How's about that town that's making gun ownership mandatory, by the way...........what do you think about that? It's just "symbolic," apparently, since that Georgia town hasn't had a homicide in five years and only has one cop! But...how about that symbolism?
Z
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Gun ownership should be mandatory. If you cannot defend yourself, you are placing a burden on other taxpayers because of increased reliance on the police.
So, at the least, those who do not own guns should be taxed at a higher rate.
The police resond to crimes. Only the individualhas a chance of preventing a crime.
"symbolic"
Yes, of the absurdity going on elsewhere, which will adversely impact law abiding citizens while doing nothing, whatsoever, to stem the tide of criminal intent and their (criminal) aquisition of whatever it takes to complete their destructive objectives. Obviously, lawbreakers (criminals), have no compunction about breaking the law; law abiding citizens do. So all of this left-wing "gun grabbing" hysteria will do is enable the former while enfeebling the latter!
Z - There's no doubt that the awareness about gun ownership and gun control has increased and is coming out in the open.
It's kind of amusing - but not really - that a law would require mandatory gun ownership.
I would be the first one to go to jail if a law like that were passed here.
CASE-IN-POINT TO MY COMMENT ABOVE:
DENVER (AP) "Evan Spencer Ebel ran up a long list of felony convictions before turning 21, joined a white supremacist gang behind bars, assaulted one prison guard and wrote that he fantasized about killing others.
Along the way, he benefited from a series of errors in the criminal justice system before he became a suspect in the slaying of Colorado's prisons chief and a pizza deliveryman.
He got out of prison four years early because of a clerical error in a rural courthouse. He slipped his ankle bracelet and violated the terms of his parole last month, but authorities didn't put out a warrant for his arrest until after the killings of pizza deliveryman Nathan Leon and corrections chief Tom Clements."
Get the full story:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/03/colorado-parolee-ebel-slipped-monitoring-bracelet-5-days-before-prison-chief/
While l see ideological merit to requiring citizens maintain the tools and wherewithall to defend their lives and their property........I'm very cautious against any law that mandates ownership of any tangible item.
It seems to make sense on the surface....but it broadens the scope of government influence.
CI; I think if we're upset about any mayor demanding we can't buy a 36 oz Coke, we should also be wary of a city which forces inhabitants to buy a gun.
"Symbolic" is the key word; it sure got them notice and, also, nobody gets punished for NOT owning one.
The town is so small the police chief works 40 hours and then they get police help from two very small cities nearby!
Sue...I don't have one, either. It's important that this discussion comes up because, as loud as the leftwingers are screaming that we need to get rid of guns, there are a whole LOT of people waking up to how they just might want one at home.
As Rand Paul asks "I dare the president to show us how his new rules could have saved those children at Sandy Hook". no way.
JB...yes, there certainly are people out there we do need protection from!!
Conson Fire...what's the expression? When you need help in seconds, the police can be there in minutes?
Curt...you mean that?
When you go to North Georgia, you are going to a special place. The town of Nelson is in the Georgia marble mining country, and the countryside is becoming mountainous as you approach the lower end of the Appalachian mountains.
The town was named after a man who was sometimes a gun maker, and I wouldn't be surprised if that were part of the townsfolk's thinking.
The area is becoming more and more popular as a second home location for Atlantans seeking to escape to the country. The fall season is beautiful, and springtime is breath-taking with the wild dogwoods and flowering trees in bloom.
With all the gun stores in Atlanta running short on their product, maybe I can take a short drive to the North Georgia mountains and get one, there.
Yes, indeed. I may have just talked myself into a little outing.
The "symbolic" mediates the space between the "imaginary" and the "real". To move and/or translate from one "space" (real/imaginary) to "another" (real/imaginary) REQUIRES a journey through " the symbolic realm".
- Jacques Lacan
Bob, I tried to comment, filled all the info out, got the prompt for my wordpress password, filled it in, and it won't publish.
That is so irritating...and I'm so sorry I can't comment at your place suddenly.
I will say here that your post is one people should see. Because we're wasting an AWFUL LOT OF MONEY on green stuff that isn't warranted and isn't working. ANother Obama electric car company's going bust; costing US about $200 million. Sickening.
I'm sitting up here listening to a neighbor talk with a visiting relative ... he was just in Australia, where he says the minimum wage is $17.00 an hour!??
A plain cup of coffee is $5. He said everything is so expensive it makes you not want to go back.
This is something high min. wage fans just don't understand.
@CI
" against any law that mandates ownership of any tangible item."
Like Obamacare too?
Z - You are so right that Sandy Hook may not have been able to be avoided.
