Saturday, October 1, 2011

Holder lied, people died...........

Gunrunner: Cash For Cartels

 Posted 09/27/2011 06:42 PM ET


Scandal: New documents reveal the Department of Justice lied to Congress and show how U.S. officials bought guns with tax dollars and then made sure no one stopped their transfer to Mexican drug cartels.
The funneling of thousands of American guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels in the operation known as Fast and Furious was not a botched sting operation or the result of bureaucratic incompetence. It was not designed to interdict gun trafficking, but to facilitate it.
We now know that it involved not just the use of straw buyers, but also agents of the federal government purchasing weapons with taxpayer money, ordering the licensed dealers to conduct the sales off the books, then calling off surveillance of the gun traffickers and refusing to interdict the transfer of the weapon or arrest the people involved.
According to documents obtained by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), agent John Dodson was ordered to buy semiautomatic Draco pistols and was provided a letter by ATF group supervisor David Voth authorizing FFLs (federal firearms licensees) to sell Dodson the guns without filling out the required form.
A copy of the letter obtained by David Codrea of the Gun Rights Examiner tells dealers to "accept this letter in lieu of completing an ATF Form 4473 for the purchase of four (4) CAI, Model Draco, 7.62X39 mm pistols, by Special Agent John Dodson" to be used "in the furtherance of the performance of his official duties."
Scribbled on the letter is this note: "Picked up guns 6/10/10. Paid cash."
According to Fox News, Dodson then sold the guns to known illegal buyers who took them to a stash house. Voth disapproved Dodson's request for 24-hour surveillance and ordered the surveillance team to return to the office.
Dodson stayed behind, against orders. A week later, when a vehicle showed up to transfer the weapons to their ultimate destination, he called for an interdiction team to move in, seize the weapons and arrest the traffickers. Voth refused, and the guns disappeared without surveillance.
Again, Fast and Furious was no botched sting operation. The ATF simply didn't "lose track" of thousands of weapons. We believe this was a planned and premeditated attempt to further the administration's gun-control agenda and its claim that violence in Mexico was our fault.
Voth was "jovial, if not giddy, but just delighted about" such guns showing up at crime scenes in Mexico, according to Dobson's testimony before Rep. Darrel Issa's House Oversight Committee.
"Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals — this was the plan," Dodson testified to the panel. "It was so mandated."
Another ATF agent, Olindo James Casa, said that "on several occasions I personally requested to interdict or seize firearms, but I was always ordered to stand down and not to seize the firearms."
Fast and Furious let members of the Sinaloa Cartel buy in excess of 1,900 weapons over a one-year period starting in October 2009, according to a document dated last January. What information we have comes from ATF documents and agent testimony. The Justice Department has stonewalled Congress on this issue.
Guns linked to Fast and Furious were found at the scene where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010 at the hands of an illegal immigrant working for the Sinaloa Cartel just 10 miles from the Mexican border near Nogales, Ariz.
Asked by Fox News' Greta Van Susteren about ATF's insistence that this was just a botched sting, Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley responded: "It's a lie — it's a lie — and just to make things clear for your listeners: The ATF ordered this ATF agent to purchase these guns and in turn sell them, and supposedly track them.
"But he was a lone wolf in the operation — they wouldn't give him any help for 24-hour surveillance.
"There's something sinister going on. They're doing everything they can to avoid the issue; they want to stonewall us and string us along," Grassley said of the Justice Department's statements and lack of promised cooperation.
Attorney General Eric Holder's "I know nothing" imitation of TV's Sgt. Schultz long ago evaporated with the discovery of a speech he gave to local authorities in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, giving credit for Gunrunner to himself and the Obama administration.
Holder told the audience: "Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion."
A two-year-old C-SPAN video shows Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, who would resign nine months later after less than a year's service, telling reporters at a Justice Department briefing of major policy initiatives to fight the Mexican drug cartels.
"The president has directed us to take action to fight these cartels," Ogden began, "and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the administration's comprehensive plan."
Ogden said the administration's plan, at the president's direction, included the ATF's "increasing its efforts by adding 37 new employees in three new offices, using $10 million in Recovery Act funds and redeploying 100 personnel to the Southwest border in the next 45 days to fortify its Project Gunrunner," of which Operation Fast and Furious would be a part.
The mainstream media have shown little interest in this matter, salivating instead over the recent execution of cop killer Troy Davis while ignoring the government-run operation that killed agent Brian Terry.
Fast and Furious should spark our pursuit of the truth, even if the trail leads to the Oval Office.


