Monday, April 4, 2011

Two Muslim women who have it RIGHT! Bravo

The video below speaks volumes for muslims all over the world and I know she's more passionate and articulate and well educated than many, but we must realize she's not alone. This is QUITE a video:

That video's part of THIS ARTICLE which is a must read, about the gorgeous Pakistani actress who BIG TIME told off a muslim Imam who was insulting her because of her actions in the Western world;  If you haven't seen her yet you'll want to, especially if you're a man!  Catch the video you'll see at the end of the linked article.......she's GORGEOUS and GOOD!

geeeez

98 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Raheel Raza! WC and I were supposed to interview her a short time back, but scheduling problems intervened.

Always On Watch said...

Ms. Raza's web site is HERE.

She has received death threats, according to Wiki.

Always On Watch said...

Ms. Raza on Islamophobia:

[M]any Muslims in the West use Islamophobia as a penalty card against free speech whenever there is criticism of Muslims.

[...]

Don't get me wrong. As a devout Muslim, I cherish and respect my faith. However, the question I ask is how much Islam is harmed by those demonizing it.

From Dante's Inferno to the Danish cartoons, there have always been people who demean Islam. Does this harm the faith? No.

We'd have to be very insecure in our faith to think that the workings of evil minds and dirty politics could harm a strong, vibrant religion that has flourished for 1,400 years...


More at the above link.

Always On Watch said...

She sees Obama as weak.

Anonymous said...

RAZA is Right;

I am Muslim too, and I'm with her 100%.

building a Mosque at Grand ZERO is an insult to whom who were hurtled on 9/11.
and Any Islamic sign or symbol on GRAND ZERO is an insult to the Christians and to the VICTIMS of 9/11.

USA and GRAND ZERO are not the ISLAMIC LAND, irritating the sensitivity of the hurtled people by the Islamic signs and behaviors is not excusable and is not allowed in the Koranic WORDS.

What they do, those Islamists, under any label is the DIABOLIC PROVOCATIONS.

SAM

Anonymous said...

100 Millions of USD$ the price of the DEVIL's HOUSE on GRAND ZERO???!!!

What a shame.

there are so many poor people in the Islamic countries, so many small girls sold for a few dollars because of the extreme miserable condition of the parents.

OH MY GOD;

This is not a MOSQUE, this is the house of DEVIL, this is the house of ANTI-CHRIST and ANTI-GOD.

Bomb it to dust.

BOMB IT LIKE WHAT THEY DID on 9/11.

For the non Violante people who are Christian PACIFISTS, TAKE THAT MOSQUE for a public toilet and go there and shit there.

I AM MUSLIM, and I am in a red anger.

Any faithful Muslim who hears the HISTORY of this HOUSE OF DEVIL(MOSQUE of GRAND ZERO) of 100 Millions of USD$ and do not manifest his disgust and his anger is not a MUSLIM, he or she is the follower of the SATAN.

SAM

Steve Harkonnen said...

People can praise Raza all they want.

But I have feelings of my own about Muslims of ANY kind.

I don't trust them at all.

Not even the Apostates.

She can roast in hell before I'd trust her, let alone praise her.

Major said...

"I don't trust them at all.

Not even the Apostates"



I'm right there with you Steve....they can all go to hell. All one has to do is know them up close and personal. I'll stick with the "islamophobes" for my beer drinking.

Remember this:

""Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," he told a Muslim audience in Fremont, Calif., in 1998. "The Quran should be the highest authority in America."

And nothing about that statement has changed.

Joe said...

AOW wrote: "She has received death threats, according to Wiki."

That's the way of far too many Muslims. Do something I don't like and, BAM...you're dead.

Major said...

Considering her statements...I wonder why she didn't address these tid bits too?

"The so-called hadith (the words and deeds of Muhammed) further established women’s subordinate status. Some tidbits:

Two prayers that never reach heaven are those of a runaway slave and those of a reluctant woman who frustrates her husband at night.

Hellfire appeared to me in a dream and I noticed that it was above all peopled with women who … had not shown any gratitude toward their husbands for all they had received from them. Even when all your life you have showered a woman with your largess she will still find something petty to reproach you with one day, saying, “You have never done anything for me.”


If anything presages a bad omen it is: a house, a woman, a horse.


Never will a people know success if they confide their affairs to a woman.


Better for a man to be splashed by a pig than for him to brush against the elbow of a woman not permitted him.


The one who touches the hand of a woman who is not his will have an ember placed on his palm on the day of judgment.


Three things interrupt a man’s prayer [by passing in front of him] …: a woman, a donkey and a black dog.


Muhammed’s influence, conveyed through his words and actions, is a tragedy for humanity

Karen Howes said...

Excellent, Ms. Raza. Kudos to you.

Pris said...

These women are risking their lives in speaking out. It's interesting that they are mostly the muslims doing this.

It's the muslim women who have the most to lose if Islam does not undergo a reformation, and it's obvious to me, it'll be a long time before it does.

These women have great courage, and I believe they should be applauded for it.

There must be many more before I can give up my wariness toward muslims in general including mainly muslim males, but credit should be given where credit is due.

Z said...

The two women in the videos (I know most of you have only had time to see the video I actually show here but the video in the linked article ROCKS, too, believe me, and she's far prettier! (far)!!) are strong muslim women.

I'm thinking these women are NOT the muslim women who want to stay home, quietly behind veils, marrying the man of someone else's choice, and not minding if any woman is raped?
Make sense to you, too, now that you've seen them SPEAK?

Maybe we can all start to believe that MOST MUSLIMS are NOT the terrorist types; I don't trust ANY Muslims who doesn't speak out like this in public or private...I'm sorry but I don't.....
BUT, to think these women are rare exceptions is a little silly.

Muslims put American THROUGH LIVING HELL and they need to ALL SPEAK OUT, to OVERCOME THE TERRORISTS, to ALLOW OUR FEDS INTO MOSQUES ANY TIME THEY WISH...if they were like the women in my videos, I think they would say "why NOT let the feds in? these American Christians and Jews need to be reassured we are NOT preaching hate toward the West, NOT teaching how to terrorize, NOT promoting SHaria Law"

I believe there are many who feel this way. And I fear it only takes ONE to "REALLY RUIN YOUR DAY" (with a nuke, dirty bomb, etc.)

