things are like this, but I will not admit to that (disavowal), because an investment in a part of the whole edifice of things allows me to ignore the contradictions in the edifice of things as a whole (fetishism)”.) about Muslims. They tolerate them only so long as they aren't really Muslim's. Ayaan Hirsi Ali must be "proscribed" from University campus' because she is living proof of their argument's central fallacy and the depth of their fetishistic disavowal.

Sam Huntington said...

I agree, respect for one’s neighbors is a good thing —which in Massachusetts is best demonstrated by blowing up innocent people who simply wanted to run a marathon. No doubt their running togs were deemed to be offensive.

Idiot.

Z said...

I learned yesterday that towns in Germany are starting not to ring the traditional church bells "out of respect."
This is a travesty, of course.
Let's see if the call for prayer is stopped at the mosques. I wouldn't count on it.

The point of this post, obviously, is to show how the women in Islam are so badly treated and how our big "open minded liberal" universities won't even honor someone who's gone through what Ali has , or her attempts at helping Muslim women.

Ali is mostly known for her having had to hide in, I believe it's Amsterdam?, for so many years, against the muslims who had death threats on her. I'm not sure those threats have been lifted.
No one didn't know what she was about, and how hard she's fighting to help Muslim women; but they offered her the honorary award.
it's a travesty.

Z said...

By the way,
The Christian Bible has absolutely nothing to do with it but some Christians in Africa have followed the Arab custom.
In Egypt, in 2008, the gov't changed the law to embrace clitoridetomy again.
The Quran doesn't mention it either, but SUNNA, or Mohammed, is said on most sites to have encouraged it.

Perhaps someone here could link to where this practice is committed on Christian girls in Western society.

By the way, Ali wrote the script and did the talk over for SUBMISSION, the film for which Theo Van Gogh was murdered.... and the reason she had to go into hiding in the Netherlands... They told the truth!
One Simply can't expose these facts about Islam and expect to walk the streets.

two sites I encountered in my research said the Wikipedia site neglects to mention Mohammed on the subject of clitoridectomy.

Still, I do not consider this is a Christian v Muslim thing; this is about THE TRUTH.
and it's about dissing a woman who's spent nearly her entire life either suffering from, escaping from, or fighting against the islam that hurt her so badly and her attempts of helping other muslim women.

It's about helping others and about free speech.

We need to encourage her.
This is about physical and mental health, please let's not make this a shouting match about islam and how Christianity's just as bad; that's silly, wrong, and a waste of space.

Thanks

Duckys here said...

Sam, try to take a wider view.

The two bombers were not members of a mosque. They were pariahs. Quite a bit has been written about them.

The fit the mold of sociopaths such as the Newtown killer and there is no reason to use them to condemn the Muslims in Boston who are a very successful community and not at all antagonistic.

Doesn't all that hate of yours eat at you?

Duckys here said...

Well, z, I would be fascinated to learn just what her foundation has accomplished and what percentage of the funds go to her personal advantage.

There are women in Muslim countries who are protesting and paying a price. hey deserve the recognition.

Z said...

Wow, Ducky, so now you have to slam her character? Did I tell you too much about her that turned your stomach? Too much truth about your favorite islam?
I'm so sorry.

Here's a woman of amazing integrity, fighting for muslim women, hidden away for a very long time with death threats on her, and you're talking personal gain?
It's those women in muslim countries protesting who she's helping...hoping to get the West to enlighten and wake women up...
Jay Leno's wife is helping in this area of insult to women by muslims. I wish them all well.

cube said...

*head slap*

What is the world coming to?

Duckys here said...

No, z, it has not been established that she is fighting for anyone but herself.

Thersites said...

G-d forbid you should seek to help others, and inadvertently help yourself in the bargain.

That fact negates ALL the good you might do, right, duckman?

Thersites said...

Ayaan Hirsi Ali was born into a Majerteen family in Mogadishu, Somalia. Her father, Hirsi Magan Isse, was a prominent member of the Somali Salvation Democratic Front and a leading figure in the Somalian Revolution. Shortly after she was born, her father was imprisoned due to his opposition to Somalia's Siad Barre government.

Hirsi Ali's father had studied abroad and was opposed to female genital mutilation, but while he was imprisoned, Hirsi Ali's grandmother had the traditional procedure performed on five-year-old Hirsi Ali.