What do YOU think of this? Will the truth ever come out?  Why aren't sworn testimonies all over the media? (Ya, imagine ME asking THAT?)
z

60 comments:

Always On Watch said...

The truth WILL come out but not much of it until after November 2012.

Z said...

AOW: then I blame the Republicans. There's solid, irrefutable testimony which nails the Holder group; WHERE is it and WHY isn't it everywhere, as it would have been had this been Bush's bunch?

Holder didn't know, but there's his speech in Mexico; the guns were bought and the honest ATF guys couldn't do surveillance as one does when one wants to keep check on a plan? Terry was KILLED with guns WE provided?
Now Holder stonewalls and we learn nothing? Shouldn't it be ILLEGAL not to get information the hearings request?

Is our media THIS stinkin' biased or are they too stupid to cover it? Isn't this a sexy enough story?

Fast and Furious
Solyndra
the other company whose name I can't recall right now "light..."?
Union support for votes...
etc etc....

Ah, well...just some Obama offenses any other president would be in jail for.......but Holder can give no answers and EVERYBODY'S SMILING.
except our country

beamish said...

Where's the independent counsel / prosecutor on this?

Will Holder appoint one? LOL

Z said...

Beamish, that is what we need......

Scotty said...

For what it's worth, here's a piece from CBS.

HERE.

Chuck said...

Z, AOW: then I blame the Republicans.

Dead on. The fact that it is not getting out is nobody's fault but the GOP. Have open, public, and aggressive hearings. Issue subpoenas and back them up with legal action. Run commercials. Do anything except sit around whining about the media.

They're unfair. They're biased. They're far left. The GOP needs to get over it and use their words.

Mark said...

I would like to post this story on Facebook, but I can't find it. Do you have a link?

Mark said...

This doesn't surprise me. We all know Obama and his gang of criminals will stop at nothing to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Brooke said...

This will be buried. If there were a shred of honesty in the media or the administration, Holder and all his ass-men would be in jail already.

I know this is a dead horse, but IMAGINE if this had occurred under Bush, or any other Republican president...

Silverfiddle said...

What Beamish said...

Where is the special prosecutor?

Z: You are dead on. Why aren't the republicans on tv every day demanding Holder's head? Demanding that the truth come out? Demanding people be prosecuted?

This would be more than enough to destroy a Republican president.

Z said...

Mark, I'd LOVE you to use this on Facebook but I was sent the entire article by a friend...
it's in Investors.com...but I can't find it there. good luck!

Brooke said "I know this is a dead horse, but IMAGINE if this had occurred under Bush, or any other Republican president..."

It's only a dead horse phrase because it's so true and we see things every day which fit it, don't we.

Chuck, I just don't get it. The GOPers seem to be rather HIDING behind HEARINGS than doing anything."OH, we're having HEARINGS!"...BIG FREAKIN' DEAL.

WHat happened with the Peter King HEARINGS about dangerous islam? Hear anything after that?

Then, when we ask, we hear that "things are still progressing..." REALLY? WHERE?

It's maddening...and we're going to lose a country in this constant coverup.

Hannity might do a bit but then seems to pull back; who's threatening FOX?
I'm convinced a lot of our stories, especially those where Americans are ridiculously giving in to Muslims on situations we'd NEVER accept from a Siekh or Buddhist because SOMEONE'S THREATENING them or their families..convinced.

Speedy G said...

Apparently the Tea Party is preventing establishment Republicans from raising this as a political issue, right Beamish?

Don't tell me, beamish... Ron Paul told them NOT to say anything...

Ticker said...

Where is the GOP?
The damn cowards are too busy worrying about gays in the military, running for office, pandering to the religious far right, running for office, posturing, running for office, adnauseum.