We need to be careful, we need to open our hearts and they need to prove they're deserving of that.

thanks for your comments.

AOW, I just watched it again and she says "Mayor Bloomberg and OTHER BLEEDING HEART WHITE LIBERALS!" You're right, she has no love for Obama!

Z said...

She even questions the FUNDING for that mosque...sound like a rabid terrorist to any of YOU? :-)

Steve Harkonnen said...

Z, ask any Russian soldier who served in Afghanistan during their failed attempt in "taking" that country and you will find that they were deceived by Muslims who pretended to be their friends.

You should be very cautious in declaring "opening our hearts to them" because these people are insidious and cannot ever be trusted.

I will NEVER be misled by a Muslim!

Always On Watch said...

Steve,
Let me be clear. I don't open my heart to them. I am well aware of the insidious aspect and possibility.

But if their words are on record as the words of these women are, I will use those words.

Z said...

I couldn't be more careful, Steve, I'm no dope, believe me...

I hope you took the time to watch both videos; if you think a woman can talk that fast and assuredly and be lying thru her teeth, then ...I don't know what to say.

If you think a gorgeous Muslim could tell an Imam off like that, dressed like she is, just to throw us off the burqa scent, I doubt it.

As I said...I'm not buying much of any of this UNTIL I HEAR MARCHES AGAINST TERROR BY MUSLIMS IN ALL WESTERN COUNTRIES, but, until then, I'm hoping.

I have one of the loveliest Christians I've ever met in my BIble STudy group...she's an ex Muslim from Iran and almost her whole family has converted because they wanted the peace she has.
Think she's lying to me? Attending every THursday morning from Malibu into Santa Monica in rush hour traffic, between raising a bunch of sons, etc etc. just so I THINK she's a Christian? :-)

Z said...

(By the way, STEVE, the gorgeous muslim is not the one I have in my video, she's in the link below)

Ducky's here said...

Muslim woman have been speaking out for a while. It's the ones that stay home and have the courage to speak rather than the gadflies who move west who will bring change.

Slow, but it will happen.

Z said...

They get killed for 'staying home and speaking out', Ducky...

If you watch the video in the link under the visible video, you'd see that this Pakistani girl is under great pressure from Muslims in Pakistan and it's probably only her fame that's keeping her around at all.

Please provide any information you have about muslim women speaking out enough to make a difference in their countries.
I think some in Tehran are speaking out, the ones at universities, and there are a couple of books I've read by a few of them, but it's negligible and this religion you admire so much usually puts them to death if they can.

This is one of the reasons the big secret that so many muslims are coming to Christ is that big a secret; they can't speak out.
Yet there are those who insult us here at home for rational, empirically proven fears, and speaking out in hopes of muslims starting to betray islamists and helping us put an end to terrorism,,,

http://www.islam-watch.org/LeavingIslam/Muslims2Christianity.htm

The above article's from 2007 and the best I could come up with as I'm busy today; this number has HUGELY amplified according to my Christian Iranian friend....I believe the fact that IRan started arresting more and more Christians this last Christmas Day shows how fearful they are that Christ is taking hold in Iran; the only real way we can overcome terror unless nukes are finally ready, anyway.
Those Christians are in huge jeopardy every day and they're not letting down...amazing. Not sure how many Americans would die for their faith.

SO... Muslim or CHristian, let them be peaceful and let them work harder to prevent terrorism; that's all I ASK.

Always On Watch said...

I highly doubt that any women, Muslima or otherwise, will have much effect on male-centric Islam, that is to say, "the real Islam." Maybe hundreds of years from now, that good effect might happen, but not any time soon.

The reformist movement in Islam has very little traction. Why? Because most reformers want to tear out -- if not burn -- certain portions of the Koran. The problem with that approach? The Koran is, word for word, the infallible word of Allah as far as the vast majority of Muslims are concerned. And among that vast majority are those throwing bombs. It takes only a few such violent individuals to control a much greater number.

Anonymous said...

"The Koran is, word for word, the infallible word of Allah as far as the vast majority of Muslims are concerned."


"For a decade we should have been exposing the disgusting life of Islam’s heinous, psychotic founder. Instead we’re bankrupting ourselves helping these savages, and we’ve got armies dying to bring them cvilization while leaving the putrid ideology of Islam intact. That completely negates any “progress” we fantasize about making in their cesspool world.

Anyone who writes about Muslims, thinks he’s friends with devoted Muslims, or says anything kind about their pestilential religion is pathetically ignorant about what lays at Islam’s foundation, or is a pervert of the first order.

Islam is an inimical uncompatible and enemy creed that badly needs exposure, ridicule, marginalization and then destruction.

Ever wonder why Muslims hate us? It’s nothing we have done.

Muslims surrender their humanity to a craven and insane ideology which no reasonable human would ever devote himself to unless there was something terribly wrong with him/her.

Impertinent said...

Wow Ms.Z. Looks like you're heading for another record breaking day in the comments section!

Gotta go now.

Z said...

AOW, while I think it's years away, I do believe that women can convince,I think things are changing much more rapidly than we think now, particularly since Muslim women are getting educated again.
When they were educated so well in Iran all those years before the Shah, they were an asset and I believe they still have that spunk and intelligence and now they are more willing.
Their pursuit of less rigidity, more kindness to them and their daughters, the end of rape and forced marriages, etc., are seductive and something behind those burqa'd eyes for YEARS. That's not going away, they're going to be inspired by the two women in the videos. Perhaps I should show the video as I don't think people are watching it...let me see if I can add it to the mix on my original post.

Thanks for your thoughts.

IMP; I'm tired of the HATE. And thinking I don't want to work this hard anymore on this blog. I have a huge private life of very stressful stuff, even tho it's all VERY good stuff; I'm busy.
I'm tired of the hate lately....I'm tired of people abusing geeeZ terribly, and I'm tired of the hate.

Anonymous said...

AOW;

I’m Iranian and I’m Muslim,
There are some points in your post that makes me to react.

There is a big resistance in IRAN against the Islamists from the beginning of this shameful political Islamic power.

We have elected a woman to head the resistance, and she had chosen a women headquarter to assist her.

We have offered more than 120,000 martyrs and this number is growing each day.