They settled in Nairobi, where Hirsi Ali attended the English-language Muslim Girls' Secondary School. By the time she reached her teens, Saudi-funded religious education was becoming more influential among Muslims in other countries, and a charismatic religious teacher who had been trained under this aegis joined Hirsi Ali's school. She inspired the teenaged Ayaan, as well as some fellow students, to adopt the more rigorous Saudi Arabian interpretations of Islam, as opposed to the more relaxed versions then current in Somalia and Kenya. Hirsi Ali had been impressed by the Qur'an before she could even read, and had lived "by the Book, for the Book" throughout her childhood.

She sympathised with the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, and wore a hijab together with her school uniform, which was unusual at the time but gradually became more common. She agreed with the fatwa against British writer Salman Rushdie that was declared in reaction to the publication of his controversial novel The Satanic Verses.[16] After completing secondary school, she attended a secretarial course at Valley Secretarial College in Nairobi for one year.[17] At this time, Hirsi Ali read English adventure stories such as the Nancy Drew series, containing modern heroine archetypes which overstepped the limits traditionally imposed by religion and society.

Hirsi Ali arrived in the Netherlands in 1992. There is some lack of clarity about the events leading up to her arrival, and she has admitted to telling lies in her application for asylum to enhance her chances of staying in the Netherlands. These lies, as described by Ali herself in her work and during public appearances, were apparently matters of omission, wherein she failed to disclose to the Dutch authorities that she had left the land of her birth and lived abroad, in Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, and Kenya, before returning to her native Somalia and participating in the rescue of family members displaced by that nation's civil war. Her untruths have raised doubts about other elements of her biography that lack documentary or circumstantial evidence. Hirsi Ali states that in 1992 her father arranged to marry her to a distant cousin. She says that she objected to this both on general grounds (she states that she dreaded being forced to submit to a stranger, someone with "the Holy Book on his side" who could force himself on her sexually), and on specific objections to this particular cousin, saying that he was a "bigot" and an "idiot".

Thersites said...

Crazy B*tch ain't got no right to talk smack about Islam, right duckman?

Thersites said...

...Let alone, make movies. Motive is everything, right duck?

Some people just don't deserve a life of the mind.

Duckys here said...

Crazy bitch can talk all she wants, Farmer and she has. Mostly about herself.

Brandeis is also well advised to tell her to pound sand.

Duckys here said...

Off topic: Good list of "heartbleed" exposed sites

Baysider said...

What a crock! Look, I'm not a big fan of honorary degrees. But the academic world uses them to feed egos and bask in some star shine, so they're not going away soon.

Brandeis knew exactly what they were getting, then caved in like the cowardly sheeple the university 'community' has become. Given a chance to stand tall they showed the world their missing body part - backbone.

Worse, this 'community' has become enablers for spoiled narcissists like Ms. Fahmy of the MSA and the verbal graffiti of Ibrahim Hooper (who, judging by his own self-description, I guess we won't be seeing him honored on campus either).

Thersites said...

Mostly about herself.

Unlike Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, right?

Thersites said...

btw - If you want an honorary degree from Brandeis (ala Tony Kushner), best start bashing Israel and mixing your creamy and crunch peanut butter!

Thersites said...

When brandeis gave their "degree" to Kushner (over Jewish objections), Brandeis issued the following statement

Brandeis bestows honorary degrees as a means of acknowledging the outstanding accomplishments or contributions of individual men and women in any of a number of fields of human endeavor. Just as Brandeis does not inquire into the political opinions and beliefs of faculty or staff before appointing them, or students before offering admission, so too the University does not select honorary degree recipients on the basis of their political beliefs or opinions.

Hypocrites, much?

Thersites said...

h/t- CI!

Z said...


"Blogger Duckys here said...
No, z, it has not been established that she is fighting for anyone but herself."

That is the most disgusting excuse for leftwing cover-up ever. You believe CAIR. I believe this amazing woman who's worked so hard all her life.

This commented disgusts me.

THERSITES: "That fact negates ALL the good you might do, right, duckman?"


Think he'd say that about Soros?

And yes, Thersites...total hypocrites. They were just worn down by rich muslims...Brandeis needs them. And who knows how else they were threatened?
well said. That's actually the real "established" fact.

Baysider; it's astonishing, isn't it. Apparently, the left is REAL embarrassed about this; and they should be.

CAIR has won again, folks.



Z said...