But I believe that there are some things that could be done and I think we should at least try.
Don't you agree?
By doing something we may be able to avoid another incident - one we may never know whether it could have happened - but we owe it to those children to at least try.
Sue, the problem is that nobody on the Right is saying "Do nothing" but the Left is painting it that way.
There is NOBODY who thinks we shouldn't have background checks but the laws are already in place. Let's follow them.
And let's tighten them if we have to.
What's offensive is those who keep saying the Right , or the NRA, want nothing to do with gun safety.
That's ridiculous. of course something has to be done, but SMART and, lately in America, not much SMART's being done.
Have you read the latest information on how little electric cars do for the environment? or that another electric car company is folding and the tax payers are in debt because the gov't had loaned money to it?
This all needs to be stopped..slow doooowwwwnnn...let's look at the Affordable Care Act and see all the little laws you don't know about it which were snuck in; let's tell the truth about our existing insurance. It will NOT BE THERE even if we do "like it"...
etc etc...
STOP. Don't pass 2000 page bills others haven't read.
STOP. Only make suggestions against guns that might save lives, stop the posturing.
STOP... just slow down. let's be smart.
@Sue:
"You are so right that Sandy Hook may not have been avoided"
Sue...unfortunately it cannot be avoided. There will be another somewhere. A Newtown happens once a month in cities like Chicago....in cities like Juarez too.
What will the knee jerk clowns that are politicizing these incidents do when it happens? How will they react again? By confiscating all weapons from people who've never committed a gun crime?
How about a fee and registration for the 1st Amendment? How many millions were murdered by Mao's speech? Or Hiltlers speeches...or Stalins?
@Z:
how little electric cars do for the environment..."
And the fact that cars like Tesla's cost about 100 grand? And they only produce around 425 a year. So who'd benefiting from that and the Fister Karma's?
Z,
I posted a Letter to Editor I wrote to our local newspaper. I'll let it speak for itself.
Read this fact:
"The city’s status as the murder capital of America became national news in 2012 (Chicago had a murder rate four times that of New York, and more than twice that of Los Angeles for the year).
The latest attacks on innocents walking the streets in the best neighborhoods of the city and on those riding the subway have further publicized Chicago’s crime problem – even internationally. Chicago is now linked with cities such as Johannesburg and Rio De Janeiro, which have grappled with extremely high murder tolls for years.
The great majority of Chicago’s murders occur in areas visitors to the city never see. Most murder victims are the same race as their murderer, and most of the murders occur in the South and West areas of the city. ( Blacks )
Chicago’s shooting rate is even more astonishing than the number killed: in 2012, approximately one in every 1,000 Chicagoans was shot — a rate 6 times higher than New York’s rate. In other words, New York has more accurate shooters than Chicago.
If Chicago’s shooters killed with the accuracy of the shooters in New York, the murder toll would have approached 800 in 2012, not just over 500. This weekend was typical — 23 Chicagoans shot, but only two (so far) dead from the shooting spree.
Now..as tragic as the Newton incident was...I tend to think that there's plenty of covert racism going on here by the LSM. Why? 20 White kids get killed and the country is upside down...800 black kids get shot / killed....and the country is totally quiet. Not a peep.
Report: States With Weak Gun Laws Suffer Higher Level Of Gun Violence:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-higher?ref=fpb
Report: States With Weak Gun Laws Suffer Higher Level Of Gun Violence
first of all it's a liberal website...so it's objectivity should be questioned and second it's a cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy
Z said...
Imp, this country doesn't seem to care about black kids murdering black kids. It's a horrible tragedy and they ignore it.
WHERE is the media? Why hasn't Obama used his bully pulpit to talk to all teens about gangs and killings and drugs? probably because there's still that photo of him smoking a reefer, but still...he could pull a Clinton and say he never inhaled..
okay, he apparently dealt drugs, too, but........
okay.........I can see why he hasn't :-)
Elbro...I read it wrong; thanks for the correction.
I should have known better :-)
LOT makes a good point when he writes, “…militia was synonymous with “the people. After all, who were the militia other than the people?” But then, a few lines later, he returned to our modern standard of confusion about where we are. He wrote, “If the government were to take away any of the rights of the people enumerated in the Bill of Rights, it would break an agreement between the people and their government…”
My first point is that our founding fathers saw no distinction between the people, and the government. We the people … ordain the government. We’ve come a long way since then, haven’t we? Many of our rights, as enumerated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights have already been taken away. If one understands that the Constitution was intended to protect us from government, then one cannot be happy that Congress has found clever ways to usurp our authority over them as enumerated in the Constitution.