The reason why you don’t hear talking about our RESISTANCE is that our resistance is labeled terrorist in your State Dept. from 14 years ago till now.

The reason why we have spend such a huge human price and we are still there, because USA and EU support politically and militarily the MULLAHS.

Look at these links below, and you will find another face of the events.

- John Bolton on MEK(Iranian Resistance);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxsQG7HNXmk
- Louis Freeh
Director of Federal Bureau of
Investigation (1993-2001)
De-list PMOI now,
it was listed without
consulting FBI
http://www.ncr-iran.org/en/images/stories/il-310-ukconference-l.pdf
– Congress Hearing and Rep. Ted Poe questionong Hilary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR6B1pAhUrw
Paris Conference: the first 5 Mn is Maryam Rajavi, and other 15 minuts are the Americans that you may trust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jXVAXuQ4WI&feature=related

SAM

Impertinent said...

Ms.Z:

I think many people are frustrated,angry and yes pretty fed up with Islam and the problems it's causing today.

Frustrated because as a civilized people we still try to impose western standards of understanding and tolerance to the bizarre and cruel actions perpetrated on innocents.

That anger can be understood and translated into hate. How does one even begin to tolerate or warm up to the intolerable? And hate....because it might be justified for the crimes committed in it's name. And they are crimes against humanity.

Now people who watch Ms. Raza....see that she in her own words heaps scorn upon her own...as well as the Pakistani woman who really hurls the truth at this imam. Where she tells him to clean his own house first.

I know...it's tough to be fair and take the center....but I think it might be way too late to continue to be "fair". Maybe it's time to be more honest. And maybe dialog like this might be seen by muslims who might realize just how antagonistic and how unreasonable they are, living in this country.

Z said...

SAM, I am tired of all the hate, I really am.
Thank you for those links, they are important.

Americans WILL NEVER BELIEVE ALL OUR ADMINISTRATIONS ARE SUPPORTING THE MULLAHS SO YOU JUST HAVE TO GET USED TO THAT FACT. it is a FACT. NEVER will we believe any of that.

Maybe someone in the media SOME DAY, will actually speak out and tell the truth. I do believe there is MUCH more anti-Islamist rhetoric in Iran than we are allowed here in AMerica. I know that. The German resistance to Hitler was FAR FAR FAR bigger in Germany than in France or anywhere else, but that wasn't 'popular' to disclose, either. That IS the truth.

With the internet, information which could not come out to anybody is now coming out a little...but only a little.
And this is why our Leftists want our Conservative blogs SHUT DOWN. There IS no discussion, no exchange of ideas, no respect for any viewpoint than theirs. This is another thing that's wearing so many of us down.
But we will NOT give up, either thru blogging or other ways.

You must feel all Americans hate all Muslims and it's not true; I think you know that. We just need more muslims to march against islamist terrorism. WHY ARE THEY NOT???

Z said...

Imp, I hope this dialogue is seen, thanks for that.
ANd I hope they watch the videos and that they STAND UP and live like Americans in OUR CULTURE or GO HOME.

I'm TIRED of demands we have now (footwashing basins in schools, cab drivers turning away fares, muslim butchers not cutting pork,..all that's NEW!) that weren't made before 9/11 and I'm tired of NEVER getting an answer from any Muslims as to why they chose to wait to kill 3000 Americans to start making demands and building more and MORE mosques and being MORE IN OUR FACE.

When more women like these speak up and we see millions of muslims in marches against terror, we'll all be happier.

Pris said...

Not a month ago, five Jews were butchered in their home by Palestinian men. Three of the victims were children.

The celebration of the murderous rampage that followed in Gaza, was not limited only to Hamas. Candy was passed out and muslims of all stripes participated.

I can't forget that, or open my heart to them. So, while all muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are muslims, and the last I heard, polls show the majority of muslims support Jihad.

While I admire these women who speak out, it's not enough to affect the muslim population, or to sway muslims to abandon jihad. If anything, they're stepping it up.

I have no doubt there are some American muslims who deplore such a terrible act, however we heard very little about this murder, and nothing from the muslim community. Until that changes, I remain very wary and distrustful, and IMO, for good reason.

Btw, Glenn Beck is the only one who reported this and spoke of it for three days. The rest of the media couldn't be bothered.

Anonymous said...

Z;
Thank you by allowing me to post freely in your blog,
If there were more MADAME Z, and each one with a Zeeee blog, we had overcome this huge media barrage against the truth.
You said;
<>

My answer is;
Your US AUTHORITIES do not let us to come to USA and organize a huge anti-Islamist and Anti-Terrorist rally.
Z;
A rally should be organized, who do you want to organize the anti Islamist rally?
The USA ISLAMIC CENTERS???


SAM

FrogBurger said...

The rest of the media couldn't be bothered.

They are too busy with Libya AND the royal wedding.

See the leftist media which is all for equality and fairness is in love with royalty.

Anonymous said...

This part was cut from my post

You said;
You must feel all Americans hate all Muslims and it's not true; I think you know that. We just need more muslims to march against islamist terrorism. WHY ARE THEY NOT???

SAM

Impertinent said...

"and the last I heard, polls show the majority of muslims support Jihad."


Ms. Prisc...I saw figures that in the US up to 26% supported and justified both jihad and bombings.

They estimated this was around 200,000 potential enemy combatants right here!

At last count there were about 203,000 Marines on active duty!

And how many are on active deployment overseas reducing their ranks here even further.

In my mind the caliphate is rapidly expanding after witnessing Egypt and elsewhere.

It's doing the same here.

Bring the Marines home.

Anonymous said...

IMP;

The danger is present,

You said;

<>

the Figures are right, the danger is present.

We know how this Islamist threat works, and we know how this ISLAMISATION has penetrated in your country.

We are now very active, we have gathered some of the USA EX rulers around this Islamic threat, They all agree that the vital USA interests and the world peace are in danger.

We are pushing your administration to leave us to remove this threat.

With the USA MILITARY HELP to the Islamists, we have to pay a greater human price to remove them.

I have to add something here.

We know exactly who is the enemy, But, you don’t know.

The American FOLK don’t know the enemy, the American rulers know who is the enemy, but, denouncing the enemy by your officials will engage those rulers to react.