This woman has NEVER spoken about all islam, she has always talked about RADICAL ISLAM (even Bob Beckel just admitted that).

Radical Islam apologists like Ducky need to stay away from geeeeZ if they only could.

Z said...

Ali is now working with the American Enterprise Institute; I imagine she had to be with a conservative group because the left is SO TOUCHY about ISLAM. Man, you say you're protecting muslim women and you're dissed.
Don't leftwingers READ?
THE NATION disses her because 'her work isn't scrutinized'...when the truth is SHE LIVED IT! :-)

my GOD!

Here's a part of a 2008 article in The Nation:
"Hirsi Ali states that she is "the living proof" that Western culture enabled her to come fully into her own, while Manji declares, "I owe the West my willingness to help reform Islam." Both women express an unabashed disdain for multiculturalism, which they accuse of fostering a climate of political correctness that prevents dialogue and useful criticism. Both supported the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the "war on terror." Finally, both women have recently published books in the United States. For Manji, it is The Trouble With Islam Today, a slightly expanded edition of her 2004 bestseller. (Manji explains in an afterword why the temporal specification was added to the title.) For Hirsi Ali it is The Caged Virgin: An Emancipation Proclamation for Women and Islam."

See? Amazing, courageous women and they deserve such accolades.Ali only wanted to discuss, in her speech, how Islam and the West can save all the women who are still brutalized in many ways. But no....might make Islam look bad. No, CAIR doesn't like it.

The Left should be TOTALLY ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES.

TOTALLY

Z said...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/10/iran-steps-up-pace-executions-as-it-courts-west/

Ducky, you want to stick up for islam in this situation, too?

Rottweiler said...

This is the government that liberals worship, praise, defend, and crave more of. Besides being unconstitutional/illegal, inept and incompetent, and STUPID!

Z said...

EVERYBODY:

Has Obama once mentioned the Republican Party's finally getting the Civil Rights Bill past the Democrats who opposed it or is he taking full credit?

I haven't been able to watch news today...anybody see any of the proceedings?

Mustang said...

The problem, Z ... is that there is no sense of shame on the left. None.

Mustang said...

To respond to your question, Z ... Obama appears to be whining about the fact that Johnson had a clear political party advantage over Obama in that Johnson didn’t have to deal with bastard Republicans. The truth is that Johnson’s vision (which Obama adores) is to find a way to enslave black Americans one more to white society by making them dependent upon government for their sense of who they are ... and we have to say that Johnson did a pretty good job of pulling it off.

However, Johnson was opposed by the Democratic party en mass, and so what he did is conspired with Katharine Graham (publisher of the Washington Post) to “get the goods” on recalcitrant democrats. I have listened to that conversation at the LBJ library, and he did in fact tell her to get her photographers off their asses and on the next plane to the Bermuda and get pictures of members of congress cavorting with their “nieces” ... and he was sure he could get that law passed.

And he did ... which proves how corrupt the Democratic Party has been at least since 1912.

Kid said...

Z, Another example of cowards finding a way to bow down to their future islam infested cesspool.

The left is quite practiced at it.
Same tactics btw too - Misdirect, attack the messenger, insult, complain.

It's all they've got. Let them live in their leper colonies.

T Krabby said...

It seems that's it not just those Joooooossss Mr. Ducky hates. It seems he's very enamored with Misogyny and genital mutilation. He carries a sword for the brutality and ignorance of 12th century islam.

To make your transformation complete Mr. Ducky...all you have to do is convert...say allah akubar three times...and poof...you're no longer a kaifir. To complete the metamorphosis you're now allowed to pick out a spiffy grey robe and matching turban.

However...be careful...you're not entitled to 72 virgins. Maybe some ugly hags at starbucks will tide you over.

T Krabby said...

Brandeis bovine excrement. And the lying weasels say:

The college bestows honorary degrees as a means of acknowledging the outstanding accomplishments or contributions of individual men and women in any of a number of fields of human endeavor.

Just as Brandeis does not inquire into the political opinions and beliefs of faculty or staff before appointing them, or students before offering admission, "so too the University does not select honorary degree recipients on the basis of their political beliefs or opinions."

Always On Watch said...

How is it even possible that Brandeis was unaware of some of Ayaan Hirsi Ali's statements about Islam?

Besides the above, isn't it also possible that someone could be wrong about Islam yet still be correct about the misogyny that pervades so many Islamic nations?