If they pushed the agenda as the Democrats dang sure would have it a Republican had been in office.
Hey anyone remember, Iran contra affair and all the stink over that which amounted to nothing?
If the GOP were not so busy sitting on their ass trying to figure out ways to get Obama defeated in 2012 they could get something done.
They could save all the handwringing by pushing the agenda because it runs all the way to the WH.
When the truth came out and it would if they pushed as hard on this as they have on keeping gays out of the military etc they wouldn't have to worry about Obama in 2012, Obamacare, cutting spending or crap and tax. He'd be toast if not impeached.

What a bunch of weenies we have in the GOP!

Trestin said...

The corruption just keeps growing, yet people do not seem to care.

-FJ said...

That's okay, Ticker. The GOP has plenty of young men willing to carry their water for them in 2012.

Z said...

Trestin, this is freaky.
I have to leave the house but wanted to check quickly to see what people are saying here about this unreal corruption and I thought "Most people just don't care" and then read your comment! Backatya.

How Holder can deny knowing when the proof is he DID know and how he can keep stonewalling and get away with it is amazing; is there no law to force DOJ to produce information? Are those who testified ignored?

Pris said...

To be fair folks, Darryl Issa, and Senator Grassley have been on top of this. Issa has held hearings on it. Where do you think the testimony came out?

Issa and Grassley both were interviewed on Fox about this. Right now the Solyndra scandal is center stage, but more facts on Fast and Furious are dribbling out.

The problem is the state run media. They avoid these things like the plague, and aren't doing their jobs. They're either afraid, or so in the tank for Obama, they ought to find another line of work!

I do agree that Congress has to rein in this administration. No more cutting deals, take on the czars, and take on the corruption and back door deals of this administration.

Republicans and Democrats in Congress have a responsibility to maintain equal power with the Executive branch.

They have to take back the power that the Dems gave over to the administration during the last Congress or they will be totally irrelevant.

What I don't understand, is why the Republican candidates don't use their opportunity during the debates to point out this corruption by the administration.

Take on Obama, and stop sniping at each other.

Z said...

Hi, Pris, I thought some of us had mentioned the hearings....which make it even more sad that we're not hearing more from them.
As I said, Peter King had hearings on Islam, too, what happened to those?

Fast and Furious? WHO hears about it yet? It would be on TV for BUsh.
That's the main point.

BB-Idaho said...

According to Michelle Malkin
...
"First, some background. Like so many border programs run amok, Project Gunrunner was the spawn of Beltway bipartisanship. It was established in 2005 as a pilot project under the Bush administration and run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The intended goal of the program’s sting operations: stop illicit firearms trafficking along the Southwest border through close surveillance of undercover gun purchases and coordinated intervention with Mexico. The deadly result: federally sanctioned gunwalking of high-powered weapons from U.S. officials right into the hands of drug cartel killers.

By 2008, Project Gunrunner’s bureaucratic fiefdom had expanded rapidly along the U.S.-Mexico border and into the nine U.S. consulates in Mexico. The office raked in $2 million more through the little-scrutinized Merida Initiative, which Hispanic vote-pandering Republicans rammed through in a war supplemental bill."
...a 7 year old 'secret project'
with blame to go around.

Leticia said...

The media will never disclose this because it would mar their messiah's reputation.

But it will eventually come out but not soon enough.

It's disgusting and it will one day, bit all of us in the you-know-what.

Always On Watch said...

Z,
AOW: then I blame the Republicans.

Agreed.

Why is the GOP so afraid of holding anyone in the Obama administration accountable? Why this immunity?

Impertinent said...

"What I don't understand, is why the Republican candidates don't use their opportunity during the debates to point out this corruption by the administration."

In an ideal world they would Prisc. In a world where the POTUS was an establishment white guy...they would. Yet the same PC fears that handicapped McPains run in 2008 are still embedded in the psyches of the current crop of candidates. Although I would have thought that even Herman Cain would get a pass due to his "authenticity"...he has not.

He's being labeled a "racist" for having the temerity, the guts to tel the truth that AA's are brainwashed. Who would have thought? But...the loonies in the media consider his statement as too "strong".

Yet Cain is right...they do not think for themselves.

Impertinent said...

"Why this immunity?"