BUT, the reaction and rejection of the Islamic threat is not in the interests of some Trusts.

SAM

Anonymous said...

IMP;

This part was deleted from my post.

You said;

<>

SAM

Z said...

Imp "Bring the Marines home"

AMEN TO THAT. They HATE us there and we're dying for them? that has to STOP.
Put marines on OUR BORDERS. Let them protect THEIR FAMILIES and friends.


SAM...wouldn't you think that there are 100 muslims in the whole United States of AMerica with the resolve, the motivation and the desire to march against islamist terror on Western SOciety? WHERE ARE THEY?
Why should they need your people? That doesn't speak very well for Muslims in AMerica...they just keep hiding behind the Council on American Islamic Relations ...whose Arabic name probably translates to COUNCIL ON HOW MUSLIMS CAN GET THEIR WAY AGAINST AMERICANS.

Pris, we all know we can't trust ALL MUSLIMS for hearing two fantastic women, but I do believe this is a far cry from what we had even 3 years ago ...and I know this is growing at least in the woman's islamic world.
The leader of SAM's group has been a woman for years and years.

There will always be nuts in every 'religion', every group...the trouble is islam has been taken over by something bigger and I'm not sure what it is. Something and someone is goading them and giving them money,in my opinion.
just like Palestinians have NEVER been helped financially by Arabs who are stinking rich! BUT, they keep Palestinians in a situation where they hate Jews and want to hurt Jews, taking out on JEWS their supposed poverty, etc........my opinion has always been that rich Muslims use the Palestinians to scratch the itch of the Jews and keep them upset and in terror.

Anonymous said...

Deleted again;

Ms. Prisc...I saw figures that in the US up to 26% supported and justified both jihad and bombings.

SAM

Z said...

SAM you said "the American rulers know who is the enemy, but, denouncing the enemy by your officials will engage those rulers to react.

BUT, the reaction and rejection of the Islamic threat is not in the interests of some Trusts."

SO, tell us, please.

And please, does GEORGE SOROS fit into any of this as far as you know?
Is this about anything BUT oil and why would our American Democrat 'rulers' want us dependent on Arab oil?

Anonymous said...

Z;

Those 100 Muslims will be sued immediately by the very strong Islamist lobbies in the USA.

Do you know who is your Stat Dept. interlocutor for the Iranian People?

An Organization named NIAC.
and this NIAC is the Mullahs lobby in the USA.

SAM

Anonymous said...

George SOROS is the enemy N° one.

SOROS is for the Business with the Islamic world and with Ahmadinejad.

The USA energetic independence will cut the huge benefits that the Oil companies gain from the oil over-prices due to the middle east instabilities.

SORROS support Financially and politically the Islamic Regime of the Mullahs of IRAN.

SAM

cube said...

I will lend my support when I see a sea of moslems voicing their support of America and our freedoms. These two women is a welcome start, but I need to see more.

Faith said...

Just have to interject here

SAM: You are not being deleted. When you use these marks < > around your quotes the quote gets automatically erased by the software program.

If you use those marks the other way around >quote in here< it should work.

As for the topic, my opinion is that if we were still the Christian nation we used to be, Islam wouldn't be a threat to us.

Anonymous said...

Thank you faith;


You said;
>As for the topic, my opinion is that if we were still the Christian nation we used to be, Islam wouldn't be a threat to us.<

My answer is;

I translate your opinion on my interest and I say you, you are 100% right if you the Americans, you stand on your principal values and you do not sell your principal Values for the petrodollars.

For the Christianity values against the Islamists terrorism, I am with you.

Jesus was crucified for the DIVINE Values;

This is the Picture of the CHRISTIANITY that we the Muslims have in our head.

SAM

beamish said...

sigh

Jen said...

What a fantastic article!
This is exactly what American women and conservatives need to see!
I know there are several issues here:
1. Muslims speaking out agains radical Islam (thankfully, and it NEEDS to happen MUCH more.)
2. Muslim women speaking out against the abuses commited in the name of Islam. More power to them. "Feminists" need to wake up and change their agendas, or get left in the dust. Maybe it's better that they were left behind, and the new generation...start NEW!
3. Liberal media refusing to acknowledge the misogyny taking place in Islam due to the their own "multicultural" agenda.

We need to forward this....spread it around.
This is so well articulated.

Faith said...

>>>For the Christianity values against the Islamists terrorism, I am with you.

Jesus was crucified for the DIVINE Values;

This is the Picture of the CHRISTIANITY that we the Muslims have in our head.
<<<

That's an OK translation of my opinion as far as it goes, Sam, but more than that I mean that the nation (at least the Christians among us) needs to repent of all kinds of sins against God and seek Him seriously in prayer and if we did we might get some REAL divine power for a change instead of our weak disorganized stupid ways of dealing with Islam. Then if that happened, for one thing people would see that Christ IS God, and we wouldn't have to be always trying to explain things to them. I know you are a Muslim and I can't really blame you for not preferring Christianity the way things are now. It's our fault.

Z said...

Faith, thanks for that, I hope that's SAM's situation. I appreciate the help as it's very frustrating for him being deleted.

I think you're right about CHristianity and Islam, too.

SAM...do you hear Soros mentioned much in Arab worlds, or in the European newspapers? je suis curieuse........
Jesus was crucified for ALL of our sins, yesterday, today and tomorrow, my friend.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

end of homily :-)


Beamish...thank you for your restraint. I could hear that 'sigh' from here.

Z said...

Jen, why CONSERVATIVES...?
I keep wishing the supposedly "liberal" groups like NOW, etc., would speak up! Where ARE THEY at the horrible things committed against women by Islamists?

And yes, more people need to HEAR THESE GREAT WOMEN, you are SO RIGHT!! xxx

WomanHonorThyself said...

I agree with Steve Z..

You should be very cautious in declaring "opening our hearts to them" because these people are insidious and cannot ever be trusted.

be careful indeed..how do we know when its not takkiya?

Anonymous said...

Faith
You said;
>I know you are a Muslim and I can't really blame you for not preferring Christianity the way things are now. It's our fault.<

I know Jesus and Christianity from Koran, this is the reason why I love so MUCH SANTA MARIA and Saint ISSA.

A Muslim should love God’s prophets.