HERE is Ayaan Hirsi Ali's statement about what has happened with Brandeis.

Excerpt:

Yesterday Brandeis University decided to withdraw an honorary degree they were to confer upon me next month during their Commencement exercises. I wish to dissociate myself from the university’s statement, which implies that I was in any way consulted about this decision. On the contrary, I was completely shocked when President Frederick Lawrence called me — just a few hours before issuing a public statement — to say that such a decision had been made.

When Brandeis approached me with the offer of an honorary degree, I accepted partly because of the institution’s distinguished history; it was founded in 1948, in the wake of World War II and the Holocaust, as a co-educational, nonsectarian university at a time when many American universities still imposed rigid admission quotas on Jewish students. I assumed that Brandeis intended to honor me for my work as a defender of the rights of women against abuses that are often religious in origin. For over a decade, I have spoken out against such practices as female genital mutilation, so-called “honor killings,” and applications of Sharia Law that justify such forms of domestic abuse as wife beating or child beating. Part of my work has been to question the role of Islam in legitimizing such abhorrent practices. So I was not surprised when my usual critics, notably the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), protested against my being honored in this way.

What did surprise me was the behavior of Brandeis. Having spent many months planning for me to speak to its students at Commencement, the university yesterday announced that it could not “overlook certain of my past statements,” which it had not previously been aware of. Yet my critics have long specialized in selective quotation — lines from interviews taken out of context — designed to misrepresent me and my work. It is scarcely credible that Brandeis did not know this when they initially offered me the degree.

What was initially intended as an honor has now devolved into a moment of shaming. Yet the slur on my reputation is not the worst aspect of this episode. More deplorable is that an institution set up on the basis of religious freedom should today so deeply betray its own founding principles....


More at the above link.

TS/WS said...

Today the Democrats all screamed McCarthyism when the e-mails were read in the open committee linking Collins and Learner

You're still ahead of the media

T Krabby said...

Apparently the sluts at NOW, the Femi-nazi's...or the PP and the butchers of unborn children....couldn't embrace Ali's core values, to wit:

In Ali’s own words, to

reinforce the basic rights and freedoms of women and girls, including security and control of their own bodies,access to an education, the ability to work outside the home and control their own income, freedom of expression and association, and the myriad other basic civil rights defined under the laws of Western democracies and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.


Hey Obongo...equal pay and equal "rights"....Right you slimy hypocrite?

But Ducky and his racist minions...refuse to see it...

Duckys here said...

Here is some info about Ali:


"A Dutch television documentary, aired last week, featured interviews with Ms Hirsi Ali's family in which her claims of an arranged marriage were denied. The programme also alleged that, contrary to her claims of having fled a war zone in Somalia, the MP had lived in comfortable upper middle-class circumstances safely in Kenya for at least 12 years before she sought refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992. Her family home - which is large and comfortable by Kenyan standards - was shown in the programme."
"A Dutch television documentary, aired last week, featured interviews with Ms Hirsi Ali's family in which her claims of an arranged marriage were denied. The programme also alleged that, contrary to her claims of having fled a war zone in Somalia, the MP had lived in comfortable upper middle-class circumstances safely in Kenya for at least 12 years before she sought refugee status in the Netherlands in 1992. Her family home - which is large and comfortable by Kenyan standards - was shown in the programme."

-----
Quite the little fraud. And then she gets folks to act as if she wee the first to protest female circumcision and worse, act as if she has done anything to promote change.
Opposition goes back at least as far as the 1920's in Kenya but people act as if this fraud is the first to speak out.

Hire a ghost writer for a "best seller" and start a phony foundation and count the dough.


T Krabby said...

Ducky:

Provide a link...and an attribution. And I think none of us give a crap about your assertions until you provide proof....But I think we'll all agree with her on this position...which all of us in the west know is for our survival as a Republic and also know, Islam, is the preeminent threat to our survival...as a free Republic...a free people.

Ali has described Islam as “a destructive, nihilistic cult of death,” and she has made no secret of her holistic distaste for both its tenets and its practice.

“Once Islam is defeated,” she argued during an interview with Reason in 2007, “it can mutate into something peaceful. ( very unlikely ).

It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace. I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars.”

TS/WS said...

of course her family would say that

just like Bubba said --"I did not have sex with that "woman"".

Duckys here said...

They aren't interested in peace?

They being all of Islam or just the "bad Muslims" which is a dog whistle for all of them.