As originally intended, federalism was a compact among the people, the states, and the central government. As the people had their representatives in the House, states had their representatives in the Senate. What has happened to the senate, then? Where is American federalism in the wake of the usurpation of the 9th, and 10th, Amendments, and implementation of the 17th Amendment? See how lawyers in Congress have transformed the commerce clause into the gift that keeps on giving them ever-increasing power over us. How did we get to the point where the Federal government can tax us into Obama Care, or spend our nation into national ruin?
Our founding fathers could never have imagined that this country would create a standing army … but it isn’t the military we have to be concerned about: it is the standing army of law enforcement people who think they can control us with drones, listening devices, and the disgrace of the Patriot Act, a corrupt attorney general, and an utterly putrid voting system that allows gangsters to steal elections from the people.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden lectures us about patriotism: it is that we must pay more in taxes to keep him fed and clothed and housed in the manner to which he has always been accustomed, and send the first family around the world at our expense.
If anyone thinks all is well in America, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
@Z
" but still...he could pull a Clinton and say he never inhaled..."
Or..he tried cocaine ( which he readily admits and was probably a dealer to the frats @ Columbia, etc )..and didn't snort...snnnnk.
No Z...Mathew, Schultz, Maddows, Fat Al, Jesse Jerkson, Jess Jr., Maxine Waters, Jordon, the NAACP, the CBC and on and on...do not give a rats ass about black on black crime. Shame on them...Shame because, "their people" ( thanks Eric the Red Holder ) deserve better.
It's an epidemic worse than drugs...but all they can think of is....take away the defenses from people who don't break the laws....Idiots and morons. Thank the demrat party for your condition Chicago and Detroit and Newark and Baltimore and Camden and Philadelphia and LA and Cleveland and Atlanta.
Law and Order...I'd be proud to publish this; may I?
Please let me know.
thanks.
Imp...Trust me, LA is no Detroit. Not the worst part of it.
And yes, Black America definitely deserves better than that. Maybe when their own "leaders" don't speak up for them except in ways that glorify the leaders, they feel so dismissed that life is cheaper for them, so they kill.
@Z
"Trust me, LA is no Detroit.."
I know that Z..I was referring to the gang stuff...East LA, Watts...you know.
Sam,
Thanks for the comment. Your point is well taken as far our rights are concerned. I would agree that our rights have been infringed upon to a great degree. The Supreme Court has ruled that the
2nd Amendment went from an individual right as intended, to a collective right and finally and rightfully, back to an individual right. Hopefully it stays there.
As for the 9th and 10th, government would prefer to ignore those. We need to remember that the states formed the federal government and not the other way around.
As for the 17th I agree. The Founders intended for the Senators to fill the role of ambassadors from the states to the federal government. That was the right role for them in that they were able to protect the interests of the states.
1913 was a particularly bad year with the 16th and 17th Amendments passing and the most insidious law of all the Federal Reserve Act.
Honestly, the last line of the letter was really a throwaway to kind of sum up the letter. Good point though.
Z,
I would be honored.
Imp...that's true, those things did happen/ and gangs are still around...somewhere.
I'm sitting up here in gorgeous blue skies, 70 degrees, spring flowers are blooming, evening traffic softly going by, the pool glistening...ocean 3 miles down Wilshire Blvd...and it's a gorgeous day. Maybe even in gang-ville :-)
Law and Order...THANK YOU! It's MY HONOR..it'll be up tomorrow!
@LawnOrder:
"1913 was a particularly bad year.."
I tend to think sometimes after listening to DiFi, Hillary, Waters, Collins, Murawski, etc.. and other imbeciles that claim to represent us that June 4, 1919, and August 18, 1920...were some pretty bad years too.
@Z:
Since you're braggin...74 here, slight breeze off the Atlantic ( the opposite coast LOL ) our leaves are all dropping ( like in Autumn ) and 5/10's of a mile from the ocean... :-)
All is good in paradise.
Agree with your post and comments.
These are sparks in the night that I'd love to see develop into Peaceful Bonfire.
It's hard to verbalize how stupid the gun control diatribe has gotten in the politic and media.
I feel lie I have to go into the public square and scream "1 + 1 is TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Seriously.
I don't support mandatory Anything.
Let people make their own decisions and live or die by them. This is the only thing that sanitizes the environment for those left alive. For the little while they will be. Right? We don't live forever. Why do we spend so much resource propping up dying trees ? It's insane. It's moronic. Reject failure. Celebrate Excellence.
We're going the exact wrong direction. Worldwide.
Clap, Clap...
Big Woop..
"Sharing a bit of budget pain, President Barack Obama will return 5 percent of his salary to the Treasury in a show of solidarity with federal workers smarting from government-wide spending cuts."