JESUS is the love of GOD.

Anti MOISE, and ANTI ISSA Messiah is the ANTI-GOD.

And for Islam, we should stay inside to explode the SATAN who had installed and reside inside.

FAITH, what is an Ayatollah or a Mullah, they represent the SATAN.

If you the Christians, you fight that SATAN(Islamism), you will be accused to be anti-MUSLIM and you will have an eternal crusade war, but, we are MUSLIM, and this is our duty to clean this shame of SATANISM(Islamism) from our religion.

GOD has recommended us the love and respect of MOUSSA AND ISSA.

FAITH;
There is a CHURCH in the TEHRAN CENTER;

I never succeeded to have a place when there is a Christian Ceremony in that CHURCH, because all the seats are taken from at least 10 hours before the CEREMONY by the Muslims.

For Christmas, the people go there from 4 AM, to see the Ceremony at midnight.

The Muslims go to your CHURCH not to convert, they go there to hear the LYRICS, the CHRISTIAN LYRICS.

There are so many Muslims in your Christian CHURCHES that the Christians do not find places in their own churches.

NOBODY PERMITS HIMSELF to disturb the holly atmosphere which governs the ceremony steps.

Do you know how many hours takes a KALDANI CEREMONY?
At least 4 hours.

SAM

Anonymous said...

Z;

The ARAB FOLKS, the one who do the politics, they know SOROS, but there is no free speech in the ARAB World.

But, it is moving in the ARAB WORLD.

EACH DAY there are at least 35 killed in IRAQ by the Islamist government.

Syria is already started, several hundreds of killed from 25th of Feb.;

In Egypt, Obama wanted to impose El-Baradei, but he was rejected by the youth.

it is starting.

In the GAZA STREP, the Palestinians are raising up against the HAMAS, and HAMAS wants to create a war with Israel to undermine his internal opposition.

SAM

Jen said...

Well, everyone needs to see it. I think it's good to realize that not every Muslim is a radical Muslim. I think it's important to realize that the MSM isn't speaking out about it.

Z, contemporary feminism (NOW) has lost me.

I think that part of the problem is that it was founded not on the basis of doing humanitarian work for women, and making true progress for women in need, but for being LOUD and VISIBLE and making a place for themselves in textbooks. They accomplished that. When it's obvious that there's a multitude of suffereing going on, and they are being willfully blind...that's sad.

Impertinent said...

Sam....stop using the silly greater than less than symbols...OK?
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Maybe you'll be able to get your posts up.

Z said...

SAM, we hear so little!

"In Egypt, Obama wanted to impose El-Baradei, but he was rejected by the youth."

Are the youth following MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, SAM?

"In the GAZA STREP, the Palestinians are raising up against the HAMAS, and HAMAS wants to create a war with Israel to undermine his internal opposition."

We have that happen here, too...big problem watching in one direction while our president installs people into his gov't on a Friday night with no media awake.
But this is FAR FAR more serious...that Hamas will create problems for Israel rather than to let themselves be overthrown.

SAM, here in AMerica, our liberals think Hamas is a good group because it helps the Arabs with food, etc........how much of them do you think is good and how much is bad? Most conservatives understand Hamas is ultra islamist and wants only the end of Israel.

Please do what Faith and Imp suggested...stop with the <> stuff...it doesn't help in the reading of your comments at all, anyway...

Imp...thanks for that.

beamish said...

I sigh so that I don't rage.

I sigh so that I don't cry.

I'm tired of being hoarse and bloodshot.

Z said...

Jen, I saw your remarks about NOW, etc., and something came to my mind and I can't shake it;

Lesbians are IN now...it's OKAY NOW, they're OUT NOW....I truly truly wonder how much of this was about THAT? Remember how militant Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan, etc., were? (well, you're too young but I KNOW you've studied it :-)...BAN THE BRA, etc.
WHY? They have done so little politically, little for feminism, ....maybe it was even a subconscious kind of motivation? To get lesbianism recognized and 'approved'? I wonder. They're sure quiet now that they're OUT, and have been! OBVIOUSLY, I"m not suggesting that all NOW members are gay, that's ridiculous, but...........
what do you think?

Tammy Bruce was the president of the LA Chapter of NOW...she is a lesbian and now has a Conservative talk show! actually, I'm not sure we hear her anywhere in LA anymore but Mr. Z and I liked to listen to her....I know Brooke hears her but she went off a popular time/station here and I haven't looked for her since.

Z said...

Beamish, that's why I said RESTRAINT and how much I appreciate it.
You didn't think I thought you were sighing with delight, did you?

What's this comment now..? You gearing up again? NOOOOOOOOO!! :-)

Anonymous said...

Thanks IMP; and Z;

Well, a GOOD HAMAS is a dead HAMAS,

The majority of the Egyptians are against the MB.

El-Baradei represents Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs of Iran for the Egyptians.

and the Egyptians hate the Mullahs as they hate Mobarak.

El-Baradei's wife is the Daughter of an Iranian Ayatollah, and this is not pardonable for the Egyptians.

El-Baradei's position was pro Iran and against BUSH, this is a sign that can not be washed easily.

the Peace price of El-Baradei an Obama have the SOROS COLOR, this is what ARAB WORLD SEES.

SAM

Impertinent said...

"I'm tired of being hoarse and bloodshot."


Beamish...you're bloodshot cause all that stuff gets all over your monitor and it's hard to see? ;-)

Impertinent said...

"Thanks IMP; and Z;"

Anything that helps Ms. Z Sam...anything.

beamish said...

Z,

No, I'm not gearing up for a rant.

They don't change anything but my blood pressure and dehydrate my eyes.

If I were an effective voice against Islam, my own sister wouldn't have become a Muslim.

I hate my shoes.

Anonymous said...

Z;

I forgot to add that, HAMAS do not represent all the Palestinians.

Hamas is supported financially and logistically by the person of Khameneii.

Khaled Mashaal gets his payments from Khameneii(each time a minimum of 250 MUSD$).

SAM

Z said...

Beamish, any news on your sis now that things died down over there? (won't say too much because I forget exactly how much you've said here and how much elsewhere..)

Z said...

SAM..what percentage of Palestinians do you think support Hamas?

Anonymous said...