But you are interested in peace, right Krabby?
Bore me later.

Sam Huntington said...

Here’s the deal ... Brandeis University can do what they want with their worthless honorary degree. It doesn’t matter whether Ayaan receives such a thing, or not. She’s certainly not losing sleep over it. What we are talking about here is the right of citizens to have opinion that is based on their own personal experiences, and to express that opinion in a public forum, without being demonized by some sleaze ball like ducky or ducky’s baby brother, Ibrahim Hooper. I mean, who doesn’t already know what low characters ducky and Ibrahim Hooper are?

T Krabby said...

Ducky....show me one organization crying over islam that purports promoting "peace".

You're a lying Dhimini and you know it ...go hug a pressure cooker...but first links...you can do it.

islam is a determined to kill the west...especially your kind of west first.

You're doing the same crap we heard 60 years ago....good Germans...bad Germans. BS.

Z said...

Ducky, the reams of information on her says quite the opposite, but you go ahead and believe Dutch television. Be happy!
Ignore all the good she's done in bringing to light the HIDEOUS behavior of the radical islamists you'd support before you'd support a Conservative American president. GOOD JOB.
This has been the most telling piece yet, in all the years I've known you...it's shown something about you that even I didn't think possible.
I'm thoroughly disgusted.

THE POINT IS NOT WHETHER SHE LIED ABOUT A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE.

THE POINT IS THE TRUTH. the point is we need to help women who suffer under the lousiest of that lousy 'faith' (Ooh, Z, you're SO bigoted :-))
Congratulate me.

Ducky, Brandeis was JEWISH....I'm surprised you're on their side FINALLY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsi_Ali
Educate yourself...it shows that your points are incorrect.
thanks.





Z said...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ab_1202757353

please see the kind of site Ducky's information came from. Very open minded, don't you think? :-)
She's apparently an ISLAMOPHOBE because she doesn't think women should be genitally mutilated, have forced marriages, etc.

That is the liberal mind.

T Krabby said...

Ducky...what amazes me is that you're capable of spouting this weasly, limp bullshit on the coming of the one year anniversary of the catastrophe that hit your fellow Bean towners...

Yea...that's it...you moron...turn the other cheek. It was an "anomaly". A muslim hiccup. I wonder...did your muslim heros at the B I G mosque provide any assistance for the families of the injured and killed?

Did they lower the star and crescent to half mast? Did they "denounce" the mayhem that their fellow followers of the "religion of peace" committed that day?

Or...did they demand understanding and respect? BTW..where was the local chapter of the odious CAIR that day...or days after? A good Dhimini would know.

T Krabby said...

@ Ms, Z:

" ISLAMOPHOBE "....we should all be.

It simply means fear or caution about an enemy that has no morals, respect for any human life..Period. Ducky is a "truth-a-phobe".

Z said...

Everyone:

I'm sorry for sounding so irate but I AM irate.
I'm sorry that people can come and denigrate someone who has such stellar background, who's had her life threatened, who was in intense hiding in the Senate building in the Netherlands..all because of threats by Islam, even having her partner Theo Van Gogh brutally murdered because his film shows criticism of radical, brutal islam.

I'd have thought that the Muslim women at Brandeis would give her a cheering, standing ovation. And I think they might have were it not for the efforts of CAIR.

Pay close attention to CAIR, folks........they're coming a bit unraveled now (sort of like HOlder is when asked questions and only killing the messenger instead of RESPONDING because he and Ibrahim Hooper simply can't) and we need to keep that push going.

Again..sorry for sounding so shrewish but I'm appalled and saddened by people who can't differentiate between RADICALs and normal people. It's dangerous.

Z said...

T Krabby, it always kind of amuses me that muslims across America barely wore hijab or ate halal (sp?) until 9/11.
No demands...peaceful people...doing their religion...no problems.

suddenly, THEIR radicals kill and the demands started. And it's the fault of Christians :-)

T Krabby said...

Oh Mr. Ducky...

As a photographer...did you go out and document the carnage in B&W? Or color? No..color would have way too graphic for you.

Seems to be a "street" photographer wouldn't have missed this opportunity to see islam radicalism up close and personal. Or were you to busy removing the ball bearings and nails used in the bombs from the victims limbs?

Nah..I think you chicken shitted out and went straight to MSNBC or the Boston Globe to ease your conscience.

It just had to be 'right wing" fanatics...right? TEA Party types, right?