A paltry 20 Grand.
Guess Moochele will have to fly Commercial then? Or not buy one ugly outfit to offend us with?
What he should have done along with other Fed employees...is offer up that the cuts go towards opening up OUR HOUSE TO THE OWNERS OF IT.!!
IMP. Yea, instead he closes THE PEOPLE's HOUSE to the people.
Unreal. While the entire white house staff don't pay taxes and federal employees in general owe 3 BILLION in taxes.
Is there no limit to how much the libtards enjoy being abused. I'm thinking no.
@Kid:
Stop...you're making perfect sense again. Are you purposely trying to drive away our resident moonbats?
It was really had keeping profanity out of that last comment.
IMP, First off, I'm expressing an opinion.
Secondarily, if and of the libtards wake up in the middle of the night, having an epiphany of common sense, in particular from one of my comments rattling around in their diseased brains, and scream in excruciating pain form having their fantasy ripped form their butt installed grey matter, like a woman give natural child birth, I'd see that as a plus.
@Kid
"The president and first lady Michelle Obama reported almost $790,000 in adjusted gross income in 2011, the most recent year for which their tax returns have been made public.'
When you consider this...his "give back" is what...2%?
I hate math..besides it's Happy Hour here in paradise now that the progressive vampires are safely secured in their coffins.
IMP, I was told there would be no math....
In any case, yea, if we calculate against Reported income, it is a small number. We know that there is much income that is not reported so whaatdeeyhayhay - as my ancestors used to chant in monument valley during the night of the wolf....
Imagine the clown biden reports $200 as donations for a year. Unreal.
@Kid
"It was really had keeping profanity out of that last comment..."
I know the feeling...I'm more guilty of it than anybody else here. I admit it. Too many years in a cockpit...which is why they call it that. If I had crashed and burned..the Feds who recovered the CVR's and the the box tapes....nah...they wouldn't have blushed!
What else would they expect from an airman that was witnessing his final flight?
IMP Could any of these pathetic self-absorbed, money and sex focused jackals have been able to understand or care about any of that?
@Kid
"Imagine the clown biden reports $200 as donations for a year. Unreal."
Too bad the biggest dipshit VP since Spiro Agnew doesn't have to shell out 100K for each of his malapropisms. He'd have to take a bus to work for the rest of his stupid, vapid life.
IMP. Biden. Instead he spends 585 Thousand on a 2 night stay in Paris.
And the losers and morons wet their pants in appreciation and admiration.
That's where we're at.
@Kid
" Instead he spends 585 Thousand on a 2 night stay in Paris..."
I can see that in Paris. the hookers cost more than Bob Menedez's hookers in the DR. Can't wait to find out from the SS ( no...not the ones who ruled Paris for 4 years ) but our own...what their names were and how many of them.
What? Someone is upset? hey...they already admitted to it before..so why not now? That's where we are kids....our trust in our corrupt SS is lower than congressional "approval"...which is made up up 18% of the fed work force and their dependents.
IMP, Could biden even navigate a hooker encounter ? I'm thinking she'd have to be a take charge girl, get the money up front and demand a generous gratuity for the extra effort.
@Kid
" I'm thinking she'd have to be a take charge girl..."
Then tell him she was just kidding and he'd have to...well bend over like the rest of us.
I'm thinking he'd enjoy that Imp. They say the arrogant control freaks in life like to be the slaves in intimate situations.
I want some video.
I also want the osammi dim bulb video! 300 Americans paid for that with their lives and last tortuous moments!!!!
Seriously.
Gun ownership should be mandatory. If you cannot defend yourself, you are placing a burden on other taxpayers because of increased reliance on the police.
Who, by federal court ruling, are absolutely NOT legally obligated in any way whatsoever to respond to your call for help.
One of the most heinous expenditures of taxpayer money goes to paying police officers their salary.
3000 actually.
@kid
"3000 actually."
Huh?
@beamish
"Who, by federal court ruling, are absolutely NOT legally obligated in any way whatsoever to respond to your call for help."
Absolutely, positively ..SPOT ON. If everyone were allowed to have a cop attached to their hip....they might be "safe".
But what the idiots don't know..is that COPS have NO obligation to protect anyone. They're REACTIVE...not PROACTIVE....and just the way we like them.
Gun ownership should be mandatory. If you cannot defend yourself, you are placing a burden on other taxpayers because of increased reliance on the police.
Who, by federal court ruling, are absolutely NOT legally obligated in any way whatsoever to respond to your call for help.
One of the most heinous expenditures of taxpayer money goes to paying police officers their salary.