Z;

There is no free media in GAZA;

Any voice against HAMAS will see the DEATH SQUAD.

Their DEATH SQUAD do not speak ARABIC.

They say that they are the death SQUAD of Ahmadinejad, they are all with BLACK hoods.

What we know is that if there is a free election, the HAMAS will be defeated by a large majority of the Palestinians.

SAM

beamish said...

She's back working again and is as much the marionette of al-Jazeera News as ever... sigh...

She's supposed to come home, er, back to America next month.

I offered to let her crash on my couch whenever she needs to get away from my parents house, which I'm betting will be alot. I even offered that there's a Islamic Center right up the street from my apartment.

I even offered to attend mosque with her. That's going to go over like biscuits and barf with my family, but if anyone's going to show her love, it's gotta be me.

I'm her "favorite brother."

Z said...

Beamish, my ex-muslim friend who converted to Christianity says that exact thing: love, love, love....you can't make a difference without it and I know she'll relate to you better with it than without.
She's probably really hungry for some brother love, I sure do hope she can come and all goes well.

Craig said...

SORROS support Financially and politically the Islamic Regime of the Mullahs of IRAN.

Sam, It doesn't appear the Mullahs and Ahmadinejad are real fond of their "benefactor". In fact, I'd say they fear him.

Mr. Soros’s name was invoked repeatedly during the show trials of opposition figures in Tehran in 2009, following weeks of street protests over the country’s disputed presidential election. At his trial, an Iranian academic who once received support from Mr. Soros, Kian Tajbakhsh, claimed, in what appeared to be a forced confession, that the country’s former president, Mohammad Khatami, had met with Mr. Soros to plot the overthrow of Iran’s Islamic Republic.

SAM, here in AMerica, our liberals think Hamas is a good group

Z, It would be helpful if you could support this statement. I haven't heard any liberals support Hamas. Liberals were critical of the Bush Admin. for pushing elections in Gaza. They were totally unprepared for the Hamas win and compounded that error by arming Fatah and provoking a civil war. It backfired and left Hamas even stronger.

If you are going to disparage liberals, we're not above being disparaged, please do it accurately.

That is all.

Anonymous said...

"my ex-muslim friend who converted to Christianity says that exact thing: love, love, love....you can't make a difference without it and I know she'll relate to you better with it than without."


How does one counter that with Islamic...HATE, HATE, HATE?

Bullshit...they believe it in their heart of hearts...as mandated by their murderous maniac that HATE...is their duty.


I pity her...and Beamish...you have my sympathy and pity.

She obviously has some serious identity issues. To be polite.

Anonymous said...

Z;

SOROS and his dirty GROUP ( KHATAMI, NIAC, Kian Tajbakhsh) are to maintain the Islamic regime by changing only his behavior.

In your BLOG, the HATE against Islamic GROUPS is rightly polarized, one of your blogger said that you should never believe them, and she talked about Taghiah.

She was right;

The Islamists behavior change is a taghiah, is a lie.

Your SOROS amplifies and supports the Islamists Taghiah.

An Islamist never changes, there is no moderate Islamist.

JUST for your readers;

they have to know that an Islamist is the one who wants to instal an Islamist Khalifat,

An Islamist wants the Supremacy over all other faiths.

An Islamist believe on SATAN and not on GOD and GOD's Prophets.

When your liberals support and promote the Behavior change of the Islamists, they betray you.

We don't want any BEHAVIOR CHANGE, we want them out of power for ever.

We want the people's freely elected representatives to govern periodically, and be changed by the elections.

We want the Religion separated from the political power.

SOROS is for Maintaining by all means the Islamic power on IRAN, Soros tries his card with GREEN MOVEMENT and Islamist reformists, if he do not succeed, Soros will support and whitewash Ahmadinejad.

SOROS supports already Ahmadinejad by opposing actively the MEK UN-LISTING.

For the Iranians, Khatami and Ahmadinejad are the same.

SAM

Anonymous said...

"The overgrown spoiled children of Islam require the same sort of medicine, though age adjusted, that little Johnny does."

Spoiled rotten, retro ignorant ADD addled miscreants that are intellectually incapable of understanding....civility.

In other words....most Muslims...will die. Or...do you actually think that America will capitulate to sharia, a flag over the WH and submit to Islam?

I don't have to give you the bottom line...Millions of Americans will revolt and initiate a civil war that will last 100 years or less...until islam is utterly destroyed.

Piss be upon it.

beamish said...

May I rant now?

Craig,

I haven't heard any liberals support Hamas.

WTF?

Now, I realize leftists / liberals just can't stand living unless they're proven to be the most imbecilic person in a room, but you're in overdrive.

There's a very well-known and well-connected liberal supporter of Hamas.

His vehement anti-Semitism and years of fighting the desegregation of public schools and full-throated defense of Jim Crow laws made him a darling of the political left, a star position he holds to this day.

During the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, he opposed serious military efforts to rescue them from the Iranian revolutionaries, single-handedly shutting down debate on the matter in favor of pointless diplomatic overtures.

He helped to monitor the fraudulent elections in the Gaza Strip, and leapt on the chance to certify them as "free" and "legitimate" as well as certifying Hamas as the winner.

He's since publicly endorsed Hamas leaders, throwing his considerable political clout into attempts to afford that terrorist group legitimacy.

He's lobbied two administrations, Bush's and Obama's, to remove Hamas from the State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations.

You may have heard of this left-wing darling / liberal superstar supporter of Hamas.

I'm talking about former President Jimmy Carter.

beamish said...

Spoiled rotten, retro ignorant ADD addled miscreants that are intellectually incapable of understanding....civility.

Okay, my irony meter's needle is buried.

Jen said...

OBVIOUSLY, I"m not suggesting that all NOW members are gay, that's ridiculous, but...........
what do you think?
----

I have no idea what to think about that.
I had no idea Tammy Bruce was gay.
I like that I don't know when people are gay...or aren't gay.

On the founding members of NOW: I didn't really study them either. My only study of feminism is of the true beginnings (during the French Revolution) to the suffragettes, to the current trend in "conservative" feminists.

Jen said...

In other words, I conveniently skipped all the crap that I found useless. :-)

Z said...