Oh come on AOW...you know why. The disease, the crippling disease of PC, will stifle and bury the truth. We're back in 1965.

Impertinent said...

Here are several points that Bachman, Cain, Perry, Romney and the rest of the cowards will never speak of, hypocrites that they are.



The inside story of how the Obama DOJ spiked the voter intimidation lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party—and the Panthers’ little-known public appearance with Obama.


How the Obama administration changed DOJ hiring policy to ensure radical leftists would dominate the Civil Rights Division.


The Obama DOJ’s bizarre agenda, from insisting on kids’ rights to attend school dressed as transvestites, to litigating for teachers’ rights to take paid vacations to Mecca.



How the DOJ has repeatedly sided with political bosses who flagrantly disenfranchise entire communities of white voters.



Why the DOJ’s fixation on racial grievance threatens the integrity of the 2012 elections.

Ticker said...

"What I don't understand, is why the Republican candidates don't use their opportunity during the debates to point out this corruption by the administration."

Cain has, He called Obama a liar on his jobs plan. I blogged it last week.

In his speech on Saturday he showed a man not afraid of telling it like it is. He had his "Joe Wilson" (its a lie) moment both in his speech and in an interview given to the Ticket.


When asked about Obama's so called Economic Plan , Cain had this to say:“Can I be blunt? That’s a lie,”

He is the only one with guts enough to say such. You can bet he will have more to say as time goes on.
Perry, Romney and Bachman can't do anything but pee up a rope and snip at each other.

Impertinent said...

"Perry, Romney and Bachman can't do anything but pee up a rope and snip at each other."

I don't blame them at all. Look..the stage has been set...the deck stacked for any white candidate to criticize a black candidate. In office or out.

Look at the lies, hate and crap Waters, the CBC, the SCLC, Jordan, Sharpton get away with?

You know they're lying POS racist scumbags...but if you're pale skinned...you can't say it.

I say Go Cain...call these racist frauds out. What do you have to lose except your "Unka Tom / Oreo" labels?

Z said...

BB.....actually, that's only half right, of course.
Please read the parts about how the Holder/Obama bunch didn't back the ATF guys up. They'd get the guns in the hands of the bad guys and need to do surveillance, which had been going on or the agents wouldn't have been so shocked when they were told "go home"..

Blame only goes to the guys who screwed it up, doesn't it. The plan wasn't a bad one; this White House wasn't doing this Fast and FUrious for the reasons it was instituted; this was to show that our gun laws are responsible for problems.
That's reprehensible.

And, as I said in my title "Holder lied, people died....."

Z said...

Tick and Imp; Cain isn't someone I think who has the 'extra mile' needed for this race, but he sure is impressing me with being unafraid of the truth.
Kind of a less blustery/less egotistical Trump.

Pris said...

BB, from what I remember from agents' testimony always before, they interdicted, and retrieved the guns.

So while this was a risky project, this time, they were told to "let them go".

Ticker said...

Imp for one thing Bachmann, Perry and Romney can't find anything to critize Cain for. They tried it on the Fed Reserve thing and he set them straight on that.

So far he is the only one with a common sense plan. Cain gives no one reason to fear his color well except Obama and the Democrats.

He was the first to put his plan in front of the people and it got Gingrich's attention and he put his out on Thursday this week.

Romney has had on his website 59 points that takes 84 pages of print to read and it's small print. For someone who advocates a smaller government he dang sure can't even put forth a plan that is small. He calls for new agecies to take EPA's place and I said WHAT? So much for a small government candidate.

Ron Paul has had his out since four years ago and it hasn't changed much but it is short and to the point with only 11 points and it takes less than two pages with comments to read.

Bachman hasn't even got one that is detailed, just some words that sound good .
I've been blogging on each candidates stance and will continue this next week with more.

Impertinent said...

Ticker...

"Imp for one thing Bachmann, Perry and Romney can't find anything to critize Cain for."

This is an historic opportunity for America's blacks....twice now since 2008...to vote for an AUTHENTIC black American in Herman Cain. I want to see just how smart they are with an opportunity like this...or to see just how enslaved they are to the Dems plantation, slave mentality politics that they've been chained to since 1965 and LBJ.