T Krabby said...

Oh Mr. Ducky...

As a photographer...did you go out and document the carnage in B&W? Or color? No..color would have way too graphic for you.

Seems to me a "street" photographer wouldn't have missed this opportunity to see islam radicalism up close and personal. ( And the close ups could have had a monetary value too? ) Or were you to busy removing the ball bearings and nails used in the bombs from the victims limbs?

Nah..I think you chicken shitted out and went straight to MSNBC or the Boston Globe to ease your conscience.

It just had to be 'right wing" fanatics...right? TEA Party types, right?

T Krabby said...

Ms. Z..sorry for the double post...feel free to delete one..or all..as you see fit.

It was unintentional I assure you.

Kid said...
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T Krabby said...

@Ms. Z:

"I'm sorry that people can come and denigrate..."

People? No.....Lady...A "P E R S O N"

I use the term loosely. The SOB is in need of an exorcism.

Kid said...

Krabby, yea, duck is So careful not to Offend any muslim vermin, but hops all over any chance to grossly insult the very people trying to maintain freedom and individual liberty for ALL Americans.

shit for brains is all I can figure

T Krabby said...

@Ms. Z:

"It always kind of amuses me that muslims across America barely wore hijab or ate halal (sp?) until 9/11."

Really? I believe it was a call to unify and rally around the islamic flag. There certainly wasn't any calls for condemnation.

T Krabby said...

@Mr. Kid....

A true "progressive" must always be on the side of the misunderstood and the downtrodden.

Like...Brandeis pukes, cowards and ultimately proven...assholes.

T Krabby said...

Ummm....just like the Mozilla assholes?

Z said...

lots of my statements are rhetorical.

Could everybody watch their language just a little?

Thanks!

T Krabby said...

Do you mean "assholes"?

It's more acceptable than the "F" word, wouldn't you agree?

Alas...

I guess I should give up my dream of getting an honorary degree from Brandeis.

I share too many of this woman's views about Islam and the war we are losing against Islam with the help of useful idiots like the leadership at Brandies and most other US universities.

T Krabby said...

English is such a colorful language...and we're all adults, with all due respect Ms. Z.

Please try to understand...passion and restraint are sometimes an impossible goal to achieve in simple text...without some of that extra color and added.

Kid said...

With the left it's all about the "victims" (read: Losers)

-I can't afford contraceptives even though I drive a beemer.
-Everybody doesn't like me
-I'm sad about my life. Someone else should pay.
ad infinitum.

The entire left in America should be referred to Losers For Losers.

Krabby, you go to that same club I go to every Friday for white, over 21, good looking people? Give the special knock and $100 come flying out the mail slot at me. Or so they think?


Kid said...

My apologies Z. See this is why I don't read duck or take him as anything more than a screaming 3 yr old 99.99999% of the time.

There is only one way to talk to such an idiot and it doesn't befit your demure blog comment section.

T Krabby said...

I was thinking...ducky must have been so upset to learn that islamist terrorists were responsible...and one killed...and one captured and then fed forever on the states dime.

He'll never get the needle in MA..they're way too civilized to execute the murderer of an 8 year old.

T Krabby said...

@Mr. Kid:

"Krabby, you go to that same club I go to every Friday for white..."

Hush....shhhhh...please don't divulge the secret knock...OK?

Mustang said...

As gentlemen, let us endeavor to control our passions ... and our language in the presence of the ladies.

Thanks

TS/WS said...

There is a difference between censorship and making someone with the delete button angry.

Duckys here said...

@krabby ---

He'll never get the needle in MA..they're way too civilized to execute the murderer of an 8 year old.
----
It's a Federal trial.
Damn, you're stupid.

Z said...

Mustang; thank you very much.

Everybody: This is my blog and I ask for respect, that's all.
My using any kind of language is my business and my not having it here is mine, too.

If anybody thinks that's censorship, after I've specifically asked for no profanity above the comment box, they're dead WRONG.

T Krabby said...

Ducky...

Keep in mind dipstick a truism of Islam...

The American academy will be the first to go under Sharia law.

So will the gays and lesbians. Lawyers, scientists, doctors, teachers and any leader in our society.

Of course Hollywood and all of its hoopla would go immediately along with the "Free" MSM.

Do you naive´fools not realize that? Who the the hell are you defending?


So...did you shoot color or B&W?

Z said...

goodnight, folks!