IMP 3000, 2973 actually on an immediate basis, murdered on 9-11-2001.
They or their family and friends since they are no longer with us, let alone ALL Americans who paid for with thie money, patriotism, and love for fellow Americans who suffered and were murdered that day, and deserve to see every scrap of evidence of osammi dim bulb's demise.
A statement indirectly given by some buttheads that osammi has been dispatched is unacceptable. That they gave him a righteous mulsim burial at sea is even more unacceptable.
@kid
"That they gave him a righteous mulsim burial at sea is even more unacceptable..."
I cannot imagine that any service member, knowing who that was...wouldn't offer to take a shit over his stinking body. He deserves respect? He deserves being fed to a corral of feral wild hogs and turned into bacon.
@beamish
Why are you stuttering?
@Kid
Did you see where they're going to re sift the debris from 911 once gain to try to identify about 1400 that couldn't be ID's the first time around?
Talk about that pain...for some closure.
Did y'all mention that Obama's giving 5% of his salary to the Treasury?
Funny, you and I are giving about 30%, right? :-)
Ya, BIG headline for Obama tonight....5%...Big freakin' deal.
And the media fawns....faints...claps.
Imp, you know, if GOD FORBID, a loved one of mine disappeared in 911, I don't know if it would help me to know part of the skin on his left arm was finally buried in a place I picked. It's so awful to lose that person that .. I just don't know.
what about you?
@Z:
"I just don't know.
what about you?"
Ya know Z....since I have all my family still in NY and Jersey....I know so many people that were connected to someone that day...that were lost in those towers. My sister in law lives in Jersey City...and half her friends worked there. And she had an office there on a 3 day a week schedule that she had to check in with.
I have several friends from school that live on Long Island...who had neighbors that worked there and were lost. Commack....Smithtown...all kinds of LIR train stops..
They've never recovered.
Me?
I cannot imagine. In my years as a pilot...I've lost 6 guys I flew with in civilian aviation in accidents...I've never forgotten them.
I think of them often.
Imp! I don't mean we wouldn't feel TERRIBLE and miss them SO MUCH.....not at all! Nothing NOTHING takes from that pain!!!!
What my question was about was if some of their remains never being found would make you miss them less or more...I mean, they're GONE, would it bother you not to have a grave to go to where part of a piece of flesh was finally buried?
Your answer looked like I was asking if I'd still care! That wasn't it at all !!
But, you mentioned how there's a new push to find body parts and that's what prompted my question.
Did you see where they're going to re sift the debris from 911 once gain to try to identify about 1400 that couldn't be ID's the first time around?
No, I didn't. Man, I can't imagine how you'd find anyone who were on the aircraft.. and many that were in the towers. What do you do? I know in situations such as WWI and WWII, you just bulldoze the bodies into mass graves and plant white crosses all over France.
@Z..
It's OK Z..I understood the question.
"I mean, they're GONE, would it bother you not to have a grave to go to where part of a piece of flesh was finally buried?"
Oh yes...Yes, yes..Yes. We need some closure. And traditionally it's that burial place...that grave we need to pay homage to and respect. To visit with and commiserate with our dead.
Like most of us when we lose a loved one...we have that tradition to hold on to forever. A place...a monument to revere for that person we were so close to in life.
We both have that Z...I know what you've gone through...and vise versa.
Yet..I can't really, truthfully imagine the suffering, the pain that the people who lost their lives and loved ones in 911 have had to bear since 1600 haven't yet been laid to rest. It has to be a nightmare in the extreme Z.
Words....I'm lost for them now...I remember the day all too well...I was in flight that morning.
@Kid
"What do you do?"
Science is what they do. They're going to sift through every particle of those last remains / remnants to try to get a DNA hit.
Phooking pain...and misery for those who haven't had any rest...those souls who perished and can't go home.
Z,
"I'm sitting up here listening to a neighbor talk with a visiting relative ... he was just in Australia, where he says the minimum wage is $17.00 an hour!??"
Do you recall what I had to say about that place, awhile back (it's archived). My buddy who, will never go back there again,
told me some real horror stories about the prices, etc there. He also said that Socialism was now replete there. I did a study awhile back and found that @ 1.66 their Personal Purchase Parity is the worst in , at least, all of the G-20 Nations! Apparently WE, who saved them from the Japanese, are not as favored as we once were.
OK,I say SCREW THAT PLACE!
But what the idiots don't know..is that COPS have NO obligation to protect anyone. They're REACTIVE...not PROACTIVE....and just the way we like them.
Meh. One of most notorious gangs of drug dealers and car thieves runs around here calling themselves the "St. Louis Police Department."
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