How they can rationalize or justify voting for Comrade O...who's very existence...his credentials of birth are in question to this day.

Herman Cain...is as American as fried chicken, grits, pork chops, jazz and real American soul.

He's a PIZZA KING for Chriss sakes...and Obama...a fraud....community organizer...( eat that dummies ) and a GD commie.

Impertinent said...

Damn Herman....where were you in 2008?

Why did you allow this POS...this fraud...this yellow fellow....to be elected?

If Herman had run in 2008.....we'd have an authentic Black American as POTUS. Not a Chicago thug who's very existence as an American, who's' very birth on America soil is doubted by way too many of us.

His GD "father" was a "Kenyan" for gods sake. Even before Kenya was...Kenya. His father was a whoring dirt bag...and mom was a bolshevik whore too.

Impertinent said...

In a real and Just world....Obama...Holder and every POS ATF liar would be in jail.

Why not? Cause Holder...Obama are determined to kill 2nd amendment rights any way they can...even if they kill innocent Americans and show that it was by....Mexicans.

Read..

http://tinyurl.com/5v6ycb5

Impertinent said...

" Three years ago, a Democratic House sued to get Karl Rove and Harriet Miers to testify over the termination of US Attorneys, who are political appointments that serve at the pleasure of the President, and rejected the notion that executive privilege applied to such executive-branch personnel decisions. Now we have an ATF operation that armed drug cartels and resulted in hundreds of murders from guns supplied by the US government, including the murder of a Border Patrol agent here in the US — and Democrats think that should be covered by executive privilege.

Something stinks at the White House, and the lawyers are circling the wagons to keep Congress from finding it."


How many think Holder and Obama should be jailed? If it was Bush...they would.

Here in a nutshell...is the collapse of America.

beamish said...

Apparently the Tea Party is preventing establishment Republicans from raising this as a political issue, right Beamish?

I wouldn't presume to credit the Tea Party "movement" with that much relevance. Having never encountered a conservative before, they're still trying to sell each other on the idea that Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, and Herman Cain is one.

Don't tell me, beamish... Ron Paul told them NOT to say anything...

Ron Paul's too busy bitching about members of his al-Qaeda cell getting killed in Yemen.

-FJ said...

...or about foreign entanglements and Constitutional fidelity. It's hard to tell, sometimes.

Speedy G said...

Be proud, Beamish. The DNC talking circuit heads, Chris Mathews, et al, were all touting your presidential fave, Mitt Romney, on the Sunday circuit. We'll ALL get O'BromneyCare two years sooner than the Democrats promised (2014).

Speedy G said...

Can Sarah Palin still ride in and save the Republicans from committing electoral Hara-Kiri? We'll soon see.

beamish said...

Be proud, Beamish. The DNC talking circuit heads, Chris Mathews, et al, were all touting your presidential fave, Mitt Romney, on the Sunday circuit. We'll ALL get O'BromneyCare two years sooner than the Democrats promised (2014).

See! All of Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul's hard work on the "Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009" is finally paying off.

-FJ said...

What was the vote on THAT amendment again, Beamish? What, it passed the REPUBLICAN HOUSE with NO Republicans voting NAY?

Where were ALL the "Beamish conservatives"??? Don't tell me... THEY went AWOL AGAIN! Or they moved to the Beamish IMAGINation...

beamish said...

What was the vote on THAT amendment again, Beamish? What, it passed the REPUBLICAN HOUSE with NO Republicans voting NAY?

No, it passed a Democrat-controlled House (2009) by everyone Democrat and Republican voting to "suspend the rules" and give Harry Reid's Senate a blank check to write the Obomneycare law on.

I can understand why someone as socialist and unfamiliar with the Constitution as Michelle Bachmann would give bipartisan consent to letting the Senate create a new tax measure, but usually Ron Paul abstains or votes "NO" on such things.

And so, it came back from the Senate as Obamacare, and all of a sudden Bachmann's a "leader" against it (cough cough)

MK said...

Typical media bias isn't it, if there's mexicans caught for illegal entry and up for deportation, all those sniveling sycophants will be running to cover it.