Craig, don't be silly. We all hear our leftwing media (but I repeat myself) glowing about the great humanitarians HAMAS leaders are..constantly...you had to have heard that.
Hamas endorsed Obama and Palesintian phone banks raised money for him, too...something leftwing blogs might not have heard of? Or want to be known?

By the way, Craig, I'm not sure you've been around long enough to know that SAM is mujahadeen and lived in Ashraf and now lives in France in exile from Iran. He's trying to fight the Mullahs in Iran but we have him and his group on a terror list for sins committed years ago......he is THERE, he knows, he's connected and he HATES Islamist extremists and he's a Muslim.
Bolton, Guiliani, Woolsey and Ridge have spoken out against their group being listed as a terror group and I've posted the videos here.
He knows from Soros, etc.



SAM: What does SOROS think he'll gain from Islam??


Jen, I know what you mean about liking not knowing someone's sexuality. She's terrific no matter who she likes :-)
I just wondered if those groups were really more promoting getting out of the closet than real feminist issues.

Z said...

Jen, just saw your last comment...very cute!
Of course, the woman's movement would say the lefty movement with Steinem and Friedan was THE most important movement; all they did was make women guilty for staying home and raising great kids and being homemakers...as if that was suddenly a bad choice.
And they I think of university courses they created which never served any woman much good. I think knowing something about the history of women is a good thing but the majoring in courses that give a woman no good information to make a living on was kind of scary.

Z said...

SAM, I've forgotten, what is Hillary Clinton's opinion on MEK and the Terror List??
I remember Condi Rice was against MEK.

Craig said...

His vehement anti-Semitism and years of fighting the desegregation of public schools and full-throated defense of Jim Crow laws

Freeper? Really?

the fraudulent elections

I can't wait to see the source for this.

He's since publicly endorsed Hamas leaders

He met with them and supports dialogue between Israel and Hamas, as do 64% of Israelis. He has never said he supports Hamas.

He's lobbied two administrations, Bush's and Obama's, to remove Hamas from the State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations.

False. I know for sure he never asked the Obama Admin. I can't find any evidence he lobbied Bush.

That anti-semite brokered the only lasting peace agreement Israel has with it's neighbors.

Craig said...

Craig, don't be silly. We all hear our leftwing media (but I repeat myself) glowing about the great humanitarians HAMAS leaders are

No. What I've heard is, Hamas DID provide for some basic needs to the Palestinians. Something Fatah wasn't able to do. It was good marketing and why they succeeded in 2006. Those reports were statements of fact. I think that you characterize them as glowing because of your bias.

It's what happened and that's what got reported.

By the way, Craig, I'm not sure you've been around long enough to know that SAM is mujahadeen

Yes, I'm aware.

He's trying to fight the Mullahs in Iran

I know. And before that it was fighting along side Saddam, slaughtering the Shia in S. Iraq and the Kurds in the North. "Take the Kurds under your tanks, and save your bullets for the Iranian Revolutionary Guards."-Maryam Rajavi

Before that they were taking American hostages at the U.S. Embassy, and overthrowing the Shah and murdering U.S. citizens in Tehran.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, huh.

Z said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16579676/3677250

Craig, make sure you watch the video above. And please make sure you see the amazing defense of Carter by MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell..
this is when I believe 14 of his Board members walked out because of his prejudice for Palestine against Israel.
O'Donnell is so angry that she accuses him of taking money from "IPEC" which Berman quickly corrects with "AIPAC" and denies taking money. He kept his cool after being accused of being on the take, which is pretty admirable.
My GOD, she had to really insult the guy because he'd DARE leave Carter's Board without talking to "the EX PRESIDENT, the man who you WORKED FOR? You didn't talk to him? tell him? " It's astonishing.

Ya, you were right there; the 'anti-semite' indeed...and he won a somewhat lasting peace because Israel lost a lot and it's not the Israelis who lob the first bombs when THEY've been screwed........

Z said...

Craig, we forgive, don't we....we forgave Senator Byrd for being a KKK Recruiter, we've forgiven Obama for hiring Van JOnes and lying that they didn't know what he was about even while Valerie Jarrett's on video saying "We've followed this wonderful guy for years and are so proud to have him with us!" :-)
I could go on and on......
I've fought this battle here for MEK much longer than you've been around and I"m not fighting it here anymore and neither must SAM, who I've known now for about 12 years and who's never veered from his recent information.
We can all learn something from his real news not the whitewash our liberal media's feeding us about the Middle East.

Sometimes the enemy of my enemy must be my friend.

beamish said...

His vehement anti-Semitism and years of fighting the desegregation of public schools and full-throated defense of Jim Crow laws

Freeper? Really?

I don't think Free Republic was around in Jimmy Carter's Dixiecrat days, as there was no internet then. He'd probably be put off by the average "Freeper's" conseervative Christian support for Israel and love of Reagan, though I'm sure he'd find at least some currency among the Ron Paul isolationists there. Carter, of course, is not one of the only three Dixiecrat politicians that became Republicans, remaining a Democrat like J. William Fulbright, Al Gore, Sr., and all the rest.

the fraudulent elections

I can't wait to see the source for this.

But not enough to Google it for yourself, I'm sure.

There was a 20 to 25% discrepancy between the results of exit polling and votes counted, a statistical improbability if not outright impossibility. A clear indication of rampant election fraud in the Gaza Strip. That election was so rigged that the sitting Fatah governing council members resigned en masse. Hamas' victory in that election was such a shock BECAUSE there was such marginal support for Hamas among Palestinians, then as now. Exit polls showed Fatah candidates clearly winning.

You're going to have to come up with evidence that there was a secret, organized conspiracy among 20 to 25% of Palestinian voters to lie to exit pollsters about who they had just voted for.

The elections were a fraud.

He's since publicly endorsed Hamas leaders ... He's lobbied two administrations, Bush's and Obama's, to remove Hamas from the State Department list of foreign terrorist organizations.

He met with them and supports dialogue between Israel and Hamas, as do 64% of Israelis. He has never said he supports Hamas ... I know for sure he never asked the Obama Admin. I can't find any evidence he lobbied Bush.

Your computer must be slower than the average leftist. Mine found plenty of evidence on Google in 0.33 seconds.

Carter to Obama: Remove Hamas From Terror List

[for example]

That anti-semite brokered the only lasting peace agreement Israel has with it's neighbors.

If you don't count, of course, Israel's neighbors using proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.) to continue attacks on Israel.

beamish said...

[FWIW, despite Craig's perennial stupidity on most other subjects,
I will grant that Craig skillfully summarized my own argument against legitimizing MEK psychopaths. I don't care to reopen that particularly sordid debate.]

Always On Watch said...

SAM,
Thanks for your response to my comment.

I have spoken with several Iranian Muslimas, and they have told me the same thing.

Except that each one said that Obama would be bring about the needed change in Iran. Hasn't happened, has it?

Always On Watch said...

Beamish,
I even offered to attend mosque with her.

You're a better person than I am.

My cousin, whose brother is a Marine, converted to Islam. Her name is no longer mentioned in the family.

Actually, she did more than convert to Islam (while in federal prison). Prior to her incarceration, she was laundering money for a terrorist organization here in the United States.

beamish said...

AOW,

It's going to be hard. I'll still be me, in that mosque with my sister. Maybe it'll take "peaceful" Muslims spitting on me to wake her up.

My last conversation with her turned to Israel and Palestinian suicide bombers. I did not find her responses encouraging.

:(

Z said...

Beamish, please don;t "I don't care to reopen that particularly sordid debate.]"
If anybody spits, let it remind you of your baptism through water and be glad in it :-)

AOW, your COUSIN did that? Is she still incarcerated? How can anyone hate America THAT MUCH? What happened to her? How old is she?

I couldn't go into a mosque for love or money.

Craig said...

There was a 20 to 25% discrepancy between the results of exit polling and votes counted

This is pathetic, even for you. From your link,

Palestinian Authority Deputy Prime Minister Nabil Shaath, a leader of Fatah, earlier cited unspecified exit poll results showing his party won between 40 percent and 46 percent of the vote and Hamas got 30 percent to 32 percent.

Wow. Leader of losing party cites phantom poll. Very convincing. Here's the report from the group of observers who were invited by the Palestinian Central Elections Commission (not Hamas). There were some problems, like those New Palestinian Panther thugs outside a polling station, but no wide spread fraud.

Your computer must be slower than the average leftist.

Yeah, Comcast sucks. I did see this before my original post. Again, this time from your Fox link,

Former President Jimmy Carter will urge the Obama administration to remove Hamas from the terrorist list,

Please, show me evidence he actually did.

FOX News has learned.

Not even the obligatory, "learned from a reliable source inside the WH."

Craig said...

I will grant that Craig skillfully summarized my own argument

I'm either a blind squirrel or a stopped watch. I will return the compliment for your reasoned responses re. religion in public schools (not your position on public education in general, though). I meant to comment on that thread but resisted because I would have been too tempted to devolve into a discussion on TOE.

Can't. Stop. Myself. Your contention that Cladistics have rendered Linnaean taxonomy absurd, is absurd. It's, more or less, a less cumbersome nomenclature. It doesn't point to a forest but a different shaped tree. I agree, all life didn't start with a single Prokaryote or Eukaryote but there is absolutely no evidence for separate and independent abiogenesis (which Toe doesn't even address, anyway). Why not just call them "Kinds" and admit you're dressing up Old Earth Creationism in fancy, sciency lingo.

We're all apes and we share a common ancestor, from way back when, with that olive on your pizza. Better yet, we are even more closely related to the mushroom. Get over it.

Sorry. I won't say another word on the subject, until it's the subject.

Craig said...

Z, I'll just say I'm skeptical of an organization that has imprisoned (taken hostage) and murdered Americans. I may applaud their goal but I find their means reprehensible. The more reading I do on MEK, the more cultish they appear. Are they still Marxists? Seriously.

Always On Watch said...

Z,
AOW, your COUSIN did that? Is she still incarcerated? How can anyone hate America THAT MUCH? What happened to her? How old is she?

She is still incarcerated, but should be released within the next year or so.

She was laundering money to fund her drug habit.

She turned 27 this year.

No amount of intervention could save her from her drug habit. Believe me, we all tried to help her: that help ranged from coddling to tough love. Nothing worked.

No number of facts about Islam could persuade here not to convert to Islam.

In fact, she was incorrigible from her early teen years.

My entire family is in knots over this situation with her. Her life held so much promise; that promise is all gone now.

Honestly, we all think that she's been suffering from mental illness from way, way back -- even before the drugs took hold.

Z said...

Craig, maybe SAM's been consistently lying to me the last 12 years or so; never veering from exactly what he's talked about all these years. I don't think so.
We protected the 3000-strong group in Ashraf until we stupidly handed it over to the IRaqis who messed with them again.
And, yes, he's had explanations for those accusations of terrorism.......some of them he says are untrue.
Look, if we believe him, we are in bed with the mullahs (trust me, that's a real stretch for me to believe. too) and so any group which tries to oust them is going to be maligned by our gov't.
Ya, I sound like a nut, but I've read far too much and trust some of his supporters now more than you do.
Odd you wrote that information about MEK as if I've never heard of them...I've been studying them for about 10 years now. ...what gave you any impression I hadn't?

I'm done on the subject, so never mind.


AOW, now I remember a bit of that story; I'm so sorry about your cousin. I can only imagine how much it hurts to have a family member with promise have such awful problems and I'll be looking forward to getting good news that things are going better once prison's behind her. We can only hope and pray. xx

beamish said...

Z,

If anybody spits, let it remind you of your baptism through water and be glad in it :-)

I hope not. I'm a dunker, not a sprinkler LOL.

I couldn't go into a mosque for love or money.

It couldn't be THAT much different from a mental hospital, could it? ;)

AOW,

Apart from the prison time, your cousin's path to Islam and my sister's path to Islam seem similar.

Craig,

Are you mushroom on your mother's side, or your father's side?

Always On Watch said...

Z,
I am glad that my aunt didn't leave to see her great-granddaughter's conversion to Islam.

Craig said...

Are you mushroom on your mother's side, or your father's side?

Mom was half Morel, half Shiitake. Dad gave her endless grief for the latter but he was 100% Portobello. So, you know, he should talk.

beamish said...

Craig,

I guess the spore doesn't fall far from the cap.

Anonymous said...

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