However if a couple of hundred mexicans get shot and killed thanks to obama & co's bungling and/or dirty tactics, no one cares, much of the media establishment is intently studying their navels avoiding this.

Really shameful, makes one glad these cretins are losing ratings and money.

Z said...

Beamish, I think you need to revisit those days and what the Republicans were doing.

MK...absolutely shameful and I think the money they lose is quickly replenished by Soros-types who are funding the far leftwing.
Look at the Wall St protesters now; someone's funding them. Unions are going to be joining, too, and I'm eager for union members who hate their union to get out there, too, and march THEIR TRUTH.

Speedy G said...

Beamish, I think you need to revisit those days and what the Republicans were doing.

Beamish knows EXACTLY what they were doing (voting w/the Democrats). He just needs to scapegoat Bachmann for the actions of the ENTIRE RNC. The Beamish ImagiNATION requires a scapegoat-traitor to be sacrificed on his petty altar to the "conservative" cause.

Speedy G said...

Meanwhile, beamish gives Rick "Rubber Stamp Medicare Entitlements" Santorum a pass on all the budget budget busting porkbarrel spending of the Bush years... including the Bridge to Nowhere.

"No, it's the Tea Party that are communists..."

Pathetic.

beamish said...

How's that Teabagger quest for a Republican Presidential nominee "more conservative" than John McCain coming along, Speedy G?

beamish said...

Beamish knows EXACTLY what they were doing (voting w/the Democrats). He just needs to scapegoat Bachmann for the actions of the ENTIRE RNC.

No, I'm merely pointing out that the Teabagger movement is full of shit.

beamish said...

(and KKK-wing Democrats, but you know that already)

Speedy G said...

Beamish to Tea Party...

"Shutup and vote for Mitt Romney. It's HIS TURN, dammit!"

Tea Party to Beamish...

"Bite me!"

beamish said...

Beamish to Tea Party...

"Shutup and vote for Mitt Romney. It's HIS TURN, dammit!"

Tea Party to Beamish...

"Bite me!"


Correction:

Beamish to Tea Party: "Why don't you Hillary Clinton groupies take the fight to Mitt Romney?"

Tea Party to Beamish: "B-but Rick Perry has a camp named Niggerhead!"

beamish said...

Beamish to Tea Party: "Any luck figuring out what a conservative is?"

Tea Party to Beamish: "Christine O'Donnell is so not a witch!"

beamish said...

Beamish to Tea Party: "I can't help but notice you glittery vamps seem a little soft on Mitt Romney, the first Governor to approve gay marriage."

Tea Party to Beamish: "You homophobe! We're so not gonna invite you to CPAC"

beamish said...

Beamish to Tea Party: "We need to eliminate all these debt-generating entitlements like Social Security and Medicare that are destroying the American economy."

Tea Party to Beamish: "You heartless hater!"

beamish said...

Beamish to Tea Party: "Ron Paul? Donald Trump? Michelle Bachmann? Herman Cain? Rick Perry? Really?"

Tea Party to Beamish: "Well, Hillary won't run..."

beamish said...

and the final dust-up...

Beamish to Tea Party: "So, you gonna show us 'RINO' McCain supporters how to pick a candidate yet?"

Tea Party to Beamish: "Sarah Palin. Wait, what?"

Speedy G said...

Conclusion...

Beamish to Tea Party... "It's Mitt's TURN, damnit!"

beamish said...

Conclusion...

Beamish to Tea Party... "It's Mitt's TURN, damnit!"


You leftists really suck at reading comprehension.

If Teabaggers wanted Mitt Romney out of the race as much as I do, they'd find someone to knock him out of the race. Having little to no contact with actual conservatives in America, Teabaggers aren't going to find that guy.

But, Sarah Palin REALLY wanted to run with Romney last time, huh?

Speedy G said...

Tell you what, beamish, you find a dyed in the wool conservative actually IN the race, and I'll endorse him. But so far, the only candidate that you seem willing to back is Mitt Romney.

Speedy G said...

Maybe THAT way, we both won't be chewing on protest votes in 2012 like we were in 2000.

-FJ said...

Where were you in '96? Didn't you learn your lesson about nominating milquetoast Senators to higher office?